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Ghostbuster II Paved The Way For Everything We Hate About Sequels Now

Ghostbusters is a magical mess, and Ghostbusters II is a cold miscalculation.

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1984 was an incredible year for movies, and Ghostbusters is arguably the best from that year. It gave us an enchanting alternate reality and has spawned five films, two animated television series, a bunch of documentaries, and so many toys. So why does it always feel like the subsequent movies we get are a pale imitation of the original? The first sequel, Ghostbusters II, was an early hint that things were never going to work out quite the same way again, and looking back on it from 2024, it feels like the kind of studio-run, bean-counted project that we expect to see in theaters even today.

The first Ghostbusters was an accident

The original film we got, an almost perfect mix of science-fiction, horror, and comedy, was not the Ghostbusters Dan Aykroyd had in mind when he first envisioned the project. The original script, set in 2012, had multiple teams of "ghost smashers" traveling between planets and dimensions. The Ecto-1 car was a black vehicle that could disappear. The original cast would have included not just Harold Ramis and Dan Aykroyd, but also John Belushi as Peter Venkman. Belushi's passing forced a recast. Eddie Murphy was considered for Winston before Ernie Hudson stepped in. Both John Candy and Sandra Bernhard turned down the roles of Louis Tully and Janine Melnitz, respectively. Candy wanted to give Tully a German accent and a pair of dogs. Even New York City didn't play a huge role in the original idea, as the team was to be based out of a New Jersey gas station The script underwent extensive rewrites by Aykroyd, Ramis, and director Ivan Reitman to turn it into the movie we know today. Even then, the movie was on such a tight schedule that prints with unfinished visual effects were sent to theaters.

Ghostbusters is such a huge movie that it's basically a part of American culture at this point--. But the pieces that fit together so perfectly came out of necessity, budget control, and improvisation.

Ghostbusters II is a photocopy of the original

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The sequel, however, is something else altogether. In nearly every scene, we can see the signs of the creators fighting with the studio, or maybe even just the creators struggling to come up with another compelling idea of what the Ghostbusters could be.

If we look at the movie from a thousand-foot view, they're essentially the same film. Something spooky happens to Dana, and she goes to the boys for help. The boys are successful and popular, but there's a mean government guy with a vendetta against them. They get waylaid by the system and things get worse and worse. A weird guy gets wrapped up in the evil stuff and unwittingly makes things worse. There's a montage of spooky happenings and people screaming. The mayor gets the boys on the case. Things go badly at first, and then they get exciting when a monstrous figure stomps through the streets of New York (but it's a good guy this time). The boys face off against a weirdo who blasts them, and then they blast the guy creatively and the city cheers for them. That's the plot summary of both movies.

It doesn't stop there, though. There are so many little things about the movie that sound like studio executives saying, "Hey, the people want this." Peter puts the moves on a reticent Dana Barrett. There's a scene of them explaining the impending disaster in a holding cell. There are three separate Slimer cameos, all of which feel shoehorned into the movie. Ray gets zapped by the big bad ghost again because his enthusiasm for the subject makes him the most vulnerable. The big bad targets Dana and a weirdo who spends the first half of the movie hopelessly hitting on her. The big bad sends the boys flying backward with a ghost blast that leaves them all groaning on the floor. Peter goads the bad guy. None of these choices are inherently bad, but they start to look weirder the more of them we put together.

It feels like they changed many elements of the first movie, but just enough to make it hard to say it's the same movie. Still, when you line up all those similarities, it's impossible to miss.

Just about every decision Ghostbusters II makes feels like a response to Ghostbusters or calculated audience pandering. One of the most-referenced scenes in the first movie was Peter getting slimed, so they slime everyone except Peter. The movie pushes much deeper into slapstick humor when compared to the original--for example, the scene with the haunted rail line with cheesy-looking heads on pikes and Winston becoming frazzled by a ghost train--rather than the dialogue-driven humor of the first. It all feels designed to make the movie broader and simpler for bigger audiences, whereas the original film was more ready to let audiences figure things out for themselves.

