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Phil Spencer Reacts To Redfall's Bad Reviews, Explains What Went Wrong

Spencer says he's upset with himself.

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Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer has reacted to Redfall's mixed reviews, saying he's disappointed with the game's rocky launch.

"There's nothing more difficult for me than disappointing the Xbox community," Spencer said during an episode of Kinda Funny's Xcast. "I'm upset with myself." Spencer also lamented the fact that Redfall was initially supposed to launch with 60fps support but only ended up supporting 30fps on console for now.

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As part of the discussion, however, Spencer also tried to explain what went wrong with the game's development. Spencer noted that he likes when developers step outside their comfort zone and try something new, with examples such as Tango Gameworks' Hi-Fi Rush, Obsidian Entertainments' Grounded, and Rare's Sea of Thieves.

Arkane Studios, the developer of Redfall and best known for its single-player games, was indeed trying something new by making an online co-op game.

"I want to give the teams the creative platform to go and push their abilities and aspirations," Spencer said. "But I also need to have a great selection of games that surprise and delight our fans and we underdelivered on that and for that, I apologize."

"This is one where [Arkane] didn't hit their own internal goals."

"We didn't do a good job early on of engaging with Arkane Austin to really help them understand what it meant to be part of Xbox. We left them to work on the game--they're a very talented team and I love that team--I still do."

Spencer explained that Microsoft should have stepped in to help Arkane much earlier on. "We should have been there for the team earlier. That's on us. We were too late to help. I take that as a learning. As painful as it is."

Spencer did mention that Redfall was much further in development when Microsoft acquired Bethesda (which owns Arkane). This is unlike Starfield, which was much earlier in development when the acquisition happened. Microsoft apparently worked much more closely with Bethesda during Starfield's development.

Redfall currently has a 62 Metascore on review aggregate site Metacritic, which is significantly worse than Xbox's recent first-party output. Microsoft currently has several first-party games in the works, with titles like Starfield, Fable, and Forza Motorsport in the pipeline for Xbox and PC.

"Ultimately, Redfall is a game that should not have been released yet. Its litany of bugs hampers the gameplay loop of exploring its world with friends, and that loop itself feels compromised by elements that are poorly executed and ill-suited to the team implementing them. I can't pretend to know whether Arkane chose to make a loot-shooter or was assigned to make a loot-shooter, but I can tell you what it feels like: one of the best game studios in the world suddenly made toothless," wrote Mark Delaney in GameSpot's Redfall review.

Redfall is available on Xbox Series X|S and PC now.

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Spencer has only had the job for 6 or 7 years, and been at Xbox for over 20 -- how could he be expected to know how to do his job ALREADY?

The guy has been the face of one XBox excuse after another for what has been a disaster over the course of his reign.

Think about it - XBox was ruling the industry during the XBox 360 era. Since Spencer came along XBox has embarrassed itself over and over. Whether it was making their flagship console a cable box (XBox One) or spending untold millions to buy Twitch streamers only to shut down their streaming service a few months later.....and then buying dozens of studios only to release terrible game after terrible game....when they are releasing anything at all, that is...

And Spencer is "mad at himself"

Yeah - he should be - and either he is merely the public face of a bunch of executives that are incompetent or he is the main incompetent -- either way - XBox would be bankrupt if not for Microsoft paying their bills.

They will continue to be a joke if nothing changes...and it sure doesnt seem like its going to...

In actuality, Spencer doesnt care about Redfall because he is never held accountable for XBox spiraling into dumpster fires. He just puts on one of his spiffy T-Shirts and the loyal fanboys cheer.

A garbage XBox is bad for gaming, so i want them to succeed...i just cant see how that happens as long as the same people, with the same bad ideas, keep doing the same things.

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Game is free what do you expect? Specially after the Halo release. Did you expect it to be a great game really?

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The shot callers continue to force unfinished and extremely buggy games out the door. I can’t believe companies still pull this crap on gamers and devs today.

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Peoples expectations are huge now after Elden Ring. it’s just not even close out there

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It's nice of him to apologize but it really is meaningless. It sounds like they knew the game was broken, buggy and just subpar in almost every respect. Instead of apologizing, stop releasing games you know are crap just to have something to release. You may be able to say you have a new game out but, when it turns out the game sucks and is riddled with bugs, it does far more harm than the flak you would have gotten for delaying the game for however long it takes to make it worth playing.

