.:: LiarGate - April 29th ::. RESULT: McLaren handed suspended three-race ban

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The McLaren team are expected to face disciplinary charges after being found guilty of misleading race stewards following the Australian Grand Prix.

Lewis Hamilton and the team have already been stripped of their points from the race and the Englishman has issued an emotional public apology.

But BBC Sport has learned governing body the FIA is poised to order them to officially account for their actions.

A spokesman said the FIA was awaiting a report from its race observer.

It is understood that is expected imminently, and any further developments should become clear by Wednesday.

It is expected McLaren will be called before a meeting of the FIA World Council - but that this is unlikely to be scheduled before the Bahrain Grand Prix, the fourth race of the season, later this month.

The World Council is the body which disqualified McLaren from the constructors' championship and fined them $100m (£67m) for their role in a spy scandal involving Ferrari in 2007.

There is no limit to the action it could take in this instance if it deemed it serious enough.

Hamilton himself is expected to escape further censure.

The world champion has said he was ordered to give misleading evidence by sporting director Dave Ryan, who was with him at the hearings.

Ryan, who has worked for McLaren for 35 years, has been suspended by team principal Martin Whitmarsh.

The two were found guilty of "providing evidence deliberately misleading to the stewards".

BBC SPORT

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McLaren's season couldn't have started much worse could it?

I guess they will get a hefty fine, and they have already been disqualified from the race in question. Doesn't do the reputation of either Lewis or the team any good though

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I don't think we've heard all of it to be honest. James Allen has an interesting blog post about it that is worth reading. Being expelled from the 2009 championship would be a light penalty given that McLaren have already been warned to behave after the 2007 fiasco; but only if there is evidence that it was not just Ryan and Hamilton involved, and that it ran much deeper. I just hope that isn't the case, because despite being supportive of Hamilton so far after his apology, the FIA couldn't allow their drivers to race given the nature of what the team may have done. But then again, they are sometimes more lenient, like in 2007 when the McLaren drivers were allowed to race and score points, and in 2005 when BAR escaped disqualification from the whole season and got off with a 1 race disqualification plus a 2 race ban.

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Man it doesn't look good for Mclaren. Even though I'm usually rooting against them :P I hope that nothing "over the top" happens to them.
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I agree that I don't wish McLaren any further penalty. Hamilton dq'd and his 'crew chief' sacked. Nevermind the damage to their reputation. F1 doesn't need to lose such a large and supportive team from the sport.
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I agree that I don't wish McLaren any further penalty. Hamilton dq'd and his 'crew chief' sacked. Nevermind the damage to their reputation. F1 doesn't need to lose such a large and supportive team from the sport.mgmeek

Exactly! We're down to 20 teams, the only team that has been around longer than Mclaren is Ferrari. It would be a major loss to the sport and in the end it hurts everyone. 

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[QUOTE="mgmeek"]I agree that I don't wish McLaren any further penalty. Hamilton dq'd and his 'crew chief' sacked. Nevermind the damage to their reputation. F1 doesn't need to lose such a large and supportive team from the sport.SchumiF1

Exactly! We're down to 20 teams, the only team that has been around longer than Mclaren is Ferrari. It would be a major loss to the sport and in the end it hurts everyone. 

20 teams????:?
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[QUOTE="SchumiF1"]

[QUOTE="mgmeek"]I agree that I don't wish McLaren any further penalty. Hamilton dq'd and his 'crew chief' sacked. Nevermind the damage to their reputation. F1 doesn't need to lose such a large and supportive team from the sport.Bigcol1611

Exactly! We're down to 20 teams, the only team that has been around longer than Mclaren is Ferrari. It would be a major loss to the sport and in the end it hurts everyone.

20 teams????:?

Think he meant 10 :lol:

Besides, if Bernie's statement is true, we'll have 13 next year.

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Well 10 teams, 20 cars :P. I'm was pretty tired lastnight :lol:
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It's all going ahead then; McLaren to appear in Paris on 29th April Source: BBC Sport

EDIT: More news: Dave Ryan has 'parted company' with McLaren. Source: Autosport

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People are throwing about talks of multiple race bans - Who knows, but they've been in hot water for misleading the FIA before (2007) so... Who knows, it could be anything. Full season disqualification wouldn't be off the cars I'd imagine. Unlikely I'd like to believe, but possible...
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People are throwing about talks of multiple race bans - Who knows, but they've been in hot water for misleading the FIA before (2007) so... Who knows, it could be anything. Full season disqualification wouldn't be off the cars I'd imagine. Unlikely I'd like to believe, but possible...KimisApprentice

Yeah I'm thinking along the lines of what happened to BAR in 2005 like I mentioned earlier. It was a multiple race ban for a similar offence of 'not enough transparency', put basically they failed to explain the irregularities in their cars when they knew damn well what they were doing. The FIA did intend for them to be thrown out, but they got off lightly. But seeing as this 'lying' directly stripped an opponent of points and made them look bad, it may not be just a couple of races. I fear the worst, really I do.

