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Xbox One Project Scorpio RAM Details Reportedly Leaked

A new report claims ESRAM is gone from Project Scorpio.

By Oscar Dayus on January 24, 2017 at 8:40AM PST

Some of Project Scorpio's specs have leaked, according to a new report.

Digital Foundry claims it was provided with a document released on Microsoft's development portal that contains some hardware specifications of the new, 4K-ready Xbox One console. The biggest detail is that, unlike Xbox One and Xbox One S, Project Scorpio will apparently not contain ESRAM. Since Microsoft is not allowing the development of Scorpio-only games, developers are required to continue optimizing for ESRAM in the development of upcoming games, as the technology is critical to both Xbox One and Xbox One S.

"ESRAM remains essential to achieving high performance on both Xbox One and Xbox One S," the document says, according to Digital Foundry. "However, Project Scorpio and PC are not provided with ESRAM. Because developers are not allowed to ship a Project Scorpio-only SKU, optimising for ESRAM remains critical to performance on Microsoft platforms."

Elsewhere in the document, which is titled "Reaching 4K and GPU Scaling Across Multiple Xbox Devices," Microsoft reportedly states Scorpio will support delta color compression, a process that reduces the amount of GPU bandwidth required to render color pixels.

Other details are few and far between, but you can check out Digital Foundry's full report in the video above.

Project Scorpio was announced at E3 2016. Microsoft said at the time that the new console will contain eight CPU cores, 320 GB/s memory bandwidth, and six teraflops of performance.

The console is due to launch this holiday, but it remains to be seen when Microsoft will start to show it off in more detail. Xbox boss Phil Spencer has said he is unsure if Microsoft will show off Project Scorpio before E3 in June.

Microsoft has time and again referred to Scorpio as the "most powerful console ever made," and claimed that the performance advantage over the PS4 Pro will be noticeable.

Halo boss Frank O'Connor recently said that, while he's unsure of Project Scorpio's specifics specs, they are "beefier" than what he expected.

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XBOX SCORPIO WILL BE EQUIVALENT TO AN ULTRA HIGH END PC AT LAUNCH AS FAR AS GAMING PERFORMANCE IS CONCERNED..

Xbox Scorpio Specs

Custom patented console only architecture developed in collaboration with MICROSOFT & AMD where Microsoft has developed a brand new communication method between components which results in a nearly 1 to 1 ultra low zero latency communication between all the components AS THIS NEW METHOD IS THE BIGGEST POWER N EFFICIENCY JUMP IN GRAPHICS PROCESSING SINCE XBOX 360 LAUNCHED with the first ever custom built unified graphics memory architecture where Xbox 360 was vastly superior to ultra high end Pc graphics cards for nearly 18 months after launch until Pc adopted the new unified memory architecture at which point obviously Pc caught up and surpassed consoles once again as far as gaming n graphics performance... Xbox Scorpio has the advantage this time because Microsoft has patented this new console specific architecture for Xbox Scorpio only which means Pc won't be adopting this new architecture anytime soon and this new 1 to 1 zero latency communication method allows for development on the Xbox Scorpio to be nearly 60% more graphically power efficient as opposed to the same exact equivalent Pc hardware which means for example the 6 teraflop gpu inside of Xbox Scorpio will be the equivalent to 9.6 teraflops in a gaming Pc graphics card as the extra 3.6 teraflops is a result of the new console specific architecture which allows Xbox Scorpio to have a 60% power efficiency advantage over the exact same Pc hardware....... The most exiting part about this is that Microsoft patented this new communication method which allows for a nearly 1 to 1 zero latency communication between the MEMORY, CPU, and GPU and it's specific only too Xbox Scorpio and it's a 5 year patent.......

The Xbox Scorpio is also going to have the most powerful gaming CPU on the market when it launches as its running the brand new 8 core summit ridge 97 watt RYZEN CPU @ 2.8ghz and if you know anything about the new zen CPU architecture from AMD then you know that the new RYZEN 8 core summit ridge CPU is beating intels most powerful 10 core i7-6900 in both single core and multi core benchmarks and the fact Xbox Scorpio will have this CPU is gonna be a straight bitch smack to Pc master race guys which will assuredly have an inferior CPU regardless of which CPU they have period....... The next biggest thing that Xbox Scorpio will have is a 6 teraflop AMD VEGA GPU that's down clocked and trimmed down to have 6 teraflops of graphics rendering power, however as I explained above this 6 teraflop AMD VEGA GPU will be equivalent to 9.6 teraflops of graphics processing compute power in a Pc graphics card and that's some serious business.......

