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Disney CEO Defends Marvel Movies After Scorsese And Coppola Criticize Them

"If they want to bitch about movies, it's certainly their right."

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A lot of people have a lot to say about Marvel movies in the wake of the negative comments about them from Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola. Disney's CEO, Bob Iger, has now weighed in on the drama with a take of his own.

Speaking at the WSJ Tech Live event in Laguna Beach, the CEO responded specifically to how Coppola said Marvel movies are "despicable." Iger said "despicable" is a word he reserves for mass murderers, adding that saying such a thing about Marvel movies is disrespectful to the many people who work on them.

"I reserve the word 'despicable' for someone who committed mass murder," Iger said. "These are movies."

Scorsese and Coppola also are failing to understand how the Marvel movie audience is reacting to and appreciating the MCU films, Iger said.

"It doesn't bother me, except I am bothered on behalf of the people who work on those movies," Iger said. "I don't take it personally. [Scorsese and Coppola] don't see how the audience is reacting to [Marvel movies], first of all. They're entitled to their opinions."

"Francis Ford Coppola and Martin Scorsese are two people I hold in the highest regard in terms of the films they've made, the films I've liked, the films we've all watched. When Francis [says] those films are despicable, to whom is he talking? Is he talking to Kevin Feige who runs Marvel or is he Taika Waititi who directs or Ryan Coogler who directs for us or Scarlett Johansson or Chad Boseman? I could name a number of people, Robert Downey Jr. So I don't quite get what you're trying to criticize use for when we're making films that people are obviously enjoying going to because they're doing so by the millions."

Iger went on to say when any big movie performs well at the box office, a studio can reinvest that money into funding smaller movies that also can find an audience, even if it isn't as big. He added that Disney's movie-making teams are putting their heart and soul into their films, just like those who work on Scorsese and Coppola's movies. He also said that Black Panther director Ryan Coogler achieved something with his movie that Scorsese and Coppola never have.

"I don't feel a need to defend what we're doing," Iger said. "We're in the business of making money; we're a profitable business. We're trying to balance that with telling great stories to the world and infusing them with great values and supporting an employee base of well over 200,000 people around the world with great care and frankly respect.

"So I just don't ... I'm puzzled by it. If they want to bitch about movies, it's certainly their right. It seems so disrespectful to all the people who work on those films, who are working just as hard as the people who work on [Scorsese and Coppola's films]. Putting their creative souls on the line just like [Scorsese and Coppola are]. You're telling me Ryan Coogler making Black Panther is doing something that is somehow or another less than what Marty Scorsese or Francis Ford Coppola have ever done, on any one of their movies? C'mon. There, I said it."

The WSJ's video upload of Iger's speech cuts out the part where he spoke about how he reserves the word "despicable" for mass murderers, but he did say it, according to people who were in the audience.

Scorsese, the Oscar-winning director behind Goodfellas, The Departed, Taxi Driver, and The Wolf of Wall Street, made waves when he said Marvel movies are "not cinema." Coppola, the five-time Oscar winning director behind The Godfather and Apocalypse Now, backed up Scorsese's comments and went further, saying Marvel movies are "despicable."

Scorsese and Coppola are two of the most esteemed directors in the history of cinema, and they have every right to share their thoughts on the film business, according to Iron Man director Jon Favreau.

Just because Scorsese and Coppola do not seem to enjoy superhero movies, Marvel, DC, and other will of course continue to make them and fans won't stop enjoying them.

"Like westerns and gangster movies (and before that, just MOVIES), not everyone will be able to appreciate them, even some geniuses. And that's okay," Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn said.

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Not certain I follow: Why would superhero movies as a whole be inherently any less quality than gangster films? Of course, that's not to say some superhero movies aren't less than stellar, but why lump them all into the same quality (or lack thereof) category? Seems to me the Marvel offerings overall tend to be more praised by critics than the vast majority of films in other genres such as drama or comedy. What's more, to Iger's point, one could certainly argue that it takes (considerably) more effort to produce a superhero movie (from costuming, to makeup, to sound editing and mixing, to special and visual effects) than most dramas or comedies. To each her or his own...