And if it is found that Ryan was used as a scapegoat.. I doubt we'll see them until 2010.

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Whilst I understand people's ideas of punishments, it must be remembered that the FIA have already stated that they won't penalise Hamilton himself because he was put in an "impossible" position. If it's a severe penalty, it will affect the team but not the drivers.
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ECCLESTONE: McLAREN COULD FACE BAN

Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone thinks McLaren could face a ban from races after being summoned to appear before FIA's World Motor Sport Council for lying to stewards.

McLaren is to face the FIA's WMSC in the week after the Bahrain Grand Prix to answer charges that the team deliberately misled race stewards about Jarno Trulli overtaking Lewis Hamilton behind the safety car at the Australian Grand Prix, and forced Hamilton to lie too.

Although there are a range of sentences available to the FIA, which could be as little as an official reprimand, Ecclestone has not ruled out the possibility of McLaren being suspended.

Speaking to The Daily Express, Ecclestone said: "We need to investigate closer what went on. It is about stealing a point and a place but those are worth money so basically it is fraud, although I am sure it started off more innocently without thought of the consequences.

"There are many options open if the charge sticks and it would be a terrible thing if any team were banned from races. But it could happen.

"It is not so long ago that McLaren were in front of the Council and it is never good for anyone if you are back in court quickly for something similar."

SOURCE: Autosport

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HAMILTON/RYAN REFUSED TO CHANGE STORY

Lewis Hamilton and McLaren's former sporting director Dave Ryan refused to change their story about having deliberately let Jarno Trulli through at the Australian Grand Prix, despite being played radio conversations and media interviews that suggested the contrary in their second stewards' hearing at Sepang.

This week's AUTOSPORT reveals that Hamilton and Ryan maintained their stance in that second hearing that Trulli had taken it upon himself to overtake the McLaren in the closing stages of the Melbourne race, even though the stewards presented them with fresh evidence to say they were lying.

In the first detailed account of the stewards' hearings that have resulted in McLaren being called before the FIA's World Motor Sport Council, AUTOSPORT reports that Ryan and Hamilton stuck to their original story when recalled for the second hearing.

An FIA source told AUTOSPORT: "First of all, Lewis heard the radio exchange. It appeared that the strategy was to be extremely vague and not be very direct with the answers. Then the interview where he said, 'I was told to let him through' was played.

"At that point they both got very uncomfortable, but still denied that's what had actually happened.

"It was a bit surreal, this situation where you had the radio evidence and the interview, and they were putting a completely different interpretation on what the words actually meant. But the words were very, very clear."

FIA race director Charlie Whiting has also revealed that Hamilton denied more than once in the original hearing in Australia that he had let Trulli pass him.

Whiting said: "When asked very clearly, 'Did you consciously let him past, did you pull over to let him past', he [Hamilton] said, 'No'. The question was asked more than once. He was adamant that he hadn't slowed down and hadn't let Trulli past."

SOURCE: Autosport

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I'm grateful to one of my readers, doctorvee, for posting a very interesting comment here on the JA on F1 site. He highlights an interview which McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh gave to the BBC at the end of the Australian Grand Prix.

"...there's some debate about whether it's a 3rd place at the moment given that Trulli fell off and re-passed under the Safety Car...

[Ted Kravitz asks him to expand on this.]

...At the end, under the Safety Car, Trulli fell off onto the grass and Lewis had no choice but to go past him. He was not on the racing circuit. Trulli then re-took the place under the Safety Car, which ordinarily you wouldn't do.

I know that the FIA are looking at it at the moment and doubtless we'll have a ruling in due course."

doctorvee adds: "Martin Whitmarsh was not asked if there were any radio conversations. But he chose to omit this information regardless. The BBC's viewers were left with the impression that Jarno Trulli had passed Lewis Hamilton of his own accord, not having been invited to do so. This version of events is very similar to the one we are led to understand was relayed to the stewards.

This would seem to suggest that very soon after the end of the race, a version of events - the official McLaren party line, as it were - was constructed. This is the version of events that Martin Whitmarsh gave to Ted Kravitz and the BBC's viewers. "

His conclusion from all this is that the line presented by Davy Ryan in the stewards room was the team's party line, not the act of a 'rogue employee', as it is now being presented. The significance of this is that the FIA WMSC will seek to analyse the degree to which others in the team were involved.

Whitmarsh shows that he is eager to secure the third place. But the word 'ordinarily' is the one that catches my eye here, it shows that a degree of reflection is taking place, but also that there may be extenuating circumstances. It almost invites a sub clause in brackets, such as ...(unless invited to do so...)

