Street Fighter 5 Lowers Bar for Entry "as Much as Humanly Possible"

I'm not great a fighting games but I really enjoy watching high level play. I like the idea that I could get better and that there is stuff I could learn to improve. Last time I played online, I won as much as I lost and usually felt like "I really could have won that one!" So many close matches. Gave me things to think about and analyze. Essentially, it was fun. Imagine that.

This has me worried though. I don't want the game to get dropped, become unsupported and end up never getting patches 'cause "why bother? No one is playing."

I think an improved tutorial or something would have been a better idea. We've got people here saying they couldn't handle fireball spammers. If the tutorial could have just been better, they might have never dropped the game.

Maybe Capcom should have just tried this with another fighter. I don't know a lot about Smash but it kinda looks like everyone can do "all the cool stuff" at anytime very easily and that there is still high level play. Maybe bring back Power Stone. Have one button specials but allow those who uses traditional fight motions to get a slightly better version of the same attacks? They did that with the Ryu they put in Smash right? Maybe have a mode that acknowledges button mashing by saying "this is the only mode where this is rewarded." Might help new players get over that and be a silly extra feature.

I donno. kinda just spit balling here.

Good news for players who, like me, are absolutely terrible at the game.

After spending like 10 hours in practice and against AI i felt like "alright i think i got the hang of this" and then i went online and lost every single match. Basically just gave up at that point.

There is so much to a game like USF4 that the game just doesn't tell you or help you practice that you can only learn after dozens of hours of practice and spending hours online researching stuff like how many frames of animation does this have, etc. Playing VS AI isn't like playing against real players so it's pointless and people have been playing for years and are so damn good that i have no chance so that's pointless too.

Did anyone read the article? He isn't saying that he's making the game simpler. He simply said that he's shuffling around the mechanics so that at the start everyone is on a level playing field. Obviously as time goes on players will start differentiating themselves. Not to mention that older SF players will most likely get used to it much quicker.

So much whining from people. Nobody ever understands what it means when a developer says they're making the game more user friendly and instead they jump to the conclusion that you can now mash one button and win against a skilled player. Use your damn brain. Before you freak out and start claiming that the series is now dead and they ruined the game, have you even watched gameplay? And I'm not talking some demonstration video, I mean actual gameplay from beta testers like Maximilian Dood, etc.

The game is still based off of skill and it's still just as punishing if you don't know what you're doing. The only things they've done is made the game simpler in terms of there being less fine technical stuff. Apparently, the timing for links have been tweaked so now you don't have to be some matrix code viewing person in order to reliably get out your attacks. There's no dumb gimmicks like the focus system in SF4 which required a lot of skill to use it properly and it was basically the defining thing that separated people. There's no multiple power combos, like a super and an ultra, which reduces the amount of things a player needs to focus on. It's just a bunch of small details that makes the game require less micro management and now the players can focus more on the actual core gameplay. It's gone sort of back to the basics which is a very good thing.

Cue all the whiners with no lives.

Isn't competition about separating competitors based on skill-sets? Isn't the point of Street Fighter the competition? Diminishing the gap among players through the game design is literally diminishing the lure and competition in fighting games.

So, instead of honoring those who have supported quality competition Street Fighter games, they're catering to fair weather friends. i.e. casual gamers who have no intent on learning and refining skills and that's part of the attraction to Street Fighter in that mastering a character is like mastering some electronic martial art. The whole reason Street Fighter blew up in the 90s was because it was step above other genres and people could tell as they saw the 6 buttons and stick instead of the standard stick and two buttons of the time. SF remained on top of the fighting game world due to competitive quality.

Ono made Capcom Fighting Jam(utter failure), and I'm unsure if he helmed SFxT but that was another newbie friendly failure. No one remembers SFA1? Hot, simplified beyond belief, garbage.

Luckily, in a couple of years after they realize they aren't attracting more players and make all due corrections. New players will eventually know that the game had to be dumbed down so that they can play it which will feel insulting eventually, I'm positive Capcom, if not Ono, will finally understand what competitive games are all about. It's the competition and challenge, not the ease of entry. Capcom's own history and the FGC's own history would have shown them otherwise. It sounds like Ono was listening to Seth Killian who refuses to adapt to skill and still plays cross-handed. He's pimping the idea that fighting games shouldn't require skill or execution. lol For fawk's sake, competition is supposed to separate people and a game shouldn't require players to make it better. A great competitive game should stand on its own merits. Any two people can make anything into a decent competition. I've seen people get hype over quarter flip-calling.