The other thing Xbox Scorpio is using is 12gb of ultra fast gddr5x memory with 320gb per second memory bandwidth which is the same amount as the current gtx 1080 card.....

All in all the Xbox Scorpio will have the 8 core RYZEN CPU, 12gb gddr5x memory (320gb per second memory bandwidth) both coupled together with a 6 teraflop AMD VEGA GPU (rendering the equivalent of 9.6 teraflops of Pc graphics card compute power due to the new patented console architecture of Xbox Scorpio

THE FACT IS THE XBOX SCORPIO WONT BE A MID RANGE PC EQUIVALENT CONSOLE AT LAUNCH BUT RATHER XBOX SCORPIO WILL BE THE EQUIVALENT OF AN ULTRA HIGH END GAMING PC AS FAR AS GAMING PERFORMANCE IS CONCERNED and since only 10% of all Pc gaming rigs use ultra high end hardware that means 90% of all gaming rigs will be slaughtered by the performance of XBOX SCORPIO for years too come especially with the new patented communication method which won't be available on Pc graphics cards which means Xbox Scorpio will hold its advantage for quite some time......

Also due to the ultra high deep level of optimization that's available when developing games within a closed loop console type environment with an ultra low level CONSOLE SPECIFIC API that means the advantage is gonna be even that much more impressive....

Xbox Scorpio will have a CPU & GPU combination that rivals the highest end Pc gaming rigs in existence when it launches as its gonna absolutely crush 90% of all custom built gaming rigs in the 1,000 to 3,000 dollar range especially considering all this power which will include the fastest gaming CPU on the planet will all be inside of a closed loop console where developers will easily obtain NATIVE 4K 60fps gaming at the equivalent of Pc ultra settings.....

The last thing I wanna say is for those who think XBOX SCORPIO WILL BE TOO EXPENSIVE LOL THINK AGAIN BECAUSE MICROSOFT IS GONNA BE GETTING A VERY INSANELY CHEAP PRICE ON ITS CHIPSETS FROM AMD DUE TO THE FACT that Microsoft has been collaborating with AMD on the low down since 2013 developing XBOX SCORPIO even before it launched Xbox one and WHAT HAPPENED IS MICROSOFT FUNDED NEARLY 40% of the research n development costs associated with ZEN/VEGA which is how AMD was able to create the most powerful gaming CPU architecture ever created with ZEN and in exchange for the funding from Microsoft they were able to secure not just a great price on Xbox Scorpio chipsets but also they were able to secure a patent for the new custom architecture communication method which allows for the nearly 60% jump in power processing efficiency for the GPU and so yea this is a very big deal for Microsoft as the Xbox Scorpio is no joke people and my information comes straight from the horses mouth as I have a very close acquaintance who works for a major 1st party Microsoft games studio which has updated me with this information within the past 72 hours and while i can't and I won't publically expose my source due to his non disclosure agreement I will at least say that MICROSOFT WILL BE SHARING INFORMATION ON THE NEW PATENTED CONSOLE XBOX SCORPIO ARCHITECTURE SPECIFIC COMPONENT COMMUNICATION METHOD along with some benchmarks and other hardware specific details very soon either shortly before E3 and or at E3 so yea with all that being said I CANT WAIT TOO SHOVE THIS DOWN THE THROATS OF THE RICH PC MASTER RACE PRICKS WHO WILL BE ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED WHEN THEY REALIZE THE POWER N POTENTIAL OF XBOX SCORPIO IS GONNA BE VASTLY SUPERIOR TO THEIR PC RIG THEY WASTED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL and guess what they deserve it because they have made fun of us console peasants for so long and it's gonna be so gratifying when XBOX SCORPIO BITCH SMACKS THEIR SORRY OVER PRIVALGED PC MASTER RACE ASSES........

