The official BATracer discssuion thread

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#1 aloushi87
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After the messed up season 8 signing up process, I've decided to discuss once and for all the F1PU BATracer games here.

As you can see, one BATracer game takes around 36 days to finish. At this rate, we'll have around 7 games per year! This means 7 champions per year, which is a bit high and takes away the prestige gained by being a champion. The champion's name should be remembered for a while.

The following is my idea:
Cancel all previous seasons and start all over new
This might sound a bit harsh, but we already had 7 seasons. However, can you recall the names of at least 4 champions without going to the records page? the answer is no for most of the players; and that's because there have been many consecutive games that the name of the champion is quickly forgotten.

Therefore, I suggest that we start all over new with Season 1 and make a certain time gap between seasons. This way the new champion will be remebered for a while and he'll gain his reputation.

Please tell me what do you think, and any suggestions will be very welcomed. :)

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#2 MotoGP74
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Aloushi... I have read your PM and have responded in the thread below... I will immediately close the game.. I am an officer and I didn't know you were out and was trying to take more active role as mentioned in your previous message.
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#3 kipi19
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I love your idea mate, sounds fantastic. looking forward to it
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#4 aloushi87
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Aloushi... I have read your PM and have responded in the thread below... I will immediately close the game.. I am an officer and I didn't know you were out and was trying to take more active role as mentioned in your previous message.MotoGP74
Thanks. :) Please comment on the above new idea.
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#5 aloushi87
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And how about we pause until BAtracer F1 07 game is out?
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#6 kipi19
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I had suggested that aloushi in the Season 8 thread, but i wasn't sure if people got it. This way we can take a "winter break" ourselves, and look forward to the new game.
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#7 icytower
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I think a fresh start when the Forumula 1 '07 car set is released is a good idea. Just making sure, with a clean start that also means first come first serve when we do start season 1 correct?

I also think we need to use this time before we start Season 1 to decide on a method for choosing cars for the all following seasons. On top of that, one person needs to be selected to run the season sign ups. No other person should run the sign up unless the user dedicates someone to do so in an official thread.

I hope the preceding paragraphs are not to confusing. Just let me know if they are and I'll reexplain myself hopefully more clearly.

  • Proposed new name: Formula 1 Passion Season (insert #)
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#8 MotoGP74
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i think the new idea is okay... but what about who gets to choose what car?? I think we should have a pre-season event like Champcar to decide the top of the group to get to pick cars.. what do you think? I think this is the best way to decide which player can choose which car.. we have now to form groups of one or more... and the top racers of that group will get to play F1PU F1'07 and when a champion wins... then that is a true champion..
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#9 mjk1
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i like you idea 'aloushi' & yours to motogp but i am not sure how it will work ??
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#10 SGrocker1027
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Yes I like the idea of waiting for F1 07 as well. I also think the idea of doing a champcar season beforehand to choose who gets what car is an excellent idea. First come first serve isn't as fun, as a season to determine your car. All great ideas though. 
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#11 SMUboi
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I have proposed the idea to combine Aloushi's and MotoGP's idea.. use champcar as they allow team work and also non-bias competition to select cars and chassis... you can be a one man team, a two man team or even a three man team. I have also proposed to Aloushi that I will sponsor the prize gift to the eventual F1 winner.. a gamespot PLUS subscription for one year or a BATracer KT gift.. however, I want the prize to be quite exclusive so I suggested to him to slow the F1 game when we start it to a 48 hour turn around. The slow turn around timing allows the players to come back to this website and post player reports and opinions while the game master can post the race replay as well as report... this should generate good response from all the players, especially with the prize gift... Since Aloushi mentioned that we can a 36 day turn around... this means we expanded the time frame to become F1PU champion to make this prize gift to only two people per year... a very exclusive award.. Let me know what you guys think of this... I wait for your response! :)
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#12 aloushi87
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I'm not sure about the champcar season. So it is like first driving in a champcar season then into a F1PU season, kinda tedious and long process, don't u think?

I'm still thinking of a new method, any other ideas, guys?
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#13 kipi19
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I like the "first come first serve" method. i can't really think of any ideas.
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#14 aloushi87
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I have proposed the idea to combine Aloushi's and MotoGP's idea.. use champcar as they allow team work and also non-bias competition to select cars and chassis... you can be a one man team, a two man team or even a three man team. I have also proposed to Aloushi that I will sponsor the prize gift to the eventual F1 winner.. a gamespot PLUS subscription for one year or a BATracer KT gift.. however, I want the prize to be quite exclusive so I suggested to him to slow the F1 game when we start it to a 48 hour turn around. The slow turn around timing allows the players to come back to this website and post player reports and opinions while the game master can post the race replay as well as report... this should generate good response from all the players, especially with the prize gift... Since Aloushi mentioned that we can a 36 day turn around... this means we expanded the time frame to become F1PU champion to make this prize gift to only two people per year... a very exclusive award.. Let me know what you guys think of this... I wait for your response! :)SMUboi
I like the sponsorship idea, if all what u ask for is recognition then I'm all in for it. :) May be we should make only 2-3 games per year like u suggested and increase the time gap to 48hrs. But I'm afraid that members (players) might loose interest due to long periods, what do u guys think?
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#15 mjk1
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[QUOTE="aloushi87"]I'm not sure about the champcar season. So it is like first driving in a champcar season then into a F1PU season, kinda tedious and long process, don't u think?