What do you think?

Meanwhile the FIA has released some more information on the second stewards' hearing in Sepang, which appears to show Hamilton and Ryan sticking to their line that Trulli passed without invitation, despite being played recordings of both the original radio traffic and Hamilton's post race interview, where it is quite clear he had understood that the team was telling him to let Trulli through.

source: James Allen on f1

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You know, I completely forgot about that interview. :|
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i think that the article above highlights the two most damming pieces of evidence that prove Mclaren are guilty of knowing more than there letting on.

The first has been discussed in depth by James Allen and so i have nothing to add.

The second point is one i would like to add my own view on. This is the one about the second meeting with stewards prior to the Malaysian gp where Ryan and Hamilton reportedly stuck with there original story. the reason i believe this is pivotal is because although Mclaren could deny any knowledge of knowing what Ryan and Hamilton were going to say to the Stewards at Australia it will be difficult to prove that no one further up the tree knew what Ryan and Hamilton had said before the second stewards meeting given the media coverage and the fact that they must have been known why they stewards meeting was called or else they would have seemed a bit more surprised at what seems to me to be a highly irregular occurrence.

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FIA REQUESTS BBC TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE

The FIA has written to the BBC to ask for copies of interviews McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh conducted with the broadcaster in the immediate aftermath of the Australian Grand Prix.

As motor racing's governing body continues its investigation into the lying controversy surrounding the McLaren team, the BBC has been asked to supply comments made by Whitmarsh in Melbourne that could throw a fresh light on how much he knew about what happened behind the safety car in the closing stages of the race.

Although Whitmarsh claimed at the Malaysian Grand Prix that he knew nothing about Lewis Hamilton and McLaren's former sporting director Dave Ryan denying to stewards that there had been a radio order to let Jarno Trulli overtake, his comments in the aftermath of the race suggest he shared the line they told stewards that the Toyota driver had forced his way by.

In a live interview with BBC Radio 5 shortly after the Melbourne race, Whitmarsh said: "Under the last safety car, Trulli's Toyota fell off the circuit and was on the grass. Lewis passed him as he could legitimately do so, and thereafter Trulli repassed under the safety car and the early indications from the stewards were that they felt that was incorrect. They are doing the full investigation as we speak and we will shortly learn if it is a third or a fourth place."

In another interview that Whitmarsh is alleged to have conducted with BBC pitlane reporter Ted Kravitz, it is suggested he said: "Trulli then retook the place under the safety car, which ordinarily you wouldn't do. I know that the FIA are looking at it at the moment."

The FIA has been alerted to the presence of these interviews and wants the BBC to supply any evidence that it believes will be helpful to its investigation.

McLaren is to face a hearing of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council later this month to answer disrepute charges that it lied to stewards - and forced Hamilton to supply an 'untrue statement' to support its case.

SOURCE: Autosport

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TRULLI: FIA RIGHT TO PUNISH McLAREN

Jarno Trulli believes the FIA is right to have come down hard on McLaren over the team and Lewis Hamilton lying to race stewards at the Australian Grand Prix.

Although the Italian says he has no hard feelings against what McLaren did to try and cost him third place in the Australian Grand Prix, he fully supports the way the FIA has taken the matter so seriously.

Not only was Lewis Hamilton disqualified from the Melbourne race, but his McLaren team has been summoned to a hearing of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council to answer disrepute charges about its behaviour.

In an exclusive interview with AUTOSPORT, Trulli said: "My feeling is that the FIA took such a strong decision because they felt that someone was taking a joke of them at the end of the day, and they want to show to everyone that the FIA is just like a judge.

"Go in front of the judge and you have to be honest and tell the truth. You might get away with it once, but it's better not to do it. You take a lot of risk. This is what happened, basically.

"I think it was a very, very unfortunate circumstance for both of us. I personally don't know who had lied and why he had lied. In my opinion, there was no interest there to lie. Really, no interest. But someone has really misjudged the rules.

"Personally I'm not here to blame anyone. The problem is on that particular occasion I looked stupid and I haven't done anything wrong. I'm not the kind of person who thinks about revenge or anything, I get on with everyone. I use a sentence like live and let everybody live."

Trulli also welcomed the attitude of the FIA race stewards, who came to speak to him personally immediately after they had made their decision to reinstate his third place finish in Melbourne.

"It was great that once they announced the decision of giving the position back, afterwards I was doing some interviews with some journalists, and two of the stewards walked straight up the paddock to find me and shake my hand to say you deserve it, because you have been honest - in front of all the press. This was really appreciated by me.

"That's why I say in that particular case I believe that the FIA has shown good common sense and a lot of strength, re-opening a case that was basically closed. They felt and they smelled that something was wrong, they were good enough to do it. This pays a lot of credit to the FIA, after so much trouble in the first race with so many problems."