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His apology isn't helping. Between the lines it just sounds like they knew it shouldn't have been released in it's current state and they did it anyway. If you're gonna crap the bed deliberately don't grab a handful of it, show it to everyone and then try and apologize it off...not gonna work.

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Mark my words, The quality of games will get worst with Gamepass. Just look at Netflix. Quantity over Quality.

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@rolento25: Said that when gamepass was first announced. Gives the Devs a safety net. "oh well if the game sucks we can always sell it to gamepass/psextra."

Warned the same thing over 15 years ago when the whole ftp vs subscription model war was going on. FTP sounds good on paper but it is only going to kill the quality in games. And look at games today.

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@rolento25: I dunno about that. Their AA titles have easily been their best games. I don't know why games like Ori, Hi-Fi, High on Life, and Midnight Fight have more "oomph" to them-even if they aren't that great mechanically-than their AAA titles, but they do, and they should be focusing on that.

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What a shame i was looking forward to playing redfall with my friends but iit's unexusable to release such a mess as a result i ended my subscription to gamepass for the moment as theres nothing else i need from it right now. i Really really hope that Starfield is gonna do better.

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The issue is that Phil and Microsoft in general don't care about making great games, just the amount of games they could put on Game Pass. Their endgoal (since the Xbox One era really) has been about maximizing profit with little effort necessary through the means of live-service.

This whole "good-will" facade character he's been making will not serve the Xbox brand or their first-party titles for the better. His hands-off (and rather neglectful) approach in handling their studios and the hostile work environment has been biting them in the butt for years now. Yet his answer to all of this is just "smile and wave". What happened to the recent Halo game is an embarrassement and downright unacceptable for a flagship title, so it's not surprising that their other first-party titles like Redfall are flopping as well.

Game Pass may have a big gaming library for a cheap price but if this quality decline keeps up, it'll follow the same path as Netflix.

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@cboye18: Bingo. As soon as they said they didn't really care about consoles, I knew their priority was to leverage software and hope their superior Windows install numbers would prop up their flagging sales. Unfortunately, their "charge less and anti-compete until we win" approach isn't really working this time around because charging less doesn't work if everyone thinks your games suck.

And if you weren't certain about it before, they doubled down when they downsized their core studios so much their directors quit and then began talking about the glory of AI. Heck, they might see what I see: AI driven game development could spell the end of the traditional publisher model, so it's better to charge for the AIs than make the games.

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@cboye18: Phil has plenty of practice apologising in the last few years. Whilst I still have an average PC rig I switched to PS5. PS Plus Extra is really amazing. Like game pass there is a ton of games but there is some really good gems in there that arent day one but it would take you a number of mammoth gaming sessions to get through it all and by that time something else dropped in. Plus all the PS4 remastered stuff.

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@realitybites: Easier to apologize than to ask permission.

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@realitybites: You should have beefed up that average PC a bit instead of getting tied to some monthly service.

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@lonesamurai00: Prices for parts beyond "average" have gone through the roof lately. For the cost of a decent motherboard, he could get three years of PS Plus, whatever they offer-I dunno, I don't really care-plus the convenience of having a more reliable platform rather than waiting for a year's worth of patches for the PC editions.

Sorry, whatever price advantage PC had has long since left the building.

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@Barighm: Consoles also get some pretty jacked up games as well, of which I could never understand since they are all of the same hardware. If you think jacked up games are only on the PC, you should check the gaming news.

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@Barighm: I completely disagree with that, but If this guy would prefer to tie himself into some subscription based gaming platform then either of the console boxes is certainly the place to do it. His dough, not mine.

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@cboye18: Yep. GamePass is always referred to as “the Netflix of gaming,” and that is getting more and more true, because like Netflix, Microsoft is going with quantity over quality for GamePass. Phil always just puts on whatever face he needs to, to fit the situation. He has always seemed very disingenuous to me.

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@stickemup: Honestly, I believe Phil does care about what he does, but his hands are tied.

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No matter what Phil says, this just doesn't make any sense to me. You have to know as you are working on a project whether its working or not. The animation, or lack thereof? You know thats going to suck if you never actually have any. The horrible AI? And why HYPE it so much on Game Pass--did no one play it for at least an hour? Thats all it takes. Its too late for fixes. I'll have moved onto something else by then.

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@maxrenn: I do not think any amount of cooking would have made Redfall any better then what it was at a core level.... I agree with you, time to move on, and hope for better.

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@maxrenn: Im in same boat as you Bro. IMHO Phil 100% was aware as was Pete Hines @ Bethesda or whoever is running Bethesda publishing.

