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I just think that there are going to be a lot of growing pains with this next generation. People complain about systems not having backward compatibility or having to pay for BC in the form of web based gaming, but people have been repaying for BC since PS2. When companies put hardware chips inside new systems to allow BC, then that costs gets passed on to the consumer. PS2 and PS3 could probably have launched at cheaper price points if BC had not been added. I do not see the complaints about paying for something such as Gaikai when people are willing to pay for BC in the form of hardware.Â
Tbere will be a lot of overlap with current gen consoles in the beginning. Games are more expesive than ever, and developers need to put their games on every platform possible. We saw this behavior at the beginning of the 360's life cycle and in the early nineties. The 360 launched with games like G.U.N. Tony Hawks's American Wasteland, and Need For Speed Most Wanted. Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires and Hitman Blood Money came to the system a little later on.Â
The early nineties also had cross generation games like Wario's Woods, Battletoads and Double Dragon, Ninja Turtle Tounament Fighters, the original Battletoads, Battletoads in Battlemaniacs, Bart vs the Space Mutants, Batman Return of the Joker, Snake Rattle and Roll, Yoshi's Cookie, and so on. There were also quite a few games that were indirect ports due to hardware limitations such as Double Dragon and Strider.
The game Knack looks cool, and so does the new Infamous. I assume a new Ratchet and Clank will be made based on the information about a Ratchet movie being produced. Why would Sony put a movie in production and not a new title in the franchise. Level 5 and Quantum Dream are making new PS4 titles as well as Housemarque. Sony also has the new Killzone and its new IP Drive Club coming out. I would also say that Team Ico's next game has been moved to PS4.  Â
Nintendo also has Pikimin 3, Wario Game and Watch, Bayonetta 2, Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Monolith's new game, Sonic Lost World, Mario 3D Adventure, and Yoshi Land coming to Wii U.Â
Battlefiled 4 will probably run a lot better on next generation systems than on the current ones. They probably will have 60 player matches instead of being scaled back to 24 like in Battlefield 3.Â
In other words, first party developers have moved onto the next generation. It is mostly third party developers that want to put games out on current generation systems. Do not forget that both Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica probably have next generation titles in the works. The team that did God of War Ascension was different than the one that built God of War 3. The same goes for Uncharted 3 and The Last of Us. Â
I never 'dive-in' when dealing with new gaming generations. Â It always seems like some of the generation's best games (and most valuable) come at the end of its existence. Â I always wait at least a year to get a new console after launch. Â I just think it is smart to do that. Â
I will eventually join the next-generation of gaming, but it won't be right away. I have plenty of games in my backlog to play, and that is not a bad thing!
Nah. The Wii U looks like it's gonna be a great system, and Sony just confirmed that the PS4 will be DRM free and allow the use of used games.
So that means I MOST DEFINETLY will not be getting a XBox One next-gen. I'll likely pick-up a Wii U, since I enjoy Nintendo's exclusives more than Sony's and since it sounds a lot of gamers are gonna pass on XBox One, I'd be willing to be a lot more third-party developers will support Wii U over XBox One.
But since I'm not buying any next-gen systems out of the gate (too expensive), the one luxury I do have over early adopters is that I can see how things pan-out before I buy one.
So you aren't buying an Xboxone based on unconfirmed rumors... Anyway, I agree with your pan out approach, I usually wait 6 months to a year so i can still get in the loop.Nah. The Wii U looks like it's gonna be a great system, and Sony just confirmed that the PS4 will be DRM free and allow the use of used games.
So that means I MOST DEFINETLY will not be getting a XBox One next-gen. I'll likely pick-up a Wii U, since I enjoy Nintendo's exclusives more than Sony's and since it sounds a lot of gamers are gonna pass on XBox One, I'd be willing to be a lot more third-party developers will support Wii U over XBox One.
But since I'm not buying any next-gen systems out of the gate (too expensive), the one luxury I do have over early adopters is that I can see how things pan-out before I buy one.
Emerald_Warrior
[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]So you aren't buying an Xboxone based on unconfirmed rumors... Anyway, I agree with your pan out approach, I usually wait 6 months to a year so i can still get in the loop.Nah. The Wii U looks like it's gonna be a great system, and Sony just confirmed that the PS4 will be DRM free and allow the use of used games.