Old, but New Again

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The movie isn't all bad; I still love the characters and the world they've created. In some ways, the story feels really modern. Despite how successful the Ghostbusters appeared at the end of the first film--and the fact that all of New York witnessed it--there are still people in absolute denial that ghosts are real and that the Ghostbusters are anything but a hoax. It's not hard to draw a line to that in the modern news. But while there might be ideas that work in there, it's all that other stuff that feels so much more modern. The first movie was this huge surprise success, and suddenly a bunch of people felt like they needed to put their fingers into the Ghostbusters pie to make sure they made their money back. In the process, they created a dull copy of the original with all of the fun edges shaved off.

And it's a trend that continues in the new Ghostbusters movies. They start from the idea of trying to continue the legacy of the original four Ghostbusters but struggle with expanding instead of revisiting. Slimer shows up again in Frozen Empire. Paul Rudd and Carrie Coon's characters get turned into demon dogs. The Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man shows up over and over in both movies. It feels like "Remember what Ghostbusters was" instead of "What can Ghostbusters be?" The most recent Star Wars trilogy is less a continuation and more of a greatest-hits tour despite the new characters, spending time fighting planet-sized lasers, dropping AT-AT walkers onto white planets, and revisiting the twin suns of Tatooine.

Following the same beats doesn't ruin a movie all on its own, but it means that the rest of the movie has to be entertaining enough to justify it. Ghostbusters 2 is still fun thanks to the stellar comedy performances of its cast and the sheer power of the driving concept, but it's hard to see it as anything other than a retread.

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I was 13 when GB2 released and I thought it was disappointing. It was fun enough, but no where near what the original was. I saw the original 4-5x in the theaters (sometimes back to back with The Karate Kid) but once was enough for GB2. Even as a kid I felt like it was a cash grab. It seemed like the actors weren’t as enthusiastic and it just lacked the magic the first had. Plus the bathtub bending when the slime attacks always bothered me, the porcelain should’ve shattered!

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The point of this article is being missed, it's more nuanced than sequels are bad. Erik is saying that the sequels failed to expand the universe of Ghostbusters, hence the Star Wars sequel trilogy comparison.

This is also why he pointed out the original script and how it differed from the final draft. Dan Aykroyd wanted to explore other planets and dimensions and wasn't even in NYC. Personally I think Aykroyd's vision is way more interesting and would have created a much more diverse and unique world than what we ended up with. Instead of that, we have five films that essentially retread the same ground as opposed to fully fleshing out the Ghostbusters universe. We keep getting hints of what it could be when we could experience what it really is.

Don't get me wrong, I love the GB universe, always have, but I wholly agree with Erik in that the films barely tap the limitless potential it has to be truly extraordinary, which is something I've hoped for ever since I saw the first movie but we just never quite get there.

It's like seeing a great movie trailer and then you see the film, only to realize all the best parts were in the trailer, the whole experience was rather anticlimactic.

Hollywood largely likes to play it safe, milking the cash cow, maximize the profit margin with merchandise, rinse and repeat.

I'd mich rather see directors and writers be a bit more avant garde, run with the concept and create new worlds, e.g. The Frozen Empire, actually explore this world in the next film and not just leave at the 10 minutes we got to see of it in the latest film.

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So, the primary complaint is that it’s more of the same. That means that if you saw the second movie first, you would think that was the better one. So, that doesn’t make this bad. That’s the case with so many sequels. So often, the only reason people prefer the first movie to the second is literally just because they saw it first. There are so many movies that I’ve seen the second or third of first, and I liked that one more than the first, while most other people didn’t like the sequel. There are of course sequels that really aren’t as good as the first, but so much of the time, it’s psychological and the movies are equally good.

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I know you want us to like Ghostbusters (2016) but I assure you: That’s never going to happen.

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I think Ghostbusters 2 is almost a better watch. I love it. It builds on things and is just super fun.

