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Avengers Endgame: Emotional Deleted Scene Reveals What Happened To Gamora

Bye, Gamora.

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Avengers: Endgame's digital home release has finally arrived, and it's now available for purchase. The directors of the movie, the Russo brothers, are going to be on tour promoting the movie's new release, which is likely to deliver plenty of behind-the-scenes information. There are a ton of special features to dig through, and that includes the deleted scenes, one of which was recently revealed and focuses on the fate of Gamora.

There has been some discussion of scenes that were trimmed from the final cut of the movie featuring Thor and Valkyrie as well as a confusing moment in the Soul Stone for Tony Stark, but this is our first look at an actual clip of one. As an extended version of Tony's death, the scene itself isn't completely new--there's no real dialogue and no surprise additions to the story--but it does protract the moments immediately following Stark's snap to showcase how the other Avengers react. Or, well, how they don't react. Take a look.

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The most notable moment here is Gamora, who hilariously decides to just dip rather than following suit with all her strange new comrades and taking a knee. After all, she's the Gamora from Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, she doesn't know any of these people. Why should she care that some man in a metal suit bit the dust? This is also a relatively concrete answer for one of the ending's bigger question. What actually happened to Gamora? She just peaced out. Simple as that. And we can't really blame her.

Also of note in the scene is Stephen Strange, a man who is both a literal doctor and a literal wizard, making absolutely no move at all to rush to Stark's aid. Also, medical and mystical expertise aside, the Time Stone is definitely still on Tony's modified gauntlet--if the stones were gone, Cap wouldn't have had to go on his own little time travel adventure to put them back--and Strange is definitely a Time Stone expert. We just saw back in Avengers: Infinity War that the Time Stone can easily rewind one specific person's death (RIP Vision). But apparently, none of those things matter in lieu of watching in stony-faced silence and participating in a strangely toned group action with his teammates.

But it looks kind of cool and the music is in a key designed to really tug at our heartstrings, so maybe that's more important than maintaining any sense of narrative logic. After all, who can argue with a movie that sort-of-kind-of dethroned Avatar?

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It's interesting that Clint was the first one to take a knee, because out of the original Avengers, he probably liked Tony the least.

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Accordind to Avengers time theory, the actions of the past do not affect the future directly. Changing the past creates a different timeline. They couldn't go back to save Tony and they couldn't use the stones to save Natasha. Their deaths were fundamental for the Avengers victory. Undoing them would create parallel timelines with them alive for awhile and Thanos winning and destroying everything in the end.

Thanos did the snap that wiped out half life and past Thanos did invade Earth five years later. The people who died disappeared and came back five years later. The survivors remember everything. That means there are two versions of 2014 Thanos, one who continues his quest for the stones and one who travels to the future and dies. That makes no sense and is 100% a plot hole.

If Loki escaped, he didn't fake his death in the end of Dark World, he didn't replace Odin, Hella wasn't released and Asgard wasn't destroyed. Or there are two different timelines. Another plot hole.

If Cap returned when did he do so? Before or after the events of Agent Carter tv show? Did he return and Found Peggy dating/ being married to Souza or did he somehow undo all the good she did? Hard to fix but not 100% wrong if she still got the job done. He still didn't warn anyone about Hydra though.

Nebula shot her past self. If that doesn't create multiple timelines, I don't know what does. It's a total paradox anyway you see it.

And I'm sure there are other mistakes as well. If you really think about it, Endgame doesn't make much sense. There were ways they could avoid this mess.

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@michaeldark: The only one that breaks their defined rules is old man Cap. Each of the others are on a separate timeline that doesn't affect the one we've been watching. Loki is free to cause mischief on his timeline, though there is still Thor and all of the Asguardian's on there to stop him. The timeline that Thanos and Nebula came from will now know peace since they are no longer there, there is no paradox with Nebula since she was from a different branch in time.

I would say alpha/main timeline instead of "the one we've been watching" but seeing old man cap he would've come from a timeline higher in the hierarchy making the one we've been watching at least a beta. Alternative theory, old man cap is a skrull.

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@michaeldark: time travel makes no sense in any movie ever period. Sorry

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@joeyjojo1972: at least Back To The Future make 99% sense. while Endgame is just lazy writing.

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@joeyjojo1972: Twelve Monkeys. That's the only one I can think of that makes sense. The past is immutable if you go there. If you visit the past, there is no reality where you didn't. It was always a part of history.

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Why is nobody acknowledging the fact that there are 3 timelines now, not two? Yes Loki did a thing but there is also a timeline where Thanos and his entire army just travelled to the future and never returned. In that timeline, the snap never happened, Thanos never invaded.

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@glaciusts:I'd argue more:

1) Thanos and henchmen no longer exist. No snap. No invasion. All of the gem's still exist.

2) Loki is free and ready to cause mischief in the online series next year. Hydra believes Cap is one of them on this timeline, this timeline Cap has no clue about this. All of the gem's still exist.

