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#1 Redders1989
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2007 Turkish GP

Welcome to the 2007 Turkish GP thread, where you can discuss anything to do with this weekend's race. cjek will update the thread with the latest times when they happen.


RANDOM FACT

The Turkish GP is one of only 4 racetracks where Michael Schumacher failed to win a race in his career, the other three being South Africa, Mexico and Luxembourg.

POINTS TO DISCUSS

  1. The tension between the two McLaren drivers reached a peak in the Hungarian Qualifying three weeks ago - will this battle play into the advantage to the catching Ferrari's?
  2. The Turkish GP is well known for the incredibly difficult Turn 8, the quadruple-apex left hander - however the name "Turn 8" for something that's becoming a famous corner already seems rather bland. Can you think of a good, suitable name in which "Turn 8" should be called?
  3. McLaren's appeal date for their 15 points from Hungary has been set for September 19th - should they get their points or will they fail to get them back?
  4. Honda are desperate to get their cars back to where they should be - but the question for the rest of this year at least is can they outscore Super Aguri by the end of it?
  5. Robert Kubica has come out saying that he feels a ban on TC for 2008 is a bad thing - Alex Wurz said that it won't make any difference at all - where do you stand on the TC ban?

(I was gonna add a satellite image for this, but the track is half-built at the moment in time:lol: )

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#2 cjek
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Should be interesting to see who's on top after the summer break.. hopefully it will be a close weekend between at least Ferrari and McLaren. I don't see much hope for Honda to be honest.
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#3 Zoso_UK
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Turn 8 could be called "Corner of doom" or " THE corner" I hope Hamilton wins.
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#4 KimisApprentice
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Im wanting to see Kimi back up the front :) a lack of TC would be really quite good I think really seperate the men from the boys.
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Results of Friday's first practice session:

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#6 Redders1989
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McLaren's a second down on the Ferrari's? Not good at this early stage, they'll get closer, but a whole second gap already - doesn't fare well for the Macca boys.
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#7 Redders1989
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SESSION 2 CURRENTLY RED FLAGGED - Drain cover is loose at turn 10
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#10 cjek
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Yeah they seem to be fixing it now..

But the time is still going, and we've lost a fairly significant part of the session now. I don't get why they don't stop the clock.

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#12 Redders1989
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I know, they've lost a good 20 minutes now... I mean I can't actually watch it, I have to use the Live Timing from www.formula1.com but anyone know where I can watch it, would be helpful :)
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#13 Redders1989
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Session Re-Started after 26 minutes.
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#14 cjek
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Go to this:

http://www.myp2p.eu/Other.htm

Then look for the event you want to watch, then you'll have something like this:

Choose the channel (I recommend Wheels), then choose the software (I recommend TVU). You'll need to download and install TVU player by searching on Google, then you need to click the 'Play' link. It can take anything from 1 to 15 mins to get a good connection because it's peer to peer video, but once it's smooth, it stays that way.

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#15 cjek
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Results of Friday practice 2:

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I've just updated the first post by posting the new circuit presentation diagram I designed, I hope you'll like it guys. :)
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As usual Hamilton was very impressive, and the tesnion bteween him and Alonso seems to be almost over now. I expected something better from Alonso, it wasn't his day. Raikkonen was very fast as well.

But how did Toyota get this far? They were pretty impressive too, completely unexpected!
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#18 cjek
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Toyota have had a problem in recent weekends where they perform amazingly during practice and sometimes qualifying, but it all falls apart in the race. I'd like to see them continue their performance throughout the weekend for once.

Nice circuit diagram btw :)

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#19 aloushi87
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Toyota have had a problem in recent weekends where they perform amazingly during practice and sometimes qualifying, but it all falls apart in the race. I'd like to see them continue their performance throughout the weekend for once.

Nice circuit diagram btw :)

cjek


Yeah I also hope they'll do well this time.
I'm glad you liked the diagram! :D

Turn 8 could be called "Corner of doom" or " THE corner" I hope Hamilton wins.Zoso_UK

Yeah that corner is pretty tough!
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Good to see Kimi and Ferrari up there :)
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Results of Saturday Practice:

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Qualifying Results:

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#23 cjek
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Jenson Button and Rubens Barichello will be starting in 22nd today after engine changes. More bad luck for the Honda team.
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Race Result:

Unlucky for Hamilton with that tyre failure, but he kept the car in the race. Massa and Raikkonen did amazingly well to get the one-two which Ferrari need to now be doing regularly to win the championship.

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#25 mjk1
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Yeah it was unlucky for hamilton to suffer a tyre failure, the ferrari's did well, i thought kimi might have an edge a gain p1 in the second pitstop like before but massa held on, good race by both of them
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TURKISH GP QUOTEBOARD:

MCLAREN

Fernando Alonso - Finished 3rd/Q4

"It was not the plan to lose two places at the start, and so my race was pretty much over when I came into the first corner in sixth place. I was following Nick Heidfeld for 17 laps at the start, and it was very difficult to overtake him.

"Fortunately we were able to do this in the first round of pit stops and that was when my race could really start. Unfortunately I was 30 seconds down at that point, so third was a good result considering."

