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Nintendo NX Will Use Cartridges, Report Says

Nintendo's next console could use cartridges instead of discs, much like the 3DS.

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Nintendo's NX using cartridges has been reported in the past. Now, it sounds even more likely as the Wall Street Journal has heard from "people familiar with the matter" that the company's next console will pass on discs.

It's important to note that Nintendo's current handheld, the 3DS, also uses cartridges, meaning we could see something similar to that as opposed to the larger cartridges used by the Super Nintendo and N64.

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The main problem with cartridges is that they normally carry less data than discs--PS4 and Xbox One game discs can store up to 50 GB of data and often require further installs on the consoles' hard drives. It's currently unclear how much data an NX cartridge will hold, if real.

Other reports have said the NX is a powerful handheld device with detachable controller modules--these attach to both sides of the screen. Additionally, the system can be docked and used on televisions.

This news comes a day after Nintendo's latest Direct, which focused on the 3DS. Several games were announced including 3DS versions of Super Mario Maker and Yoshi's Woolly World, in addition to new Pikmin and Mario Sports titles.

The NX is expected to release in March 2017. The next games in the Legend of Zelda series, Breath of the Wild, is set to launch simultaneously next year on both the NX and Wii U.

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hmmm there hasnt been much news about nintendo lately... lets troll people! cartridges yea!!

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I'm glad that gaming is finally moving away from optical discs. It and the old HDD splatter drive has single handedly pushed gaming back 2 decades in terms of load times we must endure.

For those of us old enough to remember arcades. Back in the days there was no such thing as Load screens.

Flash forward 2 decades, we're all sitting around waiting for our Street Fighter V to load each and every single match. Its ridiculous how much we've digressed in the load times for gaming.

We went from zero, to increasingly longer load times each and every generation.

Either get rid of all HDDs in all modern gaming systems and replace them with SSDs or just get rid of optical discs period for gaming.

Glad Nintendo is making the first move.

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Somebody call regie and tell him that it's BAD idea .

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Why do they make it hard for themselves? now tell me which developers would want to waste money on cartdiges that would cost way more than Discs even -_-.

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@wexorian: Except they don't cost more (not in mass production anyway), can store the same amount of data and are significantly faster to boot.

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@wexorian: That's why they doing it nobody to make games for their console

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I'm actually ok with this...the cards are way faster than discs and the newer models are actually quite big (i read there are even a few 100GB prototypes) i'm not saying all is good with the NX, i'm just saying this could actually be a good thing in the big scheme of things, personally i'm more concerned about how the system is not even as powerful as the Xbox One.

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@madsnakehhh: considering everything is going digital and pre-installed, which is just as fast (if not faster) as a memory card. kinda a moot point over discs.

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Not sure why Nintendo is thinking core gamers would want a weak, mobile based thing instead of a traditional console. Nintendoh!!!

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Sounds refreshing to me.

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Kewl and all... but are they going to offer decent games? [And by "decent" I mean non-kiddie games.]

Not that there's anything wrong with kiddie games, but I'd like to see some adult stuff nome sayin?

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@deadpen: Or Nintendo could just, you know, actually make the base hardware powerful.

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@deadpen: we'd be paying at least double the amount games cost currently right now. Plus, I'm not sure it would work exactly like you're describing it would. Fusing the game port with a processing or video port hasn't ever actually been done. Not saying it couldn't in the future, but as of now, there's no such thing. They should just make a console with good hardware to begin with, problem solved.

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@deadpen: Nintendo isn't about that market. They make enough from handheld games to try new things. 3ds is wildly successful. NX doesn't need to be as powerful as Xone or PS4 because it's a different style of game. Nintendo style graphics look fantastic on systems that are "underpowered". There were some gamecube games that looked far better than Xbox or PS2 games at the time, because of the style they used. I do think Nintendo needs to open up to more 3rd parties, but I don't think anyone buys an NX to get ports of PS4/Xone games anyway.

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@deadpen: damn good my friend.

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@deadpen: you guys sure love writing these novels...

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Just use the dam USBSnx sticks, problems solved..

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This is like the 5th article I read about this. Who really cares just as long as the games are good

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The only way I see myself being remotely disappointed with it is if it doesn't have native 1080p for mobile play & if it doesn't support HDR. It would be cool if it had an OLED screen too

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@d_: Wanting 1080p on a mobile device is just stupid... You're not sticking this thing to your face, it will not look bad for normal use.

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@ArabrockermanX: no, most tablets are 1080p, including some that are a couple years old. There are 1440p + tablets as well, I don't think it's that hard. This isn't for the hardcore crowd, but I don't see how it won't be 1080p. Hopefully they prioritize gameplay over graphics to make sure the games run at 60fps, unlike the two new consoles, which have 30fps and below games.

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@ArabrockermanX: Um I practically will have it in my face since we're talking about a small mobile device. & there's already phones that are 1440p, so I don't think wanting 1080 is asking too much, & anything below that is behind the times & inexcusable. The more pixels per inch the better clarity & display...I think it would only start getting overkill at 4K for a phone or similar device. Everybody's eyes are different tho I guess... some ppl claim they can't tell the difference while a lot of others easily can.

