Update: Revised 2010 points system Confirmed

Formula 1 is set for a radical alteration to its points system in 2010 if the World Motor Sport Council approves an F1 Commission proposal to give points to the top 10 finishers in each race.

In today's Commission meeting, chaired by Bernie Ecclestone and attended by FIA president Jean Todt, a new scoring system was put forward which will award 25 points to each race winner, 20 for second place, 15 for third and 10 for fourth, before descending 8-6-5-3-2-1 for fifth through 10th positions.

The change has been proposed to take into account the increased field for 2010, when the addition of the new entrants will take the grid up to 26 cars, its highest figure since 1995.

Assuming it is approved by the WMSC, the change would be the first revision to the points system since the number of scoring drivers per race was increased from six to eight in 2003.

The F1 Commission also agreed that its Sporting Working Group sub-committee should develop "detailed proposals to improve the show" that would take effect next year, and that "the FIA and FOM will further collaborate to enhance the communication and promotion of the championship to the media and its worldwide fanbase."

SOURCE: Autosport

ED: Press release can be found here.

Blimey i didn't see that coming, it's very similar to the system used in motogp, and an extension of the system FOTA suggested this time last year.

15, 12, 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

Thats my personal belief of what should happen, 1st Place gets well rewarded, 2nd place no so much better, and this is to improve driver competition and encourage over taking.

I understand that the points system needs to be accomodated, but not with the Sh**ty idea they are trying to introduce.

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on topic - after the points system debacle at the start of the 09 season didn't Bernie confirm we would be using the medal system, or is that going to be running as well as this new points system?

Either way the new proposed points does give a massive boost for getting a win compared to just running for a points finish, so that may be enough incentive from Bernie's point of view to make teams really push for the extra position during the race. It will also make it even easier to lock out a championship if a team has a similar start as Brawn did this year

Personally it feels a bit too "American scoring" where end of season scores have to be huge to make it feel like a bigger achievement. Will we soon be seeing bonus points for things like most laps lead or qualifying positions?

My knowledge is the medal system has been dropped completely.

As for the change itself, Jenson Button claims it's a great move for giving more points to the winner. He states how he won 6 races and each time he only got 2 points more than 2nd place. He believes it's better to have a much larger margain so the incentive to win is there.

UPDATE: Working on a 2009 table based upon the 2010 points system. I'll post it soon. Gotta travel home first before I finish it off.

thank god - the medal system was just about the most stupid idea to come out of Bernie's mouth IMO!

I like the look of the new system - makes it a bigger decision to settle for second :)

My knowledge is the medal system has been dropped completely.

As for the change itself, Jenson Button claims it's a great move for giving more points to the winner. He states how he won 6 races and each time he only got 2 points more than 2nd place. He believes it's better to have a much larger margain so the incentive to win is there.

Redders1989

If the 2010 system was implemented in 2009...

1. Jenson Button (Brawn GP, 230.5 pts.)
2. Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull, 203 pts.)
3. Rubens Barrichello (Brawn GP, 183 pts.)
4. Mark Webber (Red Bull, 175 pts.)
5. Lewis Hamilton (McLaren, 120.5 pts.)
6. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari, 119 pts.)
7. Jarno Trulli (Toyota, 78 pts.)
8. Nico Rosberg (Williams, 75.5 pts.)
9. Timo Glock (Toyota, 63.5 pts.)
10. Fernando Alonso (Renault, 62 pts.)
11. Felipe Massa (Ferrari, 48 pts.)
12. Heikki Kovalainen (McLaren, 46 pts.)
13. Nick Heidfeld (BMW, 44 pts.)
14. Robert Kubica (BMW, 44 pts.)
15. Giancarlo Fisichella (Ferrari, 26 pts.)
16. Sebastien Buemi (Toro Rosso, 16 pts.)
17. Adrian Sutil (Force India, 13 pts.)
18. Kamui Kobayashi (Toyota, 8 pts.)
19. Sebastien Bourdais (Toro Rosso, 6.5 pts.)
20. Kazuki Nakajima (Williams, 5 pts.)
21. Nelson Piquet (Renault, 1 pt.)