XBOX SCORPIO

8 core RYZEN CPU 2.8ghz

VEGA gpu 6 teraflops (9.6 Pc equivalent)

12gb gddr5x 320gb per second bandwidth)

MY FELLOW CONSOLE PEASENTS GET READY BECAUSE WERE TAKING OVER THE GAMING IDUSTRY WITH THE LAUNCH OF XBOX SCORPIO and no longer will be play second fiddle to Pc just because we spent less money

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@Ozosil: dude you're a Pc master race delusional prick that's completely misinformed dude ok lmao let me straighten you out bro.....

XBOX SCORPIO WILL BE EQUIVALENT TO AN ULTRA HIGH END PC AT LAUNCH AS FAR AS GAMING PERFORMANCE IS CONCERNED..

Xbox Scorpio Specs

Custom patented console only architecture developed in collaboration with MICROSOFT & AMD where Microsoft has developed a brand new communication method between components which results in a nearly 1 to 1 ultra low zero latency communication between all the components AS THIS NEW METHOD IS THE BIGGEST POWER N EFFICIENCY JUMP IN GRAPHICS PROCESSING SINCE XBOX 360 LAUNCHED with the first ever custom built unified graphics memory architecture where Xbox 360 was vastly superior to ultra high end Pc graphics cards for nearly 18 months after launch until Pc adopted the new unified memory architecture at which point obviously Pc caught up and surpassed consoles once again as far as gaming n graphics performance... Xbox Scorpio has the advantage this time because Microsoft has patented this new console specific architecture for Xbox Scorpio only which means Pc won't be adopting this new architecture anytime soon and this new 1 to 1 zero latency communication method allows for development on the Xbox Scorpio to be nearly 60% more graphically power efficient as opposed to the same exact equivalent Pc hardware which means for example the 6 teraflop gpu inside of Xbox Scorpio will be the equivalent to 9.6 teraflops in a gaming Pc graphics card as the extra 3.6 teraflops is a result of the new console specific architecture which allows Xbox Scorpio to have a 60% power efficiency advantage over the exact same Pc hardware....... The most exiting part about this is that Microsoft patented this new communication method which allows for a nearly 1 to 1 zero latency communication between the MEMORY, CPU, and GPU and it's specific only too Xbox Scorpio and it's a 5 year patent.......

The Xbox Scorpio is also going to have the most powerful gaming CPU on the market when it launches as its running the brand new 8 core summit ridge 97 watt RYZEN CPU @ 2.8ghz and if you know anything about the new zen CPU architecture from AMD then you know that the new RYZEN 8 core summit ridge CPU is beating intels most powerful 10 core i7-6900 in both single core and multi core benchmarks and the fact Xbox Scorpio will have this CPU is gonna be a straight bitch smack to Pc master race guys which will assuredly have an inferior CPU regardless of which CPU they have period....... The next biggest thing that Xbox Scorpio will have is a 6 teraflop AMD VEGA GPU that's down clocked and trimmed down to have 6 teraflops of graphics rendering power, however as I explained above this 6 teraflop AMD VEGA GPU will be equivalent to 9.6 teraflops of graphics processing compute power in a Pc graphics card and that's some serious business.......

The other thing Xbox Scorpio is using is 12gb of ultra fast gddr5x memory with 320gb per second memory bandwidth which is the same amount as the current gtx 1080 card.....

All in all the Xbox Scorpio will have the 8 core RYZEN CPU, 12gb gddr5x memory (320gb per second memory bandwidth) both coupled together with a 6 teraflop AMD VEGA GPU (rendering the equivalent of 9.6 teraflops of Pc graphics card compute power due to the new patented console architecture of Xbox Scorpio

THE FACT IS THE XBOX SCORPIO WONT BE A MID RANGE PC EQUIVALENT CONSOLE AT LAUNCH BUT RATHER XBOX SCORPIO WILL BE THE EQUIVALENT OF AN ULTRA HIGH END GAMING PC AS FAR AS GAMING PERFORMANCE IS CONCERNED and since only 10% of all Pc gaming rigs use ultra high end hardware that means 90% of all gaming rigs will be slaughtered by the performance of XBOX SCORPIO for years too come especially with the new patented communication method which won't be available on Pc graphics cards which means Xbox Scorpio will hold its advantage for quite some time......