I'm still thinking of a new method, any other ideas, guys?

maybe just make it completely random, whoever wants to take part signs up and each driver get assigned a car by random, sort of like pulling names out of a hat or drawing straws
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[QUOTE="SMUboi"]I have proposed the idea to combine Aloushi's and MotoGP's idea.. use champcar as they allow team work and also non-bias competition to select cars and chassis... you can be a one man team, a two man team or even a three man team. I have also proposed to Aloushi that I will sponsor the prize gift to the eventual F1 winner.. a gamespot PLUS subscription for one year or a BATracer KT gift.. however, I want the prize to be quite exclusive so I suggested to him to slow the F1 game when we start it to a 48 hour turn around. The slow turn around timing allows the players to come back to this website and post player reports and opinions while the game master can post the race replay as well as report... this should generate good response from all the players, especially with the prize gift... Since Aloushi mentioned that we can a 36 day turn around... this means we expanded the time frame to become F1PU champion to make this prize gift to only two people per year... a very exclusive award.. Let me know what you guys think of this... I wait for your response! :)aloushi87
I like the sponsorship idea, if all what u ask for is recognition then I'm all in for it. :) May be we should make only 2-3 games per year like u suggested and increase the time gap to 48hrs. But I'm afraid that members (players) might loose interest due to long periods, what do u guys think?

firstly, i must say that SMUboi's offer to sponsor the BATracer prizes is extremely generous! :) and this alone is enough to 1) hold BATracer more rarely 2) keep people interested. and about choosing cars, how was the first ever F1PU BATracer season grid sorted?
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#17 icytower
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maybe just make it completely random, whoever wants to take part signs up and each driver get assigned a car by random, sort of like pulling names out of a hat or drawing strawsmjk1

I'm in another organized game started on a board and we've been doing random draw for three seasons now and it works really well.

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#18 KimisApprentice
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A Random draw would be very fair I think.
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#19 SMUboi
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[QUOTE="mjk1"]maybe just make it completely random, whoever wants to take part signs up and each driver get assigned a car by random, sort of like pulling names out of a hat or drawing strawsicytower38

I'm in another organized game started on a board and we've been doing random draw for three seasons now and it works really well.

how does your random season work???
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#20 icytower
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Say we have the following sign up for our next season: icytower38, SMUboi, KimisApprentice, BlaZe_irl, mjk1, aloushi87, kipi19, MotoGP74, SGrocker1027, fatal1rc

Obviously it would be best to have more, but this is just for example purposes.

If icytower38 is selected "leader" he puts all names in a hat and all teams in another hat. He would select a team from the hat followed by the two drivers to make up the team, and so on.

Example:

  • aloushi picks Red Bull with drivers icytower38 & mjk1
  • Midland with drivers fatal1rc & kipi19
  • Ferrari with drivers MotoGP74 & SMUboi
  • Honda with drivers SGrocker1027 & aloushi87
  • McLaren with drivers BlaZe_irl & KimisApprentice


I'm willing to be "leader" if this method is chosen.

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#21 aloushi87
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I think the random draw idea is the best so far.

Alright, let's sum up:
  • The F1PU will be organizing a whole new F1 championship; meaning that all previous seasons will be considered as testing/beta seasons.
  • The new F1PU Batracer Season 1 (name subject to change) will start whenever the new F1'07 game is available on BATracer. Hopefully it will be available with the start of the new F1 season.
  • Thanks to a generous offer from SMUboi (Ben), the season will be sponsered and the champion will receive a special prize presented by Ben plus a special tag/emblem presented by the F1PU. And to add more icing on the cake, the champion will be inducted to the newly designed Hall of Fame (will be done soon).
  • There will be a maximum of 3 seasons per year to maintain the prestige of the game and the champion.
  • There will be a 48 hours time gap between sessions. Drivers are encouarged to post reports/press conferences on a special thread that will be created on the board.
  • Only and only F1PU members will be allowed to play, so you have to be a GS memebr + F1PU member to be able to participate.

That's all for now, any idea for the new name of the championship? Jason has proposed a new name: Formula 1 Passion Season (insert #). You opinion, guys?

