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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Strays From My Original Vision, George Lucas Says

"It's a family soap opera."

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The plot for Star Wars: The Force Awakens is a tightly guarded secret. But what we now know is that the story it tells, as well as the overarching narrative for the new trilogy, is not what franchise creator George Lucas originally had in mind.

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Speaking with GameSpot sister site CBS News, Lucas explained that the Star Wars saga, as he envisioned it, is basically a soap opera. Disney listened to Lucas' ideas, but wanted to go another direction.

"The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, 'We want to make something for the fans,'" Lucas said. "I said, 'All I wanted to do was tell a story of what happened--it started here and it went there. It's all about generations and the issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers.

"It's a family soap opera," he added. "People don't realize it's actually a soap opera and it's all about family problems--it's not about spaceships. So they decided they didn't want to use those stories; they decided they were going to do their own thing so I decided, 'Fine.'"

"They weren't that keen to have me involved anyway" -- Lucas

The Force Awakens is the first core Star Wars movie that Lucas will have no direct hand in producing. He says Disney wasn't very thrilled about working with Lucas on the movie and the visionary admits that he wouldn't have been of much help, considering his ideas clashed with Disney's.

"But basically, they weren't that keen to have me involved anyway," he said. "But at the same time, I said, 'If I get in there I'm just going to cause trouble, because they're not going to do what I wanted them to do.' And I don't have the control to do that anymore and all I would do is muck everything up.

"So I said, 'OK, I will go my way and I let them go their way.'"

Disney paid $4.05 billion to buy the Star Wars franchise (among other properties) from Lucas in 2012.

He went on to compare his exit from the juggernaut entertainment series to a breakup.

"When you break up with somebody, the first rule is no phone calls," he said. "The second rule, you don't go over to their house and drive by to see what they're doing. The third one is you don't show up at their coffee shop and say you are going to burn it... You just say, 'Nope, gone, history, I'm moving forward.'"

CBS News' full interview with Lucas will air on CBS This Morning in December. The Force Awakens comes to theaters on December 18 with great expectations.

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All I'm reading is that the movies isn't how he would have taken the series, but is staying out of the way so Disney can do their thing. I don't know why everyone is getting so pissy with him for let alone say he's jealous.

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@imjust1joe: I was thinking the same thing, there's no need for people here to bash the guy for explaining what happened. As usual topics like this turn into a "let's attack Lucas" topic. Lucas deserves some respect considering he started the damn series in the first place. Without a New Hope there'd be no Empire Strikes Back and no The Force Awakens etc.

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@imjust1joe: He has to stay out of the way. Disney bought Stars.

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@Lacerz: I respect what george has given us star wars fans, but I will say for a man who wants to stay out the way, doing interviews like this isnt helping hi, and its not helping Disney either. George should avoid all connection for a while and go swim in his mountain of money like the neckless scrooge mcduck we all know he is.

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@bigbadcrawford: Say what you say hater.

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Simple math:

Best movies of both trilogies (debatable, but not quite) ---> V & VI (directed by Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand, respectivelly)

"Worst" (IV being "not as good as") movies of both trilogies ---> the remaining 4 ones, all directed by George Lucas.

I'm glad he's "out of the picture".

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@rotchild: If you listen to a lot of people who were involved with Episode VI Richard Marquand did not really direct Episode VI. He was incredibly inexperienced and George Lucas had to take over directing for the most part.

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@rotchild: I actually find Return of the Jedi maybe my least favorite of the original trilogy the first StarWars is how we all got into it it was definitley the most fun out of the whole series. and is the most re-watchable. Empire is definitely the best.


as for the prequels, they are pretty bad in alot of departments. but Revenge of the sith was watchable because it had a good tone and did the most to tie into the original trilogy.

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He wanted them to be crappy like the prequels.

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The only thing wrong with the prequels was the writing. The concept, the basic premise of the movies was spot on. Jar Jar was kind of lame but if you think for a second that's the real reason the prequels weren't that great you're not looking at the bigger picture. Every. Single. Problem with the prequels stems from the writing or more specifically, the dialogue. Fight me on this. I dare you. First person to say

"b-but the Acting!"

I'd like to see you recite those terrible lines and still come out sounding pretty and genuine.

The prequels are just a case of awesome concept, piss poor execution.