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Nintendo, they are a tenacious company. Seeing that they've had some of the most bipolar sales in the game industry, I'm quite positive that most of these rumors are either false, or just a small piece of the whole package.

While handhelds may be booming in Japan, as the mobile market is strongest there, Nintendo will have to focus on their home console just as much to keep western consumers interested. I'm not speaking for everyone, but only committed Nintendo fans such as myself will be interested in the handheld aspect. Of course there will be some that take another chance for Nintendo, and a decent base of children who want the handheld, but the bottom line is, is that western society has become more of a market for core gamers. We want good hardware and frequent software development.

I won't mindlessly defend Nintendo's decisions, because i believe I speak for many people when I say that if Nintendo releases a mobile focused console, they will be alienating their western consumers once again. The sales on tablets and gaming tablets have declined steadily over the past few years, so I see these rumors as another Wii U all over again. Fans would argue that the Wii U flopped because of marketing. But I stand by the conclusion that the Wii U failed because of dated hardware, weak software showcase, and lack of dedicated online services. Not to mention the gamepad was very offputing for most gamers.

If Nintendo wants to attract both core and casual gamers, they will have to do something like make the NX an OS, supporting a platform for future devices. This hybrid console theory is nothing new..

I think Nintendo will be smart enough to sell their devices separately. But if the NX is one platform for all their devices, this will make it easier for Nintendo and third parties to do work with. It would also explain why Nintendo has merged their development teams together.

As a Nintendo fan myself, I don't want another gimmick, and I don't want another underpowered toybox. Nintendo makes good games, but they would be even better if they sported some impressive visuals that compare to something like Overwatch, a game that uses cell shading. A theme Nintendo has been using quite frequently.

End of rant.

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@thesadmagician: it's a comment section dude, not a venue for your gaming thesis.

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@Gravity_Slave: instead of trying to belittle me, how about you offer something of equal value? Or move along.

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@thesadmagician: lol oh you took that as belittling? Why so insecure? But I did offer something...a piece of advice to shorten your mini-"hey! I'm a writer guys!" Dissertation on a gaming comment section. How about you move along to the forums for that garbage. How's that for value?

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There is no storage advantage anymore with disks, they can do whatever they want.

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this just has "bad idea!" All over it. But then again, Nintendo has been full of them since the 90's

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They would be stupid to use cartridges. My bet is if anything they will be going all digital downloads with the NX.

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They would be stupid to use cartridges. *suggest idea infinitely stupider*

That's what you just did. Digital only would have this device dead on arrival.

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Nintendo is so backwards! Under-powered hardware. Total reliance on their legacy franchises. Desperate to use gimmicky hardware to get back on top. That it's a question of cartridges vs discs is proof of how outdated Nintendo's thinking is. It's like they're stuck back in the '90s.

Why aren't they giving the NX at least a 128 GB SSD to store games, and download games directly from the Nintendo eShop? It works great for Apple.

And if Nintendo wants to keep brick-&-mortar retailers in the game, they can setup a NX booth to play demos and just sell game cards in-store. Stores like BestBuy and Gamestop just have empty boxes or game cards on the shelves for the newest games; the games are locked up in a cage or behind the counter. So just selling game cards with scratch-off download codes wouldn't be much different than how it works now.

If the NX is to use any type of removable memory card, it should be for expanded storage, similar to how the PS Vita or Android smartphones work.

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@reavern: First of all, most AAA games nowadays are least 30-40GB or larger (ESO takes up 80GB of storage). 128 GB isn't even within the ballpark of 'enough storage'. I had to get an external 2TB HDD for my XBone after installing maybe 5-6 games on the default 500GB HDD. And frankly, SSDs that size are far too expensive. Secondly, the cartridges (if their are any) will use flash memory. Which, in mass production, shouldn't cost that much more than BRDs and will be faster as well. Thirdly, Apple's system only works because Appstore games are so small. Making a console designed to play AAA games but is download-only is a move rooted in complete and utter stupidity, as not everyone (read: no-one) has the kind of bandwidth needed to download, say, GTA V in a respectable amount of time (it took me about 13 hours on my PC).

Furthermore, expanded storage is actually what killed the Vita, as the Vita-only memory cards were too expensive. Thank god you don't work at Nintendo.

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@rangaman: There aren't going to be any 30-40 GB games for the NX, idiot. All the third-party AAA developers abandoned Nintendo after the Wii U was released because it was too under-powered and games like Call of Duty or Madden didn't sell well on Nintendo's consoles anyway. The only reason AAA devs bothered porting their games to the Wii was because it sold 100+ million consoles. The NX isn't going to be as powerful as the current PS4/XBO, so once again 3rd party devs aren't going to bother with it.

The largest game for the Wii U was probably Zombi U and the PS4/XBO ports were 20 GB, so the Wii U version was even smaller. Nintendo's franchise games like Mario, Zelda, Kart, Starfox, and Smash aren't even close to 20 GB on the Wii U. That's why my comparison to the iOS Appstore was apt, because NX games will be relatively small, because the NX is primarily a handheld platform, like the 3DS, that can connect to a TV.

