Cyberpunk 2077 Shows Bad Launches Don't Always Kill Games | Spot On

A big salute to gamespot for supporting scam launches. You’re just as bad as them

I don't care for broken games when they are dropped like this. Got a refund for both no mans sky and cyberpunk. Played a couple of hours of Cyberpunk 5 months after release and it was still a mess. Might play a pirated version later if it's ever sorted out.

No mans sky has had its redemtion arc, but I won't touch it.

Since the 10/10 he gave to Deathloop and the shabby 6/10 to Prey, Tamoor has lost all credibility. Every time I watch a video with him, I roll my eyes uncontrollably and it prevents me from seeing this video normally.

"No game is forever bad" is code for "a year after any horrible game launches, we as salespeople first will start with the apologetics articles."

If the core gameplay still sucks, if the shooter mechanics aren't inventive and fun, if the RPG elements beyond customization are lacking, then isn't it still a mediocre, second-rate Deus Ex? If they finally got the traffic to work decently, three years in and decades after GTA3, but it still isn't a living, breathing world, isn't it just a bad shooter with ok RPG elements in a bad open world?

Whether No Man's Sky has actually had a true redemption is largely dependent on what type of gamer you are. When it launched you couldn't even find another player. It was a vast, often beautiful galaxy, full of different-looking but functionally homogenous wildlife, with little to do but explore and collect meaningless elements. Now you can interact with other gamers and engage in homogenous, boring space battles and build and customize different-lookong but functionally homogenous bases.

There's nothing wrong with exploring a cool-looking world or galaxy forever in a game like this, or obsessively seeking out every cluster of carbon or whatever you can find. Games journos have really shot themselves in the foot with their pretentious language. THIS is what you should call an immersive sim, not Dishonored. For gamers looking for actual conflict, for engaging story and meaningful, varied, rewarding combat, for actual variety beyond the surface level of aesthetics, No Man's Sky is never going to give us what we want.

If your game is fundamentally lacking, you have to fundamentally change your game for these redemption stories to be true. But they're just a cynical sales pitch, usually.

Maybe not for other people, but it certainly killed the game for me. Not to mention all future CDPR games now that they've shown the world how they operate.

@eldergamer99: If anything, I'd probably wait for a physical complete edition if physical means anything to you. CDPR typically does right by those.

Other honorable mentions:

No Man's Sky. All those initial broken promises have been made up for, and then some. Has truly been amazing to see this game develop from what it was at release.

Fallout: New Vegas: was buggy and borderline unplayable on release. With official support, and mods and some really great expansions, it's one of the best action-RPG's of all time.

gamespot and some people here missing the important point of how it sucks when they ask so much money for releasing video games in bad shape to start to earn money sooner and using paid customers as testers. quality decreases while the price increases and on the top of it they try to normalize and justify bad launches and a game requiring important fixes over a few years. no one deserves to be treated like that. it's rude, it's being disgraced with your money. not to mention waste of your time when you cannot earn back the time you did lose. no one deserves praise when they finally did the job they had to do from the start. it's like you hire a guy and make full payment for him to paint your house but he just finish one wall in a day and you wait for him to start painting your house 2 years later and you still praise the guy for doing the job done. what kind of pollyanna logic is this? if people make what CDPR, Hello Games, EA, et cetera seem okay companies will be okay to release more unfinished video games and they actually do. people should wake up from this BS but lots of gamers pay for video games from their rich father's wallet and for people like them even $10000 is nothing. the other type is those who have the money because they have a job but never play the games they buy. these BS gives companies the wrong impression of the BS they do is okay. it's not. in reality everytime they BS they lose customers and bad reviews make new gamers ignore the whole company. like how around 90s and 2000s EA games was praised for its quality in video games, now they are infamous for being one of the shittiest video game company in meme level. it's like it's common sense to believe EA being equal to shit even though new generation kids never played an EA games before. people hate the company so much they buy their game just to review bomb and thanks to refunds they get back their money. what happened to EA can easily happen to any company. it's no rocket science

regarding CDPR, they releasing a DLC before they fix the base game and by fix I also mean the features they said the game would have and the basic features the game needs. for example still there is no cop chase, they only added drone chase after like 2 years. how hard it can be? it's not that it's hard to do, it's just their employees probably learned how to program while developing the game otherwise I have no idea how can you suck at so hard when you are suppose to be AAA video game developer. I guess they hired anyone who claimed they can do the job done and it took a decade for them to realize they didn't even graduate from primary school. I guess whole budget of the whole company is for PR and other than PR there are like 3 person in the development and that's it. how you can suck hard so much when you could release a video game like witcher 3? with lack of decent employees and very low budget they released witcher 1 and its still technically was way better developed game than cyberpunk 2077. what the hell you guys did in a decade? I guess they were too busy to decide on how female characters should be designed LOL

and CDPR announced so many projects. of course people shouldn't expect much as they will probably ruin franchise like how EA and ubisoft did. if they were a real gamer like the old days they would know how to develop a video game but all they care is making bad research on what people care and develop a generic video game according to it otherwise EA wouldn't release the NFS Unbound BS and they wouldn't cancel Star Wars 1313 just because "players doesn't care about singleplayer games anymore" and IDK who said them it's okay to make the games have lots of microtransactions and people are ok with BS DRMs. IDK when EA will realize people want underground 3 and carbon 2. bruh do I have to work for companies for free to play a decent game anymore? :DDD