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#22 mjk1
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that name sound good, i was just wondering how many players will their be in 1 season, is it 22 for a full grid or can it be higher ??
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#23 atlessky
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I hope its full grid..good idea aloushi...need some rest till F1 07 is release
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#24 icytower
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Personally I like the name I used better then the one aloushi has in his bulleted list, no offense meant man.

I also think we need to pick a dedicated "leader" since it sounds like the random draw idea that I proposed is the one that will be used. I'm going to throw my hat into the race for the position as well as nominate aloushi if he is willing.

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#25 SMUboi
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I have another idea about the prize giftto prevent AWOLs and make the championship more competitive as well as keeping the series ongoing with players and make sure that they stay active on this forum board and also ensure fair play. If I can.. please let me suggest the following to qualify for the F1PU Kohler Prize Award (a choice of GameSpot PLUS one year subscription or BATracer Kool Tools; I may change the prize to both if I am impressed with the players performance) 1. Player must remain active on the F1PU forum by posting Driver reports and opinions so that other members of this forum and see it.. You don't have to post everyday or everytime, but I expect some consistency in posting. 2. An accumulated points system for the three seasons will be calculated.. a weighted points system designed by me will be calculated and tabulated. For example, if you drive a Super Aguri, you will be awarded full points for whatever you score that season, but if you drive a Renault and you score 120 points, you will only receive 40 points... Of course the weighted system is depended on the parts and tire upgrades that occurs during the season.. the less upgrades your team has the more weighted points you win! Actually, I would prefer if we can use a Fantasy league-styled system to select which car we drive... for example, the first season we select the random draw using Jason's idea, and if you get a Ferrari the first season, the next season, you have to be randomly selected for a mid-range car (like Toyota or BMW) or a low-range car (like Midland or Super Aguri).. then at the end of three seasons, the points are added and then the winner wins the prize... If anything has been proven, almost any car can win in BATracer... Jamie won in an Aguri because he had an active teammate! Douglas won the drivers in the Toyota! Let me know what you guys think of the refined Jason's proposal?
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#26 icytower
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I'm completely confused on the points end of things, but since I'm not handeling that it don't really matter to me :).

I still think random draw is the fastest way to get things started and fairest way to select cars. However, I am cool with that IF there is a clearly designate list of what cars fall in to what level that DOES NOT change. Only disadvantage I see is that it might take a bit longer to start up the season.

I know it means another thread, but I think it's time to open one up for voting on how to get this done considering that we have a few different suggestions and seeing how the real 2007, and the BATracer carset, start relatively soon.

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#27 General-Doug
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Idea. The name of the new era of BATracers F1PU will embark on should be basically called "F1PU 07 Season #".
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#28 Aunini
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[QUOTE="SMUboi"]I have another idea about the prize giftto prevent AWOLs and make the championship more competitive as well as keeping the series ongoing with players and make sure that they stay active on this forum board and also ensure fair play. If I can.. please let me suggest the following to qualify for the F1PU Kohler Prize Award (a choice of GameSpot PLUS one year subscription or BATracer Kool Tools; I may change the prize to both if I am impressed with the players performance) 1. Player must remain active on the F1PU forum by posting Driver reports and opinions so that other members of this forum and see it.. You don't have to post everyday or everytime, but I expect some consistency in posting. 2. An accumulated points system for the three seasons will be calculated.. a weighted points system designed by me will be calculated and tabulated. For example, if you drive a Super Aguri, you will be awarded full points for whatever you score that season, but if you drive a Renault and you score 120 points, you will only receive 40 points... Of course the weighted system is depended on the parts and tire upgrades that occurs during the season.. the less upgrades your team has the more weighted points you win! Actually, I would prefer if we can use a Fantasy league-styled system to select which car we drive... for example, the first season we select the random draw using Jason's idea, and if you get a Ferrari the first season, the next season, you have to be randomly selected for a mid-range car (like Toyota or BMW) or a low-range car (like Midland or Super Aguri).. then at the end of three seasons, the points are added and then the winner wins the prize... If anything has been proven, almost any car can win in BATracer... Jamie won in an Aguri because he had an active teammate! Douglas won the drivers in the Toyota! Let me know what you guys think of the refined Jason's proposal?

I don't really think this is a good idea since it would take over a year to find a winner.
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#29 SMUboi
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I'm completely confused on the points end of things, but since I'm not handeling that it don't really matter to me :).

I still think random draw is the fastest way to get things started and fairest way to select cars. However, I am cool with that IF there is a clearly designate list of what cars fall in to what level that DOES NOT change. Only disadvantage I see is that it might take a bit longer to start up the season.

