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Mass Effect Veteran Who Didn't Come Back For Mass Effect 3 Says Director Was "Not Particularly Happy With Me"

"Fallouts like that happen; it's just part of the deal."

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Composer Jack Wall wrote the music for Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, but he did not return for Mass Effect 3 and has not worked with developer BioWare since. What gives? We don't know the whole story, but Wall said in an interview that Mass Effect director Casey Hudson "was not particularly happy with me at the end."

Despite that, Wall told The Guardian he was "so proud" of the score for that game, going on to note that it received a BAFTA nomination, even if the game overall "didn't go as well as [Hudson] wanted." The music for Mass Effect 3 was written by a team including Sascha Dikiciyan, Sam Hulick, Christopher Lennertz, Cris Velasco, and Clint Mansell.

Discussing what sounded like a strained relationship with Hudson, Wall admitted, "Fallouts like that happen; it's just part of the deal." This type of working experience was a rarity for Wall, though. "It's one of the few times in my career that's happened, and it was a tough time, but it is what it is," he said.

As for Hudson, he left BioWare after the disappointing launch of Anthem. He started a studio that was making a new IP before the game was canceled and the studio shut down.

Also in the interview, Wall discussed Mass Effect 2's much-heralded Suicide Mission, saying helping put it together was the "biggest mind-f**king thing I've ever done in my entire life." He said the developers were "freaking out trying to finish the game," so he didn't have much help on the music side. But he praised the developers at BioWare for turning in something special in the end.

"They had to do a lot of massaging on their end in order to get it to work, but they did it … and the result is still one of the best ending sequences to a game that I've ever played. It was worth all that effort," he said.

After Mass Effect 2, Wall began his work on the Call of Duty series, starting with 2015's Black Ops 3. He also wrote music for Black Ops 4, Black Ops Cold War, Call of Duty: Vanguard, 2023's Modern Warfare 3, and Black Ops 6 most recently.

As for the Mass Effect series, BioWare is now working on the next entry in the franchise. The studio's last game, Dragon Age: The Veilguard, failed to meet EA's expectations, leading to layoffs.

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Casey Hudson screwed up ME3 so damn badly.

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I always felt ME3 not having Drew Karpyshyn as a writer is what really doomed it. The books he wrote for the universe were really good. And of course is involvement in Jade Empire / KOTOR... He was Bioware for me... soon as he left they started the slide

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@Ayato_Kamina_1: Drew Karpyshyn is kinda overrated, does well with worldbuilding but weak on character writing. And no, ME3 was the best written in the trilogy.

Jade Empire should have been written by Chinese writers. It really shows that Westerners wrote it and not in a good way.

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@texasgoldrush: I think ME3 was the best overall game in the series, but I don’t think it was the best written (except for the Citadel DLC, that’s maybe the best thing BioWare has EVER written). The last 15 minutes were … what they were, but beyond that, I think some of the plot threads set up back in ME1 have resolutions in 3 that feel a little forced. Like the quarians deciding right then was the time to start a war with the geth, or Mordin having a sudden change of heart on the krogan genophage despite all his well reasoned arguments for it why it was the right call in ME2. It felt like BioWare wanted to resolve all these major story threads but one game really wasn’t enough time to do them all justice.

ME3’s writing was, overall, pretty good, but I think ME1 is still the best written.

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@texasgoldrush: "ME3 was the best written in the trilogy."

Oh really? LOLLOLOLOLOL

Which part you love the most? The Reapers strategy? The giant dildo deus ex solution? Maybe the glowing kid at the end and his flawless logic (Trump style)... You guys are awesome...

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The music was one of the best things about ME/ME2.

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@xgalacticax: ME3's soundtrack though, is overall the best.

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I still remember the soundtracks to the first two games, but I can’t remember a thing about the third…so I guess Hudson screwed up by not retaining Wall.

That said, I don’t think his music would’ve made the train wreck that is ME3 any better.

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@Subterfuge said:

I still remember the soundtracks to the first two games, but I can’t remember a thing about the third…so I guess Hudson screwed up by not retaining Wall.

That said, I don’t think his music would’ve made the train wreck that is ME3 any better.

"Leaving Earth" "I Was Lost Without You" "An End Once and For All" "A Future For the Krogan" "Farewell and Into the Inevitable" are all very popular tracks from ME3.

And no, ME3 has the best story. ME2 actually had the worst.

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@texasgoldrush: "And no, ME3 has the best story. ME2 actually had the worst."

Come on, you can do it... Repeat and repeat... Reality is not real, reality is not real... maybe someone believe you...

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Wish he had told us more about this issue. Rarely do you hear about such a thing when it comes to music writers. For example, whatever your thoughts may be on Star Wars, I've never heard/read of anyone being dissatisfied with John Williams and/or his work.

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@jedijax: It certainly is a rarity. Not much chance of a story like this helping a composer's career. The only examples I can think of are Danny Elfman and Tim Burton, Stanley Kubrick dumping his composer (without telling him!) on 2001, and the Halloween H20 producers dumping that composer at the last minute and making a public thing of it (there's a DVD extra about it). If I were a composer (even John Williams), I'd keep my mouth shut.

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