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Rock stars technology is mind bogeling. rag doll physics. npc interaction rain that creates puddles. awesome unscripted ai. the source code for gta4 did make this game a winner i guess it was up to the design team to make that master piece.

If you're a pc gamer, then being a producer or developer or even reviewer suddenly blow out the door You give a pc gamer a (console) for month and he/she would have felf imprisoned on why the hell all the 4 walls suddenly feel closed cheap and goey that's the problem all developers have lost their way while coding for pc market they PREFERE SLEEPING IN "consoles" "Valves successful mainly for sleeping in pc market" plus they know their own architecture. pc gamers are tough croud to please rather then a console gamers.... It also depends on the age too! younger gamers will play anything and will look back on that as best game ever when infact it was piece of ???? or just simply compare it as nothing then another version whith out looking at what makes the game a true master piece. And plus the demands for games have become harder then ever when you dwell back too 80's not every ones the same nor will every one want the same game. conceptual ideas leak like a bad smell with developers But even if red dead redemption was an exclusive for pc market that wouldn't mean a god dam thing except that developer rock stars one good developer that's really true to their ART. Red dead redemption never had clue if this game was gonna survive but i felt like a child in candy store all over again. i rarely get that way with games that are at master piece status.

@Gelugon_baat Well, OK. then.

@SciFiRPGfan [quote="You"]How can I be sure that even developers themselves have the highest respect for these awards if they don't mind attending other events but not this one?[/quote]

I suppose that you are referring to famous developers like BioWare? Then I would remind you that such developers - owned by their publishers - are not their own bosses.

You suppose that they did not attend the GDC because they may not have respect for it, but I can also suggest that they did not attend because their corporate masters told them not to. After all, the GDC does not exactly have a very strong presence of publishing giants. Even if they are there, they are there for product promotion.

Yes, I am suggesting issues of industry politics. That is what you have inadvertently suggested too.

Like I have said before, awards that are decided by deep passion - and not of the superficial sort - of games and actual intimate knowledge (that goes beyond the profitability of a game) are awards that are more dignified.

@SciFiRPGfan [quote="You"]Isn't it ironic than, that players' awards winners are probably better indicator of what the future games would look like?[/quote]

Awards decided by consumers alone are essentially popularity contests. When such awards can be affected by << LINK REMOVED >>, these awards are tainted with votes that are cast without considering the merits of the other contenders.

I don't find that suggestion of yours ironic; I find it disappointing if consumers' awards are to be considered the final say.

@SciFiRPGfan [quote="You"]sometimes they pick games (Katamari, Okami or even Limbo) the qualities or characteristics of which most of them do not even bother to follow or improve in their own games later.[/quote][quote="You"]I bet most of them would again mimic or use mechanics/styles used in more popular/commercialy more successful games (i.e. the games which usually win various players' awards).[/quote]

What game developers make, is ultimately for them to decide. If they want to copy what others have already done and endure the criticism of being copycats, that's for them to decide. If they want to use game mechanics that have been proven to be a hit and sell well among consumers, that's for them to decide.

In other words, in actually making games, game developers have to balance their convictions/policies/beliefs with the need to make money. However, awards - especially the GDC, their elitist club of sorts - give them the opportunity to examine games that they and others have made and then select the ones that pander to their convictions/policies/beliefs the most, without having to worry about any commercial/fiscal ramifications.

@Gelugon_baat Well, you are starting to convince me. :) But before I give up. :P

@SciFiRPGfan [quote="You"]However, playing games is all that matters for the players and even reviewers. And it is these two groups, who determine the success of games - future of developers.[/quote][quote="You"]But that means developer's opinion is pretty unique and hardly can be used as general indicator, let alone the ultimate one.[/quote]

That refers to the commercial/proliferation success of a game - not the conferment of awards. What developers think of games would of course not immediately translate to commercial/proliferation success.

I would not consider publicity to be the main equivalent of prestige - especially when the AIAS has plenty of backing from << LINK REMOVED >> and << LINK REMOVED >>.

I would instead consider an event/organization's adherence to the main theme of game awards to be more important in assessing its (perceived) prestige, and this theme is deep passion for games and intimate knowledge of them. No other stakeholder in the industry would have more of either than game developers themselves.

[QUOTE="Gelugon_baat"]but if you are considering an organization to be as prestigious as it is old (as your first response to me suggests)[/QUOTE]

@Gelugon_baat Well, I couldn't find credible source too, just one << LINK REMOVED >> on IGDA's website, which is some kind of partner organization.The rest were dead links.

Im so glad Blops Did not win a single award

@SciFiRPGfan I doubt that a game that "failed with players completely", e.g. a game that was widely regarded by industry stakeholders to be a failure, would be selected by developers to win awards. I have yet to come across any such example. Games that some consumers find "completely failed" them, on the other hand, are a different matter. They don't like these games, but that doesn't mean others don't like it either - that includes game developers too. Again, I would repeat that game developers are the ones who make games, play them, promote them and provide support after release. They are the ones who know games best - hence my assertion that their votes are the most valuable, even if the weight of these votes is the same as those of others if the awarding process also considers votes not from game developers, e.g. the AIAS Awards, which also receives votes from publishers (who are not likely to know games better).[quote="You"]...the Spotlight Awards started in 1997 which is still one year later than AIASA...[/quote]

If you would check the official source, << LINK REMOVED >>. If there were some in 1997, I cannot find any official source.

Like you said, it should not matter who dished out awards earlier - but if you are considering an organization to be as prestigious as it is old (as your first response to me suggests), then the GDC is older.

@Gelugon_baat Wow thank you for a nice post.:) Just few remarks.

@Gelugon_baat Wooooooww that is the longest quote i have ever seen on a news story on GameSpot.

