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Xbox Series X Isn't Only About Better Graphics, Phil Spencer Says

Phil Spencer says "that might sound depressing to some," but there is more to the story.

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Microsoft is releasing a new Xbox this year with the Xbox Series X, and while the graphics will indeed look better than current-gen games, the jump in visuals might not be as pronounced as before in the last console transition. Xbox boss Phil Spencer spoke about this during a Gamelab interview.

While the increase in visuals might not be as immediately identifiable with Xbox Series X compared to Xbox One, Spencer said next-generation games will feel more "immersive" thanks to the power of the Series X.

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"I think we're at a point now--with immersion, with the tools we have and the compute capability--that the deltas will be smaller from a visual impact, or that feature X was never possible before and now it is," Spencer said, as reported by GI.biz. "And that might sound depressing to some, but what I would say is the advantage side of what I'm seeing now is really the immersive nature of the content that's getting created."

The Xbox Series X (and the PS5, for that matter) will use its expanded horsepower to improve load times and frame rates, Spencer said.

"We're able to get to almost lifelike graphics today, even on current-gen in certain instances," Spencer said. "But when you take that and you mix it with a very high frame rate, solid frame rate, very little latency in input, and the ability for game storytellers to really push the emotion and the story they're trying to get through their game, through the screen, through the controller and into you? That is something I'm feeling in the games now that is a dramatic step up."

Spencer said next-generation games that leverage this new technology will be capable of achieving "even more feeling and impact."

The Xbox Series X releases this holiday with Halo Infinite as a launch title. Microsoft will release more details on Halo Infinite and the company's other upcoming exclusives during an event in July.

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Lol good luck MS.

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Want to do something different that feels like a step forward?

Give the Series X support for VR headsets, where it either supports the same headsets and controllers as PC, or has full parity with them, and is thus superior to PSVR with its Move wands.

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@Spartan_418: VR headset for what purpose?

I was talking to someone the other day, who was saying VR for Sony is expensive and glitchy (I haven't verified myself). At any rate VR sounds about as appealing as Kinect...not something I have any desire to want to use. You get into VR feels like it takes away from the gaming experience. I'm actually glad Xbox isn't going that route...

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@bababooey12: Dismissing VR as a Kinect-tier gimmick is something you only really hear from people who haven't tried it at all, which I get the impression is the case here. "takes away from the gaming experience" How, exactly?

Not surprised to hear bad feedback about PSVR, which might be the lowest-quality way to play VR games, with the lowest-res displays, controllers that weren't even designed for VR, less capable tracking camera etc

Half-Life: Alyx, Boneworks, and Google Earth VR are examples of very worthwhile VR games and apps on PC, which I'd like to see a console be capable of too. Seems like a waste not to at least provide the option, when the Series X will be a powerful piece of standardized hardware. You could provide high quality VR games, equal to the ones on PC, while ensuring that everyone has the same experience with them.

Also MS already pushes their own Windows Mixed Reality headsets, so why wouldn't you want your VR-capable console to help sell them?

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@Spartan_418: so what you are saying is VR is great for it comes to PC. Well, we are talking about consoles here, a big issue with the kinect, is the lack of developers wanting to utilize it etc, would that not also apply to console VR. As have to have the developers willing to take advantage of VR etc. That is what I meant by taking away from the gaming exp, that is time that could be used elsewhere. ..

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He’s right it’s really about Halo Infinite! So where is the gameplay Phil?!? I need that gameplay trailer.

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Build a more flexible text to speech engine that can believably simulate all ages and types of people. That would allow for an order of magnitude jump in immersive dialog for NPCs.

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@datameister: Sounds like something pervs will use to trick little kids.

#scarystuff

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@louixiii: Sad that we even have to limit ourselves that way isn't it. But if it got into the hands of the wrong people... #shiver

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@consolehaven: I'd rather a feature like that isn't featured at all for the sake of any kids using consoles.

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The Console to Play them at their Best...Series X

Anything else is just compromises!

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@johnny0779: They'll look better on Series X but run better on PS5

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@louixiii: why would they run better on ps5? The hardware is worse, soooo that makes no sense.

It’s still good though from what we know, as long as they keep the noise in check like Microsoft does.

I like series x for the backwards compatibility and lack of sealed consumables as sort of the controller though, even if it weren’t more powerful.

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@wolfpup7: The SSD is over twice as fast which means it'll load textures and sections of the game instantly for a smoother experience but Series X will allow for even more detail on a single screen. Both will be really close performance wise since their CPU is pretty much the same but Series X has a slightly better GPU but it's not like the performance doubles the PS5. It's still a close race there too.

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@louixiii: keep telling yourself that, we shall see...

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@louixiii: false, they will run better on the series X, better gpu + cpu. They will load a bit faster on the PS5 tho.

