"Ferrari are cheats"

That depends if any Ferrari tech is on the McMercs or wether knowledge of the Ferrari car influences design changes.

For example: Ferrari may favour a foward weight bias. Macca learns of this creates lighter gearbox to move ballast foward.... Who knows.

I remember the extreme hate for ferrari that used to be on this forum...schumi and ferrari were considered "cheats" by everyone basically, so what have you guys got to say now after this verdict? also what will your response be when Mclaren win the WDC? will it be fair?kalais91

Dude..... I can understand what you mean..... But let me recall some well know facts:

1. 1994: Schumi takes out Hill. Wins the WDC. Hill, being a good sport, doesnt call an appeal.

1995: Benetton's car was largely considered illegal by many. But to this day, no examitions of the car were ever made!

1997: Schumi takes out Villeneuve. Loses all his point, but doesnt get any cash penalty.

1998: This is an incident that didnt get much coverage but still, it's cheating. Schumi gets a penalty, and comes in at the very last lap, crossing thw finish line without completing the penalty. Thus, he should have been disqualified. But, no, he's not! He wins de race! Hakkinen had his hand in the air, thinking he had won that time.....

2000 to 2005: Uhm.... To many times to count... In all that story... Poor Barichello.... Poor SPORT IMAGE....

And finally, in 2006, he deliberately stalled his car so that lonso wouldnt get the pole...... Isnt that enough for you???

2. He didnt pay 100 million dollars for what he did! Look, if you tell me, what event totally made F1 a bummer for you, I would tell you: Xchumi cheating throughout his career! He was a great man... A great driver.... But, I will never remember him for that! If he would BE JUDGED THE SAME WAY MCLAREN WERE, he would owe 10000000 million to F1.... Were I live, everybody tells me that: Schumi's a cheat! He destroyed the sport's image... And still, he aint getting any penalty for it.....

3. It's not even worth talking about anymore...... Why does ferrari always get the advantage?? Why didnt they get there asses kicked more than they did???

And if you tell me: No, mclaren destroyed the sport's image, well, think what you want. But the fact still remains.... Mclaren cheated once.... 100 million! What about Ferarri and Schumi? I dont have enough fingers to count it... And still, to this day, Mclarenis considered a cheating team......:S:S:S:S:S

3. It's not even worth talking about anymore...... Why does ferrari always get the advantage?? Why didnt they get there asses kicked more than they did???The_Gabmaster

Here's two (of many) reasons as to why they have an advantage most of the time:

1. Over 50% of Ferrari Employees are part of the FIA (or 50% of the FIA is made up of Ferrari employees, I forget which one is right).

2. Every other team has to pay Ferrari for "their contribution to the sport (as they are the only team to have competed in every F1 season)". Paul Stoddart revealed this in late 2004/late 2005, not sure which.

So yeah, there's two reasons why at least.

Dude..... I can understand what you mean..... But let me recall some well know facts:

1. 1994: Schumi takes out Hill. Wins the WDC. Hill, being a good sport, doesnt call an appeal.

1995: Benetton's car was largely considered illegal by many. But to this day, no examitions of the car were ever made!

1997: Schumi takes out Villeneuve. Loses all his point, but doesnt get any cash penalty.

1998: This is an incident that didnt get much coverage but still, it's cheating. Schumi gets a penalty, and comes in at the very last lap, crossing thw finish line without completing the penalty. Thus, he should have been disqualified. But, no, he's not! He wins de race! Hakkinen had his hand in the air, thinking he had won that time.....

2000 to 2005: Uhm.... To many times to count... In all that story... Poor Barichello.... Poor SPORT IMAGE....

And finally, in 2006, he deliberately stalled his car so that lonso wouldnt get the pole...... Isnt that enough for you???

2. He didnt pay 100 million dollars for what he did! Look, if you tell me, what event totally made F1 a bummer for you, I would tell you: Xchumi cheating throughout his career! He was a great man... A great driver.... But, I will never remember him for that! If he would BE JUDGED THE SAME WAY MCLAREN WERE, he would owe 10000000 million to F1.... Were I live, everybody tells me that: Schumi's a cheat! He destroyed the sport's image... And still, he aint getting any penalty for it.....

3. It's not even worth talking about anymore...... Why does ferrari always get the advantage?? Why didnt they get there asses kicked more than they did???

And if you tell me: No, mclaren destroyed the sport's image, well, think what you want. But the fact still remains.... Mclaren cheated once.... 100 million! What about Ferarri and Schumi? I dont have enough fingers to count it... And still, to this day, Mclarenis considered a cheating team......:S:S:S:S:S

The_Gabmaster

wow um...where should i start with that....

1. 1994: Schumi takes out Hill - ok you can have that one, seeing as its 13 years and your still going on about it

1995 illegal benneton? - the IRONY in that comment....should mclaren win the wdc this year, it will be considered to have done so in an illegal car....'by many'

1997 Villinueve thing: big deal - schumi lost his points, again ironic how many people go on about how villinueve is an undeserving champion, but still insist on throwing this out EVERY time they have a go at schumi (no cash penalty ...so?)