Lewis Hamilton - Finished 5th/Q2

"A little bit unfortunate but still we did a good job, and the team was fantastic all weekend. We had the pace of the Ferraris, but when you are behind you lose a little bit of downforce; we were just matching them for most of the race. I saw some bits fly off the tyre and then it just blew on braking into turn nine.

"It was lucky that I didn't put the car in the gravel and managed to control it back to the pits, as this meant that in the end I only lost two places. We still got some good points and I remain in the lead of the championship by five points, so it is not all bad."


RENAULT

Giancarlo Fisichella - Finished 9th/Q10

"My race was compromised by what happened at the first corner. Jarno braked very suddenly in front of me, I had nowhere to go and ended up hitting him, which cost me positions and made him spin.

"That ruined his race, and I am sorry, but it also cost me the chance of finishing in the points. After that, it was tough: I just had to drive flat-out, and hope for retirements. Unfortunately that didn't happen, but the pace of the car was not too bad."

Heikki Kovalainen - Finished 6th/Q7

"This was a really good race for me. The start was quite exciting, as Heidfeld pushed me very wide on the run to the first corner, and I had to back off quite a lot. But I defended my position aggressively and once the tyres started working properly after a few laps, the car balance was stable and the pace was consistent.

"Ever since Nurburgring when we introduced some new developments, we have been looking for the chance to prove they were a step forward, and I think this race has done that. Now we need to get our heads down and try to make another step at Monza."


FERRARI

Felipe Massa - Finished 1st/Q1

"This is becoming a special place for me! It is a really great win. I maintained my concentration for the whole race, trying to control the situation. Only towards the end of the second stint did I make a small mistake at turn seven which cost me the gap I had over Kimi, who closed right up to me.

"I made a very good start and the car behaved perfectly even though it has to be said it was a difficult race. Today's result is a great encouragement when looking to the final part of the season. We must continue to work in this same way and give it our best shot."

Kimi Raikkonen - Finished 2nd/Q3

"Of course I would like to have won but probably the race was decided in yesterday afternoon's qualifying session. When your main rival is your team-mate, there are less unknown factors and even less room to come up with something. However, the important thing is to have put two Ferraris in front of everyone else and, in any case, we have made up ground on the championship leader.

"The quick lap at the end? I was a bit bored with spending the whole race behind another car and so I tried to see how quick I could have been. In Monza I will have to try and do a good qualifying to be in the best possible situation for the race."


HONDA RACING

Jenson Button - Finished 13th/Q22

"It was a lot of fun passing 10 cars! If you put to one side where we finished - because 13th position is still far from a good result - I think we had a reasonable race compared to the last one. I had a good time and was able to pass quite a few of the midfield competitors that we've been struggling to keep pace with in recent races.

"Obviously starting from the back of the grid is not something I want to have to repeat but we did a good job to fight for something better and I think the team can be pleased with our performance today."

Rubens Barrichello - Finished 17th/Q21

"Obviously today was always going to be difficult starting from the back of the field.

"The car was moving around quite a bit from corner to corner and there wasn't much I could do from where we started."


BMW SAUBER

Nick Heidfeld - Finished 4th/Q6

"I am very happy about this result, as the team did a fantastic job. The race strategy, the tyre choice and the pit stops - everything worked perfectly. We made the most out of everything.

"The start especially was great fun. I was braking very late for turn one and, once again, I came very close to Fernando Alonso. Of course I dreamt I could keep him behind me over the distance, but we knew he would refuel later than me. After the stop he was in front of me and he was also faster."

Robert Kubica - Finished 8th/Q5

"It was a very hard race and I just hadn't got enough speed. Also when I was lighter in the first stint I could not build up a big enough gap. Every time I pitted someone was overtaking me.

"I did not have enough speed throughout the whole race, and this also meant I was not able to overtake. I suppose my problems were a bit of everything and I just found the car difficult to drive."


TOYOTA

Ralf Schumacher - Finished 12th/Q16

"I am not really happy with the result. I think we had the speed, but I couldn't really push early in the race and the car was not ideal with the hard tyres, so I lost a bit of time. Also, because I was on a one-stop strategy my car was very heavy and that made it hard to push earlier in the race.

"As we have seen on Friday, we have decent race speed and when I was in clear air my pace was not so bad in the end. My lap times got better towards the end of the race and they were actually quite good. If our result in qualifying had been better we would have been able to score points."

Jarno Trulli - Finished 16th/Q9

"We had the opportunity to get a better result but that is racing. It was a shame because the car was well balanced throughout the race and this is thanks to the hard work back at the factory. There was no clear lap for me to show my potential but the feeling of the car was good.

"The start went well but unfortunately at the first corner Fisichella hit me at the back and I lost a lot of positions. These things can happen. After that I overtook many cars and I had a lot of battles but when you end up at the back it is so difficult to catch up."


RED BULL RACING

David Coulthard - Finished 13th/Q13

"I made a good start and made up a few places - I think four - and thereafter I found the car to be a bit inconsistent which did not help me maintain a good pace throughout the race, especially when I had a bit of fuel on board.

"Now we will just have to see what we can find for the next race in Monza."