For the Constructors...

1. Brawn GP (413.5 pts.)
2. Red Bull (378 pts.)
3. Ferrari (170 pts.)
4. McLaren (166.5 pts.)
5. Toyota (149.5 pts.)
6. BMW (88 pts.)
7. Williams (80.5 pts.)
8. Renault (63 pts.)
9. Force India (36 pts.)
10. Toro Rosso (22.5 pts.)

* Force India would've scored points in the first race in Australia, as Sutil finished 9th
* Ferrari would've scored their first point in Malaysia as Massa finished 9th
* Raikkonen would've scored his first point in China
* Nelson Piquet would've scored in 2009 as he finished 10th in Bahrain
* Jenson Button would've eclipsed his actual 2009 points total by Spain - only the 5th round in the season.
* Even though Glock's points scoring ended at the Spanish GP in real life, it would've continued until the European GP using this system.
* Giancarlo Fisichella would've scored in Monaco for Force India, rather than waiting for 2nd place in Belgium.
* Despite the new scoring system, Kubica still wouldn't have scored anything until the Turkish GP.
* By the time Jenson stopped winning, he'd have had a 70.5 point lead over Rubens Barrichello.
* Mark Webber wouldn't have taken 2nd in the Drivers Championship when he won the German GP.
* Felipe Massa would've scored more than double the points he actually did.
* Kazuki Nakajima would've scored in 2009 as he finished 9th in Hungary.
* Giancarlo Fisichella would've scored 23 points with Force India.
* Giancarlo Fisichella would've scored points for Ferrari as he finished 9th in Italy.
* Kamui Kobayashi would've scored on his debut F1 race.
* Even though Fisichella would've scored for Ferrari, even without his points Ferrari would've beaten McLaren to third in the Constructors.
* Piquet would've only contributed one point to Renault's total. Romain Grosjean wouldn't have scored anything even with the new system.

FIA ANNOUNCES NEW POINTS SYSTEM

Formula 1 will introduce a new points system from 2010 after the FIA World Motor Sport Council approved the F1 Commission's proposal to award points to the top 10 finishers in each race.

A statement from today's meeting of the World Council said: "Due to the expanded grid of 13 teams, and further to the recommendation of the F1 Commission, a new points system will be in place for the 2010 season."

The new system will award points in the following order: 25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1.

The change was proposed to take into account the increased field for 2010, when the addition of the new entrants will take the grid up to 26 cars - its highest figure since 1995.

It is the first amendment since the current system came into force in 2003.

SOURCE: Autosport

ED: So it's confirmed - it's gonna happen folks.

Oh fantastic! Now you can be even less talented and score points!!! :(MarshyMan100

Yuji Ide is kicking himself somewhere.

Schumacher needs to come back now. All his point-scoring records are going to be thrashed next year.XSamFisherX

I think the old points records now need to be underlined and a new set started - leaving MS records in tact!

[QUOTE="MarshyMan100"]Oh fantastic! Now you can be even less talented and score points!!! :(Redders1989

Yuji Ide is kicking himself somewhere.

Lmao! But seriously, when the FIA introduced the current points system back in 2003, we immediatly saw mediocre drives (mediocre at best) such as Christian Klien and Kazuki Nakajima scoring points. The only way these two drivers ever scored a postion which would have been enough to get them points under the old points system last used in 2002, was in high attrition races. Alex Yoong should have tried for a Lotus F1 seat. Would have fancied his chances at a handful of points, Lol! All this malarky about "it makes sense because there is more cars on the grid", is a load of BS! All the new teams will be nowhere in 2010, because they have not had enough time to develop a quick and consistently reliable car. You get my point. We are gonna see drivers next year, that simply dont deserve to score many points...scoring on a regular basis. I'll admit, it's better for the racing. But when they had the 2002 points scoring system in the late 80's and early 90's, the end of season scores were extremley similar to what we see now. And even then they had back of the grid teams, that couldn't cut the mustard, so it effectivley became a twenty car race, though unless something extraordinary happend only eight of them could really challenge for victory. So now it's just gonna be to easy! Anyone get my point?