I know it means another thread, but I think it's time to open one up for voting on how to get this done considering that we have a few different suggestions and seeing how the real 2007, and the BATracer carset, start relatively soon.

icytower38
True.. random drawings is faster but let me try to designate the groups based on the 06 profile... but the reality is that only when we can see the car comparison for the 07 set is when we can really say which is top level or which is bottom level... According to the 06 model 1st tier: Renault, Ferrari, McLaren 2nd tier: Williams, Honda, BMW Sauber 3rd tier: Toyota, Red Bull, Toro Rosso 4th tier: Midland, Super Aguri (now called Skyper)
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#30 SMUboi
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so according to the model above.. if you drive a Midland, you will get 100% of the points you scored for the season... if you drive a Toyota, you get 85% of the score for that season... Williams gives you 75%, and then Renault will be 65%... this is not considering the part/tire upgrades yet so I may have to tweak the model again...
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#31 SMUboi
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I don't really think this is a good idea since it would take over a year to find a winner.Aunini
Well, I'm not exactly rich so I don't know the outlook.. but I will seriously consider giving three prizes this year if we do the weighted system so everyone has a fair chance for the prize.. he may not be the season winner but he is the most consistent given the disadvantages...
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#32 SGrocker1027
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All good ideas. I like the prize system, I think thats cool. Free Kool Tools? I'd love to have that. That might take a while though, like the others said. Three seasons to determine a winner, is kind of long.

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#33 aloushi87
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At one point (I think it was season 2 or 3) I suggested the accumulated points system; where we sum up the points for all the drivers from the 6-7 seasons we hold each year and the player with the highest points score is declared as the champion of the year. However, my idea wasn't warmly received! :P

As for SMUboi's idea, it might be kinda unfair to use the weighted system. We all know that the car choice is not the most important factor for winning. Last season was won by a Toyota even though many experienced players were driving in the so called "lead" cars. There's a lot of luck involved in BATracer as well, sometimes even if u have a 100% setup and good strategy and safe driving attitude u might still end up in a crash or mechanical failure. I remember last season I was teammate with Jason and we were driving in a McLaren, we had very good setups yet our luck was so bad. Therefore, we'll have to find the fairest system possible, plus we still don't know if the cars will differ in the 07 version or not.

But I like the other idea, were if u drive in 1'st tier car in the 1st season, u cannot drive in the same tier in the next season, even if the draw puts u in a 1st tier car. Not because car choice might affect ur chances of winning, but because players usually like to drive in the lead cars. ;)

Regarding SMUboi's 1st point, I agree that the champion must also be an active poster of "professional" race reports and press conferences. We're not asking him to post all the time, just consistency as SMUboi mentioned. I have some cool ideas for press conferences where we ask the top 3 drivers questions after the race and so players can build up their drivers' characters, but lets keep that for later. :)

I think that we have 2 reasonable options so far:
1. Play across 3 seasons per year and use either my accumulated points system or SMUboi's weighted points system to determine the champion. Plus the consistency in posting professional race reports.

2.
Hold 2 seasons per year and use the regular system for determining the champion. Plus the consistency in posting professional race reports.

We should decide on this quickly, as Jason pointed out we don't have much time left and we also need to open a voting thread to decide on the system.

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#34 SMUboi
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I actually like the tier system too... it just makes it easier for all of us.. except for the random drawing as IcyTower suggested.. BUT I have a solution... There will be three tiers: 1st tier: Renault, Ferrari, McLaren 2nd tier: Williams, Honda, BMW Sauber, Toyota, Red Bull 3rd tier: Toro Rosso, Midland, Skyper Here's how we do it. There will be a total of four seasons per year.. 1st season, we do the random draw using IcyTower's way... so let's say Aloushi lands a tier 1 car and I get a 2nd tier car... In the 2nd season, there will be 3 drawing hats... The 1st tier drivers names now go into the 3rd tier hat, the 3rd tier drivers now go into the 1st tier hat, while the 2nd tier drivers remain unchanged.. The combined score wins the prize but there will be two F1PU winners.. one for each season. The 3rd and 4th season, repeats the same way.. that way, we can allow fresh players to join in the game... or we can run two series with different drivers the same time
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#35 kipi19
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I think all this weighted point system is too complicated for the prizes. thats my opinion
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#36 kimi_da_iceman2
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All the ideas sound good.  I would be interested in participating in F1PU Season 1 or whatever it is called. :P
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#37 SMUboi
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I think all this weighted point system is too complicated for the prizes. thats my opinionkipi19
hehehe... well, that's why the tier system provides a fair chance for the prize... but the driver's and constructors championship titles are the same as usual. :)
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#38 aloushi87
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Since the F1'07 car set is now available, we should settle things quickly and decide on the final system we are going to use.
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#39 kipi19
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I agree.
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#40 SGrocker1027
Member since 2006 • 36 Posts
Yes, i'm exicted to use the F107 carset. So, how will we do this? What did we finalize?