SOURCE: Autosport

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WHITMARSH: I OFFERED TO RESIGN

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh has revealed he offered his resignation following the controversy at the Australian Grand Prix.

Whitmarsh, who took over the team boss role from Ron Dennis ahead of the start of the season, admitted he has faced a challenging period after the FIA revealed McLaren's sporting director and world champion Lewis Hamilton had lied to the stewards following the British driver's incident with Jarno Trulli in the Melbourne race.

Whitmarsh said on Thursday he had offered McLaren's shareholders his resignation, but it was turned down.

"At the moment, as has been pointed out, this team has gone through some interesting and challenging times. I did offer my resignation after the weekend, that was graciously declined," Whitmarsh told a news conference in China.

"I offered it to the shareholders, and that was declined. The reality is that in the future it will be the new chairman's decision, which is normal in any business.

"So if the view is that I am doing a reasonable job then hopefully I will keep it, and if I am not I won't. And that's how it should be."

McLaren has been summoned to appear before the World Motor Sports Council later this month, as the FIA continues with its investigation of the affair.

The governing has asked the BBC for copies of interviews Whitmarsh conducted with the broadcaster right after the Australian Grand Prix.

Whitmarsh said he was comfortable with the comments made then.

"I looked, because it was drawn to my attention over the last few days I didn't see anything extraordinary in those comments, but as I've said earlier we've got a World Motor Sport Council hearing ahead of us and that's the time when we will discuss all those issues," he added.

SOURCE: Autosport

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WHITMARSH: LEWIS DEDICATED TO THE TEAM

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh has insisted that Lewis Hamilton's relationship with the team has not been damaged by recent controversies.

Ron Dennis stepped down from his remaining roles with the Formula 1 team today, amid newspaper reports that his relationship with the Hamilton family had broken down over the Melbourne stewards' hearing affair.

Whitmarsh denied that this was the case.

"I haven't asked Lewis what his relationship is with Ron, but I don't think it's quite as you're characterising it," he said.

"I told Lewis half an hour ago what was happening. I think he naturally has a certain amount of affection for Ron. We all do. I didn't detect any different human reactions other than what I would have expected from someone who has known Ron as long as Lewis has known Ron."

In his press conference at McLaren's headquarters today, Dennis described Hamilton as being 'like family' to him.

"I am very fond of Lewis," he said. "Like all families there are times when things are not perfect and we have to support each other."

Whitmarsh is confident that the team still has Hamilton's full support.

"I think he has certainly expressed his support for this team consistently, and he has very kindly expressed his support for me," he said.

"I think and I hope that I have a good relationship with Lewis and I think he is committed just as we are to restoring the good fortunes and competitiveness of this team in the future."

SOURCE: Autosport

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Hmmm, its all a bit much IMO, Lewis and McLaren have had their punishment, Its now a case of the everyone just wanting to throw the 50000 tonne book at them =/
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McLAREN SENDS WRITTEN APOLOGY TO FIA

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh has written to the FIA to apologise for his team's behaviour in the lying scandal.

Ahead of next week's FIA World Motor Sport Council hearing where McLaren will have to answer disrepute charges that it lied to stewards, and procured driver Lewis Hamilton to do so too, Whitmarsh is understood to have offered an 'unreserved apology' for what happened.

Whitmarsh is quoted as saying by news agency Reuters: "We are cooperating with the FIA, I have written to (President) Max (Mosley) but obviously before the 29th I can't say anything about it.

"It's a letter to them. Certainly, there's been no leak about it from us and I can't comment on it."

McLaren has been pushing hard to ensure it has done all it can prior to the WMSC hearing to show it has responded to the events of the Australian and Malaysian Grands Prix.

As well as dismissing sporting director Dave Ryan, who misled the stewards, the team and Hamilton have apologised in public for the events that took place. Whitmarsh also offered his resignation to McLaren's shareholders after the Malaysian GP, but this was rejected.

Furthermore, former McLaren boss Ron Dennis has stepped away completely from the F1 team - in a move that has been motivated to show how the team is embracing a new culture.

Whitmarsh said at the Chinese Grand Prix that it was important his team started a new era of cooperation with the FIA - with Dennis and Mosley having not enjoyed the best of relationships in the past.

"Well, I think anyone who has looked at the relationship between McLaren and the FIA over the last few years would have to conclude that it would be healthier for all of us to have a more positive, constructive relationship than perhaps we have had in the past," he said.

SOURCE: Autosport

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WHITMARSH REALISTIC ON PARTNERS' FUTURE

McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh says his team is taking a realistic approach about what may happen to its sponsors and engine partner in the event of being given a draconian penalty by the FIA next week.

