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Sony Won't Refund PS4 User Who Lost $600 From Hack [Update]

PlayStation firm only offering $150 in PSN credit; Account will be banned if dispute is raised with bank.

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Update: Sony's escalation team has decided to pay a full refund, in this case. It is unclear whether the company will make any broader changes to its refund policies.

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Questions have been raised over the standard of Sony's customer services after it was discovered that the victim of a PlayStation 4 hack would not be fully refunded the $600 that was stolen from him.

"The Sony representative told me that they are only permitted to refund up to $150"

Reddit user Kadjar

A Reddit user, going by the name Kadjar, explained that he awoke on Wednesday morning with a series of email alerts stating that about $600 of content had been purchased through his account. He also discovered that his PlayStation 4 has been deactivated from PSN and another system, of which the location is unknown, has seized control as the primary system on the account.

Having spoken to Sony customer services on several occasions throughout the day, his criticisms of its response was summarized accordingly:

  • Sony will only refund $150 of the $600 that was taken.
  • The money will be in PSN credit, and not refunded into the bank.
  • If the user escalates the payment dispute with his bank, his account will be banned.
  • If his account is banned, his purchased licences for games, such as The Last of Us Remastered, will be wiped.
  • If the licences are wiped, there is no way of restoring them.

The user's PlayStation 4 cannot be designated as the primary console for another 6 months, meaning it is locked out of the account until then.

If a PlayStation 4 loses its place as the primary console, users must wait six months to reverse the policy.
If a PlayStation 4 loses its place as the primary console, users must wait six months to reverse the policy.

Readers on Reddit have voiced outrage at what they consider poor protection from account hacks. Others have urged that this story highlights how important it is that users protect their account with a very strong password, due to the lack of protection should something go wrong.

GameSpot has contacted Sony to discuss the matter or provide some clarification.

Kadjar has published images of his online chat with Sony customer services, and highlights three other cases where users have complained about similar issues.

His post reads:

"This morning, I started receiving emails indicating a number of purchases on my PSN account. As the transactions came in, one-by-one, it became immediately clear that my account had been hacked. I immediately logged into PSN and removed my card from the account, changed my email and password, and simultaneously launched support chats with both Sony and my bank.

"The Sony representative told me that they are only permitted to refund transactions of up to $150. He also informed me that I could dispute the charges with my bank, but by doing so, my account would be banned from PSN. As a result, I would permanently lose all of my purchases, including the Last of Us Remastered.

"He also informed me that my existing PS4 had been deactivated from the network this morning, and that a new one had been activated. When I asked him to deactivate that new, mystery PS4, he said he could not. I then turned on my PS4, logged in with my new credentials, and attempted to activate my PS4 with my account, but it informed me that I could not activate it as long as there was another PS4 bound to my account.

"I called customer support, hoping for some clarification. The agent informed me that there is indeed a refund investigation underway, but that it will be limited to $150, and that it would be credited to my PSN wallet, not my bank account.

"Furthermore, my account will not be able to activate a new system for 6 months, per Sony policy. I'm completely locked out of my own account until that date. I then asked about what would happen if I got my bank to reverse the charges, and he informed me that it would result in a banned account. I asked if there would be any way to restore my purchases, and he told me that there would not be, but I 'only have the Last of Us and a couple of the monthly free deal games,' so it's not a big deal."

Several Reddit users have offered Kadjar copies of their games, which he has thanked them for, but declined.

"My goal here is bring attention to a few of Sony's bad customer service policies in the hopes that they'll change them," he said.

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Sony, you disappoint everyone. I would damn well take this one right to the bank.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> And get your game licenses wiped. Smart move.

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lol, exactly. The smart move is not letting a sh*tty corporation like sony take advantage of a hacking and saving their own asses. I'd take it to the bank immediately and tell sony to f*ck right off.

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I had the same thing happen to me and Sony wouldn't do anything so my bank disputed it. Sony banned my account and licenses. I had to fight it for weeks before it was resolved and they would not unban my account. Now I buy all XBox One. Sony has horrible service.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Couple of game licences removed or get your $600 back? I think the SMART move under the circumstances is to indeed take it to the bank

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I just removed my credit card from my PSN account.


