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#1 F1BONKERS
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The CDG wing is due to come into Formula One in 2009 after the plans were redeveloped causing a delay in manufacturing them. Is it just me or do the wings look a little weird? I think it ruins the image of the F1 car, but hey it might just be a matter of getting used to it. What you think?
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#2 BlaZe_irl
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The CDG wing is due to come into Formula One in 2009 after the plans were redeveloped causing a delay in manufacturing them. Is it just me or do the wings look a little weird? I think it ruins the image of the F1 car, but hey it might just be a matter of getting used to it. What you think?F1BONKERS
i read somewhere that they were actually going to scrap it altogether, cuz the a few of the tech directors proved that the concept of the CDG wing wouldnt help overtaking. although i dont have a link so dont quote me on it :P
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#3 kipi19
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I hate it full stop, it looks ugly, and if you look at it properly, aerodynamics would be hampered in my opinion, it just wouldn't work
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#4 cm_gamer-2
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I hate it full stop, it looks ugly, and if you look at it properly, aerodynamics would be hampered in my opinion, it just wouldn't workkipi19

I agree, why dont they just get rid of all those small winglets which leaves the car with just a front and a rear wing.

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#5 F1BONKERS
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When you say little winglets, are you on about things like the tusks on the mclaren and bmw? I think they look kool... gives the car chracteristics.... The only reason they put all of these little wings on the cars is to experiment with them... It's probably how the CDG wing came about in the first place, but yeah i agree i cant see how its going to work.... Just keep the wings as they are!
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#6 KimisApprentice
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In one of the F1 Racing magazines earlier in the year a reader brought up that because they cut out the middle of the rear wing element taking away a big piece of advertising room. Many millions would be lost there. But I also didnt like the idea. The winglets on the cars are fundamental in keeping the car balanced in most cases the idea behind them is to keep the cars airflow clean and therefore produce more downforce and minimal drag helping the car corner faster and keep the car glued to the road banning them would just mean more crashes slower speeds and more **** footing, so less overtaking.
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#7 BlaZe_irl
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In one of the F1 Racing magazines earlier in the year a reader brought up that because they cut out the middle of the rear wing element taking away a big piece of advertising room. Many millions would be lost there. But I also didnt like the idea. The winglets on the cars are fundamental in keeping the car balanced in most cases the idea behind them is to keep the cars airflow clean and therefore produce more downforce and minimal drag helping the car corner faster and keep the car glued to the road banning them would just mean more crashes slower speeds and more **** footing, so less overtaking.KimisApprentice
lol is it possible to have less overtaking? im not sure what causes it but i know that drivers arent getting a big a slip stream as they were 4-5 years ago, and if u compare cars now to then, its obvious "modern" cars have more wings. Coincidence?
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#8 KimisApprentice
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No certainly not, the extra wings are designed for clean air not the "dirty air" that comes off the back of a car. Thus making a car quicker in single lap quali and in gaps in the order during Q3. Unfortunately these winglets only increase the effectiveness of the car they're on and leave a dirty/disturbed airflow coming off them for the car behind to hit. But its not just the winglets that are causing the dirty air, the rear diffusers on each car are designed completely different and expell high speed air out from them this air becomes hugely disturbed in an F1 cars wake thanks in part to the rear wing and other winglets. Also note, that most of the time the winglets job is to control and direct airflow to the rear wing on an F1 car so the rear wing becomes more effective. Lets get rid of rear wings and see how much overtaking there is!
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#9 kipi19
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Or how many crashes, without rear wings, there is no grip on a F1 car.
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#10 KimisApprentice
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Precisely
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#11 aloushi87
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Those stupid wings again, I don't think I've ever seen uglier car wings in my life!

If they want to increase overtaking, they should work on a way to balance the performance of all teams.




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#12 kipi19
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Point made
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#13 BlaZe_irl
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Fans hate them, some drivers have expressed their hate for them, Tech directors hate them, the only people who like them are people who where suits and carry brief cases :? Soooo does anyone who knows how a car actually works get a say anymore? :(
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#14 KimisApprentice
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Well on Formula1.com earlier this year I think they said they gave up on it. The only difference physically is the fact that half the wing is gone. Now where will the pit/extreme weather light go? now they need to re-design the rear crash structure, and possible re-design the rear suspension. Also note the end plates on the normal wing in Aloushi's picture, they're square which arent used anymore the end plates on F1 cars these days are like those in the CDG diagram.
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#15 BlaZe_irl
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well CDG wing or no CDG wing, F1 cars will look different in 08 no matter what....... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/54278 this is from over 2 months ago :? wonder how it went............
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#16 Gambit_Fun234
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The thing is that if it helps to pass other cars it is just great and I like it. But if it is just a silly way to reduce costs on a f1 then count me out!!!!
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No CDGs!! No CDGs!! They might say it increases overtaking as there is less 'dirty air' following the car, allowing competitors to follow closely. But it takes skill to overtake, not some weird looking wings.
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#18 BlaZe_irl
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No CDGs!! No CDGs!! They might say it increases overtaking as there is less 'dirty air' following the car, allowing competitors to follow closely. But it takes skill to overtake, not some weird looking wings.Napster06
sorta agree, except driver skill isnt enough to make the cars go faster in "dirty air". Plus the days of driver skill are over cuz of too many driving aids :(
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#19 KimisApprentice
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In a modern F1 car there simply isnt enough room for a manual foot clutch and a gearstick. I think TC should stay but should be set only to help to s certain extent, say 50% Do you include power steering as a driving aid? If so no F1 car will get around the hairpin at Monaco.
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#20 aloushi87
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In a modern F1 car there simply isnt enough room for a manual foot clutch and a gearstick. I think TC should stay but should be set only to help to s certain extent, say 50% Do you include power steering as a driving aid? If so no F1 car will get around the hairpin at Monaco.KimisApprentice
When I think of it, the old drivers are really the true legends, and not the current drivers ! (no offence intended to current drivers!) Then again, with much more speed now, drivers need "a few" driving aids, but notice only "a few" and not full traction control, high power steering, high braking assistance and the likes of that!
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#21 kipi19
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lessen the TC and Brakes for me, then lets see what happens, people with heavy feet will come unstuck XD