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@Chr0noid: I dont blame the actors, think he went too young with jake lloyd. Could you imagine if it had been someone like the young bruce wayne actor from gotham, the performance would have been better

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@Chr0noid I wholeheartedly agree.Not too much wrong with the ideas or plotting, more or less. It's the actual words coming out of the character's mouths that was the biggest problem. I remember actually feeling bad for some of the actors and the ridiculous things they had to say

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@Chr0noid: I would agree, the overall concept of the prequels was very well thought up. However, the execution of the story was done very poorly. They had a great lineup of actors, just the directing... ugh ><

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@Chr0noid: The writing was definitely the biggest problem with the prequels, the over-reliance on CGI and poor directing of the actors didn't help either.

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@Chr0noid: This. I can still watch the prequels for their story arc and how they show the lead up to the original trilogy (they really aren't THAT bad), but George should have got a better writer on side.

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@Chr0noid: Not to mention that it probably was alot harder for the actors to act in nothing but green screen'd rooms.

Samuel L Jackson said at an interview at our school it was nauseating sometimes that everytime he'd go on set it was nothing but green screens

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@alastor529: Yeah actors work best when they have real sets to interact with.

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@Chr0noid:

"b-but the Acting!"

It wasn't the "Acting". It was the directing. Watch Hayden in "Life as a House", and then watch him in Episode II. LaaH was filmed before SW:E2, and Hayden's acting was far superior in LaaH. His performance in LaaH was what SW:E2 needed. Yet it wasn't there.

That's a directing problem.

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@Lacerz: The pedigree of actors they had was pretty astounding when you think about it. Neeson, McGregor, Portman, Jackson, Christopher Lee... just how bad was the script / directing that they messed it up so bad? Okay the child actor in menace was terrible, but you can't blame the acting. It has to have been the script.

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@Lacerz: And a script problem, too. Seeing as George was in charge of both, well there you go.

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@Chr0noid: My family loves Jar Jar. =(

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@Draconas_Lyrr: I hope your family never leaves their home.

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@Draconas_Lyrr: Meesa So Happy For You!

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@Chr0noid: I logged in just to tell you how spot on this comment is. Refreshing to see someone in the comment section with a brain.

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"When you break up with somebody, the first rule is no phone calls," he said. "The second rule, you don't go over to their house and drive by to see what they're doing. The third one is you don't show up at their coffee shop and say you are going to burn it... You just say, 'Nope, gone, history, I'm moving forward.'"

Only a Sith deals in absolutes, George. :P

Just kidding. I actually respect his ability to let it go. He's giving billions to charity. He didn't murder anyone, he employed a lot of people and, on the whole, left the world better than he found it. So how about we say we're even, and let him live happily for what remains of his life, and we all let go too and enjoy the exciting new direction Star Wars is about to take evidently? :)

May the Force be with you.

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@anonymous81: I give Lucas props for starting the series, without him there'd be no Star Wars.

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The more I hear from George Lucas, the more I think that he doesn't understand his own franchise - if he ever understood it. Looking back, it seems as though Lucas was just making things up as he went and didn't have a clear vision from the outset of the kind of story he wanted to tell. For example, the original title of the first Star Wars film was: “Adventures of Luke Starkiller, As Taken From the Journal of the Whills, Saga 1: The Star Wars”. Note that the title says "Saga 1". There is no indication that this was meant to be a follow-up to a previous unwritten saga. It was supposed to be the beginning of a new mythology. Also, the original title for Return of the Jedi was "Revenge of the Jedi", and George Lucas changed it late in production when he realized that revenge is not a Jedi concept. I find it strange that the author of the entire Star Wars saga did not consider this obvious contradiction to his own story from the beginning, and he already had two films under his belt.

Lucas also loses credibility when he claims that Star Wars is a soap opera while the opening crawl of Episode I (which he had full creative control of) speaks of galactic taxation disputes. That doesn't sound like a "soap opera about family problems" to me. We didn't even see Anakin Skywalker until a good way into the film, and the part he plays in the overall plot of Phantom Menace isn't that significant. Lucas was clearly trying to create a larger world for the Star Wars universe in response to the Expanded Universe, which exploded into popularity in the 1990's. George Lucas is nothing if not a master of marketing, and he saw a golden opportunity to bring Corusant (a staple of the early EU novels, but never once mentioned in the original trilogy) to the big screen. Fans wanted to see that, so he gave it to them. NOW he claims that it's not about making something for the fans, as Disney wants, but "All I wanted to do was tell a story of what happened--it started here and it went there"? Which is it, George?

