Old 3-d syndrome?

Hey guys, i always have had this problem, and it is progressivly getting worse. Let me begin by explaining the title. I have trouble going back and playing games on systems if the games were 3d. I do not have this problem with 2d, but for some reason, ive gotten so used to 360, I just can't seem to have the same bit of fun with PS2 games even. I have only one exception to this and that was the sega dreamcast, so far i have not gone back and played one game that i enjoyed before only to find out i do not like them anymore.

I just don't understand it. I am always gameplay > graphics, but i seem to have this odd problem with going back to 3d games and loving them the same way. For example, I LOVED timesplitters (the series) and just recently i revisited it. Well, it was alright, but it just wasn't the same game to me. I used to have this insane addiction, i played the 3rd one for over 100 hours. I just don't find these games as enjoyable.

Its getting quite annoying too, I know I should be able to enjoy these games, but it just doesn't seem the same .

I don't have much of an issue with it. Maybe it's the old FPS fan in me, but I rarely have a problem with it, unless it's an adventure game, because really, most 3d adventure games do pale in comparison (in terms of gameplay) to modern ones.

I don't have much of an issue with it. Maybe it's the old FPS fan in me, but I rarely have a problem with it, unless it's an adventure game, because really, most 3d adventure games do pale in comparison (in terms of gameplay) to modern ones.

Apathetic_Prick

Can't help you, dude...Pong still boggles my mind. jollyroger78

I think your problem has to do with the fact that the older 3D games have ancient control schemes, especially with camera movement, when compared to most games today that have good controls thanks to things like a second analog stick. That's something I have a problem with nowadays with some gamesusagi704

I think your problem has to do with the fact that the older 3D games have ancient control schemes, especially with camera movement, when compared to most games today that have good controls thanks to things like a second analog stick. That's something I have a problem with nowadays with some gamesusagi704

I don't have much of an issue with it. Maybe it's the old FPS fan in me, but I rarely have a problem with it, unless it's an adventure game, because really, most 3d adventure games do pale in comparison (in terms of gameplay) to modern ones.

Apathetic_Prick

I have to agree. Old FPSs arn't bad, but old 3d action/adventures can be absolutely terrible... mostly control issues, but sometimes the interactivity of the world.

Falcon, I actually didn't like Super Mario 64 from day-one, so, yeah :P

However, I'm quite sure I could get into Ocarina of Time or even F-Zero-X. I have played anolder Tomb Raider game (Revelations?), and even for something that came out only 8 years ago, it had god-awful controls. At least I got a better look at Lara'scans and ass due to it being on the PC, and thus having the option of a higher resolution ;)

Unfortunately, the whole package is the other side of silicon, so it didn't exactly do anything for me :P

But if I could get it to work, I could easily go back and enjoy games like Blade of Darkness and Rune, both older 3d action games. Actually, Rune works...:P

I agree that it is difficult to play early 3-D games, particularly action titles, for the reasons outlined above -- it the early days of 3D camera and control issues were still being experimented with.

I have no problem with the low poly-counts in games where the camera is essentially fixed, like most sports, fighters and shooters, but when you pull back to the third-person perspective most of those early 3Dgames are not playable.

[QUOTE="jollyroger78"]Can't help you, dude...Pong still boggles my mind. falconclan

I guess I was a bit vague there...my point was that the mere fact that I can press a button and manipulate something on a screen still fascinates me. I have no trouble playing Halo, and then going back to GoldenEye. Or getting done with Soul Calibur III and popping in Soul Blade. The fact that, with a controller in my hand, I can bend an object on a TV screen to my will still fills me with child-like wonder.

Which is basically a long-winded way of saying that, while I see where you're coming from, I can't relate.

this is turning out to be an opinion based thing...

I can still enjoy F-Zero X but never liked SM64... ever. also I never liked ANY of the 3D Zelda games... to be blunt; I really don't like 3D at all... but whatever the case with all of us; it seems we all have issues with some form of older 3D enviroment... most of my problem lays in the speed of older games... old 3D games tend to run alot slower then you remember... compared to now adays games it seems like games have just gotten faster... hmmmm... food for thought...

Now i remember why i couldn't get back into Goldeneye, I went back and played it and it wasn't the camera, obviously. The controls were harder (without a second joystick I just had a harder time), but the WORST problem was the framerate. I had no idea games were this choppy back then, really i remember it running smoothly, but it just isn't the same anymore.

I guess the reason we used to be able to play them was because it was the best of the best back then and it just didn't seem bad at all, but really the big problem I have is with framerate.

