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Sony Won't Refund PS4 User Who Lost $600 From Hack [Update]

PlayStation firm only offering $150 in PSN credit; Account will be banned if dispute is raised with bank.

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Update: Sony's escalation team has decided to pay a full refund, in this case. It is unclear whether the company will make any broader changes to its refund policies.

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Questions have been raised over the standard of Sony's customer services after it was discovered that the victim of a PlayStation 4 hack would not be fully refunded the $600 that was stolen from him.

"The Sony representative told me that they are only permitted to refund up to $150"

Reddit user Kadjar

A Reddit user, going by the name Kadjar, explained that he awoke on Wednesday morning with a series of email alerts stating that about $600 of content had been purchased through his account. He also discovered that his PlayStation 4 has been deactivated from PSN and another system, of which the location is unknown, has seized control as the primary system on the account.

Having spoken to Sony customer services on several occasions throughout the day, his criticisms of its response was summarized accordingly:

  • Sony will only refund $150 of the $600 that was taken.
  • The money will be in PSN credit, and not refunded into the bank.
  • If the user escalates the payment dispute with his bank, his account will be banned.
  • If his account is banned, his purchased licences for games, such as The Last of Us Remastered, will be wiped.
  • If the licences are wiped, there is no way of restoring them.

The user's PlayStation 4 cannot be designated as the primary console for another 6 months, meaning it is locked out of the account until then.

If a PlayStation 4 loses its place as the primary console, users must wait six months to reverse the policy.
If a PlayStation 4 loses its place as the primary console, users must wait six months to reverse the policy.

Readers on Reddit have voiced outrage at what they consider poor protection from account hacks. Others have urged that this story highlights how important it is that users protect their account with a very strong password, due to the lack of protection should something go wrong.

GameSpot has contacted Sony to discuss the matter or provide some clarification.

Kadjar has published images of his online chat with Sony customer services, and highlights three other cases where users have complained about similar issues.

His post reads:

"This morning, I started receiving emails indicating a number of purchases on my PSN account. As the transactions came in, one-by-one, it became immediately clear that my account had been hacked. I immediately logged into PSN and removed my card from the account, changed my email and password, and simultaneously launched support chats with both Sony and my bank.

"The Sony representative told me that they are only permitted to refund transactions of up to $150. He also informed me that I could dispute the charges with my bank, but by doing so, my account would be banned from PSN. As a result, I would permanently lose all of my purchases, including the Last of Us Remastered.

"He also informed me that my existing PS4 had been deactivated from the network this morning, and that a new one had been activated. When I asked him to deactivate that new, mystery PS4, he said he could not. I then turned on my PS4, logged in with my new credentials, and attempted to activate my PS4 with my account, but it informed me that I could not activate it as long as there was another PS4 bound to my account.

"I called customer support, hoping for some clarification. The agent informed me that there is indeed a refund investigation underway, but that it will be limited to $150, and that it would be credited to my PSN wallet, not my bank account.

"Furthermore, my account will not be able to activate a new system for 6 months, per Sony policy. I'm completely locked out of my own account until that date. I then asked about what would happen if I got my bank to reverse the charges, and he informed me that it would result in a banned account. I asked if there would be any way to restore my purchases, and he told me that there would not be, but I 'only have the Last of Us and a couple of the monthly free deal games,' so it's not a big deal."

Several Reddit users have offered Kadjar copies of their games, which he has thanked them for, but declined.

"My goal here is bring attention to a few of Sony's bad customer service policies in the hopes that they'll change them," he said.

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So you're telling me that any BS that happens because of Sony's negligence in online protection of a user's account is on that poor user and not the prestigious company in first place?!! GREAT!!!

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<< LINK REMOVED >> No what they are saying is what they are not saying - that the service rep didn't give enough information to the user, who will, actually, get a full refund if the investigation turns out in his favour.


The user is crying wolf.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> The user was in a frenzy about getting robbed for 600, being told he will get 150 back and as far as he knows only being told a investigation will be done. It said nothing about getting a full refund at the end of it either. That's not crying wolf in the slightest

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> It said all funds would be given back. It's not 100% clear, but that suggest 600 and not 150.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> But it's not that clear though. The support said specifically that 150 was the max amount that can be given. Nothing was actually said that leaned towards the full amount of 600 being refunded. If you re read it you will actually see that after he says the 150 limit that they will do an investigation meaning that the full amount of 150 would be deposited AFTER the investigation is done. Support guy is pretty slick with it if you look at the way he responds. He agree's with essentially everything AFTER he establishes the 150 and just continues to roll with it.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Exactly.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Don't know what you're talking about since he clearly mentions that they're saying that if he's proven right, only then he'll get just a $150 refund and even that would in the form of PSN credit.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> You should read that convo again. Because it CLEARLY states that he WILL get a FULL refund, if proven so...

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<< LINK REMOVED >> I have read it more than once and here is what I extracted out of it:

"The refund amount over-exceeds $150 which is the max we can give."

"If your refund is granted, all funds will go to your wallet"

then again

"If your refund is approved, all funds will go to the credit card"

It appears the CS rep was confused himself as to what to tell him. The only thing he was sure about was that they could only return no more than $150. So if this issue gets heated further on the internet, then they might return his full money to his bank account, otherwise they'll act according to their BS policy, no matter what.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> A LOT of companies and businesses are on that BS. I'd NEVER thought that Sony would be one of them.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Me too.

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If anyone should sue, it should be Sony suing Gamespot for slander...

