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E3 2017: Phil Spencer Talks Xbox One X Potentially Being Held Back By PS4 Deals

Phil Spencer addresses the possibility of a deal that holds back technical performance.

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Microsoft officially revealed the Xbox One X at E3 this week, providing a name and details for the improved Xbox One formerly known as Project Scorpio. It's more powerful than PS4 Pro, but game companies now find themselves in a position where they have to decide how to approach the improvements that are offered on Xbox One X as compared with PS4 Pro. We learned this week that Destiny 2 will run at 30 FPS on Xbox One X, just as it will on PS4 Pro. But it's unclear if that framerate is the result of hardware restrictions or because Sony, through its partnership with Activision, would not allow the game to run better on rival hardware.

Head of Xbox Phil Spencer joined GameSpot today on our E3 live show to discuss this and much more. Regarding the potential for games' technical performance to be held back due to such arrangement, he noted that he was not aware of that specifically happening, but he did say he thinks it would be bad for the industry.

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"I'm gonna struggle to not get myself in trouble on this one," he said. "I'll just say: I don't know anything about other development deals. You mentioned some things around clauses and stuff that I don't know anything about. But if anybody was to do a deal to hold back technical innovation on a video game anywhere else, that doesn't feel good for the industry to me."

Spencer went on to contrast the approach of securing exclusive content with the way Microsoft now operates. "I've said I'm not one who's a fan of going out and doing deals so that a certain skin isn't playable on another platform or a different Strike," he said. "And people will come and say, 'Hey, you guys did that first with Call of Duty way back in the day.' I wasn't in this position when that happened. That's not me ducking responsibility for it, but I didn't make that call.

"But the deals that we do now--and you saw our third-party relationships on stage with Shadow of War, with Assassin's [Creed], you're not going to hear them say anything about there's a certain character that's not playable. And I never go into a situation where I say, 'You can't do something that's possible on another platform' in order to benefit. I haven't seen those deals. If that started to happen in the industry, I don't think that's a great thing. I don't know that it has happened."

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Spencer also made it clear he views Xbox One X and what it's capable of as being on a different level than the consoles currently on the market. "I know right now, the technical capability on Xbox One X is beyond… I look at [PS4] Pro, [PS4] Slim, [Xbox One] S as kind of in one category, and then you've got a box, as you said, that can natively do a lot more. Whether developers choose to use the horsepower for framerate, resolution, or just techniques within the frame. I'm not going to dictate that. I've heard this: 'Hey, you should force all games to [run at] 60 [frames per second] or something.' I've never thought forcing the creative process is a way to get great games."

You can watch our full interview with Spencer in the video at the top of this article. He also discussed console wars, Xbox backwards compatibility, and more. For more on what Microsoft had to share this week, check out our roundup of all the Microsoft press conference news.

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Welcome to PC for the last fifteen years, Phil. You led the way with the Xbosh, holding back PC development, and Microsoft was wheeling and dealing with console exclusive contracts last gen. Pretending like it's just a bad idea now (while you're in second place) is just hypocrisy.

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@Thanatos2k: So the part where he acknowledged that it was done on 360 when Don Matrick was in charge just doesn't exist in your mind?

As proof you haven't seen these deals since then.

Do you people really believe MS can't out bid Sony and subsidised their console beyond what Sony could compete with? They could have easily bought rights just like Sony and just like they did in the past.

It's not hypocrisy to say that he doesn't want these deals in the industry any more, It's hypocrisy to do them and say they shouldn't.

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@Aperturetier3: but he did make such deals for xb1 also, still is making them, for entire games, content, you name it. We have seen it, you have simply ignored it.

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@Mirimon78: Acknowledging is literally the opposite of ignoring. A company or division changing direction is not hypocrisy is changing direction. Again, the proof is how those deals immediately stopped once he was made head of Xbox.

Obviously he wasn't referring to timed exclusives. He very clearly has an issue with paying developers to intentionally neuter a game so the experience is not allowed to be better elsewhere or even worse. Activision was notorious for having some of the worst console parity across consoles but now that Xbox is the most powerful parity is so important.

But you're a fanboy so you'll reject any opposition and change what he clearly said in the interview to something that suits your narrative.

I've had a 780ti as my main for the last 3 years now as it easily embarrassed the XB1, PS4 and PS4 pro in power. But having decided to buy the one x and returning to the console space and these console threads after so long has been painful. The toxic nature of the fanboy war and willingness be blindfolded is unbelievable. With PS4 being more popular it's noticably worse. What he said was pretty clear yet you all have the hardest time understanding​.

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@Aperturetier3: it hasn't changed direction, they ha e made more deals than before, not just for timed exclusivity of content AND games (which is, despite your attempt to shift it, the topic of this article) as well as permanently purchasing exclusivity.

You went from a decent midrange pc to console poses questions.. you can have pc and co sole at the sane time you know? And then you further make noo sense by choosing the console that has all of its games on pc already, meaning no new experiences, just worse experiences of titles you already had access to.