It seems to me that everything that George Lucas says about Star Wars these days is meant to distract us from a fundamental truth: He had no idea what he was doing from a storytelling perspective. Making the Star Wars universe bigger in scope from the original trilogy was the right move, Lucas just didn't have the writing chops to pull it off. It took The Clone Wars TV series (which Lucas had little direct involvement in) to make sense and do justice to the era of Anakin Skywalker.

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@JRLennis: Have you ever written fiction? Or... anything in general?

You have this bizarre fantasy in your mind that writers have the full script with all the concepts and characters solidified in their head. They simply gotta spend a day typing it out. That's so ridiculously wrong. Writing fiction is a constantly changing process that involves you getting new ideas as you go along and changing old ideas to fit the new ones. Titles are typically placeholders until the full script is done. I don't know of a single author who has went on record and stated that they had a full series planned in their mind and never changed a single thing along the way. It just doesn't happen.

The only way your post would make any sense is if you assumed writers have literally every detail planned out in their mind before writing. Gasp, he elaborated on the concept of what it means to be a Jedi while working through the drafts of the scripts! What a hack! /sarcasm

George Lucas is surrounded with legitimate controversy and there are plenty of legitimate issues one could bring up in regards to his storytelling/writing. But your post is completely removed from reality.

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@OldDirtyCR: Wow. I wish I had read the comments yesterday so I could have responded sooner. It's kind of funny getting a lecture about writing, but I can excuse that since you have no idea who I am or the project I have been working on for years. Here's a “little” sample (hopefully the links are fixed) : https://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=10162.0

So, yes. I have some grasp on the art of writing fiction. And no, I do not think you have to have every last detail planned out in advance to write an effective story. (That can actually be a good thing since unexpected opportunities can and do come up in the telling of your story that are far removed from your initial outlines. That happened often in the writing of my Chrono Trigger novelization, and it turned out the better for it.) But where I take issue with Lucas isn't that he didn't have the details planned out, it's that he didn't even have a grasp of some of the important concepts and how the characters related to one another even deep into the production process. It's kind of important to know these things from the start so you don't end up trapping yourself later. You say that writing fiction is a constantly changing process that involves you getting new ideas as you go along and changing old ideas to fit the new ones, and this is true. But the time for this kind of exploration of ideas is in pre-production, not full production when you have committed yourself and are actually shooting scenes. It's possible to end up with a decent film while having extensive rewrites in the middle of production, but I don't think you'll find many great ones.

Anyway, I don't claim to be an expert on film, but I do know a few things about storytelling. An example of where a production can suffer from not having a clear idea of where you are going is the 2004-2009 Battlestar Galactica series, where the early seasons were among the best on television at the time, but the later seasons were widely panned for having a nonsensical story-arc. It was a good show, but it could have been a great show if the producers had taken the overall plot a little more seriously. And before you say that planning plots in advance doesn't work for television since you don't know how many seasons you'll actually be on the air, I point you to the example of Babylon 5, which was on the verge of cancellation for most of its five-year run and yet is considered one of the best science-fiction series ever produced because it was designed from the outset to have a five season story-arc. The producer wasn't willing to compromise on that vision even knowing the risks, and I greatly admire him for that.

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@JRLennis: You make good points.

There are examples of where not knowing the ending has made it suffer (Lost the tv series). They constantly went on record saying they had no idea where the series was going next in their minds. That, IMO, was bad for the Lost series as it became convoluted and just weird.

Babylon 5 was a good example of knowing start to finish what was gonna happen and executing it. It was a huge risk though. Fans typically hate when shows end with no resolution and get cancelled. I know I do.

Lucas is not the best storyteller out there. I truly think he "sold out" during the period between 6 and 1. The consequences of that being the completely disjointed Expanded Universe that has so many contradictions and probably hundreds of random authors contributing to it over the years. But I just didn't think the examples you gave were that compelling. I found it out that you focused on them when there are honestly hundreds of more objective literary critiques you could throw at Lucas. Especially when titles change so much, especially in movies. There have been movies that were given a trailer and subsequently changed the title AFTER announced to the public, or simply after production.

I appreciate you remaining calm and giving me a legitimate answer to my response. My initial response to you was a little sarcastic and aggressive and I apologize for that. We can both definitely agree that Lucas gets a lot more credit for his literary genius than he probably deserves. It's silly to argue about the little details though, and for that I apologize.