The Woking-based outfit is to answer disrepute charges at a hearing of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council relating to former sporting director Dave Ryan and driver Lewis Hamilton deliberately misleading stewards at the Australian and Malaysian Grand Prix.

There has been speculation that if the team is given a severe punishment, which could include championship exclusion or race bans, then it could lose its sponsors and split with engine partner Mercedes-Benz.

Such a scenario has been hinted at by Dieter Zetsche, the chairman of Mercedes-Benz parent company Daimler AG, in an interview that will appear in German news magazine Focus on Monday.

"If circumstances should change, perhaps because of an unreasonable punishment by the FIA, it is possible that we could consider our engagement,"' said Zetsche.

Whitmarsh concedes that his team cannot take anything for granted, especially in the current worldwide economic situation.

"There have been some comments that I might be asked about from Dr Zetsche in Daimler and my reaction to this is you would expect in these times any of our sponsors to be prudent about what they are doing," said Whitmarsh.

"No one could commit to being with us for many, many years at the moment beyond their existing contract, and we're realistic in that regard. But clearly we've got to do a better job in all sorts of departments. One of those departments, which is very clear to me, is that we do a better job on the track."

Whitmarsh has written to the FIA to apologise for his team's behaviour in the lying scandal, and is refusing to predict what may happen on Wednesday.

"We are co-operating with the FIA and it's for the WMSC to decide what action or necessary steps should be taken," he said. "It appears to be known that I have written to the FIA, but I can't disclose the contents of that letter. In due course the WMSC will decide what they want to say on that."

When asked if he felt his job as team principal will become easier once Wednesday's events are out of the way, Whitmarsh said: "Let's get Wednesday out of the way first, then we'll worry about that. Being a team principal is always challenging. There are high expectations - and if people don't want that they shouldn't be doing it."

SOURCE: Autosport

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I just couldn't imagine Merc splitting with McLaren. So many implications.
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I wonder if McLaren have done enough to appease the wrath of the FIA World Council. Clearly a lot of people are taking the potential punishments VERY seriously.

Dave Ryan resigned
Lewis Hamilton issued public apology
Martin Whitmarsh "unreserved apology" letter to FIA
Ron Dennis steps away from F1 - can't be unrelated to this

Losing all points to date would be one punishment, but given their lack of pace, and not really competing at the front this season it isn't exactly much of a loss. Similarly being banned from a few races this season may not be much of a punishment given their lack of pace

I think a lot of the damage to McLaren is going to come from their loss of reputation. Particularly when money is tight, sponsors aren't going to be so keen to be associated with the amount of bad press that McLaren is generating.

I guess we have to wait until Wednesday to find out what will happen to them :?

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Apologies are like the fat kid that eats all the paste before the class project and decides the best way to appease the teacher and students is to produce some bowel paste as a replacement.
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Apologies are like the fat kid that eats all the paste before the class project and decides the best way to appease the teacher and students is to produce some bowel paste as a replacement.XSamFisherX

:lol:

We'll see how big of a book Mclaren gets thrown at them on the 29. At the very least like Avenger said, they are gonna take another hit to their reputation especially since Spygate was not even 2 years ago.

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McLAREN HANDED THREE-RACE SUSPENDED BAN

McLaren has been given a suspended three-race ban for bringing the sport into disrepute after lying to stewards at the Australian and Malaysian Grands Prix.

Following a hearing of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Wednesday, the governing body announced that since McLaren had admitted to the offences and made clear that there had been a change of 'culture' at the team, it has suspended the sentence that it deemed appropriate.

A statement issued by the FIA said: "Having regard to the open and honest way in which McLaren Team Principal, Mr Martin Whitmarsh, addressed the WMSC and the change in culture which he made clear has taken place in his organisation, the WMSC decided to suspend the application of the penalty it deems appropriate.

"That penalty is a suspension of the team from three races of the FIA Formula One World Championship. This will only be applied if further facts emerge regarding the case or if, in the next 12 months, there is a further breach by the team of article 151c of the International Sporting Code."

McLaren had been called before the WMSC to answer charges relating to former sporting director Dave Ryan and Lewis Hamilton lying to stewards about whether an order had been given to let Jarno Trulli overtake the world champion at the Australian Grand Prix.

The team was only found to have lied when radio transmissions, and copies of interviews Hamilton had given to the press immediately after the hearing came to light.

In the wake of the events, McLaren sacked Ryan and team principal Whitmarsh wrote a letter of apology to the governing body. Furthermore, former team boss Ron Dennis announced that he was stepping away totally from the F1 team in a move not unconnected to the matter - despite claims from Dennis otherwise.

Whitmarsh chose to appear at the FIA hearing in Paris alone, staying for less than an hour to apologise for all that had happened.