So that means I MOST DEFINETLY will not be getting a XBox One next-gen. I'll likely pick-up a Wii U, since I enjoy Nintendo's exclusives more than Sony's and since it sounds a lot of gamers are gonna pass on XBox One, I'd be willing to be a lot more third-party developers will support Wii U over XBox One.
But since I'm not buying any next-gen systems out of the gate (too expensive), the one luxury I do have over early adopters is that I can see how things pan-out before I buy one.
TigerSuperman
It's not unconfirmed, Microsoft is requiring to pay a fee to activate used games. They're also requiring an always on connection to the internet, and there's no backwards compatibility. That's 3 strikes for me, the biggest being the used game BS.
The Xbox 360 will be the last console I purchase. With DLC the norm, FPS's and rehashes taking over, and the way prices are going up on everything. I have lost faith in the future of gaming. I'm sure there will will be great games across the board next generation; however, there are many I missed from my yester years. So yes, I will be strictly legacy from here on out unless things get interesting in the next few years.
Currently I'm building my Dreamcast collection. Surprisingly older games have went upwards in pricing since my last glancing.
I was reading a post somewhere, in which someone posed the question if there will be a funcoland type store in the future. Besides flea markets and the like, a funcoland-ish store would be great, as few carry vintage games. I still have my old Funcoland catalogs, you could buy ANYTHING. Gamestop doesn't hold a candle to Funcoland.
So you aren't buying an Xboxone based on unconfirmed rumors... Anyway, I agree with your pan out approach, I usually wait 6 months to a year so i can still get in the loop.[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]
Nah. The Wii U looks like it's gonna be a great system, and Sony just confirmed that the PS4 will be DRM free and allow the use of used games.
So that means I MOST DEFINETLY will not be getting a XBox One next-gen. I'll likely pick-up a Wii U, since I enjoy Nintendo's exclusives more than Sony's and since it sounds a lot of gamers are gonna pass on XBox One, I'd be willing to be a lot more third-party developers will support Wii U over XBox One.
But since I'm not buying any next-gen systems out of the gate (too expensive), the one luxury I do have over early adopters is that I can see how things pan-out before I buy one.
Emerald_Warrior
It's not unconfirmed, Microsoft is requiring to pay a fee to activate used games. They're also requiring an always on connection to the internet, and there's no backwards compatibility. That's 3 strikes for me, the biggest being the used game BS.
And if you are wrong?[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"][QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] So you aren't buying an Xboxone based on unconfirmed rumors... Anyway, I agree with your pan out approach, I usually wait 6 months to a year so i can still get in the loop.TigerSuperman
It's not unconfirmed, Microsoft is requiring to pay a fee to activate used games. They're also requiring an always on connection to the internet, and there's no backwards compatibility. That's 3 strikes for me, the biggest being the used game BS.
And if you are wrong?I don't think you understand, it's not a question of "if" anymore, it's happening. It's a done deal.
And if you are wrong?[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]
It's not unconfirmed, Microsoft is requiring to pay a fee to activate used games. They're also requiring an always on connection to the internet, and there's no backwards compatibility. That's 3 strikes for me, the biggest being the used game BS.
Emerald_Warrior
I don't think you understand, it's not a question of "if" anymore, it's happening. It's a done deal.
You seem pretty sure. I'll let it go though, I am tired of having these talks with people I'll just wait till E3 to clear everything up,While I plan on getting PS4 um going to start investing in PS2, and also may pick up a gamecube and dreamcast. I already was collecting xbox but the failure rate was so bad it was a money sink keeping one working.mattykovaxAre you talking 360 or Xbox one? Because Xbox One is built like a tank and weighs like one too.
So far I'm not interested in the PS4 and Xbox One. With the stupid things that Microsoft is doing to the XB One like the used gaming fee and online always garbage, I will not buy it for sure. And as for the PS4 I still don't trust Sony at all since they are also against used gaming. I know they are not treating the PS4 like how Microsoft is to the XB One but they said that the publishers can block used games if they want. If the Wii U starts having some good games then maybe I will buy it because the Wii U at least lets you own the game that you buy.
