Are today's gamers too whiny?

I think in this "internet era" gamers are rather whiny. Back in the days we were excited for every game except if it was really bad. You didn't see so much whining and even "company boycotts". Sure, there was fandom and some companies used it to flame the competitor (like the infamous Sega's "Nintendon't" campaign) but generally speaking people enjoyed the games.

So why do you think the sudden increase of whiny gamers? Does it have to do with bad publisher policies or is it something else?

Discuss.

no, is just today gamers have a lot more crap to deal with, dlc, online passes, incomplete games, bad quality games, every single big company trying to pull some kind of new terrible business practice.

if there is "whinning" is because there are a lot of companies trying to pull stuff on us, and i don't think the "we should let them because i don't whine" attitude works.

There is so much whining on this forum about the stupidest things,so yes.

no people now have the tools to be more vocal about their opinions where as back then they didn't

no, is just today gamers have a lot more crap to deal with, dlc, online passes, incomplete games, bad quality games, every single big company trying to pull some kind of new terrible business practice.

if there is "whinning" is because there are a lot of companies trying to pull stuff on us, and i don't think the "we should let them because i don't whine" attitude works.

Krelian-co

I think with the way gamers have been treated the past couple years justifies it. I'm referring to things like online passes, day one DLC, over priced DLC, games not properly supported by their devs, casualization of just about everything, paying for online, high failure rate of consoles, etc, etc

If people never whine and complain than things will get even worse. Say what you will about how Bioware fans reacted to the ME3 ending, but look what happened. Bioware is now making a new ending for the game that will hopefully meet fan approval.

Dear God yes. The first thing they want in a game are amazing graphics.

It depends on what the whining is about. I definitely feel gamers are too whiny today but then there are some legitmate reasons to be whiny. For example when a game gets dumbed down, thats a legitmate reason to be pissed.

When all games are being directed towards the masses, chasing the Call Of Duty kids, thats a legitmate reason to be pissed. When games dont have to variety, the complexity or any sort of uniqueness to them.

For the most part though gamers are too whiny about irrelevent things.

Dear God yes. The first thing they want in a game are amazing graphics.

driftingsilvia

I just think there's more opprotunities for folks to get on their soap box and rant about the little things.

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Dear God yes. The first thing they want in a game are amazing graphics.

MadVybz

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Dear God yes. The first thing they want in a game are amazing graphics.

almasdeathchild

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[QUOTE="MadVybz"] I really don't see why that's a negative thing; devs are currently working with 7-year-old hardware, I think we're at a point where bad graphics are simply inexcusable. MadVybz

The game market simply grew and developers try to please multiple market segments. The result being all kind of hybrid games that are a composition of multiple genres. The troublesome aspect about these hybrid games is that some segments get the short stick, for example the RPG elements vs the action gameplay in mass effect. Logically the segment that gets the short stick starts whining.
So conclusion, no gamers aren't too whiny.

Not just gamers, but a lot of adults in general are whiny, weak minded crybabies who want the world to adapt to their inconviences instead of them toughing things out and dealing with it.

That whole Re-take ME3 movement for example, represents a bunch of adult weirdos who weren't content with simply voicing their dislike for the endings, demanding a change and moving on. They decide to start up charity drives and cupcake funds instead of simply refusing to support and spend money on future Bioware products for the false advertising.

Voting EA the worst company ever over Bank Of America?? Lol, I can see kids spam voting, but any adult who voted for EA is pathetic.

Adults who rant and rave over game review scores, complain about 'noobs' in multiplayer, watch playthrough vids and complain about teh person's playstyle, and so on.

Most of the bull**** they whine and moan about can be alleviated simply by refusing to spend money and walking away.

All gamers these days think they're a critic and know everything about everything got to do with games. and it's all the internet's fault. I think gaming would almost be better off without forums telling people what to think and influencing them. Not directly but a long time ago if a game got a score of about 75% it was considered a great game. These days if people see that they think it's bad

I think the worst kinds of whiners are the ones who speak but don't really say anything.

no, is just today gamers have a lot more crap to deal with, dlc, online passes, incomplete games, bad quality games, every single big company trying to pull some kind of new terrible business practice.

if there is "whinning" is because there are a lot of companies trying to pull stuff on us, and i don't think the "we should let them because i don't whine" attitude works.

Krelian-co

All gamers these days think they're a critic and know everything about everything got to do with games. and it's all the internet's fault. I think gaming would almost be better off without forums telling people what to think and influencing them. Not directly but a long time ago if a game got a score of about 75% it was considered a great game. These days if people see that they think it's bad

seanmcloughlin

That whole Re-take ME3 movement for example, represents a bunch of adult weirdos who weren't content with simply voicing their dislike for the endings, demanding a change and moving on. They decide to start up charity drives and cupcake funds instead of simply refusing to support and spend money on future Bioware products for the false advertising.

HipHopBeats

I guess you could draw paralells between that and the current rage at bankers. People rage at them even though no bank promises to make all your cash 100% secure and investment banks publically say that buying into the stock market is risky and you could lose everything. Anyone with basic common sense should know that living on the breadline with a 5% mortgage is financial suicide, you should only ever take such a mortgage if you have plenty of cash to spare and would just prefer some luxaries instead of a smaller mortgage.

I think it just seems that way because the internet allows mroe people to voice their (often times ridiculous) opinions.

