Top favorite RPGS (including FFs) overall!

In no particular order list your most beloved, top list rpgs of your video game knowledge (if u cant possibly keep it under 10 its ok XD ) i just want to know what everyone thinks, and what there interests are.

Xenogears

Vagrant Story

FF tactics

Valkyire profile

BoF 3

BoF dragon quater

FF6

Chrono Cross

FF8

Secret of Evermore

Baiten Kiatos

(I edited the title to make it more related to the union. ~FG)

Final Fantasy VI, IV and XII.

Morrowind and OPblivion

Chrono Trigger

Diablo 1 and 2

This is what springs to mind instantly

Nice list fs.

In this order:

Morrowind

Final Fantasy Tactics

Kotor

Final Fantasy VI

Phantasy Star IV

Thanks.

I can't believe I forgot KOTOR. Great game

Morrowind/Oblivion

FFVII/VIII/X/XII

Golden Sun

Quest 64

Mine would go like:

Mother 3

FFVI/VII/IX/Legends

Earthbound

Its a Wonderful World

Tales of Phantasia

Skies of Arcadia

Dragon Quest series

Chrono series

oh and the Parasite Eve series:D

In no particular order,

1) Chrono Cross

2) Final Fantasy VI, VII, VIII

3) Suikoden III

4) Xenogears

5) FF Tactics

6) Valkyrie Profile

Mine are:

1. Final Fantasy VI

2. Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

3. Final Fantasy IV

4. Fallout 2

5. Chrono Trigger

6. Knights of the Old Republic

7. Diablo 2(lod included)

8. Final Fantasy VII

9. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

10. Dragon Quest VIII

this is by series not game, if u just wanna pout ur ffs in order go to my thread

ff

morrowind

valkyire profile

dragon ques

kingdom hearts

pokemon(they were rpgs, oh come on! i was six when they came out!)

If its by series you should put elder scrolls not morrowind seeing as how morrowind is part of the elder scrolls series.UntouchableHyer

ya soz thats what i meant also i meant dragon quest not ques

FF7

Chrono Trigger

FF Tactics

Star Ocean 2 (what other game can you make counterfeit money in LOL)

FF6

Mine are:

1. Final Fantasy VI

2. Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

3. Final Fantasy IV

4. Fallout 2

5. Chrono Trigger

6. Knights of the Old Republic

7. Diablo 2(lod included)

8. Final Fantasy VII

9. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

10. Dragon Quest VIII

UntouchableHyer

[QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"]

Mine are:

1. Final Fantasy VI

2. Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

3. Final Fantasy IV

4. Fallout 2

5. Chrono Trigger

6. Knights of the Old Republic

7. Diablo 2(lod included)

8. Final Fantasy VII

9. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

10. Dragon Quest VIII

fs_metal

Cause arguing fun. :P

Final Fantasy VII

Final Fantasy X

Final Fantasy IV

Final Fantasy VI

Golden Sun & Golden Sun: The Lost Age

Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King

Diablo

Diablo II: Lord of Destruction (original game + expansion)

Paper Mario & Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door

Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga & Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time

Chrono Trigger

It was impossible for me to make a short list, but those games above are pretty much some of my favourite games ever. I'm probably forgetting something too.

I would have put morrowind into my list but.. my freinds and i pillaged that game for all its worth(not even kidding) and it just has too many broken glitches that make it to easy :(

[QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"]

Mine are:

1. Final Fantasy VI

2. Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

3. Final Fantasy IV

4. Fallout 2

5. Chrono Trigger

6. Knights of the Old Republic

7. Diablo 2(lod included)

8. Final Fantasy VII

9. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

10. Dragon Quest VIII

fs_metal

Well because you have a tendency to argue people who like different games, me and you like very similar games but we argue over FF XII which you like and i didn't like so much.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"]

Mine are:

1. Final Fantasy VI

2. Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

3. Final Fantasy IV

4. Fallout 2

5. Chrono Trigger

6. Knights of the Old Republic

7. Diablo 2(lod included)

8. Final Fantasy VII

9. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

10. Dragon Quest VIII

UntouchableHyer

Well because you have a tendency to argue people who like different games, me and you like very similar games but we argue over FF XII which you like and i didn't like so much.

[QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"]

Mine are:

1. Final Fantasy VI

2. Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

3. Final Fantasy IV

4. Fallout 2

5. Chrono Trigger

6. Knights of the Old Republic

7. Diablo 2(lod included)

8. Final Fantasy VII

9. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

10. Dragon Quest VIII

fs_metal

Well because you have a tendency to argue people who like different games, me and you like very similar games but we argue over FF XII which you like and i didn't like so much.