That's why 128 GB would be adequate storage for the NX -- although more would obviously be better.

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@reavern: How's that word soup?

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@reavern: I think you're the one stuck in the 90's, carts vs disc is no where near the discussion it was in the 90s... At 50 GBs the cost of a cart is fairly comparable to disc.

Are you suggesting digital only for a game console? Do you not know how big games are? That 128GB SSD would be killed by around 4 games(give or take a few depending on size). Nobody would want a device where they had to constantly manage saved data and re-download games. It works great for Apple because the games aren't anywhere near 30GB's a game, hell most phone games aren't near 10GBs. One platform is trying to push games like Breath of The Wild, the other is trying to push games like Pokemon GO and Candy Crush...

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@ArabrockermanX: Tell that to Nintendo -- they're the ones who only gave the Wii U 8 GB of storage memory and the 3DS 1 GB internal memory. And Nintendo is the one who imposes a 2 GB limit of 3DS games, despite the cartridges can hold up to 8 GB.

In Nintendo's defense, their games are much smaller than other games, because they're so cartoony and outdated. 3rd party developers don't port their big new games to the Wii U, so there are no 30 GB games for Nintendo platforms these days. Nintendo's "biggest" games, like Zelda, are 5-10 GB max. 128 GB could hold 20+ Nintendo games. I'd prefer larger storage capacity, but Nintendo never does that -- they always skimp to keep the console/handheld's price as low as possible. So your issue is with Nintendo, not me.

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Please charge $100 a games and I will worship their marketing genius.

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This news comes as rather odd too me. I'm still trying to reserve judgement as best as I can.

I will say this: I do miss the "heft" in game packaging. Any gamer over the age of 30 will remember picking up their game from the store and feeling the weight of that Chrono Trigger, Legend of Zelda, or Super Metroid in their hands. As far as I was concerned, the man behind the slightly elevated plexiglass game counter was a wizard selling wondrous artifacts.

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@rawkstar007: Think SD card size unfortunately.

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For me the main downside that I could see to using cartridges is that the metal connections on the plug-in side can wear through. I have a few old carts that had occurred with, and as far as I know there isn't really a good way to fix those. It took a good number of years for those carts to get that way by the way so it wasn't a short term thing, and it was on the NES and Sega Genesis so the way the cartridges go into the console/system should hopefully be better by now.

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@Jarten: I guess they can make contacts that will only touch each other, instead of grind together... thinking of mag-safe contact on Macs, or how type cover connects to Surface Pro (both magnetic). Eventually, even standard connectors can work for ages - I don't remember USB plug going bad on me because of that, either on computer or USB device side.

Price is what worries me a bit more. 32GB USB flash-drives are quite cheap, but not as cheap as optical media... also, if you go cheap, you go slow just as well. But then again, it shouldn't add more than few $... unless Nintendo over-complicates it with some custom, copy-protected design like Sony's own memory cards for PS2 save and Vita media, which were significantly more expensive than other flash media of same capacity.

And then, there is reliability question. Blu-Ray disk, if you handle it well, can last, well... longer than console itself. Flash media is basically electronic device - it can get damaged with static charge, or even just die itself... I had a few flash-drives that have stopped working without any (obvious) wrongdoing on my side.

But... if this device ends up being some sort of desktop/portable hybrid, optical drives and media would be very impractical. Maybe this is behind their decision to go cartridge way...?

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As long as they make the same noise when you blow them clean I'll be happy

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Hmmm cartridges........Just seems so 80's again......cool

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I am sure a lot of fans will be disappointed when they released the console i remember when they announced project cafe and that will be very powerful like high end PC but when they release the console and when people learned the truth that even PS3 and 360 are more powerful than their console when they opened it anyway i think they doing that and because they don't want 3d party support

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@alan_wake1: Cartridges (specially those that are read-only) are much cheaper these days.

Also, the memory size (thus price) can be adjusted to whatever the game requires. For the Wii U, New Super Mario Bros. U took about 3 GB of data which is almost nothing in terms of production cost.

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@alan_wake1: First off, the 'Project Cafe' rumours were simply that: rumours. If you go around believing every single rumour you hear, you're going to be massively disappointed, regardless of what the final product is. Secondly, the Wii U is more powerful than the PS3 or the 360; you obviously haven't bothered to compare the specifications of all three systems.

If the system uses cartridges, it will only increase the data transfer speed; today's cartridges aren't the same as the ones in the '80s and '90s. The main problem then was capacity, and that issue has been rectified, as there are cartridges that hold 32GB and 64GB of space. Of course, we don't know what capacity Nintendo will use, IF they will use them as all, seeing as this is a rumour. Which leads me to my last point...

The ironic part is, you're acting as if certain NX rumours are completely true. Which is what you described others doing with the Project Cafe rumours, which turned out to be false. So, going by your logic, it seems we can expect a system that's more powerful than the PS4 and Xbox One, right?

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I don't care if the games come on a potato, as long as they make em great

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