1998 - BEST WDC battle ive ever experienced - Mika won anyway but FYI.....rules stated a penalty must be served within 3 laps, he came in on the 3rd (and final lap) FIA's fault for leaving that loophole... again, your just looking at anything to use against him

2000-2005 "to many to count"....i counted: austria 2002...leaving us a grand total of: 1

2006: alonso, hungary - deliberately slowed, causing schumacher to pass under reds...AND chopped across doornbos in previous practice....not to mention publicly insulting his team after china that year....

2. WHY are you so obsessed with 100 million?!?!? HE got PENALTIES for his actions... sooo every1 you know thinks he is a cheat? well if you went out in the street in any other country, asked a random person who michael schumacher was, odds are they would know, BECAUSE of the major success and IMPACT he has had in the sport.

3. Mclaren cheated once?...their chief designer, CEO, other aero staff AND the drivers, all KNEW and had access to 780 pages of ferrari documents....if their chief designer had them in his HOME, then of course they were used...we just cant prove it

This year has been ruined by spygate thanks to mclaren. The title WILL be tainted whether you like it or not....

One last thing on your comment: "Schumi destroyed the sports image" how about this....

ALONSO has been whining about every1 being against him at mclaren since hamilton beat his rageddy @ss in a fair fight....THEN he supposedly blackmails his boss into giving him no.1 status, or he goes to the fia with new info....mclaren nearly got kicked out of f1 for 2 years (until 09) for alonso's stupid actions....

Sounds pretty damaging to me...

[QUOTE="The_Gabmaster"]

3. It's not even worth talking about anymore...... Why does ferrari always get the advantage?? Why didnt they get there asses kicked more than they did???Redders1989

Here's two (of many) reasons as to why they have an advantage most of the time:

1. Over 50% of Ferrari Employees are part of the FIA (or 50% of the FIA is made up of Ferrari employees, I forget which one is right).

2. Every other team has to pay Ferrari for "their contribution to the sport (as they are the only team to have competed in every F1 season)". Paul Stoddart revealed this in late 2004/late 2005, not sure which.

So yeah, there's two reasons why at least.

Thanks For answering! I didnt know that......

Well I've never really called Ferrari cheats, and McLaren certainly haven't cheated. You can't exactly gain much advantage from a team which is on equal grounds to your own. If they did, they'd be beating Ferarri in every Grand Prix. It's as bad as using your team mate's setup data, copying another team's aero design, or listening in to other team's radio traffic. Cheating in F1 in my view is using illegal equipment or parts (Benetton in '95), sabotage, and unsportsmanlike behavior on track (Schumacher on countless occasions).cjek

I totally agree with your point of view! And.... You prove a point by saying that, even with all that, that the chase was still interesting!

Gab, you totally agree with cjek in that Ferrari aren't really cheats, yet you just had the MEAN spiel just back there saying they were! You can't make the cake AND eat it.

Schumi I agree was a cheat. Ferrari less so. They DID do some unsporting things and got slammed big time for Austria 2002. McLaren the team I wouldn't say are cheaters. Some employees got their hands on Ferrari tech info, its totally possible it was used. BUT depending on what it was it could be hard to prove. McLarens car aerodynamically is really quite different. Im thinking the info was more subtle stuff. Weight distrubutions, Suspension set ups perhaps, one thats being said quite loudly is gas used for filling tyres (Could be why McLaren are doing so well on the Bridgestones?) Who knows.

Gab, you totally agree with cjek in that Ferrari aren't really cheats, yet you just had the MEAN spiel just back there saying they were! You can't make the cake AND eat it.

Schumi I agree was a cheat. Ferrari less so. They DID do some unsporting things and got slammed big time for Austria 2002. McLaren the team I wouldn't say are cheaters. Some employees got their hands on Ferrari tech info, its totally possible it was used. BUT depending on what it was it could be hard to prove. McLarens car aerodynamically is really quite different. Im thinking the info was more subtle stuff. Weight distrubutions, Suspension set ups perhaps, one thats being said quite loudly is gas used for filling tyres (Could be why McLaren are doing so well on the Bridgestones?) Who knows.

KimisApprentice

Well... Its more as if... Schumi was the cheat... And, like redders said it, ferrari arent cheats, but they have an advantage with the FIA!

Well... Its more as if... Schumi was the cheat... And, like redders said it, ferrari arent cheats, but they have an advantage with the FIA!

The_Gabmaster

lol "advantage of the FIA" :roll: I like how you defend Mclaren by repeatedly slating MS and Ferrari....

Mclaren got off lightly. They should have been completely excluded and given a bigger fine. 100 mil is a joke considering the damage and controversy they caused this year....

I really hope kimi wins the WDC! how embarrasing would it be for Mclaren to cheat and still win NOTHING! :lol:

As for the "50%of the fia are ferrari employess.." well any1 can pull numbers outta their @ss, until I see a link with proof of that then it is considered BS

Whichever one from that first statement is correct, it is fact, unfortunately I heard it from James Allen on ITV quite a long time ago(says it all really if it's from james Allen eh? :lol: )

But yeah, I'll try looking for a link anyways for ya... whether it be now, on holiday, or after I'm not sure yet though lol