Also due to the ultra high deep level of optimization that's available when developing games within a closed loop console type environment with an ultra low level CONSOLE SPECIFIC API that means the advantage is gonna be even that much more impressive....

Xbox Scorpio will have a CPU & GPU combination that rivals the highest end Pc gaming rigs in existence when it launches as its gonna absolutely crush 90% of all custom built gaming rigs in the 1,000 to 3,000 dollar range especially considering all this power which will include the fastest gaming CPU on the planet will all be inside of a closed loop console where developers will easily obtain NATIVE 4K 60fps gaming at the equivalent of Pc ultra settings.....

The last thing I wanna say is for those who think XBOX SCORPIO WILL BE TOO EXPENSIVE LOL THINK AGAIN BECAUSE MICROSOFT IS GONNA BE GETTING A VERY INSANELY CHEAP PRICE ON ITS CHIPSETS FROM AMD DUE TO THE FACT that Microsoft has been collaborating with AMD on the low down since 2013 developing XBOX SCORPIO even before it launched Xbox one and WHAT HAPPENED IS MICROSOFT FUNDED NEARLY 40% of the research n development costs associated with ZEN/VEGA which is how AMD was able to create the most powerful gaming CPU architecture ever created with ZEN and in exchange for the funding from Microsoft they were able to secure not just a great price on Xbox Scorpio chipsets but also they were able to secure a patent for the new custom architecture communication method which allows for the nearly 60% jump in power processing efficiency for the GPU and so yea this is a very big deal for Microsoft as the Xbox Scorpio is no joke people and my information comes straight from the horses mouth as I have a very close acquaintance who works for a major 1st party Microsoft games studio which has updated me with this information within the past 72 hours and while i can't and I won't publically expose my source due to his non disclosure agreement I will at least say that MICROSOFT WILL BE SHARING INFORMATION ON THE NEW PATENTED CONSOLE XBOX SCORPIO ARCHITECTURE SPECIFIC COMPONENT COMMUNICATION METHOD along with some benchmarks and other hardware specific details very soon either shortly before E3 and or at E3 so yea with all that being said I CANT WAIT TOO SHOVE THIS DOWN THE THROATS OF THE RICH PC MASTER RACE PRICKS WHO WILL BE ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED WHEN THEY REALIZE THE POWER N POTENTIAL OF XBOX SCORPIO IS GONNA BE VASTLY SUPERIOR TO THEIR PC RIG THEY WASTED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL and guess what they deserve it because they have made fun of us console peasants for so long and it's gonna be so gratifying when XBOX SCORPIO BITCH SMACKS THEIR SORRY OVER PRIVALGED PC MASTER RACE ASSES........

XBOX SCORPIO

8 core RYZEN CPU 2.8ghz

VEGA gpu 6 teraflops (9.6 Pc equivalent)

12gb gddr5x 320gb per second bandwidth)

MY FELLOW CONSOLE PEASENTS GET READY BECAUSE WERE TAKING OVER THE GAMING IDUSTRY WITH THE LAUNCH OF XBOX SCORPIO and no longer will be play second fiddle to Pc just because we spent less money

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The problem people ignore is that while you can play the same games, having having FPS gives you a competitive edge. On PC this is normal and you have to remedy this by lowering your graphics or upgrading your hardware ($$$) to get good enough fps. On consoles you can only buy the more expensive model. If you can't afford to do that, you're at a disadvantage. I said it for the PS4 Pro but few games seem to have taken advantage of higher FPS. In single player games, who cares. But in multiplayer games, the Scorpio giving an FPS advantage..say normal XBO gets 30fps (probably with dips to the teens lol) and Scorpio gets 60fps....that's a massively unfair advantage to Scorpio players, and they can't just disable shadows and what not to improve their performance.

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Does the absence of ESRAM mean were looking at a digital only console?

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Scorpio will be dead on arrival. No exclusives, locked mid range pc. A console's sucess was always in the game library and not in power. How can Microsoft screw up this gen so much, fire phil!

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@Ozosil: dude you're a Pc master race delusional prick that's completely misinformed dude ok lmao let me straighten you out bro.....

