A question for PS2 fans, what did you actually dislike/hate about it?

For me, since I was still mostly playing Nintendo consoles, I hated the fact that it still used only TWO controller ports. I understand for PlayStation One as the past systems who had four controller slots LONG BEFORE N64 (the 1983 revision of Atari 5200, before that there was Bally Astrocade*) didn't have it catch on until the N64 released (thanks to games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mario Kart, Diddy Kong Racing, Super Smash Bros., etc), but for PS2 sticking to multitaps? From a console that is supposed to succeed the PS1 (though it did in most ways that are NOT local multiplayer features)?

And with the amount of revisions, it makes me recite this AVGN quote (when talking about the 3DO):

"You'd think if they made so many versions of the same game system, they'd eventually add another controller port." (In PS2's sake, two more)

*EDITED to fix information

what do I dislike about PS2 is that I was placed in confinement because I was caught angry while carrying this around.

so I decided to leave it to deteriroate

I dislike how arrogant Sony was acting during the PS2 era. Of course, that arrogance bit them in the PS3 era.

I dislike how arrogant Sony was acting during the PS2 era. Of course, that arrogance bit them in the PS3 era.

RossRichard

Disc read errors, DVD wrecking the lazer, and what it did to Final Fantasy and Jrpgs in general.

I wasn't crazy about how on the slim PS2 a DVD had to be in damn near perfect condition not to skip or play at all. The fat PS2 was alot let less finnicky.

Other than that the only thing that bothered me was no KOTOR or Jade Empire.

Well, I kind of disliked the cords that came with it, but I hate the PS2 slim revision.

2 controller ports, hardware failures, multiplats not being as good, and the controller was not as comfortable as the Xbox controllers and GC controllers.

No point having 4 controller ports when you can successfully charge people money for a multi-tap. I don't have one. ;)

The only thing i can really criticise the console for is that they wear out. But i guess if they were built with better quality components then they would have cost twice what they did.

Also the slim version looks like a games console whereas the original fatty looked like a multimedia device; it was a good design and it still looks modern today.

I'm also disappointed that you couldn't save games to a flash-stick in one of the USB ports. Nor could you transfer saves between memory cards and flash-sticks through the basic console interface (you needed an Action Replay or similar disc to do it). Come to think of it, the memory cards idea should've been dropped in favour of USB flash support (though this would have affected the console's backwards compatability). I'm not concerned that the PS2 didn't have a hard drive, hard drive's are more likely to fail than memory sticks.

I hated the lack of 2 extra controller ports and of course the dreaded Disc Read Error (thankfully that only happened to me once).

Nothing. The PS2 is a practically flawless console.

If I had to say something, I guess I don't like how some games take up a lot of space on my memory card.

I dislike how arrogant Sony was acting during the PS2 era. Of course, that arrogance bit them in the PS3 era.

RossRichard

Seeing as how the PS2 is the greatest console of all time, most of their bragging was justified. I don't blame them.

Probably my biggest gripe is the 4 controller ports...that and maybe some shovelware...but other than that I love system :P

Nothing. The PS2 is a practically flawless console.

If I had to say something, I guess I don't like how some games take up a lot of space on my memory card.

GeoffZak

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

Nothing. The PS2 is a practically flawless console.

If I had to say something, I guess I don't like how some games take up a lot of space on my memory card.

nintendoboy16

Exactly.

I couldn't think of anything negative.

I'm also disappointed that you couldn't save games to a flash-stick in one of the USB ports. Nor could you transfer saves between memory cards and flash-sticks through the basic console interface (you needed an Action Replay or similar disc to do it). Come to think of it, the memory cards idea should've been dropped in favour of USB flash support (though this would have affected the console's backwards compatability). I'm not concerned that the PS2 didn't have a hard drive, hard drive's are more likely to fail than memory sticks.

 

BarbaricAvatar

[QUOTE="BarbaricAvatar"]I'm also disappointed that you couldn't save games to a flash-stick in one of the USB ports. Nor could you transfer saves between memory cards and flash-sticks through the basic console interface (you needed an Action Replay or similar disc to do it). Come to think of it, the memory cards idea should've been dropped in favour of USB flash support (though this would have affected the console's backwards compatability). I'm not concerned that the PS2 didn't have a hard drive, hard drive's are more likely to fail than memory sticks.

 

Dudersaper

I got around that issue to some extent by buying a third-party 64mb memory card. While you can't save directly to it from the game (because it's not Magicgate certified), you can transfer files from other mem cards to it from the basic PS2 browser.

But yes, still would've been simpler to just be able to use flash drives.

heres what irritated me about ps2

1- when everyone else had 4 controller ports in the gc n64 era ps had only 2 

2- the original ps  1  blew fuses alot on me 

3 -the phat ps2 was defective a heck of a lot over a period of 2 yrs

4 memory cards ran out of space quickly ! 