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why do people still call them marvel movie's when there not marvel does not exist since Disney bought them out they are Disney movies not marvel.

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@dragoonmike: why do people call porsches porsche, not volkswagen?

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I agree with them to a point. Yes, I've gone to see most Marvel movies in the theater but I've never gotten anything out of them other than they are fun. They are a spectacle at most. Big fights. Lackluster character development. No deep thought put into what they want to say about us as humans or even what it would mean to be gifted as they are. They are cinema - but not progressive cinema.

I've read AMAZING Batman and Spiderman comics so ripe for an adaptation but if you're not throwing in all the heroes, villains, CGI, family-friendly comedy, etc you're not going to make money. Which is what this comes down to. Say what you will about Watchmen, but it explored the themes of its source material much better than any Marvel movie. Joker and Dark Knight did the same with their depictions of the Joker.

The main issue here is that if we're not making superhero movies for kids we're making them for adults who want none of the substance that could come with that - just all the violence and slo-mo shots they can fit in. I want a No Country for Old Men type of hero movie. Hell, at least up the Cinematography to the level of Blade Runner 2049. Give us SOMETHING Oscar-worthy because the "I am Iron Man" line is NOT Oscar-worthy as much as the fanbois think it is.

Sincerely,

- A movie AND comic fan

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@enigma757: to be fair, these aren't made for adults so much as families. These movies are so profitable because they are able to target and satisfy a large, broad market. If we go back to the days where comic movies are only for the comic fans, it just won't work because the audience doesn't justify the budget. But here is also another issue. All those people who want to stomp and cry about Brie Larson and "SJWs" and wokeness ruining comics and movies. The reality is that Marvel's movies have done well because they are trying to appeal to all demographics, not in spite of it. My kids love these movies. Myself, a long time movie and comic fan like yourself, loves these movies. It's like a dream come true. But better yet, my wife also likes these movies and would probably never read a comic book. I think there is certainly a space for the type of movie you speak about, but its tougher because of the kind of criticism coming from the "this isn't cinema" crowd.

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@ZIMdoom: And I get that. But as I've said, you aren't pushing any cinematic boundaries other than how many sequels you can make. Marvel movies have more in common with Air Bud than they do with Joker and if the reception to Joker is any indication - there absolutely is an audience for that type of comic book movie. You can also do a lot with a small budget if you aren't relying on 10 min CGI fight scenes.

Stylistically, acting-wise, and content-wise Joker proves that these movies can do well, be BETTER, and keep wide appeal on a smaller budget. Marvel movies sell to a "broad audience" internationally because you don't have to translate energy blasts and punches. Civil War comic wasn't aimed at the target age audience Civil War movie was at all. Marvel movies are cinema, but if most people were asked which movie had more to offer cinema - Millers Crossing or Endgame - the answer is sort of obvious as it would be if we pitted any Marvel movie up against any Oscar nominees. If all art were made to be consumed by the masses or children in general, we would have a very dull sense of the world and the art that imitates it while leaving out so many of the heavy subjects that create said art.

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@enigma757: totally fair point. However I can’t help but believe Joker is more an anomaly than the rule. Joker has a lot of help from all the controversy and culture wars and I have no doubt that lots of people went to see it more out of spite than actual interest or concern for “cinema” or art. If I had to chose between marvel movies and movies like joker that are surrounded by anger and spite...i will happily take Marvel. But I do agree with you in principle. There is a lot of great comic content out there and themes and stories and character struggles that could be explored way more and way better than currently are.

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@pharoe777: ahh the $$ logic. Justin Bieber is one of the greatest artists by that claim

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@chillingnaire: Yes. What is your point?

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They're right. Most of the Marvel movies are boring. I liked their stories better in comics and cartoons. Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy are outstanding, though.

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"I reserve the word 'despicable' for someone who committed mass murder," Iger said.

I very highly doubt that he has only used the word 'despicable' when having conversations about mass murderers. He is very defensive about it though. I garner he's either been asked about it too many times (very likely), or he's just sensitive about their criticisms having truth to them (also likely).