Marshyman makes a perfect point IMO

Marshyman makes a perfect point IMO

kipi19

Ok then! I'm glad it made sense. Tbh, I thought I might have been rambaling on a little! :)

Nah, I think the points system needs a TRUE overhaul to award drivers who do deserve them, I mean in NASCAR for example, any different driver who leads a lap gets 5pts, in F1, why not have the same system, but just for an extra point, just little insentives for drivers to make more of an effort.

I feel that awards for drivers should be as follows, keep the 15, 12, 10 etc points system I recommended, no huge gaps and drivers have the insentive to win PLUS

1pt - Driver who leads most laps during the race
1pt - Pole Position
1pt - To any driver who leads a lap
1pt - Driver who sets the fastest lap of the weekend. including all 3 Practices, Qualifying and Race.

It just provides that little extra more for drivers who are trying hard and pushing and are taking the chances. and not for mediocre drives just to score points.

Whilst I agree with you Marshy, I wouldn't put Klien in the same boat as you do. It was reliability that cost him in 2006, as he did out-perform DC for most of the year, it's just that issues with the car messed up his chances. It would've been him that took Red Bull's first podium after all if it wasn't for an electrical problem.

That said, he wouldn't exactly light the world on fire either.

Personally, I still don't know where to stand in regards to the points change. I get why it's been done, but I don't think it's going to benefit the smaller teams, more reward the top drivers if they make a mistake and have to claw back positions.

Well looking back at the qualifying sessions of 2005 and 2006 and the race results, David Coulthard consistently out performed Klien. David also scored considerably more points than Klien. I'm not saying Klien didn't have his moments, but he simply wasn't fast enough!

Well looking back at the qualifying sessions of 2005 and 2006 and the race results, David Coulthard consistently out performed Klien. David also scored considerably more points than Klien. I'm not saying Klien didn't have his moments, but he simply wasn't fast enough!

MarshyMan100

Highlighted the exact point I made. Results showed DC ahead, but Klien was doing his fair share of out-performing DC, only to retire from problems for whatever reason. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't spectacular, but he wasn't awful either. At least that we agree on :lol:

[QUOTE="MarshyMan100"]

Well looking back at the qualifying sessions of 2005 and 2006 and the race results, David Coulthard consistently out performed Klien. David also scored considerably more points than Klien. I'm not saying Klien didn't have his moments, but he simply wasn't fast enough!

Redders1989

Highlighted the exact point I made. Results showed DC ahead, but Klien was doing his fair share of out-performing DC, only to retire from problems for whatever reason. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't spectacular, but he wasn't awful either. At least that we agree on :lol:

Oh yeah, I get it now...now you put it more bluntly, Lol! My limited brian capicity you see! ;)

F1's points-scoring system could be revised in 2010 to reward pole position and fastest lap during the race, Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali tells Italian newspaper La Stampa.BBC Sport Gossip Column

[QUOTE="kipi19"]

Marshyman makes a perfect point IMO

MarshyMan100

Ok then! I'm glad it made sense. Tbh, I thought I might have been rambaling on a little! :)

We are used to it :D

[QUOTE="BBC Sport Gossip Column"]F1's points-scoring system could be revised in 2010 to reward pole position and fastest lap during the race, Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali tells Italian newspaper La Stampa.Redders1989

That is exactly what F1 needs, far more than any other points overhaul. Actually reward people for getting pole and FL.

The only problem i can see with rewarding points for the FL and pole was one that was pointed out on F1 Fanatic, which is that the title could in theory be won during qualifying or by people who going for banzai fresh tyre runs right at the end of the race rather than racing for positionRacky_rules

If it were won during qualifying, it would probably be very exciting actually. A driver taking pole and taking the world championship simultaneously would be epic. Similarly, imagine Driver A has won the final race, and Driver B is down in 14th, and he needs a point to give him the title. Imagine the tension as we watch Driver B on-board, absolutely flooring it, desperately trying to set the fastest lap. The excitement as he approaches the start finish line could be immense. Similarly, if he bins it in the gravel, it would be just as much fun to watch.