So far I haven't been playing my PS3 at all. I have been playing SNES, Genesis, and DS games right now. If they Wii U doesn't get any good games any time soon then I might have to play on older consoles. Don't care since there are lots of old awesome games that I haven't played yet.
[QUOTE="mattykovax"]While I plan on getting PS4 um going to start investing in PS2, and also may pick up a gamecube and dreamcast. I already was collecting xbox but the failure rate was so bad it was a money sink keeping one working.TigerSupermanAre you talking 360 or Xbox one? Because Xbox One is built like a tank and weighs like one too. The big black box. Its actually my favorite system of the sixth gen, but the hardware and disc read failures are atrocious. Plus MS abandoning all support you have to maintnence those yourself. Trust me I know how to do it all just got sick of it.
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="mattykovax"]While I plan on getting PS4 um going to start investing in PS2, and also may pick up a gamecube and dreamcast. I already was collecting xbox but the failure rate was so bad it was a money sink keeping one working.mattykovaxAre you talking 360 or Xbox one? Because Xbox One is built like a tank and weighs like one too. The big black box. Its actually my favorite system of the sixth gen, but the hardware and disc read failures are atrocious. Plus MS abandoning all support you have to maintnence those yourself. Trust me I know how to do it all just got sick of it. That machine is not know for failures very, try getting a new one first, they usually run cheap.
[QUOTE="mattykovax"][QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] Are you talking 360 or Xbox one? Because Xbox One is built like a tank and weighs like one too.TigerSupermanThe big black box. Its actually my favorite system of the sixth gen, but the hardware and disc read failures are atrocious. Plus MS abandoning all support you have to maintnence those yourself. Trust me I know how to do it all just got sick of it. That machine is not know for failures very, try getting a new one first, they usually run cheap.your info is wrong. They were worse for dre than the ps2.
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="mattykovax"] The big black box. Its actually my favorite system of the sixth gen, but the hardware and disc read failures are atrocious. Plus MS abandoning all support you have to maintnence those yourself. Trust me I know how to do it all just got sick of it.mattykovaxThat machine is not know for failures very, try getting a new one first, they usually run cheap.your info is wrong. They were worse for dre than the ps2. No it's not. But it doesn't matter. Wish you luck on your PS2 collection.
The only times i've ever been 'current gen' were for PS1 then PS2.
Apart from for a couple of tantilising sequels i've never really wanted a PS3, and i was completely turned off the idea when i discovered that games had to be installed. That's just not what consoles should be about to me.
I have been keeping up to speed on the developments regarding PS4 and XB1, and now more than ever both consoles are multimedia PC's in snazzy boxes (Even extending to PC-sourced processors). This totally defeats the whole point of consoles, what happened to; buy a game, go home, play it?
P!ssing about with patches, installs, drive-space and hardware upgrades is all to be expected when gaming on PC's, it's fine, it's allowed. Consoles should be about "Let's have a game" and then doing so.
Microsoft and Sony both lost their ways with X360 and PS3, but rather than take a step back and see the folly of their decisions they've now decided to set up camp in idiot-town and continue further down the path of stupid. And make you pay extra for them doing so.
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I'll probably wind up with a PS4, but as of right now I have no interest in the new Xbox, and Nintendo is going to have to have an amazing showing this summer to get people to buy the Wii U. Â
[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="mattykovax"] The big black box. Its actually my favorite system of the sixth gen, but the hardware and disc read failures are atrocious. Plus MS abandoning all support you have to maintnence those yourself. Trust me I know how to do it all just got sick of it.mattykovaxThat machine is not know for failures very, try getting a new one first, they usually run cheap.your info is wrong. They were worse for dre than the ps2.
The original 2001 XBox is a solid machine. It's built like a tank. It's the 360 that had the huge failure rate, the original white models of the 360.
And especially vs. the PS2 it was more solid. I'm on my 3rd PS2, yet I still have the same original XBox. 2 "fat" PS2s have died on me. However my Slimline model is still doing just fine. And I don't have kids to ruin it, and I take care of my consoles as I'm a collector as well as a gamer. Similar cases with a few of my friends, as well, with PS2s. Weak lasers on them.