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@masscrack: unless they take full advantage of streaming data

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At this point, I’m expecting serious diminishing returns in terms of graphics. I think it would be more impactful to focus on asset numbers. Would be nice to look at a horde of zombies without seeing 9 of the same guy.

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@glaciusts: I think we'll see a difference without looking hard enough. Also, in a year or two, the level of immersion in new titles will be unmatched in new gen exclusive games. So, technically it is a diminishing return in graphics, but isn't on a whole other very important level.

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Without hardware acceleration, this work could have been done in the shaders, but would have consumed over 13 TFLOPs alone. For the Xbox Series X, this work is offloaded onto dedicated hardware and the shader can continue to run in parallel with full performance. In other words, Series X can effectively tap the equivalent of well over 25 TFLOPs of performance while ray tracing.

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@CivilizedPsycho: hahaha

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@psychomantisiii: Are you laughing because you think him a fool, or because you know it to be true and it's more maniacal than mocking? Just in case you don't know, what he says is documented. That said, I don't know how it compares to Sony's specs or RTX cards on the market, like, factoring ray tracing is PS5 pushing 19 TFLOPs? It's also documented that there is a lot more going on that TFLOPs alone can't account for. Either way, this current gen has got me as excited as the days of the Gamecube!

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Microsoft is closing ALL of it's stores worldwide.

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@wtf_666: ya bcuz a brick and mortar store is completely useless for microsoft whos software and products are sold worldwide in most big box stores and online. so a store of their own was a giant waste of funds and time. also they are keeping FOUR stores open and calling them experience centers. no products will be sold at them.

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All I want is exclusives, the only reason I care about consoles.... the Xbox One has none, I haven’t turned mine on since 2015.

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@Terrorantula: Well, Gamepass kind of makes up for it, especially if you have an xbox one x because a lot of 3rd party games look and play best on that console.

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@Terrorantula: Same here. I'm not into Forza or Gears. Last game I played was Halo 5. But I'm hoping they bring more exclusives thsi time around because the 360 era was great (minus the red ring of course).

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@Terrorantula: how many ps really has? god of war, last of us, zero dawn and spiderman. others have jumped to pc as well or have a direct counterpoint like gran turismo

great games but 5-10 games is easily interchangeable. i can play battlefront 2 the time that i would have played tlou2 and not notice a difference.

there is the term fear of missing out but there should also be a term of interchangeability. ofc im a bit out of the loop since after 2012 i havent bought more than 2 games per year so im not drooling for every new game

if xbox can offer 5-10 games worth buying per year exclusives or not, has an acceptable price and is more convenient than the modern almost-pcs then they are in a good place. if they allow me to now and then put in one of the old gen games and me to get rid of my old machines then its just day 1 buy

big issue i think is with microtransactions. nintendo and sony havent been pretty good about it with their own games. halo and forza has monetization on par with bf and bf so theres rarely pure oldschool games. that why i want to be able to put in something like dmc hd collection or human revolution. just a clean a to b run without grinding supposed to support microtransactions

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@PrpleTrtleBuBum: Sony's exclusives on ps4 weren't just good games, though. Almost all of them were GOTY caliber games that sold over 10m copies. Lets be honest here, if you don't care about Halo, Gears or Forza there hasn't been a single noteworthy exclusive since the 360 came out. People care about exclusives. Why you think the Switch is selling so well? The problem with MS is that they've been milking Halo and Gears for far too long and they don't have the appeal they had 10 years ago. Ms needs to come up with some new stuff that clearly show why the series x is so powerful. Nobody cares about specs, they want to see the games. Sony did and now ms really needs to hit it out of the park on July if they plan to slown down sony's momentum.

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@PrpleTrtleBuBum: Franchises include GOW, Uncharted, Horizon, Killzone, Infamous, TLOU, Spiderman, Ratchet&Clank, Bloodborne, Nioh, Gravity Rush, Demon Souls, Little Big Planet, Grand Turismo, Street Fighter, King of Fighters, Ni No Kuni and that's not even all of them. Those are just a few of the bigger franchises.

Microsoft got their work cut out for them. If they can secure more 3rd party exclusive content (not timed exclusive content neither) and bring back some of the franchises (like Fable and Otogi) that made them worth owning aside from the obvious ones (Halo, Gears, Forza) , maybe they'll have a chance but it's an uphill battle even with all of that horsepower.

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@louixiii:

Sorry bruh, a lot more to play on XB1x & XBsX!!!!!!

Great XB games: Gears, Halo, TitanFalls, Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct, Forza, Bleeding Edge, State Of Decay, Hellblade, Phantom Dust, Crackdown 3 & Starpoint Gemini 2. Recore, Rare Replay, Crimson Dragon, Cup Head, Ori, Quantum Break, Ghost of a Tale, LocoCycle, Quantum Rush, & Tokyo Warfare Turbo, Voodoo Vince: Remastered, Crimson Skies, Voyage of the Dead, & Zombie Driver are great games too!