XBOX SCORPIO WILL BE EQUIVALENT TO AN ULTRA HIGH END PC AT LAUNCH AS FAR AS GAMING PERFORMANCE IS CONCERNED..

Xbox Scorpio Specs

Custom patented console only architecture developed in collaboration with MICROSOFT & AMD where Microsoft has developed a brand new communication method between components which results in a nearly 1 to 1 ultra low zero latency communication between all the components AS THIS NEW METHOD IS THE BIGGEST POWER N EFFICIENCY JUMP IN GRAPHICS PROCESSING SINCE XBOX 360 LAUNCHED with the first ever custom built unified graphics memory architecture where Xbox 360 was vastly superior to ultra high end Pc graphics cards for nearly 18 months after launch until Pc adopted the new unified memory architecture at which point obviously Pc caught up and surpassed consoles once again as far as gaming n graphics performance... Xbox Scorpio has the advantage this time because Microsoft has patented this new console specific architecture for Xbox Scorpio only which means Pc won't be adopting this new architecture anytime soon and this new 1 to 1 zero latency communication method allows for development on the Xbox Scorpio to be nearly 60% more graphically power efficient as opposed to the same exact equivalent Pc hardware which means for example the 6 teraflop gpu inside of Xbox Scorpio will be the equivalent to 9.6 teraflops in a gaming Pc graphics card as the extra 3.6 teraflops is a result of the new console specific architecture which allows Xbox Scorpio to have a 60% power efficiency advantage over the exact same Pc hardware....... The most exiting part about this is that Microsoft patented this new communication method which allows for a nearly 1 to 1 zero latency communication between the MEMORY, CPU, and GPU and it's specific only too Xbox Scorpio and it's a 5 year patent.......

The Xbox Scorpio is also going to have the most powerful gaming CPU on the market when it launches as its running the brand new 8 core summit ridge 97 watt RYZEN CPU @ 2.8ghz and if you know anything about the new zen CPU architecture from AMD then you know that the new RYZEN 8 core summit ridge CPU is beating intels most powerful 10 core i7-6900 in both single core and multi core benchmarks and the fact Xbox Scorpio will have this CPU is gonna be a straight bitch smack to Pc master race guys which will assuredly have an inferior CPU regardless of which CPU they have period....... The next biggest thing that Xbox Scorpio will have is a 6 teraflop AMD VEGA GPU that's down clocked and trimmed down to have 6 teraflops of graphics rendering power, however as I explained above this 6 teraflop AMD VEGA GPU will be equivalent to 9.6 teraflops of graphics processing compute power in a Pc graphics card and that's some serious business.......

The other thing Xbox Scorpio is using is 12gb of ultra fast gddr5x memory with 320gb per second memory bandwidth which is the same amount as the current gtx 1080 card.....

All in all the Xbox Scorpio will have the 8 core RYZEN CPU, 12gb gddr5x memory (320gb per second memory bandwidth) both coupled together with a 6 teraflop AMD VEGA GPU (rendering the equivalent of 9.6 teraflops of Pc graphics card compute power due to the new patented console architecture of Xbox Scorpio

THE FACT IS THE XBOX SCORPIO WONT BE A MID RANGE PC EQUIVALENT CONSOLE AT LAUNCH BUT RATHER XBOX SCORPIO WILL BE THE EQUIVALENT OF AN ULTRA HIGH END GAMING PC AS FAR AS GAMING PERFORMANCE IS CONCERNED and since only 10% of all Pc gaming rigs use ultra high end hardware that means 90% of all gaming rigs will be slaughtered by the performance of XBOX SCORPIO for years too come especially with the new patented communication method which won't be available on Pc graphics cards which means Xbox Scorpio will hold its advantage for quite some time......

Also due to the ultra high deep level of optimization that's available when developing games within a closed loop console type environment with an ultra low level CONSOLE SPECIFIC API that means the advantage is gonna be even that much more impressive....

Xbox Scorpio will have a CPU & GPU combination that rivals the highest end Pc gaming rigs in existence when it launches as its gonna absolutely crush 90% of all custom built gaming rigs in the 1,000 to 3,000 dollar range especially considering all this power which will include the fastest gaming CPU on the planet will all be inside of a closed loop console where developers will easily obtain NATIVE 4K 60fps gaming at the equivalent of Pc ultra settings.....