~There is no chance Phil Spencer isn't aware his Hyped expensive AAA Xbox exclusive isn't a empty nothing burger. Just like Sea Of Thieves & Crackdown3.

Xbox coulda demanded higher quality and delayed it but it's usually the Devs saying it's not ready and forced to release.

This realization is scary & depressing.

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To comprehend this in one go with out reading boilerplate GameSpot.

Microsoft inherited a turd in development that Bethesda created before the the new merger, another reason the CEO of Bethesda was crying to Microsoft for help.

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@Crazy_sahara: They do not have to release every single mediocre IPs, sometimes sending something back or taking and axe to it is the best course. Take the loss by not releasing, and invest heavily (not just money) into new projects. MS is the gate keeper to the console, and they should be more picky.

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Firstly i would say its good Phil didnt cancel the promised appearance at the Xcast show.
Many wanted to hear what the upper guys now think or do.
Still,no definiteve answer was given,just promises to learn from it.
One promise to support the game,fix issues,add 60fps and hopefully more content to fill the areas with quests,npcs and things to do, should be noted.
Some games got good after flat launches(No Mans Sky,Sea of Thieves,even F'76) and maybe Redfall is valuable enough to put time and money...even if its just to repair the image.
On other hand,money talks so they might also put the plug after some patches and sail away to another project.

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@sladakrobot: I told my wife this story and her instant reaction

was The Vampires took over as plot device to justify was the city is empty & void of life... This screams cost cutting cheap.

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@sippio: I hear you.
I mean Fallout had big lifeless areas but still mostly nailed the atmosphere

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it's no rocket science why this game failed. here is what you get for $70:

the story is stupid: in an island town they lie to a person that their blood can be a "cure" but their 0 negative blood turns people into a vampire and somehow it causes tsunamis. the hell? so some people don't leave the town and they stay to fight but where are government, soldiers and nuclear bombs? humanity's protection is up to some black girl who has a bat wow lol. and for some reason there are human gangs there. bruh why not leave the damn place when vampires are overpowered and hunt people lol. it's like they asked chatgpt to design a video game and it's called redfall lol

when you punch enemies from their behind they don't react at all. instead they yell "come out and show yourself" but they don't turn their back lmao

normally vampires are so powerful against a human but you can kill them just because they were intentionally made stupid. their AI is very awful

the map is extremely small and game is more like vampire version of dead island

the game using the goddammit DX12 therefore performance is dogshit. people should stop using DX12 and instead they should use vulkan and DX11

I have no idea if textures intentionally made to look like Minecraft or its an "artistical decision" lol

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@majikayo666: You literally lost every ounce of credibility as soon as you said "the game using the goddammit DX12 therefore performance is dogshit. people should stop using DX12 and instead they should use vulkan and DX11".

You're a f**king moron if you believe that. And everyone reading your post is now dumber for having read it.

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@zerojuice: He's right though. DX12 is routinely found to be the cause of numerous errors. Well, a few years ago, anyway.

*Someone else beat me to my second point

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@zerojuice: but it's the truth lol. with such a comment you showed you have no idea about performance issues in games regarding DX12 and you know nothing about DX12 therefore your comment has no value especially when you insult instead of making an explanation on why I'm wrong lol

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@majikayo666: I don't understand why the "some black girl" part of your comment was included. Could just say some random people. Making a point to say black sounds strange. Not racist but when people throw the race of someone into it, it screams of prejudice. But whatever.

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@noodles227: "black" here is an adjective. the point of an adjective is to give information as I give vital information about the main character who is like the leader of the resistance against vampires as I give information about the game. by your logic I had no reason to write "...who has a bat" as well as "0 negative blood". you are being racist to even focus so much on race of a person. you have no reason to focus on it when you are not racist. in reality if she was white I would write white instead because I give vital information about an important character so readers can have a clear picture about the character. do you call writers racist when they mention the character they created is a black character?

but I also personally think the black girl character being so important in the story seems like SJW BS which is actually racism when you try to seem like "this gender and race important too". for no good reason every media Americans create shows off importance of black people and women but why not asians? these days basically every important and leader characters are black lol. for me this is racism against other races when you think a race is important as much as other race when in reality race doesn't matter and everyone is a people regardless of their skin color they did born with

however my point was how some person with a bat is the only hope of humanity which is stupid. the person being black or a girl is just adjective to make people learn what the game is about

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@majikayo666: "you are being racist to even focus so much on race of a person."