For me, since I was still mostly playing Nintendo consoles, I hated the fact that it still used only TWO controller ports. I understand for PlayStation One as the past systems who had four controller slots LONG BEFORE N64 (the 1983 revision of Atari 5200, before that I remember some computer system having it, forgot the name though) didn't have it catch on until the N64 released (thanks to games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mario Kart, Diddy Kong Racing, Super Smash Bros., etc), but for PS2 sticking to multitaps? From a console that is supposed to succeed the PS1 (though it did in most ways that are NOT local multiplayer features)?

And with the amount of revisions, it makes me recite this AVGN quote (when talking about the 3DO):

"You'd think if they made so many versions of the same game system, they'd eventually add another controller port." (In PS2's sake, two more)

nintendoboy16

There are quite a few four controller port systems before the N64.

Also, the console itself hardware wise was carp, it was easily broken, has too many discontinued versions with tons of problems breaking the system down and DRE, and the newere ones still have DRE issues and random slow down, and sometimes DVDs go at 5 FPS. The Emotion engine that is supposed to be some sort of good thing does nothing for games at all, and the hardware is optimized to allow as many jaggies on the screen as possible for tons of games to the point where the Dreamcast can't out jag it. The slim has problems running some older PS2 and a few PSX games for no real reason and seems to break down with problems less often other than DRE which apparently most slims seem to have a problem with according to multiple online sources. It had a decent online but quality dropped while playing online with some of the games, the DS2 added pressure sensitive buttons, 

Also the 3DO technically did have more than one controller port technically.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

For me, since I was still mostly playing Nintendo consoles, I hated the fact that it still used only TWO controller ports. I understand for PlayStation One as the past systems who had four controller slots LONG BEFORE N64 (the 1983 revision of Atari 5200, before that I remember some computer system having it, forgot the name though) didn't have it catch on until the N64 released (thanks to games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mario Kart, Diddy Kong Racing, Super Smash Bros., etc), but for PS2 sticking to multitaps? From a console that is supposed to succeed the PS1 (though it did in most ways that are NOT local multiplayer features)?

And with the amount of revisions, it makes me recite this AVGN quote (when talking about the 3DO):

"You'd think if they made so many versions of the same game system, they'd eventually add another controller port." (In PS2's sake, two more)

Admiral-lemnant

There are quite a few four controller port systems before the N64.

Also, the console itself hardware wise was carp, it was easily broken, has too many discontinued versions with tons of problems breaking the system down and DRE, and the newere ones still have DRE issues and random slow down, and sometimes DVDs go at 5 FPS. The Emotion engine that is supposed to be some sort of good thing does nothing for games at all, and the hardware is optimized to allow as many jaggies on the screen as possible for tons of games to the point where the Dreamcast can't out jag it. The slim has problems running some older PS2 and a few PSX games for no real reason and seems to break down with problems less often other than DRE which apparently most slims seem to have a problem with according to multiple online sources. It had a decent online but quality dropped while playing online with some of the games, the DS2 added pressure sensitive buttons,

Also the 3DO technically did have more than one controller port technically.

2. Not in the 3DO system itself (second controller port in the FIRST player's controller? The hell?)

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

Nothing. The PS2 is a practically flawless console.

If I had to say something, I guess I don't like how some games take up a lot of space on my memory card.

GeoffZak

Exactly.

I couldn't think of anything negative.

The fragility of the system, the imagine quality was inferior to the Dreamcast (ridiculous aliasing), despite it being a more powerful system. 

For whatever reason, PS2 is the console of that generation that I find myself least attracted to it and will almost always buy multiplats for pretty much any other system if available. Things I don't like about it:

1. Small controllers. PS2 controllers are for genetic mutants w/ teeny, weeny hands and, say what you will about me, at least my hands are w/in standard of deviation of a normal person's hand size.

2. Black and ugly. Not as ugly as Xbox but just as black.

3. Two controller ports, not four. The two controller port barrier was broken in a big way by N64. Given PS2 is another generation ahead, it should have had like fifteen controller ports and a slot to heat meals in.

4. Memory cards. Proprietary memory formats are the work of the devil. Someone at Sony is going to burn for this.

5. Works as a DVD player. VHS forever! It doesn't matter if a VHS tape gets scratched and when they fail, they fail spectacularly.

Basically, I would like PS2 if it had controllers the size of dinner plates and used VHS as its media. That would be a video game system I could show my friends. As it stands now, I have to keep my PS2 hidden under a throw blanket and play only in shame under the cover of night.