Yeah, Goldeneye's framerate, iirc, doesn't exceed 25 fps. I'm surprised you can still play Doom then, as its framerate is 23 FPS - that's a fact, btw. I learned that when I was making weapon mods, because if oyu don't know how many tics (frame moments, if you will) ar needed per animation frame, you can't determine rate of fire very well.Apathetic_Prick

see, I have never really noticed framerate... I too take a few min to allocate to not having a second pad. second pads have spoiled us...

I have that problem especiallywith the PS1 and the N64. But then again, I almost swore off games during those years because even at that time I had major problems with what they could do with 3d, not to mention many of the games made me sick.

At first after getting my 360, I had problems going back to most of the PS2 gen games, mainly because the 360 looked so good on the big plasma, and the ps2 did not, even with component cables and there was a big difference playing games on the 50inch screen vs. the 27 inch screen. Eventually, I got over that and have just finished playing DQVIII on the SDTV and am almost done with FFX. I also realized which games look good for the PS2 on the HDTV (cartoony, cellshaded, just not realistic looking games).

The poor N64, It's one control stick really doesnt bond well now in the 20th centry :/

Most of the time graphics don't really don't bother me. But i'll give some examples anyway.

An example of anold game which I cannot get into due to poor controls would have to be jet Force Gemini. It's just too hard to aim at all the moving things with only one stick.

An example of an old game which I can't play due to poor Graphics would have to be Perfect Dark. It may have looked good back in the good ol days but Now days I couldn't even see myself through the building becasue the textures were just too muddled.

Where as some games like Spyro, Banjo Kazooie, Turok (to some extent) are all quite playable to this day :)

I mainly just can't play old 3D shooter, the characters just don't look realistic anymore. Also sporting titles made before 2003 are also unplayable for me now. Just not enough options.KlownMaster

I can't play CURRENT sporting titles... too realistic... I like older sports games like Blades of Steel, Mutant League Hockey, Base Wars, Ice Hocky, ect.

[QUOTE="KlownMaster"]I mainly just can't play old 3D shooter, the characters just don't look realistic anymore. Also sporting titles made before 2003 are also unplayable for me now. Just not enough options.waflerevolution

I can't play CURRENT sporting titles... too realistic... I like older sports games like Blades of Steel, Mutant League Hockey, Base Wars, Ice Hocky, ect.

I'm with ya on that. The only recent sports title I liked was Deathrow...which was more of a beat-'em-up...Going from Blades of Steel to that Stanley Cup game on the SNES was hard enough; when I first played NHL...I think it was NHL 1999, I wanted to throw the controller, it was so frustrating. I mean, it's just ice hockey :| NHL Hitz was cool, though, it was arcady enough to be enjoyable by the less hardcore crowd.

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[QUOTE="KlownMaster"]I mainly just can't play old 3D shooter, the characters just don't look realistic anymore. Also sporting titles made before 2003 are also unplayable for me now. Just not enough options.Apathetic_Prick

I can't play CURRENT sporting titles... too realistic... I like older sports games like Blades of Steel, Mutant League Hockey, Base Wars, Ice Hocky, ect.

I'm with ya on that. The only recent sports title I liked was Deathrow...which was more of a beat-'em-up...Going from Blades of Steel to that Stanley Cup game on the SNES was hard enough; when I first played NHL...I think it was NHL 1999, I wanted to throw the controller, it was so frustrating. I mean, it's just ice hockey :| NHL Hitz was cool, though, it was arcady enough to be enjoyable by the less hardcore crowd.

Deathrow was awesome, needless violence and cursing isn't usually something I enjoy but that game was fun-tastic... I always won by killing the other team... just like Mutant League Hockey...

I loved NHL Hitz Pro because it played very arcady and had alot of customization and a great sountrack.

the last Basketball game I enjoyed was NBA Jam TE... and as far as I know, I've never enjoyed a Football (american) game...

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[QUOTE="KlownMaster"]I mainly just can't play old 3D shooter, the characters just don't look realistic anymore. Also sporting titles made before 2003 are also unplayable for me now. Just not enough options.KlownMaster

I can't play CURRENT sporting titles... too realistic... I like older sports games like Blades of Steel, Mutant League Hockey, Base Wars, Ice Hocky, ect.

I enjoy the over the top sports games of the past, I just can't play old sports games that are supposed to be realistic.

I don't like sports but unrealistic ones tend to be somewhat amusing to me.