The timeline we've been watching is actually a beta/secondary+ timeline, coming argument why it isn't the main/alpha timeline. You can't affect past events so the following are events that happened on each timeline since old man cap clearly lived out his days on this timeline with Peggy but based on the timeline rules could not actually go to the past in his timeline.

3) Cap gets frozen and put forward in time. Cap from timeline 4 arrives without shield to live out his days. Peggy marries timeline #4 Cap & has Sharon. Sharron assists in Winter Soldier. Endgame events happen, the missing Thanos is from a different branch where all of timeline 4 happened. Endgame events possibly create additional timelines but for simplicity sake we will say the mission is a success. Somebody returns stones to their correct timelines. Timeline 4 Cap doesn't have a shield to pass (could possibly pass Mjolnir if he kept it), there is no Captain Falcon. No gem's exist.

4) THE MOVIE'S TIMELINE - BETA+. Cap get frozen and is put forward in time. Cap from timeline 5 arrives with shield to live out his days. Peggy marries timeline #5 Cap & has Sharon. Sharon assists in Winter Soldier. Endgame events create timeline #1 & 2. Shield gets destroyed. Cap goes to timeline 3 to return the gems without shield (only Mjolnir) and doesn't return, choosing to live out his live with Peggy. Cap from timeline 5 passes down his shield, Captain Falcon becomes a thing. No gem's exist.

5) Percieved ALPHA/MAIN TIMELINE. Cap gets frozen and is put forward in time. No cap from alternate timeline -This has to happen at some point since it is part of the original Alpha timeline. Peggy marries random guy & has random kid. Cap gets no assistance in Winter Soldier, possibly getting disfigured being the reason Sharon doesn't recognize her younger father in timeline #4. Endgame still happens, possibly creating alternate timelines as well but for simplicity we will say mission is a success. Cap's shield doesn't get destroyed. Cap goes to timeline 4 to return the gems with Shield in hand and doesn't return since he chose to live out his live with Peggy. There is no old man Cap to pass down the mantle, there is no Captain Falcon. No gems exist (this was the reason Cap would need to return things to timelines and visits #4).

6) There is the possibility of other timelines prior to this perceived alpha timeline but it would involve factors that we don't know so currently assuming #5 is the alpha.

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@stunningham: “Loki is free and ready to cause mischief in the online series next year.” Sounds so silly that it almost made me laugh aloud. I just imagine him going off in a happy go lucky way to star in a sitcom like “Perfect Strangers”.

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Can we finally talk about how big of a mistake it was to give Gwyneth, I can't act for jack shiz, Paltrow a close up shot for Tony's death. Good lord did she ruin that entire moment for me. She can't act to save her life and you decide to put the weight of that whole moment on her horrible face acting? Russo's...you should have cut away or asked her to put her head in her hands. She can't act, she ruined the whole scene. End Game is such a big disappointment.

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@Bread_or_Decide: you don't like Gwyneth Paltrow. Got it.

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The Time Stone could not save Tony. To undo his death, Tony could not use the Infinity Guantlet to eliminate Thanos. Save Tony, save Thanos. Now, does that sound like a good idea to you?

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Out of ALL the possible outcomes that Dr. Strange saw, he more than likely knew that if he fudged with resurrecting Tony somehow Thanos would win. I'd say that excuse could be used for anything. 14 million is a LOT of possible outcomes.

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@methos: How would that even make sense? Just using his medical practice would not bring back Thanos. Using his wizardry would not bring Thanos back.

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@rglgathrawn: what are you talking about? I'm responding to Meg Downey, the article posted by her. She stated how they could have just reminded Tony's death. I stated that Dr. Strange saw over 14 million possibilities. Only way everyone could win definitely was if Tony died. No resurrections. All I said was I'm sure if they brought Tony back, SOMEHOW, Thanos would have still won. Which is why, Tony had to die. Period. I don't know what you read of mine but I'm replying to the article writer.

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@rglgathrawn: That assumes Tony's death was caused by an easily curable problem. He might have been beyond the reach of magic or a Doctor who specialized in brain surgery.

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@methos: Besides Strange is supposed to be pretty pragmatic. Resurrecting someone just because he likes/appreciates/whatever them is definitely not something a eternal allknowing ancient guardian of multiple dimensions is supposed to do.

With great power comes great responsibility. And Strange almost has power to do whatever so he definitely needs responsibility.

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@PrpleTrtleBuBum: I don't think anyone responding to me realizes I'm replying to the article writer. You can't just rewind Tony's death. I'm sure that was one of the bad possible outcomes from the 14 million Strange saw in the future. That's all I'm saying. Tony had to die was one of the plot points. The only way everyone could live is if he died.

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This kind of scene is far too cheesy, forced and unauthentic.

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So... What happened TO Gamora?

Misleading article titles are still a thing on Gamespot, obviously.

Clickbait.

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@Peter_Eater: it also didn’t look like she dipped awkwardly. She obviously walked off because she didn’t care or felt out of place because she didn’t know that tech warrior guy, Tony Stank (sic).

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@Peter_Eater: TO?