God yes! Especially hermits and their "wha wha consolized wha wha" bullsh1t. I cant stand'em

Not being able to play games you paid for offline, having to deal with online passes, and other ways for companies to get a bit more cash is something that has been shoved in their faces so much it would be stupid for them not to complain.RAGEofSTUNTS

^^^ these are good reason to whine about I agree. Now the ME3 ending and the "games are being consolized" bs are just beyond stupid

I just think there's more opprotunities for folks to get on their soap box and rant about the little things.

Yusuke420

Yes and its detrimental to how much developers are willing to show their games now. They're all holding back till E3 and the alike because of negative publicity. A decent Far Cry 3 video showing off some cool lighting stuff was ripped apart on Youtube recently for example. Developers like Rockstar and Valve are in stealth mode. Look at the early reception of L4D2 for one. There's a lot of gamers out there who need to stick their heads out of the window occasionally. They live in fantasy land where they think they can get what they want. Just look at the Bioware forums. They were going to sue the company over that ending! I'm not joking!

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All gamers these days think they're a critic and know everything about everything got to do with games. and it's all the internet's fault. I think gaming would almost be better off without forums telling people what to think and influencing them. Not directly but a long time ago if a game got a score of about 75% it was considered a great game. These days if people see that they think it's bad

gameguy6700

70 or 7.0 on GS is considered average and people who hear that these days associate it with being bad. No one wants to spend money on average products unless they really like certain aspects of the game. Everyone wants really hugh quality

Yeah, gamers have become too whiny and over-demanding.

Take the outrage over Mass Effect 3's ending for example.

Everyone loved the game, but they hated the ending. They said the game was great, but they're so stuck on the sub-par ending. It's so stupid that just because the game isn't 100% perfect, everyone needs to throw a hissy fit. They DEMANDED Bioware to release a patch to change the ending, which was completely unnecessary. The ending was fine the way it was.

Back in the day, once a game was released there was no way for the developers to remotely alter it with patches and DLC. Because of patches and DLC, gamers feel as though they can request certain changes to games they already own.

I hate how most gamers have a false sense of entitlement.

Developers like Rockstar and Valve are in stealth mode. Look at the early reception of L4D2 for one. biggest_loser

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"] That isn't true and it never has been for any 1-10 rating scale ever. People see percentages and they immediately view them in the context of school grades, where 70-79 is a "C", 80-89 is a "B", 90+ is an "A", and everything below 70 is failing.seanmcloughlin

70 or 7.0 on GS is considered average and people who hear that these days associate it with being bad. No one wants to spend money on average products unless they really like certain aspects of the game. Everyone wants really hugh quality

Yes and its detrimental to how much developers are willing to show their games now. They're all holding back till E3 and the alike because of negative publicity. A decent Far Cry 3 video showing off some cool lighting stuff was ripped apart on Youtube recently for example. Developers like Rockstar and Valve are in stealth mode. Look at the early reception of L4D2 for one. There's a lot of gamers out there who need to stick their heads out of the window occasionally. They live in fantasy land where they think they can get what they want. Just look at the Bioware forums. They were going to sue the company over that ending! I'm not joking!

biggest_loser

That isn't true and it never has been for any 1-10 rating scale ever. People see percentages and they immediately view them in the context of school grades, where 70-79 is a "C", 80-89 is a "B", 90+ is an "A", and everything below 70 is failing.gameguy6700

And those people are brain-dead morons. So is whoever came up with that ridiculous scale in the first place.

Are we not all 'internet' era gamers? I know if there was internet anywhere close to what we have today when I was growing up in the 80's, I would have been on a site very much like this, voicing my complaints and promoting great games. People seem to be whiny tenfold these days regardless of the media.

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I lived in a small community a long way from a major metropolis and all I had was Nintendo Power and EGM magazines to keep me in touch with the community. That and game store clerks, but they have always been either trustworthy, or full of s*. I know I have always enjoyed playing games, now more than ever. We are also far more critical with what we spend our money on. If I drop $60 of my hard earned cash, I expect to have a fully enjoyable experience ranging anywhere from 8-60 hours of play time. I don't think that's too much to ask.

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There is just far too many people trying far too hard to bash and wish hateful things on console and game makers. Enjoy the hobby people.

Are today's gamers too whiny? No

Does this generation suck? Yes

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All gamers these days think they're a critic and know everything about everything got to do with games. and it's all the internet's fault. I think gaming would almost be better off without forums telling people what to think and influencing them. Not directly but a long time ago if a game got a score of about 75% it was considered a great game. These days if people see that they think it's bad

seanmcloughlin

70 or 7.0 on GS is considered average and people who hear that these days associate it with being bad. No one wants to spend money on average products unless they really like certain aspects of the game. Everyone wants really hugh quality

If you rad some of the reviews of games that Gamespot has given a 7.0 to without thinking score, the review actually sounds like a 5/10 game.

Gamers aren't whiny - not at all. They praise what they like and criticize what they don't. Without people complaining, Skyrim on the PS3 would still be broke, Gran Turismo 5 wouldn't have half a hard drive full of game updates, and Mass Effect 3 wouldn't be getting a new and improved ending. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

You don't think publishers devote time and money to fixing things out of the goodness of your heart, do you?

This whole "whining" thing just stems from reviewers who don't play games for long enough to experience various bugs, or don't even play it on a certain console at all - just copy-and-paste a review from one console to the other - or never even get to the part where the problems lie. Then gamers discover all these defects that the reviewers missed and in typically dishonest fashion, they refuse to admit that they never played that part and instead fall back on their childish "you guys are just a bunch of whiners" argument.