I think with the new point system, it makes it hard for just 1 point to make the difference anyway. And 1 point is a much smaller thing than in was in 2009. 

POINTS ADJUSTMENT SET TO BE DISCUSSED

Alterations to the new-for-2010 Formula 1 points system are still possible, with the topic set to be discussed at a forthcoming Formula 1 Commission meeting.

In December last year the FIA's World Motor Sport Council approved an F1 Commission proposal that the top ten finishers in each race should score under a 25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1 distribution to reflect the fact that the grid was growing from 20 to 26 cars in 2010.

But Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali confirmed at the Wrooom ski meeting today that this may yet be adjusted, amid suggestions of a minor tweak to give a greater percentage separation between the first and second place scores.

"There's going to be a meeting in the next couple of weeks to reconsider some items of the regulations, among which is the scoring system," he said.

"In the agenda we do not only have the fact that we have to re-seed the scoring system, but also there may be other issues that may be important, linked to the use of tyres, linked to the number of pitstops. This is going to be defined by the end of January.

"There's going to be a meeting of the Formula 1 Commission, I think it's going to be 1 February. Then we have to give some time to our fans, the media and all those involved, to understand what these changes are going to be. This issue is not stable yet. To date I cannot anticipate anything because we still have to discuss it."

He does not expect any major changes to the Q1/Q2/Q3 qualifying format, but hinted at small adjustments to make the system work with the 2010 race format, under which mid-race refuelling is removed.

"[Qualifying] should remain the same as a system," said Domenicali. "Clearly the cars will do qualifying without a fuel load. The discussion is about the tyres which can be used and if the tyres used in Q3 have to be used at the start of the race."

He believes that all parties involved in F1 also need to finalise a long-term strategy for the championship during the early part of this year.

"2013 is very close. We're going to have new challenges then," Domenicali said. "From a technical point of view we're going to have to review the car concept with a view also of the new environmental needs and the new technologies that have to be implemented not only in the automotive world but in the sports world.

"We're going to have to renegotiate the commercial agreement. We have many issues that we have to tackle, so in the coming weeks we're going to have to put down an agenda in FOTA with our priorities."

Domenicali suggested that a relaxation of the new strict testing restrictions should also be discussed in the near future.

"I think we have gone too much under the limit," he said. "For example with Michael [Schumacher] - that he has to use GP2 shows that clearly we have to make some changes.

"We believe we have to reconsider this again, with a goal of cutting down costs of course. But there is also safety for young drivers and the need of having to work on the race track. If we limit the costs on one hand we increase the costs in other areas. One of the activities the FOTA teams have to tackle is how to increase the number of tests, I think it is necessary to do so."

He also thinks that the issue of teams running third cars could be revisited if some of the new squads joining F1 in 2010 run into trouble.

"We're going to have to understand how these teams are going to be, if they're going to follow up on their programme," Domenicali said. "We've seen many meteorites in the past, and we need stars that stick in the sky.

"As for the third car, we have always been in favour of this possibility, and I think this follows up on the interest of our fans who want to see big teams with big names.

"We think this could be discussed again should things go differently, should there be a situation in which some teams may not be as sturdy as they have presented themselves. From this point of view, we've always said that a third car could be a possibility for allowing Formula 1 to grow."

SOURCE: Autosport

NEW POINTS NEED TWEAKING - ECCLESTONE
(Includes controversial comment about shortcuts)

Bernie Ecclestone would back a further adjustment to the new 2010 points system, as he feels the current proposal will not sufficiently increase overtaking.

The FIA ratified the Formula 1 Commission's suggested 25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1 points spread for the top ten finishers before Christmas, but Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali said today that this could still be altered.

There have been suggestions that a greater gap between the points for winning and finishing second should be introduced - a proposal Ecclestone would fully endorse.

"I think they were very clever in what they did, because the points system that we agreed has made no difference at all," he said.

"My idea was to make a much bigger gap between first and second, and maybe second and third. What I was trying to do was give people the incentive to overtake, not to sit there getting points."