@SciFiRPGfan

That the Academy of Interactive Arts and Sciences Awards are likened to Oscars by experienced industry watchers like Ricardo Torres meant that the AIAS awards are more representative of the industry as a whole, that I would concede.

However, I would not say that such wider representation means better-deserved awards; to me, it just means that more opinions went into giving these awards - opinions that may not be as well-versed as those of game developers themselves.

The AIAS is founded in 1996. The GDC has been around since 1988, when it was known as "CGDC" before it made a formal name change in 1999.

Game consumers should know that the GDC Awards are voted on by game developers themselves and mainly so for their own appeasement. They are not meant to make anyone else, including game consumers, feel good about themselves.

True, then they are best off expressing their opinions about games by writing reviews or putting money where their mouth is. Criticizing awards in which they are not supposed to have any clout is just unfair complaining.

The ppl who continue to spam that RDR is just GTA in the old west obviously have never spent any serious time with the game....and thus: should not be posting opinions about it. I played both ME2 and RDR, and RDR is the only one of the two I continue to put into my machine from time to time to revisit. Now, ME2 was an amazing game.....and an amazing experience. But it was a one or two playthough game for me......a great cinematic experience, but not one that encouraged me to experiment and experience every little detail. The story was amazing, but it glazed over the importance of the gameplay. RDR did something similar while keeping the gameplay at the forefront. THAT'S why I preferred it.

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Go Indie!

@cdoggmaximus973 just because it had the same controls and was a sandbox doesn't mean it was exactly alike just because its a sand box and they use controls that work and have won them many awards twice they should not be penalized for that and weather you like it or not it is the game of the year so the people at rockstar obviously made a good choice. and even if people keep believing its exactly like gta4 so what it works people love it and it will keep winning them awards

@Gelugon_baat 1. Well, what about AIAS(A)?

Go minecraft! Go minecraft! One of the most epics games and it only just entered alpha... I'm so looking forward to seeing it finished!

Now make a version for PC!

@keelo88 No. Just no. I've played both and no :p

Well deserved result. And that's the end of it.

Red Dead deserves these wins, Minecraft too. But I think Minecraft has a far more important lesson for developers. Graphics should always be a distant second to gameplay.

@SciFiRPGfan I agree 100% that it should have went to ME. I'm a little biased though as I love ME and everything about it. ME1 was my favorite game until ME2 came out. In general I think RDR got more credit then it deserved. Then again I haven't played the game which is why i said I think. From the gameplay footage I've seen it looks like GTA 4 in the west. Not that it's a bad thing because GTA 4 was also one of my favorite games. Then again I guess a similar perspective could be used with ME1 and ME2 so what do I know.

I say, the votes of game developers themselves are the most valuable of all kinds of votes that go into award-giving events for video games. Game developers are the ones who know best about making games and playing them - not consumers, not reviewers, not publishers. And because of this, I say, GDC's awards are the most justified. To those of you disputing the results of this award-giving event, I say, you are just complaining because the game that you like didn't win the awards that you would want them to win.

@thewwwyzzerdd don't play them buddy it's that simple. I agree GTA4 was over rated and didn't warrant a ten but it was still a great game for a lot of reasons. I haven't touched it for over a year and recently started it again with my Astro A30's and its awesome. I'm picking up things I completely missed re: sound alone and those small details are what make rock* great. I didn't buy RDR until 6 months after release and was a bit sceptical re: the hype hence the delay in purchase but I can safely say it's one of the best games I've ever played period. It just covers so much territory. Story, character development, variety, graphics, sound, it does it all. Sure it gets a bit repetative but what game doesn't? I love the Assassins Creed series, probably the best new IP in a decade but, it still doens't have that polish or R*'s RDR. I'm not R* fan boy either - but they know how to creat worlds that I feel I'm a part of and most other games just don't do that.

god im so tired of these rockstar games sweeping award shows... they really arent that good. thats why a few months after they come out people stop talking about them. i mean gta 4 got straight 10s from almost every review site (which was a total joke) and who still plays or cares about that game? nobody.

koospetoors: Go.buy.a.damn.xbox360.or.a.damn.ps3. Sir/Ma'am.

Both games were outstanding, but the technical prowess of RDR's design and game engine is what landed it the award. But alas, the haters just don't get it. ME2 is a roller coaster....RDR is a whole amusement park. Take that analogy however you wish.

AC brotherhood is above red dead believe me who ever didnt play its one of the best games ever and ever !!!

@Egotte If you don't think Red Dead Redemption deserves the praise it's getting, I'm afraid you probably missed the point of the game.

the best prize for........for doing whatever. and the winner is.. not sony, just because it doesn't smell like micro$oft. my opinion

I've p[layed both ME2 and RDR, ME2 is miles better. I've played RDR, and it's pretty darn over rated.

GTA put into a western skin.. if it's by rockstar then it's promising to be a GREAT game, I loved it, thanks again rockstar

Good job R* SD. Well deserved. :)

it would be even better if they released it for pc. ;)

@The_Gaming_Baby: Mass Effect 2 is better... :))) kidding... I haven't played RDR because I don't own an Xbox, but instead I played every Bioware RPG and I know they'll always win the "Best Story" award. I hope RDR gets a PC version in order to get an objective opinion on the 2 games and finally decide which one is better.

ROCKSTAR.

no award for god of war 3. noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

no surpise here.

*Best Visual Arts* to game that's mostly black and white... I get the "arsty" side of it but shouldn't that award go to, oh I dunno a game that WAS visually outstanding ie:- AC: B or RDR

let me guess, people are going to say Mass Effect 2 is better?

RDR is Great game and totally not overrated. but I think ME2 deserves the game of the year more.

Bad Company 2 had indisputably better sound than Red Dead. Just sayin'.

Those awards are a bit disappointing. Oh well.