The last thing I wanna say is for those who think XBOX SCORPIO WILL BE TOO EXPENSIVE LOL THINK AGAIN BECAUSE MICROSOFT IS GONNA BE GETTING A VERY INSANELY CHEAP PRICE ON ITS CHIPSETS FROM AMD DUE TO THE FACT that Microsoft has been collaborating with AMD on the low down since 2013 developing XBOX SCORPIO even before it launched Xbox one and WHAT HAPPENED IS MICROSOFT FUNDED NEARLY 40% of the research n development costs associated with ZEN/VEGA which is how AMD was able to create the most powerful gaming CPU architecture ever created with ZEN and in exchange for the funding from Microsoft they were able to secure not just a great price on Xbox Scorpio chipsets but also they were able to secure a patent for the new custom architecture communication method which allows for the nearly 60% jump in power processing efficiency for the GPU and so yea this is a very big deal for Microsoft as the Xbox Scorpio is no joke people and my information comes straight from the horses mouth as I have a very close acquaintance who works for a major 1st party Microsoft games studio which has updated me with this information within the past 72 hours and while i can't and I won't publically expose my source due to his non disclosure agreement I will at least say that MICROSOFT WILL BE SHARING INFORMATION ON THE NEW PATENTED CONSOLE XBOX SCORPIO ARCHITECTURE SPECIFIC COMPONENT COMMUNICATION METHOD along with some benchmarks and other hardware specific details very soon either shortly before E3 and or at E3 so yea with all that being said I CANT WAIT TOO SHOVE THIS DOWN THE THROATS OF THE RICH PC MASTER RACE PRICKS WHO WILL BE ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED WHEN THEY REALIZE THE POWER N POTENTIAL OF XBOX SCORPIO IS GONNA BE VASTLY SUPERIOR TO THEIR PC RIG THEY WASTED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL and guess what they deserve it because they have made fun of us console peasants for so long and it's gonna be so gratifying when XBOX SCORPIO BITCH SMACKS THEIR SORRY OVER PRIVALGED PC MASTER RACE ASSES........

XBOX SCORPIO

8 core RYZEN CPU 2.8ghz

VEGA gpu 6 teraflops (9.6 Pc equivalent)

12gb gddr5x 320gb per second bandwidth)

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@Ozosil: blah blah blah

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I hope Sony follow ms on the backwards compatability feature I'd love it if all my PS4 games played on ps5

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@westsiderz28: This isn't MS next gen system...

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@westsiderz28: I think at the least, they will be forced in to it by this new Microsoft feature. As a console gamer, I love that going forward, all my X1 titles will work. I know PC you can do that almost as far back as you can think, but I like the simplicity of consoles.

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@jonnyhollywood: Consoles are now less simple than PCs, honestly. And low as hell. MS and PSN limit speeds for whatever reason but a patch that takes me 45 seconds to download on my PC takes me 20 minutes or more on XBO/PS4. It's insane. Also a lot of other garbage and factually costs more money to run a console than a PC now thanks to online fees and higher game costs.

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@Kougeru: I think costs even out in the long run, maybe a bit more expensive because of the game price gap on consoles, but that's not really a worry for me, I wait for sales for most games anyway.

By simplicity of consoles, I meant that you buy it, plug it in, and game for 4-8 years with an slowly improving visual fidelity. With a gaming PC, you generally spend more on the initial system, and then are teased with new components that will improve performance. I know I don't HAVE to buy new parts for a PC, but for me, that's a bother.

Just my personal experience.

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@Kougeru: that's such bullshit dude ok I hear quite a few people complain about Xbox & Ps4 limiting download speeds but I myself never had any such issues I HAVE A 340mb download speed at home and I downloaded gears of war 4 in around 18 minutes on Xbox one and then on PS4 I've had very similar results as my downloads are ultra fast whether it's full games, or updates to games, patches, system software, etc....... everything downloads super fast and so the reason other people have these problems is because instead of port forwarding and or dmz directly they simply use their default settings on gateway, modem, and or router and usually that means universal plug n play type port opening software which may replicate having an open nat when in reality it's not truly open completely and that's called UPNP and that's most likely a big part of the reason people have these issues.........