I'm not going to lie I get the idea but I completely disagree with the conclusions. Truth in advertising has so completely failed the gaming market in the last 10 years that we no longer expect games to sell finished or even playable. That shouldn't ever be acceptable. I've gotten to the point where if a game has microtransactions or subscriptions I'm already out

I've purchased games that were absolutely terrible at launch. My most memorable one was BF4. When it launched the game was riddled with constant crashes, netcode issues, and bug after bug. It was nearly impossible to get through a couple rounds of Conquest without the game crashing to desktop. By the time it had finished all the DLC releases it was considered one of the best Battlefield games ever! 2042 was much the same but with fewer crashes. Now it's a much better game than it was at launch. Not all horrible games stay that way.

Game was praised for being able to remove genitalia and being inclusive by gaming sites and ignored the fact that the game was unplayable on Xbox and ps4. More reasons not to trust reviewers. Gamers we’re screwed

Yeah... this might sound dumb, but if I believe a game is worth playing, I'll play it, and if not, I'll play something else. It's always been like that, it's just that now games can become worthwhile after launch. If you refuse to play a game even after it's been fixed, it's your choice, but I just don't think it accomplishes much.

Eventually, you have to weigh your options and the potential outrage and cost ramifications of them; do you delay the game, realistically, another two years and cancel the previous gen version after it was already promised? Or do you do exactly as they did?

While we can all judge them from our couches (or toilets, in my case) and say that the former of these options is the correct one, in that scenario you're still upsetting just as many- probably more, when you factor in people like their shareholders- plus taking the massive financial hit of losing the sales of two huge install bases, cancelling preorders, not to mention having to navigate multiple fiscal years without revenue from a game that is expensive to make, and almost certainly already had its projected earnings penciled into their budget to pay employees and cover future costs.

CDPR was always a company that openly prided itself on a rejection of crunch culture, and the entire studio ended up having a year+ crunch just to get the game out the door in the state it was in, AND that was after multiple delays.

Game development is hard. It's easy for scope and ambition of projects of this size to become unrealistic.

To be fair it was really only a bad launch on last gen, which it should have never released on at all. On current gen and PC it wasn't anymore janky than your typical Bethesda game.

cyberpunk 2077 sold well just because the BS hype they created around the game and especially because most of the people couldn't refund the game for many reasons. if you had asked people if they would refund the game if they could so many people would say yes. the game still doesn't have what they said it would have and even as a game it lacks so many basic stuff. the supposedly AAA game has less quality than ordinary indie games. even one person did developed way better games than the whole ass company many before. for me not only the game is killed but whole CDPR and anyone who worked on the game are dead to me anymore. I wouldn't even play the game even the sfx guy who worked on cyberpunk 2077 involved in it lmao. after all video games are luxury so I have no real reason to play any games so I can easily say badbye to any video game developer's existence so they should stop acting like their service is necessity for their own good. lastly thanks CDPR for butchering cyberpunk genre. now carry on being generic trash video game company. I hope even history won't remember you lol

Another prime example was NMS. Weak start but now full of content and constant major updates (free)!

What a shame, dev's should be punished harshly for releasing games in the state Cyberpunk was released in.

How about we rethink our preorders? :P

This game and No Mans Sky didn't get away with the heat of their shody launch, but they worked a lot to bring us what they owed us.

Well, when you factor in these key reasons:

1. It's an FPS game that isn't some BS anti-communist, or Anti-Terrorist, or survival, or Battle royal style game.
2. It takes place in a unique and interesting world. That isn't just the modern, Cold War, or WW2 era. Or worse, an apocalyptic world.
3. It was touted as a "GTA-style FPS game". Which is already overselling any game.
4. It was a fresh idea amongst stale-as-hell ones. And Skyrim & Destiny proved that gamers think like this (Unique and interesting game ideas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mechanically functional/fluid games)
5. Anime fans are the biggest sims in human history. And if your IP has a good anime/manga. They'll promote it like Christians promoting the bible (Or MAGAs promoting rich old orange people).

If Cypherpunk was a Sci-fi robot Zombie survival game, or a Sci-fi anti-communist/terrorist shooter, or Sci-fi Battle Royal. It would've died faster than one drop of bacteria in 1 gallon of penicillin.

But the fact that it's a GTA Blade Runner/5th Element/Ghost in a Shell. That is the reason why it's still doing so well. I mean sure it came out buggy. But most gamers can forgive your game's buggy-ness if it's a unique idea. And not just some boring tired idea we've seen 1,765,214,564,925 times... in a row...

Yeah but it takes a lot to fix a bad launch and recover from the bad rep.