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Sony is becoming worse day after day with its products and services. First the low quality LCD TV's and now playstation. Sony never care about customers.

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They also told him if the investigation rules in his favor then the money will be refunded in full, But to his PSN Wallet, Not his Credit Card.


Rofl, so their idea of a refund is putting all your money in your PSN wallet so you can only buy their games. Totally Crazy.

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Hopefully they don't just give him back the rest in PSN Credits or something is wrong with Sony customer support lol.


Giving him 150 back in PSN store credit when it came right from his Credit Card,not his PSN account wallet, is just plain wrong.

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He can de-activate the other PS4 and activate his PS4 without waiting 6 months - you just have to login at Sony Entertainment Network's website.


Overall, it's a bad situation to be in and Sony should do what it can to help him get his money / keep his content, etc. But why isn't GameSpot aware of SEN's site allowing us to activate / deactivate?

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Dude you missed the point. The refund their giving him is not even back to his Credit Card, Their are going to refund it all to his PSN Wallet, that is not a real refund, as you have to spend it all on the PSN store.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> The refund WILL be going into his debit card when the investigation is complete. The $150 is the max they can deposit into his wallet.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Why is that? Is that to deter theft? Oh wait.

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did no one read this: << LINK REMOVED >> The customer service rep not only says that if the investigation proves the users account was hacked they will refund him, they will refund his credit card in the full amount... they will give $150 to his psn wallet right now as a courtesy...the $150 is not the only amount sony is willing to give back... the investigation has to prove that the account was actually breached and not just a false claim... if sony just gave the user $600 all because he "says" someone took it and there wasn't any proof or investigation, they may as well just give us all free consoles and games as well, because someone "took" ours... I mean, peoples word is credible alone nowadays,....right? this article did exactly what it was intended to do,...it showed exactly how much attention is given to detail, and also the lack of it,... how much animosity people really have in them, and the sense of entitlement many seem to have about receiving things all because they just,...should... i guess, thats what happens in a world where morals, values, and common sense are considered archaic, asinine, and dead.... hmmm well, what should we expect when we have an information super high way in palms of our hands, and yet all we are concerned about is how many likes we get on facebook, and how many followers on twitter,... smh,... God helps us

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How greedy can they be?

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If the fraud is confirmed by the investigatio Sony should totally refund him. Protect your customers

This is blackmail not good at all

"He also informed me that I could dispute the charges with my bank, but by doing so, my account would be banned "


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<< LINK REMOVED >> Did you even read the convo? The rep literally says he would get a full refund if the investigation proved him right... But this dude went on reddit and whined the same effin day!

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> They said if it was proved right the full amount would be refunded to his Wallet.


That would be his PSN wallet they are talking about, as i don't think Sony has the power to teleport money to customers actual wallets yet.


So the money he is refunded he can only spend on virtual food i guess.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> You clearly didn't read it either. The rep says to the CREDIT CARD! Is it that hard to understand?

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> You cannot read can you?


Clearly says Wallet you moron.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Are you fucking stupid, it does not say credit card. Says WALLET GO READ THE SHIT>

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> He didn't, and it looks like GameSpot didn't either. lol

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<< LINK REMOVED >> I don't think he clicked on the links at all. because the reddit user seems to have purposely went online to rally negativity, and gain an audience for his troll,... the troll is hungry, and they are feeding it...smh

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oh look at that.

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Lesson? ALWAYS buy physical copies and NEVER put any card credentials on PSN or XLive just use one of those topup cards if you have to....

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If this happens to be true, Sony Is going to be sued big time.. That's horrible customer service and a bad Policy...

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Sued for what? Wanting to investigate that this dude isn't lying? Giving him full refund if he isn't? Oh wait... you didn¨t read it, did you?

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Pretty sure it's covered in the EULA and the guy accepted those terms. So even if he did go to court he wouldn't have much of an argument.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> No it's not covered in the EULA. this is on Sony and they will lose in court.

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Sony Fail. Lawsuit inc 3, 2 ,1......

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The amount of stupidity, hypocrisy, logical fallacies, and missinformation in this article, this whole event, and this comment section is sad.


The gaming industry has turned into a cesspool of double standards and missinformation. It is turning into a joke because the gaming media is a joke. They care more about views than integrity.


Who is this reddit user who posted this?

Is this anonymous reddit user actually giving the truth about the incident or did he/she missinterpret the Sony rep?

Where is the proof that this reddit user was hacked? Did the user set this up or was the account phished?


So basically this article is a FUD article meant to draw in clicks.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> People would rather throw around insults like "PS drone" rather than do their own due diligence and research the situation. If they had read the ENTIRE conversations, and not just qualifying snippets that fit their agenda from the chat log, it would be a different story. This is a terrible click bait article and the worst kind of sensational journalism.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> SOE in kahoots with Square-Enix give paying customers the shaft with simple log in `issues` to games such as FF14 online. So it`s not surprising, PS drone.

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Come to XBOX......Bill Gates has 600$ you can have!!!!!

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Then why does Microsoft refuse to give refunds or give back accounts when accounts get stolen or hacked on Xbox Live?


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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Last time I checked they did. Sorry nice try.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Last time I checked, they didn't. Sorry, nice try.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Nope sorry they do. FACT


Source :Me.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> No they don't. It's been a major problem on Xbox Live and Steam for many years. They refuse refunds and help for stolen accounts. Nice try.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> wrong. i had my account hacked a year ago and I got everything back. also, got 3 month xbox live code

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Only to actual Gold members who pay for their Xboxl live content they do. Not sorry, LAME try.

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