FFXII never gets bashed:D Its averege score among critics is 9.1, and from GS users its 9.2. Everyone loves it other than certain groups of people. Like FF puritans and me:D

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"]

Mine are:

1. Final Fantasy VI

2. Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

3. Final Fantasy IV

4. Fallout 2

5. Chrono Trigger

6. Knights of the Old Republic

7. Diablo 2(lod included)

8. Final Fantasy VII

9. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

10. Dragon Quest VIII

chaosmakerX

Well because you have a tendency to argue people who like different games, me and you like very similar games but we argue over FF XII which you like and i didn't like so much.

FFXII never gets bashed:D Its averege score among critics is 9.1, and from GS users its 9.2. Everyone loves it other than certain groups of people. Like FF puritans and me:D

Correct it got praised by critics more or less but ff puritans such as myself didn't like the change in gameplay(gambits and way too long boss fights) and most didn't like the way the story was told. But what do yo expect from us if we don't like the change we complain. Sakaguchi isn't looking to change anything seeing as lost odyssey will have random encounters (as of now).

mine would probably be (in no particular order)

final fantasy X/VII/XII/IX

star ocean: till the end of time

suikoden V

tales of symphonia

valkyrie profile

oops, i forgot dragon quest VIII

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"]

Mine are:

1. Final Fantasy VI

2. Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind

3. Final Fantasy IV

4. Fallout 2

5. Chrono Trigger

6. Knights of the Old Republic

7. Diablo 2(lod included)

8. Final Fantasy VII

9. Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

10. Dragon Quest VIII

chaosmakerX

Well because you have a tendency to argue people who like different games, me and you like very similar games but we argue over FF XII which you like and i didn't like so much.

FFXII never gets bashed:D Its averege score among critics is 9.1, and from GS users its 9.2. Everyone loves it other than certain groups of people. Like FF puritans and me:D

I think that the people who dislike Final Fantasy XII dislike it mostly because of the huge departure it is from the rest of the series. See a lot of people didn't like the fact that FFXI was going to be an MMO but in the end I don't think anyone really cared because they knew that FFXII would be a "normal" Final Fantasy game again. The problem is that FFXII pretty much followed in the footsteps of FFXI, as in it feels kind of like a singleplayer MMO, rather than the typical Final Fantasy game. (Gameplay wise speaking of course, not the story).

I don't have anything against Final Fantasy XII myself, but it is quite different from the rest and I'd personally like to see the franchise return to it's roots somewhat battle-system wise, I'm not a big fan of real time battle role playing games.

It's kind of like what Final Fantasy VII did, it was such a huge departure that at first it was almost unrecognizable, and Final Fantasy XII has done the same thing, except I think it has taken even bigger leaps and bounds out of the Final Fantasy "comfort zone" than Final Fantasy VII and VIII did.

I think that the people who dislike Final Fantasy XII dislike it mostly because of the huge departure it is from the rest of the series. See a lot of people didn't like the fact that FFXI was going to be an MMO but in the end I don't think anyone really cared because they knew that FFXII would be a "normal" Final Fantasy game again. The problem is that FFXII pretty much followed in the footsteps of FFXI, as in it feels kind of like a singleplayer MMO, rather than the typical Final Fantasy game. (Gameplay wise speaking of course, not the story).

I don't have anything against Final Fantasy XII myself, but it is quite different from the rest and I'd personally like to see the franchise return to it's roots somewhat battle-system wise, I'm not a big fan of real time battle role playing games.

It's kind of like what Final Fantasy VII did, it was such a huge departure that at first it was almost unrecognizable, and Final Fantasy XII has done the same thing, except I think it has taken even bigger leaps and bounds out of the Final Fantasy "comfort zone" than Final Fantasy VII and VIII did.

KnightsofRound

Honestly the gameplay isn't that altered. They left the ATB system in place that FF gamers have been playing since IUV on the SNES, but they stuck it all in real time and made it more fluent. Then they added gambits. Other than that with the story being mor e political and less character driven, there weren't any big changes. Chocobos? check. Moogles? check. Fantasy setting? check. Cid? check. Other cid? Check.Exploration like the first 9 games had? Check+1 (iot is the largest and most explorable world yet). Classic FF enemies and skills? Check. Crystals? Check. IT has every single thing that it need to be to be a Final Fantasy and, in many ways, is very much what FF fans were expecting.