Shifting goalposts, ignoring the topic of the article and of the contradictory nature of the hypocrite who has been and is still doing that which he contains of, randomly discussing your pathetic attempt to seem like a pc gamer rather than a fanboy while calling others who clearly enjoy the full library of titles open to non fanatical brand name loyalists.... oh silly fanboy, you couldn't be more obvious.

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@Mirimon78: Changing the goal post? Did you even watch the interview? No you didn't because you're a little butt hurt little shit who shoots from the hip the moment you saw critisism of the thing you don't like best. I stayed on topic with exactly what the interviewer asked Phill Spencer about exclusivity deals impacting console parity. But ironically attacking me is shifting the focus that your bull-shit rantings are directly opposed to the actual content of video and nothing changes this fact.

As far as my PC goes if you knew jack shit you know the gtx 1070 is the closest performer to the X. That's a$450 dollar card that I don't want to buy because I'm so done. Before that I owned a 680, before that I owned a 570, before that I owned two 465s in sli and before that I had two 8800s not to mention my Mobo is getting out of date and my i7 Sandy bridge is so old it would bottle neck any upgrades meaning more fucking money has to be spent.

So build up whatever dumbass little conspiracy you want, you clearly enjoy doing that. It's not tough leaving the 500 games i have on steam, they're not going anywhere. I'm sick and tired of keeping up specs just to find out the drivers break game or it turns out it was just a shit port or the online community sucks shit due to constant cheating. (I gave up on battlefield multiplayer years ago so I'm looking forward to playing​ that again) all the while watching my "peasant" friends not give a shit about any of that and play the games. Pathetic is being such a jaded fanboy you can't imagine someone moving away from pc let alone to a platform you have obvious bias against.

I actually already tried to move over with the pro and everyone said go for PlayStation but that was a piece of garbage. But if you don't believe me I'll send a pic of my 780 and my pro with a piece of paper that says Mirimon78 is a retard.

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@Aperturetier3: "...mirimon78 is a retarded."

Oh, this is gold here.

And lol, xb1x is close to a 1070?? You are so lost right now, I doubt you have ever been a pc gamer....

So now you somehow have to abandon the great gaming rig you upgrade with every post to play a console??? Weird, some sort of rule your mo m has in the house???

You failed here kid...

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@Mirimon78: Oh no a typo, my whole argument is undone how could you!?! Is that what you're hoping for retard. Oh look it's​ fixed guys everything is back to normal.

Tell me how they are not close in specification? You have yet to provide any technical reasoning behind the steam of fecal matter that flows from your brain. As I said I can provide proof, I even have my 680 still hooked up for physX. Can you provide proof that your rig (probably a value graphics card or a base PS4) can beat a toaster let alone the Xb1 X?

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@Aperturetier3: man, even 7tizz would be embarrassed by you...

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@Mirimon78: I love that everytime I put the ball back on you after I provide a valid point like referring to the content of the video, referencing hardware specifications for my claim, willingness to provide visual proof you keep coming back with a weaker and weaker comment. Its obvious your intelligence doesn't extend past a couple "xbone" Reddit threads.

As far as 7tizz goes I'll reply the same way I'm sure you've replied when asked about your father "I don't know him and I don't care that I'm his embarrassment"

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@Aperturetier3: the ball? You dropped that with your first post and have been tripling over it since. The most you have accomplished is render a slew of insults for lack of an actual point.

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@Mirimon78: Oh look, yet another reply that in reality says nothing at all. I've provided plenty of points, albeit with insults I admit because letting out frustration was the only way to prevent your idiocy from coagulating as tumors in my brain.

You say companies can't change a philosophy without being a hypocrite. Denied the content of a video linked directly in the article. Refuse to differentiate between acknowledgement​ and ignoring something. Clearly have no idea about technical specifications or how to read them yet somehow be confidently dismissive. Show little to no knowledge about pc architecture but pass judgement on the background of others. And so on, and so on to every other thing that's been brought up. Rejecting a point is not the same as proving yours.

At this point it's highly obvious you've simply tried act beyond your IQ or you realized you have nothing to stand on and therefor attempt to use denial as a legitimate counter argument because you don't have an out. It's also obvious you've run dry of what little ammo you had when you go after typos or the way I've said things (opposed to the content) as a foundation of an argument.

It's all good though because we're done. You've exposed yourself enough at this point because if someone were to come through, read all of this and disagree with everything I've said they would still see that you were unable to effectively agrue a single point due to a near zero level of comprehension.

When I say I'm done with you I mean it, I really don't give a shit what you say back. I'm going to go yell at a rock for a more productive conversation. Later bitch.

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@Aperturetier3: many words used to say absolutely nothing, covfefe

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I'm glad the majority of the people on here read the article before commenting.
The ones you don't look like fools. The writer of this headline should be ashamed. Got the clicks though, eh? Scum.

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@Foxhound71: Click bait at its finest

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lolol xbox what a joke

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Wow what an intentionally misleading article title, does no one have integrity anywhere anymore?

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@SavageEvil: Microsoft is in full desperation mode. Lying about native 4K and using gaming media to spread propaganda and ignore Horizon Zero Dawn: The Frozen Wilds.