Grounded, Everwild, Halo Infinite, Scorn, Hellblade 2, Ori 2, Battletoads, & CrossfireX are coming.

XBOG & XB360 AWESOME BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE GAMES (with UPDATED GRAPHICS, IMPROVED FRAMERATE & better experience!):

Half-life orange box, Crysis 1-3, Dead space 1-3, Mass effect 1-3, Alien vs predator, Star Wars force unleashed 1-2, Ace combat 6, Hawx, Lost planet 1-3, Ninja Gaiden 2/3, Left 4 dead 1-2, Prince of Persia series, Zone of enders, EDF OG series, Midway arcade series, Capcom arcade cabinet, Pacman museum, TimeShift, Peter Jackson's King Kong, Asura's Wrath, Call of Juarez series, Dirt 3, Dirt Showdown, Split second, Stuntman ignition, Sonic all star racing transformed, Toy Story 3, Metal Gear rising, Red faction series, Far Cry OG series, Hard core uprising, Virtual on OT, Assault Heroes 2, Alice madness returns, Shadow of the damned, Duke Nukem series, Triggerheart exelica, Sega bass fishing, Hydro thunder, Frogger, Nights into dreams, Panzer Dragoon, Crimson skies, Fuzion frenzy & many more!

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@just1mohr: xD

I can't believe you went to the trouble of listing all of those old games. Dude, I've thoroughly beaten every I ever wanted to play. I'm not buying a next gen console to play OLD games lol That's crazy. I want new challenges and new stories. If I want a little nostalgia, I'll hook up an older console :D

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@louixiii: didnt they say uncharted is done? infamous, bloodborne, gravity rush and a bunch of others from those last released about 5 years ago as far as i know. doesnt mean they cant wake up or get a replacing ip but still

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@PrpleTrtleBuBum: this year it's dreams, MLB, nioh 2, persona, ff7, tlou2, ghost of Tsushima (next month) and some other smaller titles.

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@PrpleTrtleBuBum: They said the same thing about a lot of games throughout history but I bet your bottom dollar an Uncharted 5 will be announced next gen. Nioh 2, Spiderman, TLoU2, Nino Kuni 2 and ToG are exclusives released within the past couple years.

My point is they release a lot more quality exclusives than MS. That's a fact but MS can make a comeback. Will they?Highly doubt it but anything is possible.

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@louixiii: I think they have in recent years after Microsoft shut down a lot of their teams, but they’ve built back up in (more) recent years and have equivalent capacity now, with some of my favorite developers ever. I think they’ll mostly have crossover, and both have great exclusives.

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@wolfpup7: Time will tell. Perfect Dark and Fable are on the way to back up Gears, Halo and Forza so we'll see.

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DId anybody say games, you guys want games and are waiting for the games. Well, we have the games & the games (DLC) for the games if you are interested in gaming for gamers. You will be inundated with games & your wallets will scream away from the games. Heck man, even if they Scalebound us, I just want to see tons of games & be floored by their reveal. I want my eyes to bleed from the particle effects & to cry hallelujah our saviors have come!

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And the cost of that is...? I mean hey, I like pretty graphics, but ask the folks at studios like Rockstar and Naughty Dog how they feel about having even more power to play with to create even more immersive games. You know, those people that work 100-hour work weeks to get this shit done and out the door. I'm sure they're thrilled.

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Phil and Microsoft really need to keep their mouths shut and avoid the overhype. They and the compliant games media talked up their May event and look how that turned out.

Phil and his people at this point need to go into a hole, initiate a media gag order, plan out every detail of the July event PERFECTLY, and show rather than tell about all the good stuff they have in the pipeline.

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@GalvatronType_R: Disagree! They showed a PEEK of SOME of the games as they said they would. They showed many games with actual GAMEPLAY! Sony's reveal also had games that were just game trailers, like Spiderman, but nobody was beeitchin! It's all the Pony's who were in an uproar over nothing really.

Sorry I was not that impressed by Sony's reveal! I only want Ratchet & Clank & maybe Horizon based on gameplay to be seen in the future! Now if Sony did a new Killzone & Resistance with improved controls and with campaign, local & online co-op then oh hell yea I am in!

Meanwhile on XB so far I want : Bright Memory Infinite, Second Extinction, Halo, & warming up to Hellblade 2 now!

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@GalvatronType_R: Agreed

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@GalvatronType_R: Which I'm sure they'd love to do, but if what you're marketing is how games feel, it's nigh on impossible to get that across a computer screen. That said, the PS5 reveal even was only better in the respect that Sony showed what seemed to be actual gameplay and most demos were a couple of minutes long instead of in-engine like MS with its reveal event and under minute long demos. I liked both presentations and am getting both consoles day 1. Lucky me.

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i'm good if there's great game coming for it.

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