I believe FFVIII was the biggest depatrure from FF.

[QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think that the people who dislike Final Fantasy XII dislike it mostly because of the huge departure it is from the rest of the series. See a lot of people didn't like the fact that FFXI was going to be an MMO but in the end I don't think anyone really cared because they knew that FFXII would be a "normal" Final Fantasy game again. The problem is that FFXII pretty much followed in the footsteps of FFXI, as in it feels kind of like a singleplayer MMO, rather than the typical Final Fantasy game. (Gameplay wise speaking of course, not the story).

I don't have anything against Final Fantasy XII myself, but it is quite different from the rest and I'd personally like to see the franchise return to it's roots somewhat battle-system wise, I'm not a big fan of real time battle role playing games.

It's kind of like what Final Fantasy VII did, it was such a huge departure that at first it was almost unrecognizable, and Final Fantasy XII has done the same thing, except I think it has taken even bigger leaps and bounds out of the Final Fantasy "comfort zone" than Final Fantasy VII and VIII did.

fs_metal

Honestly the gameplay isn't that altered. They left the ATB system in place that FF gamers have been playing since IUV on the SNES, but they stuck it all in real time and made it more fluent. Then they added gambits. Other than that with the story being mor e political and less character driven, there weren't any big changes. Chocobos? check. Moogles? check. Fantasy setting? check. Cid? check. Other cid? Check.Exploration like the first 9 games had? Check+1 (iot is the largest and most explorable world yet). Classic FF enemies and skills? Check. Crystals? Check. IT has every single thing that it need to be to be a Final Fantasy and, in many ways, is very much what FF fans were expecting.

I believe FFVIII was the biggest depatrure from FF.

? Why would FFVIII be a departure? Me personally, its not that I didn't like it cuz it was a departure...... I just wasn't fun, I just didn't feel the magic while playing (by magic I mean that funfeeling in FF games that drags you in to stay up all night and play it:D)

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think that the people who dislike Final Fantasy XII dislike it mostly because of the huge departure it is from the rest of the series. See a lot of people didn't like the fact that FFXI was going to be an MMO but in the end I don't think anyone really cared because they knew that FFXII would be a "normal" Final Fantasy game again. The problem is that FFXII pretty much followed in the footsteps of FFXI, as in it feels kind of like a singleplayer MMO, rather than the typical Final Fantasy game. (Gameplay wise speaking of course, not the story).

I don't have anything against Final Fantasy XII myself, but it is quite different from the rest and I'd personally like to see the franchise return to it's roots somewhat battle-system wise, I'm not a big fan of real time battle role playing games.

It's kind of like what Final Fantasy VII did, it was such a huge departure that at first it was almost unrecognizable, and Final Fantasy XII has done the same thing, except I think it has taken even bigger leaps and bounds out of the Final Fantasy "comfort zone" than Final Fantasy VII and VIII did.

chaosmakerX

Honestly the gameplay isn't that altered. They left the ATB system in place that FF gamers have been playing since IUV on the SNES, but they stuck it all in real time and made it more fluent. Then they added gambits. Other than that with the story being mor e political and less character driven, there weren't any big changes. Chocobos? check. Moogles? check. Fantasy setting? check. Cid? check. Other cid? Check.Exploration like the first 9 games had? Check+1 (iot is the largest and most explorable world yet). Classic FF enemies and skills? Check. Crystals? Check. IT has every single thing that it need to be to be a Final Fantasy and, in many ways, is very much what FF fans were expecting.

I believe FFVIII was the biggest depatrure from FF.

? Why would FFVIII be a departure? Me personally, its not that I didn't like it cuz it was a departure...... I just wasn't fun, I just didn't feel the magic while playing (by magic I mean that funfeeling in FF games that drags you in to stay up all night and play it:D)

[QUOTE="chaosmakerX"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think that the people who dislike Final Fantasy XII dislike it mostly because of the huge departure it is from the rest of the series. See a lot of people didn't like the fact that FFXI was going to be an MMO but in the end I don't think anyone really cared because they knew that FFXII would be a "normal" Final Fantasy game again. The problem is that FFXII pretty much followed in the footsteps of FFXI, as in it feels kind of like a singleplayer MMO, rather than the typical Final Fantasy game. (Gameplay wise speaking of course, not the story).

I don't have anything against Final Fantasy XII myself, but it is quite different from the rest and I'd personally like to see the franchise return to it's roots somewhat battle-system wise, I'm not a big fan of real time battle role playing games.