Well, I do have plans to buy a WiiU. But not right now, maybe when the next Smash Bros. game comes out... That's if things pans out.
And the same for PS4, I would like to get it, but only when it get games that I really want, say like if ever Kingdom Hearts 3...
The only times i've ever been 'current gen' were for PS1 then PS2.
Apart from for a couple of tantilising sequels i've never really wanted a PS3, and i was completely turned off the idea when i discovered that games had to be installed. That's just not what consoles should be about to me.
I have been keeping up to speed on the developments regarding PS4 and XB1, and now more than ever both consoles are multimedia PC's in snazzy boxes (Even extending to PC-sourced processors). This totally defeats the whole point of consoles, what happened to; buy a game, go home, play it?
P!ssing about with patches, installs, drive-space and hardware upgrades is all to be expected when gaming on PC's, it's fine, it's allowed. Consoles should be about "Let's have a game" and then doing so.
Microsoft and Sony both lost their ways with X360 and PS3, but rather than take a step back and see the folly of their decisions they've now decided to set up camp in idiot-town and continue further down the path of stupid. And make you pay extra for them doing so.
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BarbaricAvatar
In other words, you think consoles should not be able to be uprgraded through its life cycle. If a particular game has problems, you would rather wait for the improvements in a sequel rather than the developer creating a patch to fix a problem. I do not really see your distinction between consoles and PC's. They both have always been similar to one another. Consoles are pretty much mass marketed behind the times computers that are made for the main purpose of fun. To actually wish that consoles and their could not be upgraded is just being dumb. Developers should be able to change things around after a title releases. Are some developers going to exploit DLC and updates? You bet they will. If developers can add significant value to a game without having to make a full blown sequel, then more power to them. Making a stand alone game with no way to update it after release is archaic in today's world. Â
In other words, you think consoles should not be able to be uprgraded through its life cycle. If a particular game has problems, you would rather wait for the improvements in a sequel rather than the developer creating a patch to fix a problem. gamenerd15
Not at all. Games used to be tested extensively prior to release, now they just skip that part. They get an unfinished game out onto store shelves and let the early buyers find the issues; without a care that these guinea pigs will have their enjoyment of the game affected.
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I do not really see your distinction between consoles and PC's. They both have always been similar to one another. Consoles are pretty much mass marketed behind the times computers that are made for the main purpose of fun. gamenerd15
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No they haven't. Consoles were about insert game - go play. Latest and next gen are not.
Making a stand alone game with no way to update it after release is archaic in today's world. gamenerd15
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So what? It's better.
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Not at all. Games used to be tested extensively prior to release, now they just skip that part. They get an unfinished game out onto store shelves and let the early buyers find the issues; without a care that these guinea pigs will have their enjoyment of the game affected.
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I do not really see your distinction between consoles and PC's. They both have always been similar to one another. Consoles are pretty much mass marketed behind the times computers that are made for the main purpose of fun. BarbaricAvatar
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No they haven't. Consoles were about insert game - go play. Latest and next gen are not.
Making a stand alone game with no way to update it after release is archaic in today's world. gamenerd15
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So what? It's better.
Last generation had plenty of games with problems. Ninja Gaiden had horrific camera issues, fighting games lacked online play. Prince of Persia Sands of time had glitch that could break the game at 71% of the way through. These games could have been better if developers could have provided patches for them. Granted, Team Ninja still cannot fix the camera in any of the Ninja Gaiden releases.Â
Sonic and Knuckles was an expansion of Sonic 3. How many different versions of the original Pokemon game were there again? Yellow, Green (Japan only), Blue, and Yellow. Fighting games also had several iterations back in the old days as well. I believe there were at least three different versions of Street Fighter 2 that hit both Sega and Nintendo systems. Each of those iterations were the cost of a full priced game. If you bought all the versions of Street Fighter 2 on either system, then it would run you about $200. Cartridge games cost about $70 per game. I remember when $40 used to be considered a budget price.