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@lionheartssj1: Anyone who does what Disney/Marvel has accomplished with these movies is going to be defensive when someone craps all over it by dismissing it as "not real cinema". They single handedly revived comicbook movies. That alone is crazy to think about for anyone aware of comic movies from the 80s and 90s. But over and above that did what nobody else has done and created a long-term plan and persistent movie world more closely resembling comics or other serialized media. They've brought these characters to life in a way nobody has ever done (or even thought possible) and they've made billions of dollars doing it. And after all that work and time and investment and success? People are basically saying it is worthless because "its not cinema". I'd probably be angry and defensive as well.

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@ZIMdoom:

Well, I guess my response to him would be he doesn't have to be defensive. If the movies are as great as he's saying they are, things will take care of themselves. Also, Iger cares very little, if at all, about any cinematic quality beyond being entertaining enough to make a lot of money, and their continued dealings with China emphasize that. On that note, be careful of equating earnings to quality. Transformers and Fast and Furious movies make tons of money too, but you have to be willing to ignore a lot to equate them to quality story telling. Saw one comment that sum it up as 'McDonalds has the best food because they're so popular'. Without debating whether they're the top grossing restaurant, I think we can both agree they make substantial money and do a lot of business. Does that mean their food is the best quality? Eh, probably not, but they make more money than that salad shop down the road, so the Big Mac must be better than a spring salad. It's really a matter of tastes in the end.

Now, personally, I've really enjoyed many of the Marvel movies and I'm thoroughly impressed in how they serialized all of them. I'm also willing to recognize they're really not deep dive, philosophical, human condition type narratives. They dip their toes in here and there, but for the most part it's just beat-the-bad-guys comic book movies, and that's ok too. They're not going to stick with me the same way a Shawshank Redemption or a Godfather would, but in 20 years will I still remember Cap wielding Mjolnir? Heck yea...well, at least I hope I can remember then.

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what is a Marvel?

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Whose Scorsese, anyways gone to godfather church to check up on my mafia children, oh wait they're not there so disposable, I mean dispicable.

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wow Iger sounds like triggered teenager. xD

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Don't know why people are acting like triggered snowflakes. They have their own opinions on marvel movies just like everyone does. Fanboys will be fanboys i guess.

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All i'm getting from this is Bob Iger not letting someone have an opinion and then basically calling them something they equate to mass murders?

jesus christ, idont fully agree with Marty or francis but they can have their opinion, i dont like some superhero films either, is Bob Iger gonna scream at me as well saying "WHAT ABOUT THE HARD WORK THEY PUT INTO THAT MOVIE!?!?! YOU ARE DESPICABLE!!!!"

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I met a girl sitting next to me in the theater when I went to watch avengers endgame with a friend. She was quite friendly and we talked a lot. Then she told me she had an interest in quantum physics and that's why she is watching the movie.

I switched seats with my frnd during interval. And that incident perfectly describes typical marvel movie watchers.

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@hrv_25: That would've been delightful I ususally always get the person who claps and screams when they see their favorite character, same for DC movies lol

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They’re movies. You either like a movie or you don’t. You can try to make more of it than that but in the end, that’s what it will always boil down to.

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I side with Scorsese and Coppola on this one. I feel as if some of the Marvel movies really lowered the bar for the industry.

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@tashtash: true but School boys on gamespot think chris Evan's should win oscar for captain America. You may offend them. Lmao

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Meh. They can criticize them all they want but it’s not going to make me enjoy them any less.

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It is not just one director who made the criticisms, but two of them. In fact, these are not no-name directors but prominent ones.

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@onesiphorus: Two old, prominent directors that show elitism? No way! /sarcasm

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@onesiphorus: Yeah. And that's okay. It's not like everyone feels universally about any movie. People have different tastes, as they always have.

Personally, I think calling them "not cinema" or "despicable" is bigotted and short-sighted. I still respect their rights to those opinions, if not the opinions themselves.

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