It's kind of like what Final Fantasy VII did, it was such a huge departure that at first it was almost unrecognizable, and Final Fantasy XII has done the same thing, except I think it has taken even bigger leaps and bounds out of the Final Fantasy "comfort zone" than Final Fantasy VII and VIII did.

fs_metal

Honestly the gameplay isn't that altered. They left the ATB system in place that FF gamers have been playing since IUV on the SNES, but they stuck it all in real time and made it more fluent. Then they added gambits. Other than that with the story being mor e political and less character driven, there weren't any big changes. Chocobos? check. Moogles? check. Fantasy setting? check. Cid? check. Other cid? Check.Exploration like the first 9 games had? Check+1 (iot is the largest and most explorable world yet). Classic FF enemies and skills? Check. Crystals? Check. IT has every single thing that it need to be to be a Final Fantasy and, in many ways, is very much what FF fans were expecting.

I believe FFVIII was the biggest depatrure from FF.

? Why would FFVIII be a departure? Me personally, its not that I didn't like it cuz it was a departure...... I just wasn't fun, I just didn't feel the magic while playing (by magic I mean that funfeeling in FF games that drags you in to stay up all night and play it:D)

Indeed. As for ff xii it is the more political story and the gambits gave it a more hands off field. I also didnt like the lisense board thing.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="chaosmakerX"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think that the people who dislike Final Fantasy XII dislike it mostly because of the huge departure it is from the rest of the series. See a lot of people didn't like the fact that FFXI was going to be an MMO but in the end I don't think anyone really cared because they knew that FFXII would be a "normal" Final Fantasy game again. The problem is that FFXII pretty much followed in the footsteps of FFXI, as in it feels kind of like a singleplayer MMO, rather than the typical Final Fantasy game. (Gameplay wise speaking of course, not the story).

I don't have anything against Final Fantasy XII myself, but it is quite different from the rest and I'd personally like to see the franchise return to it's roots somewhat battle-system wise, I'm not a big fan of real time battle role playing games.

It's kind of like what Final Fantasy VII did, it was such a huge departure that at first it was almost unrecognizable, and Final Fantasy XII has done the same thing, except I think it has taken even bigger leaps and bounds out of the Final Fantasy "comfort zone" than Final Fantasy VII and VIII did.

UntouchableHyer

Honestly the gameplay isn't that altered. They left the ATB system in place that FF gamers have been playing since IUV on the SNES, but they stuck it all in real time and made it more fluent. Then they added gambits. Other than that with the story being mor e political and less character driven, there weren't any big changes. Chocobos? check. Moogles? check. Fantasy setting? check. Cid? check. Other cid? Check.Exploration like the first 9 games had? Check+1 (iot is the largest and most explorable world yet). Classic FF enemies and skills? Check. Crystals? Check. IT has every single thing that it need to be to be a Final Fantasy and, in many ways, is very much what FF fans were expecting.

I believe FFVIII was the biggest depatrure from FF.

? Why would FFVIII be a departure? Me personally, its not that I didn't like it cuz it was a departure...... I just wasn't fun, I just didn't feel the magic while playing (by magic I mean that funfeeling in FF games that drags you in to stay up all night and play it:D)

Indeed. As for ff xii it is the more political story and the gambits gave it a more hands off field. I also didnt like the lisense board thing.

FFVIII was a little different, but still had many aspects of FF. Cid-check, usual FF enemies-check, airships-check,usual FF summons-check, chocobos-check, multiple side quests and the weapons as optional bosses-check. One thing that made it really different was that VIII was the game to begin calling spells whatever-aga, and yers, it had plenty of sci-fi elements.

anyways...

FFVII

FFVI

Golden Sun 1 & 2

Tales of Symphonia and Tales of the Abyss

Chrono Trigger

Super Mario RPG:Legend of the seven stars

and the Wild Arms series

It's more than 10, but oh well, I don't care. :)

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

KnightsofRound

The gambits added alot of gameplay via strategy of setting them up. They did take away alot of hte tedium of gameplay though by making it so you don;t have to heal every frickin 30 seconds and cure status ailments, thank GOD.

1.FF VII

2.FF XII

3.FF IX

4.FF X

5.OBLIVION

6.GRANDIA

7.FF VI

8.VAGRANT STORY

9.CHRONO TRIGGER

10.DISGAEA:HOUR OF DARKNESS

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

KnightsofRound

[QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

ThreeVo

[QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

fs_metal

The gambits added alot of gameplay via strategy of setting them up. They did take away alot of hte tedium of gameplay though by making it so you don;t have to heal every frickin 30 seconds and cure status ailments, thank GOD.