You are wrong about games not having bugs before the seventh generation of systems. Check out Sonic's Adventure on Dreamcast. That game is littered with bugs everywhere. you can fall right through solid objects. You are also forgetting that hardware itself had problems back in the old days too. The pins inside of NES systems eventually wore down making it harder to play the cartridges. Games would freeze up for no apparent reason. People would have to blow in their games and inside the console itself so that games would work the first time. The eject function on the SNES also had issues. Sometimes games would get stuck inside the system, making them harder to get out.Â
In today's world you have a lot more options of how you want to play games and where to buy them. In previous generations, you had to buy games at the store, and that was it. A game like Journey or Guacamelee would cost you full tilt back in previous generations instead of being a budget priced game. You could not go online and get games for cheap other than used copies on Ebay. Now you can pick up games for half price or so on Amazon a month after it comes out.Â
Then again, to each his own. If you want to always go to the store and pay $70 to $80 a game only for the greatest hits version to come out with bonus content at a budget price, then go ahead. The practices that are happening now have always been going on, but to a lesser exent.Â
More and more, it's looking like if I spend any money on gaming, it's going to be for older games & systems... I don't see much that's making me want one of the new consoles... And I hate the DRM, and other nonsense...
I'll definitely stick to legacy systems. Unless a small miracle happens and the rumoured "Sega Spectrum" really is a new console from Sega.
I rather spend the money a Japanese lessons and play all the interesting games which are not available in English.
More and more, it's looking like if I spend any money on gaming, it's going to be for older games & systems... I don't see much that's making me want one of the new consoles... And I hate the DRM, and other nonsense...
MonkeySpot
I'm pretty much in line with these peeps. I'm actually thinking of (repurchasing) a model one Genesis - and having it S-Video out put modded ala Mark Bussler. The more I dig into the Wii VC and games from gog.com, and keep playing my existing PSX/PS2 games, and the more I think back to all the NES, SMS, Genesis, GB, GBA and Dreamcast games I used to own, the more I don't care about what is on the horizon. Since the DS, I have had more interest in going away from uber tech and towards the previous gen. I mean, new and powerful is cool and all, and I get that videogames will get more expensisve and the hardware will get more advanced and blah blah blah. And there are always the one, two or - at most - three titles about three or four years into a new generation of hardware that I salavate for. But really by the time the Dreamcast came along, I was at a point where I didn't care about the 'next gen'. I just wanted good games.Every time a new gen starts, I remember the roots of my - our - hobby more and more. And I feel like it is moving away from the spirit that captivated me in the first place. But that is different for everyone ;)I'll definitely stick to legacy systems. Unless a small miracle happens and the rumoured "Sega Spectrum" really is a new console from Sega.
I rather spend the money a Japanese lessons and play all the interesting games which are not available in English.
GaussRiemann
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Last generation had plenty of games with problems. Ninja Gaiden had horrific camera issues, fighting games lacked online play. Prince of Persia Sands of time had glitch that could break the game at 71% of the way through. These games could have been better if developers could have provided patches for them. Granted, Team Ninja still cannot fix the camera in any of the Ninja Gaiden releases.Â
Sonic and Knuckles was an expansion of Sonic 3. How many different versions of the original Pokemon game were there again? Yellow, Green (Japan only), Blue, and Yellow. Fighting games also had several iterations back in the old days as well. I believe there were at least three different versions of Street Fighter 2 that hit both Sega and Nintendo systems. Each of those iterations were the cost of a full priced game. If you bought all the versions of Street Fighter 2 on either system, then it would run you about $200. Cartridge games cost about $70 per game. I remember when $40 used to be considered a budget price.
You are wrong about games not having bugs before the seventh generation of systems. Check out Sonic's Adventure on Dreamcast. That game is littered with bugs everywhere. you can fall right through solid objects. You are also forgetting that hardware itself had problems back in the old days too. The pins inside of NES systems eventually wore down making it harder to play the cartridges. Games would freeze up for no apparent reason. People would have to blow in their games and inside the console itself so that games would work the first time. The eject function on the SNES also had issues. Sometimes games would get stuck inside the system, making them harder to get out.Â
In today's world you have a lot more options of how you want to play games and where to buy them. In previous generations, you had to buy games at the store, and that was it. A game like Journey or Guacamelee would cost you full tilt back in previous generations instead of being a budget priced game. You could not go online and get games for cheap other than used copies on Ebay. Now you can pick up games for half price or so on Amazon a month after it comes out.Â
Then again, to each his own. If you want to always go to the store and pay $70 to $80 a game only for the greatest hits version to come out with bonus content at a budget price, then go ahead. The practices that are happening now have always been going on, but to a lesser exent.Â
gamenerd15
I'm amused at how you're putting words into my mouth that i didn't say, and responding to non-existent statements to prove 'your' point.