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@jonnyhollywood: yeah it's a nice thought that you will always be able to keep hold of your old games and play them in your current console

Thers loads of times I wanted to play an old ps2 or 3 game but couldn't be bothered to get out and wire up my old consoles

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You gotta love how sony fanboys are in full damage control mode with this whole "bottle-necking" business. Apparently, the aspect of making a game that works well on two different systems is too much for their tiny brains to comprehend. It makes you wonder what would happen if you showed them a 4k PC version of a game that's only 1080 or lower on ps4. Would their heads explode?

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@ExoticCharm: Both Sony and MS fanboys have been attacking PC for over a decade for having scaleability. ya'll hypocrites. Consoles except for handhelds, should die out and everyone should get PCs. It would be cheaper and better for everyone.

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@ExoticCharm: I fail to see why they would be.. I mean first off nobody here works for either company.... Secondly, the sales war is over, people need to stop talking about it.. MS will not catch Sony, but who cares? However, I will say Skyrim is native 4k on Pro and 1080p on regular Ps4, so that answers your question, no heads exploded....

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@batts86: I'm seeing plenty of heads exploding (and hypocrisy) in the comments section.

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@ExoticCharm: not denying that. I just said I fail see why they are. It doesn't make any sense.

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I may be in the minority... but I'm ok with these mid-cycle upgrades provided I can still play the same games. I don't own a 4k TV so I'm not really interested... but If I did that would definitely change my mind. We can all still play the same game at different settings. That's cool with me.

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@stickybun: I'm agree with you. No one is forced to upgrade but it's nice to have the option

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I know I'm in the minority, but this really infuriates me. I owned my Xbox 360 for 5+ years and gladly played games on it throughout the entire lifecycle. I've owned my One for about 1.5 years only to find out Kinect was a waste of an extra $100 and now Microsoft is going to make my purchase obsolete before we even have a decent catalog of originals or exclusive titles.

This doesn't just spit in the face of those who were loyalists, to begin with, this shits on our faces. If the Pro is really going to be "next-gen" level and eventually have exclusives or at the very least, exclusive features to its games, that makes owning an original Xbox One or the Xbox One Slim practically useless.

The PS4 Pro is just the other hyperbolic end of the PS4 spectrum. Sony fans have the Slim, The Original and the Pro, that makes sense and doesn't distort the ecosystem. The Scorpio is its own console, it entirely disrupts the life cycle of the One and makes it feel like I bought a Wii U. Stop pushing out new consoles before you've committed to making amazing games! Screw you for Scalebound and whatever Gears of War 4 was supposed to be.

I'm selling my One and reconsidering how I play games. Microsofts brilliant plan has lost them a long time fan.

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@elstickybandito: problem is I like xbox one but if a multiplat game comes out I always get the ps4 version because xbox one is underpowered. I'm sure they realize the mistake therefore scorpio big and beefy shit

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@elstickybandito:

1. They stopped putting the kinest in with the xbox more than 1.5 years ago. So you are a liar.

2. If you dont like the new console dont buy it.

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@elstickybandito:well you have to understand the xbox boss before Phil was borderline insane, thus the most anti-consumer console to date was released: the xbox one of 2013.

"I owned my Xbox 360 for 5+ years." I hate when i am reminded of how hellishly long last gen console cycle was due to all the fu*k ups microsoft and sony made. But, at least these consoles were relatively powerful at launch thus longer longevity (6 years max....not 7-8). Xbox one and ps4 were using very cheap hardware in comparison at launch, thus the need for upgraded consoles early on for consumers and most importantly developers. Sure devs have to work harder but now they will have the option of a bigger canvas and more colors to work with. This will allow devs to also depict their ideas to the fullest. #Final Fantasy XV

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@ishsgames: if MS was honest and just launched it as a next gen console fine. Xbox 360 launched 4 years after Xbox and it did great. Maybe they will change their mind when it launches? The most important note is the PRICE!!! If it is over $500.00 dollars then it will tank if it's under it will do well, and if it's the price then it will do okay.