That IS true, but then again having to heal and cure status ailments was a part of what made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy, and it added a sense of urgency to the battles. Sure the gambits make possibly annoying tasks easier to manage, but they take some of the interactivity out of the battle system IMO.

When I played FFXII I would set up two of my other characters with enough gambits that they could manage themselves, but I would usually control 1 character for the most part 100%.

Apart from XII being a departure from the rest of them(except maybe XI) it was a pretty good game overall. Had everything a good RPG needs:

good graphics- quite necessary unless you're playing a classic game like Dragon Warrior 3 or digimon world which didn't need flashy graphics but still played well-what i'm getting at is that i can't play a game with horrible graphics it leaves a proverbial bad taste in my mouth

good gameplay-self explanatory

good storyline-a must-Suikoden 4 was sub-par in gameplay mechanics but still kept me going with the intriguing storyline

good characters-cloud and vaan great characters, imagine if cait sith was the protagonist of VII? would you have played it?

good sound-again, self explanatory- i don't think that the boss battle against safer sephiroth would have been as great without the music that accompanied it.

i guess thats it if anyone has anything to add feel free to add it

and my favorite RPGs are: Star Ocean TTEOT-i'm happy someone finally mentioned it, Jade cocoon 2-if you haven't played it yet shame on you, valkyrie profile, kotor 2, dragon warrior 3 and DW monsters 2-i still need to get to playing VIII, i have it but i havent touched it yet, digimon world 1, 3, DS, and Dusk, fire emblem US and SS, and tsugunai:atonement- the game was garbage but i hung on for the story. there's plenty more so just check my game collection on my profile

i almost forgot

good female characters-yuffie, ashe, rydia, rinoa, terra, jeane(suikoden) lenneth anyone? you guys are with me here right?

randy out....

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

KnightsofRound

The gambits added alot of gameplay via strategy of setting them up. They did take away alot of hte tedium of gameplay though by making it so you don;t have to heal every frickin 30 seconds and cure status ailments, thank GOD.

That IS true, but then again having to heal and cure status ailments was a part of what made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy, and it added a sense of urgency to the battles. Sure the gambits make possibly annoying tasks easier to manage, but they take some of the interactivity out of the battle system IMO.

When I played FFXII I would set up two of my other characters with enough gambits that they could manage themselves, but I would usually control 1 character for the most part 100%.

Apart from XII being a departure from the rest of them(except maybe XI) it was a pretty good game overall. Had everything a good RPG needs:

good graphics- quite necessary unless you're playing a classic game like Dragon Warrior 3 or digimon world which didn't need flashy graphics but still played well-what i'm getting at is that i can't play a game with horrible graphics it leaves a proverbial bad taste in my mouth

good gameplay-self explanatory

good storyline-a must-Suikoden 4 was sub-par in gameplay mechanics but still kept me going with the intriguing storyline

good characters-cloud and vaan great characters, imagine if cait sith was the protagonist of VII? would you have played it?

good sound-again, self explanatory- i don't think that the boss battle against safer sephiroth would have been as great without the music that accompanied it.

i guess thats it if anyone has anything to add feel free to add it

and my favorite RPGs are: Star Ocean TTEOT-i'm happy someone finally mentioned it, Jade cocoon 2-if you haven't played it yet shame on you, valkyrie profile, kotor 2, dragon warrior 3 and DW monsters 2-i still need to get to playing VIII, i have it but i havent touched it yet, digimon world 1, 3, DS, and Dusk, fire emblem US and SS, and tsugunai:atonement- the game was garbage but i hung on for the story. there's plenty more so just check my game collection on my profile

i almost forgot

good female characters-yuffie, ashe, rydia, rinoa, terra, jeane(suikoden) lenneth anyone? you guys are with me here right?

randy out....

TriEdgeFury26

Ic. I hated Star Ocean. You played 5 minutes of gameplay to watch an hour and a half of cut scenes that could have given you all the info that you need to know in 15 minutes, and it all led to one truly aweful plot twist that essentially neglected everything htat came before it.

[QUOTE="KnightsofRound"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

fs_metal

The gambits added alot of gameplay via strategy of setting them up. They did take away alot of hte tedium of gameplay though by making it so you don;t have to heal every frickin 30 seconds and cure status ailments, thank GOD.