Mark Webber - DNF/Q12

"It looks like it was a hydraulics problem. It's a shame because I was fuelled to go for a long stint, longer than those directly ahead of us and I was just sitting in there, ready to go for it for the rest of the race.

"On the lap before I stopped I started to have problems with downshifting and then the team called me in to retire."


WILLIAMS

Nico Rosberg - Finished 7th/Q8

"Before this weekend started, I didn't expect that we would finish the race in seventh, so I am very pleased - it was a great race. I am also very happy to have beaten Kubica in the BMW - I didn't expect him to pit before us and we beat him fair and square.

"Towards the end of the race it became more difficult, but the car handled pretty well and the tyre graining was there for a shorter time than I anticipated, so I could continue to push hard. It was great to win two points for both championships."

Alex Wurz - Finished 11th/Q14

"My start was good and I felt comfortable on my first set of tyres which allowed me to attack. After the first stop, however, it was really close because a lot of people who were on a one-stop strategy went past me and that obviously cost me a bit of time.

"Ninth may have been possible and so I was pushing from the first to last lap. Heat is never an issue for me, even if mentally it was a bit tough today. But my nature is always to push! Congratulations to Nico who really had a fantastic drive."


SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO

Vitantonio Liuzzi - Finished 15th/Q15

"Overall, this was actually quite a good race from my point of view and the most important thing is that I finished. I had some problems with a harsh upshift in the first stint and towards the end I eased off a bit to look after the engine. It was good to see the chequered flag.

"I had a strong race but unfortunately the finishing position is not so good as hardly anyone stopped ahead of us. I am happy to have driven without making any mistakes. I had some good fights with Fisichella at the beginning and then with others at least for a few corners."

Sebastian Vettel - Finished 19th/Q18

"I had a good start and got away well, but as I upshifted through the gears I lost a bit of momentum. Especially in the first stint I was unable to match the pace of those ahead, particularly down the straight.

"Apart from that, my biggest problem was at the pit stop when the engine stalled, so we had to restart it and I was then in neutral instead of first, so it cost me a few seconds. Overall, it was a tough race, and we have to see now why we were not able to run at the pace we had expected."


SPYKER

Adrian Sutil - Finished 21st/Q19

"I stalled in the pits and got stuck in gear, and as Sakon was coming in soon after me they had to put the car in the garage to restart. It is a shame as I had hoped to have a good race, but you know it happens.

"We did do some really strong lap times though and the stint with the harder tyres got better and better, especially the last laps. It was just on the last lap that we had some problems with fuel pressure and I had to stop before the chequered flag."

Sakon Yamamoto - Finished 20th/Q20

"First of all I would like to thank the team as my aim was to finish the race and I've achieved my target, so I am really happy. It was not that easy as I stalled in the pit stop as the fuel pressure was low, but I did not lose too much time with this thankfully.

"For Monza we should have the B-spec so I am looking forward to this next race. I will go through the data and then prepare for this race and the next test in just a couple of days."


SUPER AGURI

Takuma Sato - Finished 18th/Q17

"It was a tough race. I did not have a very good start off the line, but I held my position. I was optimistic that I would be able to gain some positions in the back of the queue into turn one, but just in front of me one of the Toyota cars spun and completely blocked my line.

"I had to brake really hard and to avoid him I had to go round the outside and I lost many places. From then on I had a very tough race and nothing else really happening. It is a shame to finish the race weekend like this, but we just struggled with grip all weekend and continue to lack the pace."

Anthony Davidson - Finished 14th/Q11

"It was a good start, but then I got sandwiched going into turn one between Coulthard and Fisichella. Fisichella and Trulli touched, Trulli spun and I had to go on the outside of him off the track, and when I rejoined I touched another car and damaged my front end, which definitely affected the balance of my car.

"It was a tough race from there on really. We had a good strategy. We got ahead of the Toro Rosso, which was who I was fighting with all race, so it is a shame to have had a bit of contact at the start. After that, it was a good clean race and it felt good to finish another grand prix."

SOURCE: ITV-F1

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#27 aloushi87
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Strong race for the Ferrari, Massa was truly impressive. Tough luck for Hamilton, he was doing quite well. Alonso was good as well, but I was also impressed by Kovalainan as he seems to be improving constantly despite the bad start this season.
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#28 wombat26
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Yeah, great performances by the Ferraris. Massa just controlled the race from start to finish. I also agree with Aloushi that Kovalainen was very impressive. He's now putting in the kind of performances that everyone was expecting from him at the beginning of the season and is comprehensively beating Fisi.
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#29 Redders1989
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...and it's with that consistant strong performance now that Fisi really has to be worrying who Flavio will name as his two drivers in about 2 weeks time. We always said if Heikki could beat Fisi, then Giancarlo's out, and Kovalainen has managed to do it at just the right moment it seems.
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#30 cjek
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I love the way Kimi explains his fastest lap: "I was a bit bored with spending the whole race behind another car and so I tried to see how quick I could have been."
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#31 mjk1
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I love the way Kimi explains his fastest lap: "I was a bit bored with spending the whole race behind another car and so I tried to see how quick I could have been."cjek

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