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enjoyed it as mindless flick this time. seems like nothing at stake unlike infinity war. for me, the whole time travelling facade just ruined everything. why would they sort to time travel is beyond me. it makes the whole franchise pointless

u kids go enjoy phase 4 or whatever. I'm gonna take a break from MCU

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@02050muh: Phase 4 is gonna suck. Too much SJW and affirmative action hires.

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@musicman65000: You do realize that the SJW crap is played out now, rite?

Pipe down. I'm sure the new hate of the month flavor will drop soon, and then you can try to sound cool again.

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@musicman65000: Good lord, how do you people still exist in 2019?

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@Bread_or_Decide: I have a feeling there are many,many more people with the very same opinion but remain quiet in general. I think he has a point just not a very well constructed one as the topic has more nuance.

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@02050muh:

Good movie, but time travel is my most Hated plot device.

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@Gary_Stanton: then please stop letting people use your plot device.

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@Gary_Stanton: Agreed. Time travel is lazy and creates more problems than it solves. Which I admit, may be the point for the MCU going forward, but still, what an eye rolling solution.

Thanos was right, bunch of cheaters those Avengers are.

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@Bread_or_Decide: agreed. it's like playing dark soul with Gameshark turned on

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@02050muh: What deflates this even further is that Thanos gets an entire film all to himself showing how hard he worked to win.

Then they cheat.

Like, okay...

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I enjoyed Endgame, but it’s already one of the corniest movies in the MCU without this scene. It’s probably a good thing it was left out.

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Will point out that quite possibly reversing Tony's Death via Time (and other) stones would reverse his reverse snap too.

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@EvilTyger: It was pointed out in the movie that the stones only do what you want them to do. And even then, Black Widow and Vision never came back.

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@EvilTyger: Which, of course, Strange knew ahead of time because he already simulated tens of millions of possibilities to determine what the best possible outcome would be. Also, I highly doubt any doctor is capable of treating enough gamma radiation burns to damn near kill the Hulk and Thanos on the battlefield.

Endgame has problems, but Tony's death isn't one of them.

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@EvilTyger: Exactly. The snap is what killed Tony. You undo Tony's death, you undo the snap and bring Thanos back. Everything that occurred in Endgame was their 1 chance in 14 mil to win.

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@qwidward: You could theoretically undo Tony's death without undoing the snap. There are two literal sorcerers on the Avengers, plus the Quantum Realm, plus Janet's healing abilities, plus whatever tech Hank has.

And why was Tony the one who had to snap his fingers, anyway? It was established that the Hulk was the only one capable of surviving, so no matter who put on the gauntlet, they'd probably die (except MAYBE Captain Marvel). So why not reverse time and get some random joe schmoe to sacrifice himself instead? Heck, Captain America was arguably more of a worthy human being, considering he was able to lift Mjolnir. It's really just a convenient way for RDJ to leave the franchise before he gets too old while still opening up a bunch of shenanigans.

And don't even get me started with how laughably weak they made Captain Marvel, purely so that she couldn't stop Thanos in time so that Iron Man had to die.

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@rglgathrawn:Didn't anyone else notice how Tony actually got the Stones?

The stones were all installed in the "Iron Gauntlet" Tony built, with the same nanotech his own suit was made out of, for the Hulk to use. During the battle, Thanos got hold of the Gauntlet and put it on, while he and Tony were grappling. He then attempted a universe-ending Infinity Snap, but it didn't work because one second earlier, during their struggle, Tony had used his suit's nanotech to interface with the Iron Gauntlet and physically shift the Stones over to his own hand. Then he took advantage of Thanos's brief moment of surprise to do his own snap.

A lot of other characters on that battlefield probably could have survived the snap. Hulk definitely could have, Thor probably could have, Carol Danvers almost certainly could have, maybe Steve Rogers, T'Challa or even Peter Parker, all of whom have varying levels of superhuman durability. But it would have been physically impossible for anyone but Tony Stark to do the "Stone swap" with Thanos in that crucial instant, because only his Iron Man suit was capable of interfacing with the Gauntlet in that way.

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@qwidward: This is why I don't really pay attention to other peoples' criticism of movies anymore. 80% of the time they just weren't paying attention to the movie.

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Well, this Gamora had no interaction with Tony, so why would she care?

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@balugha: Using that logic, though, Valkyrie, ANY of the GotG, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel shouldn't really care either, as their interactions with him alternated between "We're frenemies" to "I shouldn't give a crap."

And why are so many of them even there? Watching the fight scene, so many of the heroes got knocked out and incapacitated but now they're suddenly OK enough to kneel before Iron Man? Where was Star-Lord during the fight? He got sucker punched from behind, but there he is to pay respects! Captain Marvel practically got blasted into the next country by the power stone! And why kneeling, he's not a god, nor is he royalty, nor is he military. This deleted scene was not necessary.

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@balugha:

Which is why article states:

"After all, she's the Gamora from Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, she doesn't know any of these people. Why should she care that some man in a metal suit bit the dust? This is also a relatively concrete answer for one of the ending's bigger questions."

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