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No one had ever created a "same as the first" sequel to a major movie that repeated the same elements and pandered with fan service until GBII, certainly not

Cannonball Run II

Grease II

Airplane II

Police Academy 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6

Beverly Hills Cop II

Caddyshack II

(Insert James Bond Movie)

None of these pandering sequels existed before Ghostbusters II.

It took me only a few minutes to build that list of easy targets.

There is an interesting history of repetitive sequels, and attaching the idea to the last movie you watched does injustice to the idea.

The history goes as far back as movies have existed, even if the first film to stick a number of the end was French Connection II in 1975 (after The Godfather: Part 2 the year before).

Also:

"It's not hard to draw a line to that in the modern news." - This might be the most clichéd thing to say in a review of an old film.

If you want to find a parallel, you can, because the idea was not new then and it's not new now. It says more about the writer than the movie.

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2 rocks, **** off

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I think gb2 was much scarier than the first. something about that painting.

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I agree with the general conclusion about Ghostbusters 2, but will go to the mat in defense of Peter MacNicol's Janosz.

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Ghostbusters 2 is fantastic! Has a lot of creepy imagery and hilarious moments that makes GH, GH.

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You shut your mouth, author. Ghostbuster 2 was phenomenal.

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@zerojuice: I agree and for me GB1 GB2 are classics as they both were produced in the 80s and all the originals were together in it as well. The GBs movies of today are juust a shell of the former movies but still was not that bad but not good.

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Ghostbusters 2: same movie but like... new uniforms?

Home Alone 2: same movie but in New York instead of Chicago

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Not going to defend GB2, it was not a terrible movie nor anywhere near as magical as the first.

But GB2 was not the first film franchise to add a 2 to the sequel (1957), nor the first to franchise it to death. From westerns, franchises, mafia, political, and comedies there were publishers, studios, etc all taking advantage of the popularity of the movie before it.

It was not like the cast or writers of GB 2 were lazy, greedy, or phoning it in, they were just not going to create a Godfather 2, from the uniqueness of ghostbusting, and "are you currently menstruating" jokes.

There are plenty of records, plays, and books, long before film that cashed in on the sequel franchise. Mass consumers can decide to watch or pass. The world simply does not hate sequels, or continuing franchises, (as seen by foot traffic). Many of us want that next amazing experience, including me, but many as well, just want to see that same thing they felt when they were young.

Life will go on.

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@jenovaschilld: I agree, but the first tends to be more of a classic than any that follows like Star Wars first three movies especially the first Star Wars as the special effects that was used was new and afterwards the novelty begins to wear off and for me the series became stale. I feel the same about GB series you can play the anthem song, but it is hollow now

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@jenovaschilld: This is absolutely true. The first film series to really put a death nail in trek was the original Planet of the Apes films. The first, much like the above mentioned Ghostbusters was an amazing and shocking film. It was a surprise hit that Rod Sterling treated as long form Twilight Zone when he wrote the script based off of the French Novel. But 20th Century Fox wanted to squeeze as much money from it and out poured for more with extremely diminishing returns. Ironically it was this quick turn around move from Fox that not only killed of the Apes series, but Sci-Fi in general and it became a genre that no one wanted to touch in the States. Until a bespectacled bearded 27 year old man named George walked into Alan Ladd Jr's office at 20th Century (for the umpteenth time after many rejections)

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@deckard26364: In Planet of the Apes' defense, though: Except for No. 2 (Beneath), the sequels were much more different from each other thematically than, say, GB 2 was to GB 1.

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@zmanbarzel: And this I agree with. They at least tried. But Fox tightened the budget on each and every one of them the less money each sequel made hampering the director's and writers. I actually like Escape From the Planet of the Apes a lot. The complete lack of budget made them creative and in turn made the film more personal and emotional concentrating on Cornelius and Zera (spelling?). It was a perfect example of less is more in film making.

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@deckard26364: Very true, forgot about PotA, great examples.

I was more thinking the Dale Evans and Roy Rogers movies ... singing cowboy movies. That they made, .... omg... 35 of the fu#$ers, woah, now that is cashing in on that cash cow... boy.

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