Speaking to reporters on the steps of the FIA building, Whitmarsh said: "We've made mistakes, we've apologised to the FIA and the public. We await the decision."

When asked if he hoped today's events would mark the end of the affair, he said: "I very much hope so."

SOURCE: Autosport

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Suspended sentence seems like getting off without a penalty.

Ron Dennis' departure from the sport is looking more like the cost the team had to pay this time round.

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Hey...... If Mclaren got 3 races...... Why didn't schumi get 3 races when he stalled in monaco 3 years ago?????
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#33 Redders1989
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Hey...... If Mclaren got 3 races...... Why didn't schumi get 3 races when he stalled in monaco 3 years ago?????The_Gabman

They're only getting the three-race ban if more evidence is revealed/they do something else, so in effect, if they've told the complete truth now and don't do anything else, they got away scot-free here.

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[QUOTE="The_Gabman"]Hey...... If Mclaren got 3 races...... Why didn't schumi get 3 races when he stalled in monaco 3 years ago?????Redders1989

They're only getting the three-race ban if more evidence is revealed/they do something else, so in effect, if they've told the complete truth now and don't do anything else, they got away scot-free here.

Well, I wouldn't really say scot-free. They have lost 2 of the most talented and dedicated team members.

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So they are on probation? Just check in for the next year and everything is cool Macca baby?
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So they are on probation? Just check in for the next year and everything is cool Macca baby?XSamFisherX

I'd say this was a fair decision. Weren't they still on probation from Spygate? So are they now on double secret probation? :lol:

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The FIA's decision on McLaren in full

Re: Article 151(c) and 152 International Sporting Code - Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
29 April 2009 The World Motor Sport Council ("WMSC") met on 29th April 2009 to consider a charge that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes ("McLaren"), a competitor in the FIA Formula One World Championship, had breached Article 151(c) of the International Sporting Code ("ISC"), which prohibits "any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally".

1 Background

1.1 During the closing laps of the 2009 Australian Grand Prix, an incident occurred which required that the safety car be deployed. At the time of deployment, driver No. 1 Lewis Hamilton (for McLaren) was placed fourth and driver No. 9 Jarno Trulli (for Panasonic Toyota Racing ("Toyota")) was placed third.

1.2 While running behind the safety car, Trulli left the track and Hamilton passed to take third place. Hamilton subsequently moved off the racing line to the right of the track and Trulli repassed, taking back third place.

1.3 Article 40.7 of the 2009 Formula One Sporting Regulations sets out the rules governing overtaking while running behind the safety car. Article 40.7 reads, in relevant part, as follows: "All competing cars must [...] reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart and overtaking, with the following exceptions, is forbidden until the cars reach the Line after the safety car has returned to the pits. Overtaking will be permitted under the following circumstances: […] - .

1.4 In light of Article 40.7 and the fact that Hamilton and Trulli had passed each other while running behind the safety car, the matter was referred to the Stewards of the Meeting ("Stewards") by the FIA Race Director. As part of their investigation of the incident, the Stewards summoned Trulli and Hamilton and their respective team managers to a hearing on 29th March 2009 at which the FIA Race Director was also present ("29th March Hearing").

1.5 At the 29th March Hearing, the Stewards and the Race Director asked questions regarding Trulli's passing of Hamilton. Trulli stated that Hamilton had moved off the racing line to the right of the track and had begun to travel very slowly. As a result, Trulli pulled up alongside Hamilton to see whether Hamilton would wave him through. There being no response, Trulli proceeded to pass Hamilton.

1.6 Hamilton was asked by the Stewards why he had moved off his line and whether there was a problem with his car. He informed the Stewards that there were no problems with his car and that he had drifted right because he was checking his lap time and was concerned that his tyres were cold. Hamilton was then asked whether he had consciously let Trulli pass. He said "no". He was asked if he had been told to let Trulli through, at which point his Team Manager, Dave Ryan, interjected and answered "no". There were further exchanges, with the Stewards posing similar questions but Hamilton and his Team Manager were clear in their insistence that Hamilton had not slowed down and had not let Trulli through.

1.7 The Stewards considered the evidence, including the McLaren representatives' statements, and issued a decision, penalising Trulli for overtaking while behind the safety car in breach of Article 40.7 and imposing a drive-through penalty. Since the race was already finished, the drive-through penalty was converted into a penalty of 25 seconds to be added to Trulli's elapsed race time. As a result of the penalty, Trulli was demoted from third place to twelfth place and Hamilton was moved from fourth place to third place.

1.8 From the release of the aforementioned decision until the reconvening of the Stewards in Malaysia on 2nd April 2009, no McLaren representative contacted the FIA, its Race Director or the Stewards in relation to that decision. During this time, the official result of the Australian Grand Prix was understood to be that Hamilton had been placed third and that Trulli had been placed twelfth.