[QUOTE="Apathetic_Prick"][QUOTE="waflerevolution"]

[QUOTE="KlownMaster"]I mainly just can't play old 3D shooter, the characters just don't look realistic anymore. Also sporting titles made before 2003 are also unplayable for me now. Just not enough options.waflerevolution

I can't play CURRENT sporting titles... too realistic... I like older sports games like Blades of Steel, Mutant League Hockey, Base Wars, Ice Hocky, ect.

I'm with ya on that. The only recent sports title I liked was Deathrow...which was more of a beat-'em-up...Going from Blades of Steel to that Stanley Cup game on the SNES was hard enough; when I first played NHL...I think it was NHL 1999, I wanted to throw the controller, it was so frustrating. I mean, it's just ice hockey :| NHL Hitz was cool, though, it was arcady enough to be enjoyable by the less hardcore crowd.

Deathrow was awesome, needless violence and cursing isn't usually something I enjoy but that game was fun-tastic... I always won by killing the other team... just like Mutant League Hockey...

I loved NHL Hitz Pro because it played very arcady and had alot of customization and a great sountrack.

the last Basketball game I enjoyed was NBA Jam TE... and as far as I know, I've never enjoyed a Football (american) game...

Only basketball game I ever liked was Arch Rivals :|

Only basketball game I ever liked was Arch Rivals :|

Apathetic_Prick

Arch Rivals was classic, that's why I like NHL Hitz Pro as well -- you can shove people over at any time. You may want to try NBA JAM for the SNES or Genesis. Same stuff kind of set up, 2 on 2 basketball, arcady, funny. No-one beats Stockton and Malone on that game (at least when I was playing).

Back to the topic though, I can play 'polgony' sports titles without problems, like Kobe Bryant's Courtside for the N64, or any of the baseball games for the N64 or Saturn. I think it is because of the resons stated earlier, even though the characters are 3d the camera is mostly fixed.

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Only basketball game I ever liked was Arch Rivals :|

aspro73

Arch Rivals was classic, that's why I like NHL Hitz Pro as well -- you can shove people over at any time. You may want to try NBA JAM for the SNES or Genesis. Same stuff kind of set up, 2 on 2 basketball, arcady, funny. No-one beats Stockton and Malone on that game (at least when I was playing).

Back to the topic though, I can play 'polgony' sports titles without problems, like Kobe Bryant's Courtside for the N64, or any of the baseball games for the N64 or Saturn. I think it is because of the resons stated earlier, even though the characters are 3d the camera is mostly fixed.

plus you could play as Bill Clinton... and he had a zipper hanging from his mouth...

[QUOTE="aspro73"][QUOTE="Apathetic_Prick"]

Only basketball game I ever liked was Arch Rivals :|

waflerevolution

Arch Rivals was classic, that's why I like NHL Hitz Pro as well -- you can shove people over at any time. You may want to try NBA JAM for the SNES or Genesis. Same stuff kind of set up, 2 on 2 basketball, arcady, funny. No-one beats Stockton and Malone on that game (at least when I was playing).

Back to the topic though, I can play 'polgony' sports titles without problems, like Kobe Bryant's Courtside for the N64, or any of the baseball games for the N64 or Saturn. I think it is because of the resons stated earlier, even though the characters are 3d the camera is mostly fixed.

plus you could play as Bill Clinton... and he had a zipper hanging from his mouth...

Heh, niiiice.

I looked through all these and, sorry if I missed anyone that has the same issue, but I only have an issue specifically with playing 3D PSOne games. Even N64 games I do fine with, but I can't do PSOne. The real lack of polygons and any real background details and many times weak sound just astounds me as to how that system became so popular back in the day (I know back then it was cool, but now, even the N64 seems such a step ahead of PSOne). It probably had to do with the price difference in games (actuall,y I know it did)Yagami-Iori

Sony owns the media. you should take a look at SHEATH's site he compares PS1 games to other systems games of the same type and time period.

I agree that some of the PS1 games are intollerable now...

Seeing as how I'm an avid Nintendo 64 fan, I don't have this problem. Heck, I even fire up some 3D Super NES games now and then. Anyone up for a Stunt Race FX race?Mop_it_up

that barely counts... was a good game though...

It could just be that early 3d games from the nineties looked like ass to begin with.FiestaUnicorn

I have never and will never complain about visuals as gameplay is the only thing that matters to me.

[QUOTE="Yagami-Iori"]I looked through all these and, sorry if I missed anyone that has the same issue, but I only have an issue specifically with playing 3D PSOne games. Even N64 games I do fine with, but I can't do PSOne. The real lack of polygons and any real background details and many times weak sound just astounds me as to how that system became so popular back in the day (I know back then it was cool, but now, even the N64 seems such a step ahead of PSOne). It probably had to do with the price difference in games (actuall,y I know it did)waflerevolution

Sony owns the media. you should take a look at SHEATH's site he compares PS1 games to other systems games of the same type and time period.