At no point did i say older games were glitch-free, i merely implied at a whole lot less bugs because publishers felt it was better to release a finished game than to pocket fast money and let early-buyer's suffer. Though some games did not have as strict a testing process.
Nowadays you get part of a game every year that you have to buy each time, whereas the "archaic" way would be to release a full game every couple of years which had far more content and you only had to buy it once. I like the 'more game - less money' approach.
Budget-priced games have existed since way before this generation, and your examples of "Journey" or "Guacamelee" likely would've been released as Indie (Freeware) games, or more likely Shareware; you know that system that was such a 'failure' for Doom and the like? And it was still cheaper than a full-price title. But your conjecture suggests you're not old enough to remember those days so base your whole argument on the stories the creepy old man in the game shop says.
Oh yeah, we did have to buy games at the store, such a hassle it was. Most High Streets bustling with several stores that all stocked games as well as their usual fare. Now we get 1 dedicated Games shop and all window-shopping and browsing is done online. Whether you get your game or not depends on your Broadband speed and if your credit card details haven't been stolen. You picked the "$70 or $80" figure out of the air with interest, do you get as easily conned when you're buying anything in RL? Multiple points of sale make for shopping-around: An old-fashioned term meaning visiting several shops until you find the cheapest one for what you want. This also may contribute to the general fitness of old-school gamers.
It's funny you should mention used games, as early indications are that next-gen will be making the consumer pay extra for a second-hand title. How much better that is for everyone. Not.
I love the contradiction at the end of your post :lol:
"The practices that are happening now have always been going on, but to a lesser exent. "
"Newer is better, it's always been going on, unfinished games get released then re-released and released once more on budget and we have to pay for our DLC. WINNN"
Considering: that is development which really bothers me. Since this generation, with consoles having hard drives and online conncetion, developers seem to be far less committed to get rid of bugs, they rely on releasing patches afterwards. While games in the past also had glitches and bugs, it was not as bad as today, since console games couldn't be patched.
And if you are wrong?[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]
It's not unconfirmed, Microsoft is requiring to pay a fee to activate used games. They're also requiring an always on connection to the internet, and there's no backwards compatibility. That's 3 strikes for me, the biggest being the used game BS.
Emerald_Warrior
I don't think you understand, it's not a question of "if" anymore, it's happening. It's a done deal.
BOOOOM http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update Done set match.[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"][QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] And if you are wrong? TigerSuperman
I don't think you understand, it's not a question of "if" anymore, it's happening. It's a done deal.
BOOOOM http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update Done set match.I just read that, that's awesome!
But they're back-peddling at this point. When I made the post, those things were happening, and were officially announced.
BOOOOM http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update Done set match.[QUOTE="TigerSuperman"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]
I don't think you understand, it's not a question of "if" anymore, it's happening. It's a done deal.
Emerald_Warrior
I just read that, that's awesome!
But they're back-peddling at this point. When I made the post, those things were happening, and were officially announced.
When you first write that they had actually admitted the policies were not yet fully implemented and still going through changes. Considering the paperwork I had, I knew they were going to fall back if the public was negative. This is good news because no issue playing Oblivion remake now.[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"][QUOTE="TigerSuperman"] BOOOOM http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update Done set match.TigerSuperman
I just read that, that's awesome!
But they're back-peddling at this point. When I made the post, those things were happening, and were officially announced.
When you first write that they had actually admitted the policies were not yet fully implemented and still going through changes. Considering the paperwork I had, I knew they were going to fall back if the public was negative. This is good news because no issue playing Oblivion remake now.:roll:
We've got an insider on the Legacy boards.
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