1.9 Late on Sunday evening, after the official result had been published, it came to the attention of the Chairman of the Stewards and the FIA Race Director that there existed a press interview given by Hamilton in which he stated that he had been told by McLaren to let Trulli pass. Based on this information, a recording of the pit-to-car radio exchanges between Hamilton and McLaren was retrieved and examined by the Stewards and the FIA Race Director. Having been informed by Hamilton that Trulli had left the track and that Hamilton had passed to take third position, the team instructed Hamilton as follows:
"Lewis, you need to allow the Toyota through. Allow the Toyota through now."

1.10 Hamilton responded: "OK."

1.11 Having listened to the press interview and the pit-to-car radio exchanges, the Stewards reconvened on Thursday 2nd April 2009 in Malaysia ("2nd April Hearing") where Hamilton and Trulli and their respective team managers were interviewed again. Trulli confirmed his statement from the 29th March Hearing (see section 1.5).

1.12 Hamilton and his Team Manager were played recordings of the press interview and the pit-to-car radio exchanges evidencing that Hamilton had been instructed to let Trulli pass and had done so. Notwithstanding the clear content of the recordings, Hamilton and his Team Manager reconfirmed their statements that Hamilton had not consciously let Trulli pass and that McLaren had not instructed Hamilton to let Trulli pass. The Race Director and the Stewards then gave Hamilton and his Team Manager a further opportunity to correct the statements they had made at the 29th March Hearing. They declined to do so.

1.13 The Stewards found McLaren's explanations inadequate and concluded that – at the 29th March Hearing – there had been a deliberate and successful attempt to mislead the Stewards. This had led to Hamilton being moved incorrectly from fourth to third and to Trulli being unfairly penalised.

1.14 The Stewards therefore issued new decisions – Decisions Nos. 76 and 77 – respectively excluding Hamilton and McLaren from the race ****fication for the Australian Grand Prix and reinstating Trulli and Toyota in third place.

1.15 In comments to the press immediately after the release of Decisions Nos. 76 and 77, the McLaren Team Principal stated that McLaren stood by the representations made to the Stewards by Hamilton and his Team Manager.

1.16 Hamilton held a press conference on 3rd April 2009 at the Malaysia Grand Prix. In that press conference, Hamilton reversed the position he had taken at the 29th March Hearing and the 2nd April Hearing, apologised to the Stewards, the FIA and the public for having provided misleading information to the Stewards on both occasions, but pointed out that, during both hearings, he had been acting under instructions from his team. Subsequently, the McLaren Team Principal also apologised and announced the suspension of the McLaren Team Manager.

1.17 The FIA Observer presented to the FIA President on 7th April 2009 a report titled: "Report of the Hamilton/Trulli incident during the 2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix and subsequent issues" ("FIA Observer's Report"), outlining the above facts.

1.18 In response, the FIA decided to summon McLaren before the WMSC to answer charges that, in breach of Article 151(c) ISC, it:

(a) on 29th March 2009, told the Stewards of the Australian Grand Prix that no instructions were given to Hamilton to allow Trulli to pass when both cars were behind the safety car, knowing this statement to be untrue;

(b) procured its driver Hamilton, the current World Champion, to support and confirm this untrue statement to the Stewards;

(c) although knowing that as a direct result of its untrue statement to the Stewards, another driver and a rival team had been unfairly penalised, made no attempt to rectify the situation either by contacting the FIA or otherwise;

(d) on 2nd April 2009, before the Stewards of the Australian Grand Prix (meeting in Malaysia), made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29th March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain that the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli pass and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement; and

(e) on 2nd April 2009, before the Stewards, procured its driver Hamilton to continue to assert the truth of the false statement given to the Stewards on 29th March, while knowing that what he was saying to the Stewards was not true.
1.19 In its written response to these charges, McLaren accepted that, both at and between the 29th March Hearing and the 2nd April Hearing, McLaren had acted in breach of Article 151(c) ISC. McLaren's Team Principal expressed McLaren's, and his personal, unreserved apology to the WMSC, the Stewards, the FIA and Formula One competitors and fans. In addition, in a separate letter to WMSC members, the McLaren Team Principal admitted that McLaren's conduct regarding these matters was "wholly unacceptable" and expressed his sincere apologies.

1.20 At the WMSC meeting on 29th April 2009, the McLaren Team Principal again admitted that McLaren had been in breach of Article 151(c) ISC and offered representations for the purposes of mitigation (see section 2.7).

2 WMSC's Assessment

2.1 The WMSC has carefully considered the FIA Observer's Report, McLaren's written submissions of 14th April 2009 and its representations in mitigation at the WMSC meeting on 29th April 2009. The material facts of the case, being the deliberate and successful attempt to mislead the Stewards at the 29th March Hearing and the failure, when confronted with incontrovertible evidence at the 2nd April Hearing, to correct the position adopted, are not in dispute. In addition, McLaren has admitted that its conduct amounted to a breach of Article 151(c) ISC.