That IS true, but then again having to heal and cure status ailments was a part of what made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy, and it added a sense of urgency to the battles. Sure the gambits make possibly annoying tasks easier to manage, but they take some of the interactivity out of the battle system IMO.

When I played FFXII I would set up two of my other characters with enough gambits that they could manage themselves, but I would usually control 1 character for the most part 100%.

Better than having to work with the annoying gambits and licence system.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

chaosmakerX

The gambits added alot of gameplay via strategy of setting them up. They did take away alot of hte tedium of gameplay though by making it so you don;t have to heal every frickin 30 seconds and cure status ailments, thank GOD.

That IS true, but then again having to heal and cure status ailments was a part of what made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy, and it added a sense of urgency to the battles. Sure the gambits make possibly annoying tasks easier to manage, but they take some of the interactivity out of the battle system IMO.

When I played FFXII I would set up two of my other characters with enough gambits that they could manage themselves, but I would usually control 1 character for the most part 100%.

Better than having to work with the annoying gambits and licence system.

[QUOTE="chaosmakerX"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

fs_metal

The gambits added alot of gameplay via strategy of setting them up. They did take away alot of hte tedium of gameplay though by making it so you don;t have to heal every frickin 30 seconds and cure status ailments, thank GOD.

That IS true, but then again having to heal and cure status ailments was a part of what made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy, and it added a sense of urgency to the battles. Sure the gambits make possibly annoying tasks easier to manage, but they take some of the interactivity out of the battle system IMO.

When I played FFXII I would set up two of my other characters with enough gambits that they could manage themselves, but I would usually control 1 character for the most part 100%.

Better than having to work with the annoying gambits and licence system.

I think it is tedius. And the end result of setting them is getting to watch the fight(hands off).

[QUOTE="chaosmakerX"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

fs_metal

The gambits added alot of gameplay via strategy of setting them up. They did take away alot of hte tedium of gameplay though by making it so you don;t have to heal every frickin 30 seconds and cure status ailments, thank GOD.

That IS true, but then again having to heal and cure status ailments was a part of what made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy, and it added a sense of urgency to the battles. Sure the gambits make possibly annoying tasks easier to manage, but they take some of the interactivity out of the battle system IMO.

When I played FFXII I would set up two of my other characters with enough gambits that they could manage themselves, but I would usually control 1 character for the most part 100%.

Better than having to work with the annoying gambits and licence system.

We all have different opinions on the matter. Saying that gambits or using status healing items is more tedius than the other is just an opinion and none of it is fact.

Some people like the old system better, some people like the new one, but everyone is going to think something differently so trying to prove each other wrong is futile.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="chaosmakerX"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="KnightsofRound"]

I think the politic-driven storyline is probably a huge factor in why some people don't like FFXII though. I think a lot of people felt somewhat they like had no attachment to the characters. I can't really say this with a lot of concrete evidence since I only got like 15 hours in the storyline (I just rented it when it came out and haven't picked it up yet) but the only character I really cared about at all was Balthier, the rest of them were pretty forgettable at that point for me, but then again I haven't finished the game so I can't really say how my mind would have changed about the characters at the end.

Also one other thing that I think people dislike is the gambits. I didn't hate them but they do kind of take a lot out of the gameplay, if you have enough gambits the game can basically play itself and you just move the character around. But the fact that they are optional is a good thing though.

I don't dislike XII, but it's definitely not very high on my list of preferred Final Fantasy games, but its still a solid entry.

KnightsofRound

The gambits added alot of gameplay via strategy of setting them up. They did take away alot of hte tedium of gameplay though by making it so you don;t have to heal every frickin 30 seconds and cure status ailments, thank GOD.

That IS true, but then again having to heal and cure status ailments was a part of what made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy, and it added a sense of urgency to the battles. Sure the gambits make possibly annoying tasks easier to manage, but they take some of the interactivity out of the battle system IMO.

When I played FFXII I would set up two of my other characters with enough gambits that they could manage themselves, but I would usually control 1 character for the most part 100%.

Better than having to work with the annoying gambits and licence system.

We all have different opinions on the matter. Saying that gambits or using status healing items is more tedius than the other is just an opinion and none of it is fact.

Some people like the old system better, some people like the new one, but everyone is going to think something differently so trying to prove each other wrong is futile.

jeez this board is like one of those "philosophical" conferences to argue whether the da vinci code book and movie were sacrelgious or not.

if they stay with the current battle format they may get new fans and may lose older ones. i myself would prefer a mix between the free roaming style of XII and the classic style of VII. but thats just me.