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@zero_dawn: and the ps4 pro is native 4k?

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@thejudge345: the pro does have native 4k titles though... so....

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@zero_dawn: where did they lie?

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@sladakrobot: His name is @Zero_Dawn I wouldn't expect much logic from him about xbox lol.

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Much ado about nothing. No one said anything like the title of this article. Author is stirring the pot about a hunch with no basis. Fake news!

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Chris, I watched the video and I don't think your headline is contextually right. He never implied that and it sounds like you're just trying to rearrange the interview to make it sound that way. Stirring the pot or something?

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Making Phil Head of Xbox has been an excellent move for Microsoft. I appreciate his way of thinking from a gamer's perspective, not just a business perspective. He's obviously popular in the community, and for good reason. Reinforces my choice to invest in Xbox services.

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@sticktaler36: honestly, it just sounds like you're butt hurt people are more excited about the X than the Pro. Sony has been the shit talker this whole generation. When Spencer is civilized and reserved, Sony is busy making smart-ass post E3 videos in hotel rooms.

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Guys, Spencer's never even stated that Sony was holding Xbox back... That was nonsense brought up by Gamespot. Phil didn't even want to answer the question and refused to believe it was even happening.

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@pax_augusta: it is damage control propaganda

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Not surprised. If true, Sony's making a huge mistake. Watch Microsoft order the Xbox division to fire back on the Pro. I hope it's not true and Bungie just thinks 30fps is for the best.

If it is ALL true, then Sony might start getting screwed next year in terms of Pro functionality. If true this has to stop before the console war goes to whole new level of "defcon." I don't want my Pro or One X being dampened because of both companies' "grit."

We know Microsoft is a money Goliath, and Spencer is saying it's a bad strategy. If the PS5 is announced next year, that would hurt those who have recently committed to the new hardware (like me) and a bad move financially.

This is going to get interesting. I hope for the best, and for both companies to get along.

Microsoft could really **** over Sony if they really wanted to, but I PRAY that won't happen. I am upset with Sony and Microsoft alike with the actions they've taken in this generation, but I can only go so far to explain the importance of cooperation between them both.

It should be about the gamers, not a "brand ego."

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"HAY GUYZ, CONSOLE WARS ARE BAD."

"Just remember the XBOX X is better than them all guys, Sony is pure evil!"

"CONSOLE WARS ARE A ZERO SUM GAME THOUGH, REMEMBER."

PS: LMAO at Phil opining about Sony holding the industry back. YOU COCKSUCKERS AND YOUR XBOX ARE JUST AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM, IF NOT MORE SO, and outside console land we've been miles ahead waiting for your stupid, pathetic ass to catch up. YOU'RE TERRIBLE PHIL, ABSOLUTELY FUCKING MISERABLE.

Phil, seriously dude. Shut the **** up.

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@Richardthe3rd: stfu and go work on taking sonys lil peter at your @$$! Tru morons in 4k over in the Sony drone capital.

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@plus_1: He's a PC gamer that already has went in on Sony... You, on the other hand, are an idiot.

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@Richardthe3rd: You clearly haven't watched the video !!! He never said such a thing !!!

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I just dont understand some of the comments I see here. These are gaming consoles. Im glad some of you have a preference, good for you, but you guys act like this console gang wars for us consumers. Choose a side, ride or die. Petty as hell, and most of you are adults..... I think. Attacking people for liking a different console like PS Bloods and Xbox Crips lol.

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@craigtl: You think it would be that easy. But when these companies only care about themselves, and the devs only care about the $$$, shit like this happens. I'm not saying that the D2 bottleneck is going to be a thing, but if it's true, it's awfully shitty on Sony's part. Consumers never win in these situations. When these companies are on each others throats and intentionally trying to sabotage each others products, we all lose. Most of don't have the money to buy new consoles each year. Ride and die with consoles is becoming a thing of the past. I think I'm just going to save my money and get a PC. All of my friends already said that they are all getting D2 for the PS4, so D2 will be useless to me anyway.

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@undeadninja125: consumers are in control more than we think....... but it would take sacrifice and a very strong stance. Don't buy shit for a year....... would be far from easy......... but if we all decided to just kick back and replay the games we currently have and hold out on making new purchases we would be in position to say enough is enough when the execs realize they didnt make enough money to gas up the private jets. Otherwise just choose your console of choice and be happy. It is what it is.

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Battlefield 4 (with its great graphics) run on 900p on ps4 and 720p on xone (while still being smoother on ps4)... and Fallout 4 run on 1080p on both systems... just sayng.

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@everson_rm: The PS4 ran better than the X1. But the X1X is on a whole other level. Even the PS4 Pro doesn't come close.

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So he is already preparing for failure with these bs conspiracy arguments.

Got it.

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@expredator: Dont just read this stupid article go watch the real video and see what feel said to a question that was asked

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look, I'm a PS4 player myself, but the guy didn't say what the title implies he might have said.

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@juninhotorres: exactly, that what was inferred by the journalist. He clearly wanted no parts of it except to say that something like that would be bad for the industry if it was to be true.

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@craigtl: "journalism" at its finest.

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