HBO Max Won't Remove Woody Allen Movies

I'm confused, how is keeping 6 movies on their service "allowing people to make their own informed decisions"? Do they honestly imagine people will watch these movies, and based on what they watched (which is completely unrelated to the charges against their creator) will decide "He can't be guilty because these are great movies!"

So I guess we should release Bill Cosby from prison because his stand-up special "Himself" was funny and influential to many of today's best stand-up comedians, or release Harvey Weinstein because his production company produced some good movies?

"these titles will remain available in the library to allow viewers to make their own informed decisions."

Weird, it’s almost like they’re treating me like an adult now lol

He leans in the correct direction politically, so he won't be canceled.

The art is not the artist. Woody Allen, like him or not, criminal or not, has created many critically acclaimed films in his long career, and has been an influence on movie making that will last forever. Even though I personally do not like his work, the fact is that he is good at what he does. His personal issues, however repugnant, can not erase that legacy of work. HBO is making the right call here, despite any allegations against him, his work should still be available to those who enjoy it.

I can easily separate a persons art or creation or work from their morals or lack there of. I mean take any Art history class, and you will see over time that many of the most popular art were basically under age girls, prostitutes, and under aged boys. Take Gauguin, Fragonard, Pierre, Renoire, just about any sculptors, russian Renaissance art, and pretty much anything Italian. It is not a slight, if it is always true.

So basically since what we consider all history of artwork for the last few thousand years has always been dominated by men, and often times about the taking advantage of underage children or vulnerable races of men and women. I am not saying all of it is.... but it is A LOT.

Here is a lovely, funny, article ... about understanding art and the fallible men who create it, and why people love it. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/hannah-gadsbys-douglas-art-history-explainer-1876869 and for those unable to read more then a a twitter length post, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEPsqFLhHBc&ab_channel=TheHollywoodReporter.

So when I see a Woody Allen film, or a Cosby show, do I feel like raping... hmm so far, NO. If someone wants to embargo anyone or anything for any reason.... more power to you. But that is to you or whoever you get to go along with it. I mean, I teach my children that what you see on tv, what you read, and who you hear - does not need to guide your morale compass nor does it glorify their immoral actions. Also that Cocoa Puffs won't necessarily make you go coo coo. Nor will Michael Jackson songs, celebrate sleeping naked with little underage boys.

If a person creates a form of art that is celebrating or encouraging the rape of your underage child or marrying your friggin adopted step daughter and taking naked pictures of her as a 56 yr old man- then yeah screw that, and keep it out of public light. But Annie Hall is not about any of that, and it is a pleasure to watch as anyone should get to. Although Manhattan ... is pretty telling about Woody Allen's age preferences.

The point is, you can enjoy a creation of art, literature, music or media (that often takes hundreds of people to create, not just one) without celebrating a certain person's criminal deeds. Now excuse me, I am going to listen to R. Kellys song 'I believe I can fly', while reading Cosby's 'Love an Marriage', all the while not raping anyone. Stunning, I know.

Woke-spot at it again.

Allegations are not facts, otherwise they'd be called facts.

When it comes to content, I couldn't care less about what a director/actor/musician has done. If you showed me proof that Patrick Stewart diddled, and then subsequently ate, 50 children it would make me hate him, but it would not change how I felt about Jean-Luc Picard one bit.

Farrow, who recorded her daughter saying these very disturbing things goes on to say at the end of the trailer that "it doesn't matter what's true, it matters what's believed". This really makes me wonder if she would be so vindictive as to lie and make her daughter lie about something like that. Which is actually not uncommon sadly.

Anyway, I won't be watching this documentary. The prospect of it going either way are both upsetting. And no conclusive result would just be frustrating.

It's funny how some companies pick and choose who to cast out based on allegations. Idk if Woody molested his daughter or not, and I don't care, but this is a clear case of innocent until proven guilty. However it seems with anyone else...anyone who's not as high profile or doesn't have the cash and connections to save their ass...they're immediately guilty until proven innocent (which at that point, innocent doesn't even matter, what's done is done) and they are completely cancelled, shut off, and blackballed from anything and everything. The double standard just absurd to me and the fact that they don't even try to hide it anymore is amazing.

I guess the keyword here is allegations. No real reason to pull anything until allegations are proven as fact if they don't want to. I'm making no comment on my take on how I feel about Allen here, but to yank stuff based on allegations in general could be considered a comment on a guilt that's unproven.