Ecclestone also revealed that he had more radical proposals to improve the show - starting with a controversial plan to introduce 'shortcuts' at grand prix tracks that each driver could use for a limited number of times per race.

"I think it would be very easy for us on each circuit to have an area where you could gain a bit of time so you could overtake - a shortcut if you like - which a driver could use five times during the race, so it would stop people getting stuck behind somebody," he suggested.

"It's good for TV, good for the TV commentators, they could talk about somebody having three [shortcuts] left and somebody else having two and what's going to happen and so on."

He added that modern F1 cars' efficient brakes and reliability had also damaged the spectacle.

"The other thing I've been pushing like crazy with people is that brakes these days are so efficient that - I'll say this and it's probably wrong - I could brake as late as anyone else if I saw the braking markers," said Ecclestone.

"In the seventies and eighties, all the overtaking was done was under braking going into corners. That doesn't happen anymore.

"The other thing that's bad, in the seventies whoever was in the top six places at half distance, you could guarantee that by the end of the race only three of them would be there - and now all six are there. You don't get people stopping anymore."

But despite his desire for regulation changes to increase the level of drama in races, Ecclestone still believes that this year's driver and team line-up should produce an exciting championship, especially with Michael Schumacher's return.

"I think it's wonderful, it's going to be a good year - good competition inside the teams and the teams with each other," he said. "I'd be surprised if it wasn't one of the best years for a long time."

SOURCE: Autosport

IRVINE DISMISSES ECCLESTONE SHORTCUT IDEA

Former Ferrari driver Eddie Irvine has dismissed Bernie Ecclestone's proposal that shortcuts should be introduced to Formula 1 circuits.

It is the latest in a series of radical ideas put forward by F1's ring master in an attempt to improve racing.

But Irvine told BBC Radio 5 live: "It doesn't make sense. It's not even a gimmick really, it's horrible.

"The whole point about Formula 1 is that it's difficult to overtake, it's something special."

Ecclestone's proposals are believed to be motivated by a belief that this year's ban on refuelling will have a detrimental effect on racing by reducing the ability of drivers to change position.

Overtaking is notoriously difficult in F1 and drivers and teams have often used pit stops and strategy to try to pass rivals who are holding them up.

But leading engineers say there is no reason to believe the racing will be worse in 2010 just because refuelling is no longer allowed.

And Irvine believes banning refuelling could encourage overtaking, saying: "That in itself will make overtaking more plausible because of the difference in potential between the cars.

"Some cars will be better on full fuel, some will be better on low fuel, so you'll have a greater difference. You'll have drivers who are harder on their tyres than others, so there'll be a greater difference.

"The degradation of the cars will be higher because they're carrying so much fuel - that will all help."

In the past year Ecclestone has suggested major changes to F1's regulations, including making the driver with the most wins world champion, and deciding the top 10 starting positions on the grid by a lottery.

Both proposals were eventually rejected but a revised points system has been introduced and Irvine criticised the sport's governing body for making changes he believes have destroyed the sport's history.

"The problem with Formula 1 is that they keep changing things to try and make it better when really there was nothing wrong in the first place," said the former Ferrari and Jordan driver.

"At the end of the day, the whole sport has been destroyed because they've changed qualifying, they've changed the points system.

"They've taken away the history of the sport. It had a great history, you had statistics that drivers could say 'I've got so many points, I scored a point in my first grand prix, I can compare myself with guys in the 70s the 80s'.

"The fans could see the history, but nothing is relevant to what used to happen, it's all changed, it's all rubbish.

"They just need to say 'right, the sport was great back then, let's keep it like that'."

Four new teams are set to be on the grid for the first race of the season in Bahrain on 14 March.

Lotus will be joined by US F1, Virgin and Campos, although there has been speculation about the state of readiness of all of them.

But Irvine is hopeful that the presence of the new teams will improve the sport as a spectacle.

Irvine said: "Hopefully with these privateer teams coming in they won't be as professional as the manufacturers, they won't have the budgets. There'll be greater difference between the cars and there'll be more lapping going on, it used to be a big part of the race.