2.2 Under Article 152 ISC, seventh paragraph, the WMSC: "may, upon the proposal and report of the FIA observer […] directly inflict a penalty which will take the place of any penalty which the stewards of the meeting may have pronounced".

2.3 The WMSC considers that McLaren's course of conduct as set out in section 1 of this Decision amounted to a serious breach of Article 151(c). By making deliberately misleading representations to the Stewards, and then failing to correct those misleading representations, McLaren gained illegitimate advantage and caused the unfair imposition of a penalty upon a fellow competitor. The WMSC wishes to emphasise that it finds this latter element particularly reprehensible.

2.4 In addition, by its course of conduct, McLaren has brought the sport into disrepute. The WMSC considers – and McLaren has accepted – that sole responsibility cannot lie with the Team Manager who misled the Stewards and who procured Hamilton to do likewise. Rather, the course of conduct occurred over such a period of time that the WMSC finds that McLaren's management either were aware or should have been aware that the Stewards had been misled.

2.5 In light of the foregoing, the WMSC considers that pursuant to Article 151(c) and 152 ISC, seventh paragraph, the Stewards' Decision No. 76, which excluded Hamilton and McLaren from the race ****fication for the 2009 Australian Grand Prix, should be replaced with this Decision, which imposes a more severe penalty.

2.6 In short, the WMSC considers that the penalty must be of a magnitude that reflects accurately the severity of the offence and effectively deters McLaren – and other competitors in the FIA Formula One World Championship – from deliberately misleading the Stewards in the future. However, the penalty imposed must also take into account other relevant factors.

2.7 In determining the sanction to be imposed on McLaren, the WMSC considered a number of factors presented by McLaren in mitigation. These factors (together, "Mitigating Factors") included the following:

(a) that the McLaren Team Principal admitted all material facts, including the making of deliberately misleading statements to the Stewards and the subsequent failure to correct such misleading representations;

(b) that the McLaren Team Principal accepted in written submissions that McLaren's course of conduct in the matter had been unacceptable and offered an unreserved apology both personally, and on behalf of McLaren, to all affected parties;

(c) that the McLaren Team Principal has assured members of the WMSC that there has been a change in culture within McLaren and that the course of conduct – or similar – will not be repeated;

(d) that, on realising his mistakes, Hamilton held a press conference at which he apologised for his actions; and

(e) that McLaren promptly suspended, and subsequently terminated the employment of, its Team Manager, who misled the Stewards and who procured that Hamilton did likewise.

2.8 However, in addition to considering the existence of Mitigating Factors, the WMSC also considered whether there were aggravating factors suggesting that the level of any penalty should be increased. In this instance, the WMSC recalls that McLaren has recently breached Article 151(c) of the International Sporting Code (see Decision of the WMSC 13 September 2007).

2.9 Recidivism is a strong indicator that the sanction previously imposed was not sufficiently deterrent and recidivism is thus a circumstance which may justify an increase in the severity of the penalty which might otherwise be imposed. The purpose of taking recidivism into account in setting a penalty is to induce teams which have demonstrated a tendency towards infringing the rules in the past to change their conduct in the future. The WMSC therefore also takes into account, as an aggravating factor, McLaren's 2007 breach of Article 151(c) ISC.

3 Decision

3.1 The WMSC finds Vodafone McLaren Mercedes in breach of Article 151(c) ISC in relation to each of the five counts identified in the FIA's summons to Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, reproduced at 1.18 (a) to (e) above.

3.2 Pursuant to Article 151(c) ISC and 152 ISC, seventh paragraph, the WMSC therefore replaces the sanction imposed by Decision No. 76 of the Stewards with the following:

(a) the exclusion of the driver Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes from the race ****fication for the 2009 Australian Grand Prix; and

(b) the suspension of the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes from three rounds of the FIA Formula One World Championship.

Exceptionally, and in light in part of the Mitigating Factors (including the open and honest way in which the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Team Principal addressed the WMSC and the change in culture which he made clear had taken place), penalty (b) shall be suspended for twelve months from the date of this Decision. In the event that, during the period of suspension of penalty (b), either: (i) further facts emerge that are relevant to the WMSC's assessment of the gravity of Vodafone McLaren Mercedes' breach; or (ii) Vodafone McLaren Mercedes commits a further breach of Article 151(c), the WMSC may implement penalty (b) in relation to the breach set out in this Decision.

3.3 Vodafone McLaren Mercedes is reminded of its right of appeal. In the event that an appeal is lodged with the FIA International Court of Appeal, the effect of this Decision will not be suspended pending the outcome of that appeal.

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