I agree that some of the PS1 games are intollerable now...

Seeing as how I'm an avid Nintendo 64 fan, I don't have this problem. Heck, I even fire up some 3D Super NES games now and then. Anyone up for a Stunt Race FX race?Mop_it_up

that barely counts... was a good game though...

It could just be that early 3d games from the nineties looked like ass to begin with.FiestaUnicorn

I have never and will never complain about visuals as gameplay is the only thing that matters to me.

[QUOTE="waflerevolution"]

[QUOTE="Yagami-Iori"]I looked through all these and, sorry if I missed anyone that has the same issue, but I only have an issue specifically with playing 3D PSOne games. Even N64 games I do fine with, but I can't do PSOne. The real lack of polygons and any real background details and many times weak sound just astounds me as to how that system became so popular back in the day (I know back then it was cool, but now, even the N64 seems such a step ahead of PSOne). It probably had to do with the price difference in games (actuall,y I know it did)falconclan

Sony owns the media. you should take a look at SHEATH's site he compares PS1 games to other systems games of the same type and time period.

I agree that some of the PS1 games are intollerable now...

Seeing as how I'm an avid Nintendo 64 fan, I don't have this problem. Heck, I even fire up some 3D Super NES games now and then. Anyone up for a Stunt Race FX race?Mop_it_up

that barely counts... was a good game though...

It could just be that early 3d games from the nineties looked like ass to begin with.FiestaUnicorn

I have never and will never complain about visuals as gameplay is the only thing that matters to me.

[QUOTE="Yagami-Iori"]I looked through all these and, sorry if I missed anyone that has the same issue, but I only have an issue specifically with playing 3D PSOne games. Even N64 games I do fine with, but I can't do PSOne. The real lack of polygons and any real background details and many times weak sound just astounds me as to how that system became so popular back in the day (I know back then it was cool, but now, even the N64 seems such a step ahead of PSOne). It probably had to do with the price difference in games (actuall,y I know it did)waflerevolution

Sony owns the media. you should take a look at SHEATH's site he compares PS1 games to other systems games of the same type and time period.

I agree that some of the PS1 games are intollerable now...

Yeah, I'm the same way with the whole gamepay thing (heck, I play Atari)... but there's something about PSOne in 3D that is just so empty & unpolished many times.

[QUOTE="falconclan"][QUOTE="waflerevolution"]

[QUOTE="Yagami-Iori"]I looked through all these and, sorry if I missed anyone that has the same issue, but I only have an issue specifically with playing 3D PSOne games. Even N64 games I do fine with, but I can't do PSOne. The real lack of polygons and any real background details and many times weak sound just astounds me as to how that system became so popular back in the day (I know back then it was cool, but now, even the N64 seems such a step ahead of PSOne). It probably had to do with the price difference in games (actuall,y I know it did)usagi704

Sony owns the media. you should take a look at SHEATH's site he compares PS1 games to other systems games of the same type and time period.

I agree that some of the PS1 games are intollerable now...

Seeing as how I'm an avid Nintendo 64 fan, I don't have this problem. Heck, I even fire up some 3D Super NES games now and then. Anyone up for a Stunt Race FX race?Mop_it_up

that barely counts... was a good game though...

It could just be that early 3d games from the nineties looked like ass to begin with.FiestaUnicorn

I have never and will never complain about visuals as gameplay is the only thing that matters to me.

If Ninja Gaiden were on teh N64, it would at least look as good as Turok 2, one would hope :P

The only game that really made my eyes bleed was quake. I don't have a problem with blurry graphics, but I do havea problem with crappy colour palettes; that definitely makes a huge difference.

Oh you don't know how many times that ive said that, and i now regret each and every time. Graphics are another part of gameplay, there are literally games out there that make my eyes hurt because the graphics are so bad. Personally thats not fun to me. Pretty games aren't always the greatest, but graphics are sometimes what makes a game so amazing to play. Think about playing ninja gaiden on the ps2... or n64 :P...falconclan

I'd hate to attack your opinion but it sounds like your stating fact there... I wouldn't mind if a 2-D action game came out on any system. I still wholely dislike 3D games in general. I almost stopped playing games when they crossed into 3D... hence why I didn't have an N64 till 2001. whatever the case, I disagree.

