Are New IPs actually original?

I determine a "sequel" or continuation of a game by its gameplay/formula. RDR is an iteration/improvement of the GTA3 gameplay and I see that as one lineage of games, not separate franchises, and I would classify it as a sequel to GTA4 more than I would a sequel of the previous red dead revolver.

Another example is that I don't consider Sunshine to be a Mario platformer, however it's a great platformer with lots of Mario elements. I measure games solely by gameplay; the names, characters and such are interchangeable and irrelevant for me.

Majoras Mask would be a variation of the 3D Zelda gameplay and TP would be a spiritual successor to OoT.

To be honest, the reason why Vice City isn't called GTA4 is simply because GTA4 would actually be GTA6 and nobody wants to pull a Final Fantasy with crazy figures like 14. I think it's a cheap way of justifying a sequel i.e. renaming it and changing some non gameplay factors just to be able to say "this is an original title" while it's not.

I'm not implying that any of the so called "new IPs" this gen are bad, they're amazing games, but I feel that the word original is a wrong way of describing those games. Uncharted is one franchise I would not call original in terms of gameplay, but it's my personal goty of 2009.

For example many considers the Mario Galaxy games to be unoriginal and Mario rehashes, yeah in the sense of the names and characters and stuff I can see that, but what matters is the gameplay.

So which new IPs ARE original? Mirror's Edge and Portal are two new IPs that I've played which I would consider to be original, because they actually are gameplay wise.

I'm just expressing my point of view and I understand why some people call Rage original, I wouldn't, but I'm not gonna bash you for it, like some people love to bash Mario. There are more CoD and Halo games than 3D Mario platformers and the latter has been around for the longest, that's the reality....

IP stands for Intellectual Property. Original characters, story, themes, and premise makes it a new IP. Thats pretty much the definition. It has nothing to do with the gameplay elements or even its actual game design concepts.

Im not sure why you are trying to twist the definition of IP when there are perfectly valid descriptors for what you are looking for: A game with original gameplay.

No they are actually copy and pasted from an alternative universe.

I say any original is from the details in the game. Squeals can be original. I think FF13 had a original combat system.

I'd say Demons Souls for its online functionality. Also Valkyria Chronicles has a battle system which is unique for me, but I've heard it's similar to Ring of Red (haven't played it).

Red Dead Redemption isn't a new IP anyway, seeing as it is the sequel to Read Dead Revolver.

What has ben original in the past 10 years?

Which is absolutely irrelevant by the way, that doesn't judge a game's entertainment factor.

But really now, what on earth can devs come up with, that is even remotely original in this time and day? I think everything has ben tapped, and don't tell me motion controlled games, since that existed with the invention of the mouse, or online games (that's ben since the early 90's). Think real good on this one, because i have.

The thing is, added content to a fundamental recipie of a game is the only thing that can be done, now.

What has ben original in the past 10 years?

But really now, what on earth can devs come up with, that is even remotely original in this time and day? I think everything has ben tapped, and don't tell me motion controlled games, since that existed with the invention of the mouse, or online games (that's ben since the early 90's). Think real good on this one, because i have.

Lucianu

Not well enough, it seems.

Trine, Crayon Physics, Black & White, World of Goo, Giants: Citizen Kabuto, Spore, Planetside, The Ship, Batlle Realms (precursor to Warcraft 3), Sacrifice, DEFCON, The Sims, Portal (or Narbacular Drop if you wanna be anal), Arx Fatalis, Minecraft, The Path, Mount and Blade.

And those are just the good games i can remember for one platform.

Not well enough, it seems.

Trine, Crayon Physics, Black & White, World of Goo, Giants: Citizen Kabuto, Spore, Planetside, The Ship, Batlle Realms (precursor to Warcraft 3), Sacrifice, DEFCON, The Sims, Portal, Arx Fatalis, Minecraft, The Path, Mount and Blade.

And those are just the good games i can remember for one platform.XaosII

God damn.. you got me. Also forgot about a lotta indie devs from which i saw some unique type a games.

(or Narbacular Drop if you wanna be anal)XaosII

If you want to get it on with strangers on the net, find a anonymous partner. I'm not one them types you seem to search for, unfortunately.

New=/=original.

But that doesn't mean it's bad.

This is a pretty interesting read but isn't this better suited for blog material?