He said before writing an essay about it...

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@majikayo666: I know what an adjective is. I would've said the same thing no matter which race you had picked to mention. The race of the character isn't vital information. Really it's completely irrelevant in the case of this game. Saying woman with a bat make sense because it can be read as a joke. Someone fighting off vampires with a bat. As is the blood type maybe having some part with the vampire theme. The race has nothing to do with anything in this game.

If you had said some girl that likes pizza for example same thing applies. Useless information but it can be taken as a joke, because there are no real life parallels of liking pizza being an issue. But race obviously does. I'm not mad about it or anything. I just sometimes mention it when I see it. Sort of like when someone's great grandfather calls their grandsons girlfriend oriental lol. It's like yea we don't really do that anymore, just saying.

Way to make it look worse for you though by right after claiming there was a point to it, saying that you get a sense of SJW stuff from that character specifically. I don't think you are racist, though you could be I dunno. Just saying that calling out the race of a person in a description makes it seem like you view certain people different than others by default.

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@noodles227: TBH I see "black, white, asian" as culture but not race at all. I also saw it genetical differences that reflects on their personality. there are things you would expect from a black person but you wouldn't expect the same thing from a white person. in that regard "black, white, asian" makes you know about the person in a better way. also in a way a black person with a bat already seems like how racist the game company is by making a person seem primitive and to justify they are primitive they made the character black. in lots of medias a black person tend to use brute weapon so with such a character I make a point on how else the game is stupid. the year is like 2023 but a person protect themselves with a bat when you can protect yourself with a firearm like rest of the people yet whoever designed the character seem like seeing black people as primitive and stupid that much. so instead of focusing the way I share information you should see the BS developers did which what I'm mentioning. what you doing is like I'm a history professor and in the class I say "hitler ordered jews to be genocided" and you are like "why not say he ordered people to be genocided why you make it about race". can you see how "reading between lines" is so important and the meaning behind the words doesn't depends on you but depends on the person they use depending on the context

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@noodles227: prejudice is a form of racism. Just saying. Also seems odd to out the only black character..

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Arkane makes good games. Often really, really good games.
The fact that this one was such a disaster,
tells me that they were probably pushed into doing something they,
a) didn't have much experience in,
b) didn't really want to do in the first place, and
c) probably weren't given the necessary time and/or resources for,
especially when you see a lot of bugs from a dev that doesn't have a reputation for
bugs.

Publishers often like to hide in the background and push blame onto devs,
and make them sign NDA's so they can't talk about what really happened,
but the publisher is half of every game.
We all read how psychopathic Marty Stratton was towards Mick Gordon on Doom Eternal.

Phil is apologising here, but if you look at what he's apologsing for,
he says his crime is that he “didn't step in to help Arkane sooner”.

I bet if you had a project lead from Arkane openly speak his mind
you'd learn that the timeliness of the assistance from Microsoft/Xbox,
was the least of their pressures.

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@naryanrobinson said:

I bet if you had a project lead from Arkane openly speak his mind

you'd learn that the timeliness of the assistance from Microsoft/Xbox,

was the least of their pressures.

No need. We've had the leads from other studios like 343 speak their mind and they're consistent with their criticism: MS has a mismanagement problem.

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@naryanrobinson: Yeah does seem like he's throwing them under the bus a bit.

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If the game wasn’t buggy it would still be a POS. Are gamers actually clambering for more uninspired looter shooters?

Open world RPG with a killer story and a decent combat system. Skyrim, GoT, RDR2, Witcher 3, BotW, Elden Ring. There’s likely at least 3 games on that list that’s on most peoples top 5 lists. Make more of those. Even the bad ones like AC Valhalla make a ton of money.

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@Baconstrip78: BL 1+2 was pretty fun

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@Baconstrip78: Skyrim and “decent combat system” do not belong in the same paragraph.

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@kirkalbuquerque: If you just swing <insert melee weapon type> all day long, sure, it's a very un-inspired combat system.

But if you use melee, mix in magic or ranged attacks, and use your shouts as a combo system to take out your enemies (which would ultimately make you OP but you must not know that since you think it's not a decent system); it definitely qualifies as a "decent combat system".

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@Baconstrip78: gonna have to agree with ya. Even with polish the game fails to standout amongst it's contemporaries. It will be worse than borderlands and fallout no matter how many patches they throw at it. I'm just glad most of us dodged the bullet and tried it on gamepass if anything. To those that preordered it and actually paid, I salute you.

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