What do you have to say regarding the upcoming Ninja Gaiden for DS, then? :Pusagi704

also Front Mission First.

If Ninja Gaiden were on teh N64, it would at least look as good as Turok 2, one would hope :P

The only game that really made my eyes bleed was quake. I don't have a problem with blurry graphics, but I do havea problem with crappy colour palettes; that definitely makes a huge difference.

Apathetic_Prick

LOL no way... I just beat Quake on the Saturn a few weeks ago so I'd be caught up story-wise to play Quake II... then 4... III had no story... was Areana and Revolution... played like crappy clones of Unreal... though QIII online was SICK!

[QUOTE="falconclan"]Oh you don't know how many times that ive said that, and i now regret each and every time. Graphics are another part of gameplay, there are literally games out there that make my eyes hurt because the graphics are so bad. Personally thats not fun to me. Pretty games aren't always the greatest, but graphics are sometimes what makes a game so amazing to play. Think about playing ninja gaiden on the ps2... or n64 :P...waflerevolution

I'd hate to attack your opinion but it sounds like your stating fact there... I wouldn't mind if a 2-D action game came out on any system. I still wholely dislike 3D games in general. I almost stopped playing games when they crossed into 3D... hence why I didn't have an N64 till 2001. whatever the case, I disagree.

Thats how you make a good arguement, stating something as if it were fact. You basically stated what ive believed all along, Id rather have it 2d or good 3d...

[QUOTE="usagi704"][QUOTE="falconclan"][QUOTE="waflerevolution"]

[QUOTE="Yagami-Iori"]I looked through all these and, sorry if I missed anyone that has the same issue, but I only have an issue specifically with playing 3D PSOne games. Even N64 games I do fine with, but I can't do PSOne. The real lack of polygons and any real background details and many times weak sound just astounds me as to how that system became so popular back in the day (I know back then it was cool, but now, even the N64 seems such a step ahead of PSOne). It probably had to do with the price difference in games (actuall,y I know it did)falconclan

Sony owns the media. you should take a look at SHEATH's site he compares PS1 games to other systems games of the same type and time period.

I agree that some of the PS1 games are intollerable now...

Seeing as how I'm an avid Nintendo 64 fan, I don't have this problem. Heck, I even fire up some 3D Super NES games now and then. Anyone up for a Stunt Race FX race?Mop_it_up

that barely counts... was a good game though...

It could just be that early 3d games from the nineties looked like ass to begin with.FiestaUnicorn

I have never and will never complain about visuals as gameplay is the only thing that matters to me.

[QUOTE="Apathetic_Prick"]

If Ninja Gaiden were on teh N64, it would at least look as good as Turok 2, one would hope :P

The only game that really made my eyes bleed was quake. I don't have a problem with blurry graphics, but I do havea problem with crappy colour palettes; that definitely makes a huge difference.

waflerevolution

LOL no way... I just beat Quake on the Saturn a few weeks ago so I'd be caught up story-wise to play Quake II... then 4... III had no story... was Areana and Revolution... played like crappy clones of Unreal... though QIII online was SICK!

Quake looks better on the consoles than the PC because it's 3D accelerated. Which means it also has a different colour palette. Also, IMO, Quake had sh1t gameplay. Play it on a PC; it'll run on a 486 DX4100, I do believe. You'll see what i mean when I talk about bad graphics.

Anyway, Quake 2 isn't a sequel to Quake. Just thought I'd let you know about that. iD pulled a Final Fantasy in regards to that one :P

[QUOTE="waflerevolution"][QUOTE="Apathetic_Prick"]

If Ninja Gaiden were on teh N64, it would at least look as good as Turok 2, one would hope :P

The only game that really made my eyes bleed was quake. I don't have a problem with blurry graphics, but I do havea problem with crappy colour palettes; that definitely makes a huge difference.

Apathetic_Prick

LOL no way... I just beat Quake on the Saturn a few weeks ago so I'd be caught up story-wise to play Quake II... then 4... III had no story... was Areana and Revolution... played like crappy clones of Unreal... though QIII online was SICK!

Quake looks better on the consoles than the PC because it's 3D accelerated. Which means it also has a different colour palette. Also, IMO, Quake had sh1t gameplay. Play it on a PC; it'll run on a 486 DX4100, I do believe. You'll see what i mean when I talk about bad graphics.

Anyway, Quake 2 isn't a sequel to Quake. Just thought I'd let you know about that. iD pulled a Final Fantasy in regards to that one :P

really? it seemed like it was... of course that's only because in the 4th one they explain the first and 2nd games in the opening cut scene...