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@elstickybandito: I think you are really confused about the mid cycle refresh. There is no difference between what Sony has done with the PS4 pro from what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox one Scorpio. Breakdown: Xbox one/PS4, Xbox one S/ps4 slim, and Xbox one Scorpio/PS4 pro. This actually will extend the life of your console not end it. My question to you is why do you have a problem with Microsoft doing the exact same thing as the Sony?

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@blast4me2: it depends on the PRICE. PS4 $400.00 PS4 PR0 $400.00

Xb1 $500 with Kinect later $400 without Scorpio $$$$ unknown. If $400.00 dollars then great 500 dollars okay, if $600.00 dollars or more it's going to not do well.

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@Ravenlore_basic: It depends on what you consider as well. It might not be affordable for everyone which is fine, that's why they sale a Xbox one S. The miss conception you have and a lot of commenting folks are having is that it's supposed to replace the Xbox one S, it's not. If you can't afford the $599 or what ever cost the Scorpio may be, then you have a cheaper option in the X1s ($299) that would play all the same Xbox games but just on lower settings then the Scorpio. That's it nothing more nothing less except VR.

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I think Microsoft is wrong to release a 'Pro' version of their console this year. I think they would be better off waiting another year and release a next gen console instead. They could have then used the Ryzen and Vega architecture in their console (can't see the Scorpio using this) and be looking at around 8TF's performance.

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@creation0: I agree, the timing is not perfect, and hopefully they aren't making the same mistake that Sony made at with the PS3 launch. The 360 was not as advanced, came out a year earlier, but was able to be more affordable, gaining it market share.

As long as they price the Scoprio at a decent price, it will be ok. Then they can do a full refresh on generations when the PS5 comes out. If people don't want to upgrade, they wont. But with the games all being backwards compatible going forward, I see the lines between generations blurring, at least for the Xbox family of consoles.

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Not surprising really, using a combination off DDR3 and ESRAM not only made the RAM slower for the XBOX, but also cost's more to produces as opposed to just using GDDR5.

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-"Because developers are not allowed to ship a Project Scorpio-only SKU, optimising for ESRAM remains critical to performance on Microsoft platforms."-

This right here is the big question. If this is true it has major implications for Microsoft's new console. Even though its not an official statement we shall all find out soon enough.

-WAIT AND SEE NINJA APPROVED-

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@videogameninja: with scorpio releasing, wouldn't be surprised if devs start rebelling and abandon optimization for x1 since the xScorpio is much easier to develop for.

cant wait for 720p/24 FPS master race with AC launch-like textures ^>.<^

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faux- k

is not ok.

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It will work the same way it works when a new system comes out, there will end up being 2 games available, one for the Xbox 1 and one for scorpio, the Scorpio will end up having more things in it like they did to cod with the 360 and the Xbox one. The game will release for both consoles but probably be 2 completely different versions until you upgrade, that way it makes people want to get the newer system when all the games are missing different things

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@shaggy1985: yep all in one disc. Any changes technically will be patched online.

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@shaggy1985: No, it will probably be like the PS4 Pro, same disc.

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@shaggy1985: its one game on one disc,the game will perform depended on the device...like with pcs

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@sladakrobot: This. Also, it will probably have one of those ribbons on the box art "Better with Scorpio" just like they had them for Kinect enabled titles.

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LMAO!

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I'm a Sony only guy, not ripping on Xbox in this comment though. What if Microsoft is making the Scorpio forward compatible? Would make sense with it coming out later in the generation and it's way more powerful than the console it is going side by side with. Be a smart move if they did it.

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@mjonk2pc: I think that is what's happening here. a true PC in sheeps clothing. I think it's brilliant. As new display tech becomes available and is adopted, iterate on the console and supply according to demand. All your old games play, all the new games play and consumers eventually upgrade as games play too slow on their older systems, with no remorse since the old games library follows. That design philosophy may end up being divisive, though.

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@mjonk2pc: If they stick with PC architecture then like the PC backwards compatibility may just become a non-issue. Of course it would still be subject to "business" decisions, but the technical barriers would be gone.

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The Xbox named has been leaked, Outdated, Overpriced, Overhyped.

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