"They just need to go back to how it was and realise they've been messing around in the last 10 years with something which was fine."

SOURCE: BBC Sport

THE GRAVEL TRAP: SILVERSTONE SAYS "GAME ON!"

Bernie Ecclestone has come up with an idea that may well revolutionise grand prix racing with the suggestion that drivers should be allowed to take up to five shortcuts per race, to overcome the problem of the lack of overtaking.

While some, including anybody in a white coat, have their doubts, the idea has been warmly received at Silverstone.

A spokesman for the track said today: "We have heard that Jarno Trulli has reacted to Bernie's idea by saying that F1 is not a game - but we think he is wrong and that this is just what the sport needs."

He went on: "We plan to incorporate this idea into our new track by creating a huge snakes and ladders set that will cover the entire circuit, where drivers can not only go up the ladder, gaining many places, but they can also slide down snakes if they get too far ahead."

Other plans that involve converting the glass BRDC HQ into a giant Ker-Plunk set and creating a two-acre Monopoly board behind the paddock are being considered.

SOURCE OF JOKE: ITV-F1

NEW 2010 POINTS SYSTEM TWEAKED 

Formula 1 has edged closer to a further overhaul of its points structure for the 2010 season after teams approved a new system that will offer greater rewards for winning, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Just more than one month after the old 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system was replaced with a MotoGP-type format (25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1), sources have revealed a meeting of F1 think tank the Sporting Working Group in London on Friday approved a further overhaul to reward more for race wins.

Rather than there being a five points different between first and second, teams agreed to expand that difference to seven points - with further tweaks to the points taking place lower down the order.

The new points structure approved by the SWG is: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1.

The matter still needs to be approved by next month's meeting of the Formula 1 Commission before the FIA World Motor Sport Council can put it into the 2010 regulations, but this is likely to be a formality with teams already having voted in favour of the changes.

Although yet another change to the regulations is not ideal for F1, especially after such fanfare in December at the first amendment, Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner is adamant that the sport should always be ready to put its hands up if it thinks things are wrong.

He also believed a greater points gap between first and second would provide greater motivation for drivers to fight harder for the win.

"I think you should never be afraid of change so long as it is a change for the better," he told AUTOSPORT ahead of the SWG meeting.

"And I think that what the points are trying to be designed to do are first of all - to generate a pecking order perhaps lower down in the top ten - so that with the points going down to 10th place there is reward for a top ten finish.

"But I think also one of the factors that Bernie is keen to look at is perhaps having a heavier weight between first, second and third, so there is more emphasis that rather than drivers cruising and collecting points, that they have to go for it.

"It is not because drivers don't want to take the risk, but if the points difference between a win and second is two points it is not the end of the world, whereas if it is a significant number then it adds motivation for the drivers to push each other very hard."

AUTOSPORT understands that the SWG also discussed the idea of awarding points for pole position or fastest lap, but neither of these concepts were agreed.

The SWG also talked at length about the possibility of introducing a rule that would force drivers to make two mandatory pit stops during a race, but this was not approved either. F1 drivers will therefore only need to make a single pit-stop in 2010 so as to ensure that they run on both types of tyres made available.

AUTOSPORT 

2010 POINTS SYSTEM CONFIRMATION 

The Formula 1 Commission, the sport's rule-making body, has voted to change the points system for the second time in two months. It has extended the gap from first to second place to seven points rather than five in an attempt to encourage drivers to race to win (as if they don't already), so the top 10 now goes: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1.

The FIA said that further measures for 2010 were also being examined.

Teams have also approved changes to the technical regulations for 2011 that will effectively ban double diffusers.

Furthermore, reductions in aerodynamic downforce will be achieved by cutting the maximum height of the diffuser from 175mm to 125mm.

FIA president Jean Todt is also making a push for more green technologies in the sport to be considered.

An FIA statement said: "The Commission received a strong mandate from the FIA President to examine the introduction of new environmental technologies in the Championship. The mandate was warmly welcomed by the teams and further proposals will be developed."

BBC SPORT, AUTOSPORT