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@JRLennis: and yet the best story is the first 3 films lol - nothing else (to me) has mattered since 1983s return of the jedi NOTHING in the industry that has the star wars label has mattered since 83..without him, the original plot (though expanded in the world via the journal entries and his "original intention") personally I dont care one way or another...better stories out there, besides television can do what film cant (with epic multi-season dramas like walking dead, game of thrones, breaking bad, the sopranos, the wire, oz, lost, mad men, sons of anarchy, the bastard executioner, enter the badlands, spartacus, the corner, six feet under, deadwood, among many others - its personal taste but I think theres more in television nowadays then there is in big budget screen productions..I mean theres plenty of films I enjoy...but even more television by far...to each their own but I have the classic notion that lucas is a big part of star wars creation, the original intentions (maybe they've splintered over the years or whatever) its been along time since I read into star wars...Harry Potter IMO or LOTR has better storytelling (especially when compared to those horrendous prequels)..but thats subjective I guess ?

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@JRLennis: Star Wars : A New Hope was heavily based on Hidden Fortress, a movie by Akira Kurosawa. The originals had a solid base for story and characters that were easy to relate too, however the prequels suffered from too much emphasis on CGI and special effects flare to compensate for lack of what the original trilogy had, a vision to fall back on, Kurosawa's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pU6B2zEFeg

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@JRLennis: He never had much idea what he was doing. Even such key details as Vader being a cyborg with a breathing unit, were designed by the very creative people working on the first movie, not thought up by Lucas himself. "Secret History of Star Wars" is a great read on these details, though I'm sure Lucas would tell a different story.

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so in other words George it will be better that your movies and your jealous that you did not think of it first. you would think he would be proud to see his creation prosper

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@fred_evans: He didn't seem jealous to me, he merely said that Disney wanted to go in a different direction so he chose to keep out of it. Where's this jealousy accusation coming from?

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@simonbelmont2: He doesn't have a choice in something he sold. Disney couldn't flat out tell him to get lost because it would be bad PR with the star wars nerds.

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I was 9 when I watched The Phantom Menace, my first Star Wars movie. I loved it; the pod-racing, the light-saber action between Maul and Obiwan/Qui Gon Jin (actually it's still my favorite fight), the lore etc etc. I never had an issue with Jar-Jar Binks either, so I really don't understand the immense amount of hate this movie (and the rest of the prequels) got. Sure, I'm now able to see the flaws in both acting and dialogue, but they are still fun to watch. It's probably something I will never understand.

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@cboye18: Jar jar is the ewok of phantom menace. The problem is that George wanted to use the same formula in a "modern" world. I think thats why Disney didnt like his idea good. I dont like or hate star wars I'm the type of guy who will never settle downWhere pretty girls are well, you know that I'm around..........damn i got to go play some fallout 4.

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@cboye18: I grew up with the original trilogy, and I appreciate what Lucas tried to do with the prequels. He just believed his own hype and took on too much control. Lucas has obvious talent in art direction and many other aspects of filmmaking, but he is a terrible writer, and, unfortunately, the prequels are defined most by this inadequacy. They are by no means terrible films, but they could have been so much better than they were.

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@cboye18 Sadly many people are too young to understand. You had to be a 70's/80's kid and only known 4-5-6 growing up

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@Zemus: I work with a lot of younger guy's and gals. They loved the prequels, we can't take that away from them that they have the magic and perhaps it is us who changed and grew too old for them?

Funnily enough they do not enjoy the originals as much as say you and I.

We can't say we are right.

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"So if it's good... don't point the finger at me!" - George Lucas.

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He's such a cool, nice guy and I love him and all but hes so delusional when it comes to his movies.

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After episode one I'm glad they didn't listen to him. That's a terrible movie.

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At least have some class as a billionaire and don't hit the media a month before it is out trying to throw a pall on it. That's so immature, selfish, petulant and unprofessional. If this is how he feels fine, but he should have kept it to himself.

Disney paid you 4 billion and is insuring your creation lives on well beyond what your reach alone could have achieved. Be a mature professional and be complimentary in the media, not a pouting child who didn't get his way.

Especially considering if he cared so fucking much for his idea for a new trilogy, why did he sell in the first fucking place?! He didn't need the money that's for sure. I wish he'd just stuck with his comments when he first handed it off, I've lost so much respect for him now.