. Memory cards. Proprietary memory formats are the work of the devil. Someone at Sony is going to burn for this.logicalfrank

[QUOTE="logicalfrank"]. Memory cards. Proprietary memory formats are the work of the devil. Someone at Sony is going to burn for this.Heirren

Yeah but it would be a heck of a lot better if you could put a regular thumb drive in the USB port rather than have to buy special cards that only work w/ PS2. It is the proprietary format rather than the idea of memory cards that I am against. Admittedly, there is a certain simplicity a proprietary format provides but the added cost and limited usefulness of the cards is a worse problem than that is an advantage.

Basically, I would like PS2 if it had controllers the size of dinner plates and used VHS as its media.

logicalfrank

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="logicalfrank"]. Memory cards. Proprietary memory formats are the work of the devil. Someone at Sony is going to burn for this.logicalfrank

Yeah but it would be a heck of a lot better if you could put a regular thumb drive in the USB port rather than have to buy special cards that only work w/ PS2. It is the proprietary format rather than the idea of memory cards that I am against. Admittedly, there is a certain simplicity a proprietary format provides but the added cost and limited usefulness of the cards is a worse problem than that is an advantage.

The image quality is not muddy in general or inferior to the Dreamcast. A PS2 game with enough effort and developing skills looks very sharp.

[QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]That's with any console really.

Kaszilla

Exactly.

I couldn't think of anything negative.

What I hated? Nothing.

The output image was rather muddy a lot of the times. Extreme aliasing. Two controller ports. The console felt more like a beefed up, rehashed psx IMO.Heirren

It was more the "true" successor to the N64, tech-wise, imo. (MIPS R5900 >> MIPS R4300, 32 MB RD-RAM >> 4 MB (8 MB with Exp. Pak) RD-RAM, VU0 & VU1 vector co-processors >> RCP vector co-processor, ect.)

[QUOTE="Heirren"]The output image was rather muddy a lot of the times. Extreme aliasing. Two controller ports. The console felt more like a beefed up, rehashed psx IMO.nameless12345

It was more the "true" successor to the N64, tech-wise, imo. (MIPS R5900 >> MIPS R4300, 32 MB RD-RAM >> 4 MB (8 MB with Exp. Pak) RD-RAM, VU0 & VU1 vector co-processors >> RCP vector co-processor, ect.)

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]The output image was rather muddy a lot of the times. Extreme aliasing. Two controller ports. The console felt more like a beefed up, rehashed psx IMO.Heirren

It was more the "true" successor to the N64, tech-wise, imo. (MIPS R5900 >> MIPS R4300, 32 MB RD-RAM >> 4 MB (8 MB with Exp. Pak) RD-RAM, VU0 & VU1 vector co-processors >> RCP vector co-processor, ect.)

I'm talking about the hardware of the system.

Architecturally, N64 and PS2 have more in common than N64 and GC do. (or PS1 and PS2; altho they kept the CPU-focus from PS1 + GPU; Sony was actually pioneering the "APU" designs of today)

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

It was more the "true" successor to the N64, tech-wise, imo. (MIPS R5900 >> MIPS R4300, 32 MB RD-RAM >> 4 MB (8 MB with Exp. Pak) RD-RAM, VU0 & VU1 vector co-processors >> RCP vector co-processor, ect.)

nameless12345

I'm talking about the hardware of the system.

Architectually, N64 and PS2 have more in common than N64 and GC do.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] What are you talking about? Ps2 library is just a buttered up psx library, for the most part.Heirren

I'm talking about the hardware of the system.

Architectually, N64 and PS2 have more in common than N64 and GC do.

You said "beefed-up" PS1 so I thought you ment that they just took PS1's guts and "beefed them up".

Which is incorrect.

What i really loved about the ps2 was the sheer volume of games available for it, im a big racing fan and the sheer number of driving titles available for the ps2 was unmatched on either of the other 2 systems.

I didnt particularly like having to buy seperate 8mb memory cards for it, the xb had a hdd built in for this and many other functions and after using the original XB sonys setup with old style memory cards was very outdated in comparison.

Disc read errors.

I must have tried dozens of different cleaning methods to get discs to work.

The PS2 had loads of flaws...

• Lack of hardware anti-aliasing (compared to Dreamcast and even N64)
• Lack of texture compression (compared to Dreamcast)
• Lack of online service or built-in online support (compared to Dreamcast)
• Only two control ports (compared to Dreamcast and N64)
• Disc read errors (much like PS1)
• Occasional slow loading (though an improvement on PS1)
• Laggy DVD playback (compared to Xbox)
• Expensive at launch
• The console design itself looked lame

...And yet despite all of that, the PS2 is still one of the greatest consoles of all time, for one reason: its amazing video game library.