Everybody should do this.


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<< LINK REMOVED >> Ive had mine listed since psn's inception, never had a problem. having a crappy password and giving other people your account info is not sony's fault.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Sony was hacked. Some cards were taken and some weren't. Most people are safe, but the few that got hit should be reimbursed

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> No cards were ever proven to be taken from that. And that was 4 years ago, nothing now would be from that...

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President Kadjar: [enters after the interrogation of King Roland] Well? Did it work? Where's the king?

Dark Helmet: It worked, sir. We have the password.
President Kadjar: Great. Now we can take every last breath of fresh air from planet Druidia. What's the password?
Dark Helmet: 1 2 3 4 5.
President Kadjar: 1 << LINK REMOVED >> 3 4 5? That's amazing! I've got the same password on my PSN! Prepare Spaceball 1 for immediate departure!
Dark Helmet: Yes, sir!
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You'd expect a gaming website to know the difference between hacking and phishing.

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You'd also expect them to thoroughly go over the evidence laid out and not just make the same outlandish claims that this "kadjar" is making simply because he said it was so.

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This is a Rob Crossley article, go figure.

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Phishing is a technique used to hack

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<< LINK REMOVED >> You'd expect a commenter on a gaming site that tries to correct the article would know what they were talking about. ;)

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I bet Sony really wanted to offer him 11 copies of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, instead of the $150

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Then he could sell them to Gamestop for Pennies.

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This is what happens when you make your password "Password1"....

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Oh, I know that already, my password is "Password123"

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<< LINK REMOVED >> You're that confident in Sony's security that you automatically assume that it must be user error?


It's not like he specified anywhere how many characters his password was and in what combination of character types...

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Queue the "Price is Right" losing horn!

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ive read the transcript it seems sony gave him a refund to his credit card

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<< LINK REMOVED >> They're offering a refund of the total charges to his card IF the charges are proven to be fraudulent. That's perfectly reasonable, and is probably the exact response you'd get from anyone in trying to get $600 refunded.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> true, but you'd think all they would need to do is void the DRM on the product purchased and refund it all back. They don't lose a penny. It's their digital product that was purchased.

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I get that, but who's to say he didn't purchase that stuff on his own only to change his mind. The PS Store fairly clearly states that refunds will not be provided except where required by law.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> exactly this, plus it would not be hard to prove it was not him if they just looked at the ip address of the purchases, considering it deactivated his PS4 for another thats a for sure sign something is up yet Sony could take days, weeks, or even months to finish the investigation and then could possibly reward him in just psn credit while his bank account is at $600 loss, I know I wouldn't be happy with that especially when my bank would give me the money back in a matter of hours.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Partial or full?

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> If it's partial, then they still screwed up.

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This is scary, that would be all the money I have if this happened to me and I would be in so much trouble.

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I'm a fan of account based systems, but if you can't play games if you switch/get banned, thats a step too far. At least with a disc its always playable if something goes wrong with your account.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> this is why the consumer laws need to be changed when it comes to digital, the pace to move everything to digital/cloud is a danger to us and our rights.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> it's a danger to people who are customers to a company that is slow and has been shown to be completly incompentent to update thier security.

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Time to remove my credit card info...

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Edit* and CC info removed

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And maybe next time, you'll learn to use prepaid cards.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> i understand what you are saying, but the fact of the matter is that this shouldn't matter in anyway. it's sony job to keep your information safe and if they can't do that then they need to be held responsibale like every other company.

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I agree that Sony should be responsible but I'm assuming he didn't use that PSN protection that Sony is offering but if he did, then yes, Sony should in fact be responsible.

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I always used a secondary credit card with only a couple hundred but this is a eye opener.

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Moral of the story:

Digital copies can and will be taken from you if tou start sh1t, like questioning athority.

Now, bend over and grab those ankles!

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<< LINK REMOVED >> it has nothing to do that. this just a company that has been known for doing shady things. they don't like to admit that they are wrong. digital is here to stay either way it goes. this just a bad company and a bad company policy.

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People don't just hack your account out of nothing, the security of your account is solely your responsibility. NOBODY would refund you in a case like this, by giving the man 150 bucks Sony is already doing way more than they are obliged to.

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