He got his wish though, he has put a bit of a black eye to my Star Wars enthusiasm.

What a tool.

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@ENVYotb73: He merely said that Disney wanted to go in a different direction so he chose to keep out of it. I don't see a problem with that attitude at all. Without Lucas there'd be no Star Wars so I give the guy some respect.

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@ENVYotb73: I see it the other way around...immature would be downright bashing...call it secret hidden lingo that you must be reading cause after reading his above comments...I dont see it that way he didnt agree so what, they went seperate ways he didnt outright bash anything.. maybe his intentions are as you say (dont matter to me one way or another) nothing good has come from star wars since 1983 - the first 3 films..is all star wars will ever be, sure expand the franchise/universe so a new generation of young masturbators with barely any hair on their balls can get a taste of the space-opera...but Disney ? lol..ok have fun tikes, I can get better entertainment from AMC or HBO with the drama series on television...but I guess thats subjective - to each their own...Disney paid him 4 billion...well as a billionaire he can have whatever opinion he wants...a god given right..say as you will too often in society (especially in arts&entertainment) everyone kisses ass and says the appropriate thing...I have no clue what has happened here but, to me someone saying what they want (or as they feel) cause OBVIOUSLY you are..you are speaking you're opinion..being the original mind behind star wars...I feel um he has the right to say anything he want...and I dont know but I dont read into things all that much I'm already reading comments about conspiracy theories, ppl bashing Lucas for his opinion on the current state of star wars, his original intentions (whether thats the truth or not) doesnt matter...give him a break he bows out and steps down and live comfortably for the rest of his life (he would have reguardless if he sold the rights to this franchise in 2012 or not) but...even more so now..so what ? who cares lol

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@Itzsfo0: Like you said, different viewpoints and to each his own. Personally though I find it low rent to come out and insult the movie before its out and refer to everyone working on it like a bad ex girlfriend when they have been nothing but complimentary and truly have spoken much reverance and homage to him and his creation.

I cant help but think if I'm jj Abrams I'm a little hurt at the moment.

My big issue is it flies in the face of everything he original said when he handed it off, what happened to "now I get to go enjoy it as a fan for once and be amazed like the audience?"

That's what he said.

As to why some of us care when you don't, obviously some of us are more passionate and interested in the subject.

You might be realm passionate about Brittany spears on the voice or keeping up with the kardashians, not my thing but knock yourself out.

I however wont be commentating on the kardashian board questioning your interest.

Why are you even bothering with something you have little interest in?

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@ENVYotb73: How did he insult the movie? The ex-girlfriend analogy was about his relationship with the series, not his relationship with the crew working on TFA. Lucas didn't compare it to a "bad ex girlfriend", just an ex partner in general. When you break up with a partner it hurts but it's usually best to make a clean break.

I don't see what's wrong with Lucas' statements in the interview.

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@ENVYotb73 Thats what he wants though. Don't let his BS comments get you down. He is the one at fault and has been for the last 16+ Years since he went down the Prequel route. He can be as bitter as he wants and it can't effect us anymore because he can't taint it anymore with his BS Lore breaking garbage:

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@Zemus: This is the problem with some Star Wars fans: they can't forgive and forget over the problems with the prequels, as a result they look for an excuse to have a go at Lucas whenever he is mentioned.

Lucas seemed quite mature in his responses imo: he decided to let go after Disney showed they wanted to go in a different direction. Lucas has accepted that Star Wars isn't his baby anymore. Instead of sticking around and arguing with Disney he did the right thing and walked away.

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@Zemus: Right on dude, you actually cheered me up!! People forget as well that he didn't make these things in a vacuum, there were a ton of other creative people involved. The original was reportedly horrible until the film editor cut the **** out of it and made it a masterpiece.

There always seems to be a small undercurrent with Lucas where hes almost jealous of the world taking Star Wars over but hey, shouldn't put it out there then.

If it was me, I would be proud and amazed that my creation inspired so many like JJ Abrams creatively and would be excited to see what they do with it.

Your right though, at the end of the day he cant **** it up anymore, best thing he did for the franchise lately lol.

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@ENVYotb73: People also forget that without Lucas there'd be no Star Wars at all, you should cut the guy some slack. He didn't seem jealous to me, he simply decided to walk away as Star Wars isn't his baby anymore.

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