This is laughable. I knew I was better off waiting for a few years. Canceling my pre-order. The Street Fighter title usually means quality. Now it means "beginner game?" Thx, but no thanks.

Yeah... I think I'll stick with USF4 for the forseeable future.

I can do normal combos in SF4 without the FADC as I suck at it and you know what? I was happy that my hours of training allowed me to connect those imposible mp mp mk hadoken crap flowlessly in a real match! Why Capcom are stripping away this from us is beyond me. I play dark souls because of the same reasons were hours of dedication is truly rewarded. If I wanted somthing easy I would have bought CoD or even just cause 3. Damnit Capcom.

They should make these games easier. I shouldn't have to press 12 buttons to shoot a fireball.

Just let me press R1 or something.

Doubt it'll turn into MvC3's level of "basic" and the so-called "new" V-system seems to be similar to the mechanics of other existing fighters.
Veterans of fighting games in general should be able to grasp these concepts easily and new players would still need to "git gud" to stay relevant in online matches.

Thanks for trying to flush 24 years of my Street Fighter experience and dedication down the drain Ono, and punishing me for my long time love of the franchise! :D

I really appreciate your undermining my 2 decade old loyalty to this franchise so that people who have no interest in learning your game can hold their own against the people who's time and money kept this franchise alive all these years. thanks

Well you'll be sad to know that it back fired...I played the beta...alot and kicked so much noob ass with basics fundamentals, my fingers got numb. Unfortunately SF5 has been so stripped down for this asinine pursuit, that the game itself is just basic. Less than actually, because even SF2 Hyper Fighting had close normals....in 1991. Not fun.

Fighting games will ALWAYS be a niche genre primarily supported by it's die-hard following. Your handing the game over to casual players who are likely to drop it in a week or after the buzz dies (win or lose) could kill the franchise. Quit treating new comers like idiot babies, SF isn't that hard. This terrible design scheme will only insure that no one is happy in the long run.

Street Fighter will never sell like an 'Uncharted or GTA' give up on that dream because its killing the game.

I think that's a good thing. It will allow new players to the genre to be able to learn how to play properly.

I dont see how making combos easier will help new player against veterans. New player need to get in position to make that damage and trust me it will take a lot of practice and time for a new guy to understand fundamentals and succesfully apply it in match against seasoned player. Just make matchmaking better so you get to play against ppl with same skill level, it will do more good.

I hate all of these devs trying to "dumb it down" or making it "noob friendly". I do not play SF online but ifI didn I know I would bget my butt kicked. I also know that is the only way I am going to get better..

If someone masters a craft or art, they shouldn't be punished because other people aren't as good. The whole point of competition is to have a wide skill gap. We need to stop babying people and make them earn their way. The NBA doesn't nerf Lebron and Durant by telling them they have to play in socks...neither should game devs.

If game devs want to separate the pros from the joes, have just have ranked (stat track) and unranked (no stat track) matches and leave it at that, if you don't want you stats to look crappy then play unranked. You can't have it both ways.

How are e sports ever going to be competitive if "everyone's a winner" This sort of multiplayer game design is what has been killing shooters these days (looking at you CoD).

None of this even matters. As long as you have a person that all they do is sit on one side of the map and spam their projectiles at you over and over again you will lose. Every time I played SF 4 online that is all I ever encountered. You move forward-get hit with a fireball. Try to jump over fireball-get a fireball thrown in the air at you. Try to counter or block-get another fireball thrown at you in a different direction. I despise players that spam like that. Hence the reason I stopped playing.

Ono is f^cking around with SFV

This is an attack on the most loyal players. People who don't want to learn how the game works should lose. Dumbing the game down will only affect the dedicated players, as most of the people who have no intention of learning will only play the game for a week or two. This is terrible,

Silly idea Capcom, just do wat MH does and let them tag themselves as "noobs". Problem solved.

sounds like the dumbest idea ever. what are they thinking? just making an optional matchmaking system that sorts by skill and be done with it.