Beat MGS2 for the first time...why the hate?

SPOLIER ALERT

Anyway, before I got into this series, MGS2 sounded like the black sheep of the series based on a vocal group of people. I'm not seeing it. Is it because Raiden replaced Solid Snake, because the last game was orchestrated by a sercet society, because it ends on a cliffhangar? I loved every second of this game, and really can't see any serious gripe to put this on the level of say...Chrono Cross (which was still a good game, but much more screwy to fans of the first game than MGS2 is.)

MGS2 is my favourite as well but I dont think the game gets as much hate as you say it does. It's just heavily critisied because of raiden.

Raiden's naked butt

...enough said

the game is good, people just disliked that you play as raiden most of the game.

I enjoyed it, but the reason why it's my least favorite is because Raiden was such a winey ***** and that the story just got too frickin weird at the end, even for MGS standards.

I disliked having to play as an androgynous, whiny douchebag for the majority of the game, but thats just me.

I disliked having to play as an androgynous, whiny douchebag for the majority of the game, but thats just me.

TJORLY

raiden is ok but nowhere near as awesome as snake, i think thats the game real flaw, but the game is still very good, i remember the first time i saw the trailer i shed a tear xD

A boss named Fat Man?

Im outta here.

I felt cheated by the marketing campaign that showed Snake as the playable character in all the boss fights Raiden ends up fighting. They also had multiple scenes that were completely cut off from the final game. There was a Snake vs Harrier boss fight on the George Washington bridge that we never saw in the game. There was a scene in the Tanker chapter where Snake is getting ready to fight Metal Gear Ray at the top of the Tanker but that never happens in the game either.

Other than that, the hours and hours of codec calls, especially with Rose grew tiresome very quickly. I kept waiting for Snake to become the protagonist again but that never happened. When the ending came, i felt shortchanged. I couldnt believe the game was over. It was horribly paced, and the twist that the Patriots were A.I was delivered terribly in an hour long codec in the middle of a two hour long cutscene.

I enjoyed the game a lot more on subsequent playthroughs. It's a fantastic game actually with some pretty unique story missions and stellar level design. It's also got the most hidden easter eggs ever in a video game and they are all hilarious.

I felt cheated by the marketing campaign that showed Snake as the playable character in all the boss fights Raiden ends up fighting. They also had multiple scenes that were completely cut off from the final game. There was a Snake vs Harrier boss fight on the George Washington bridge that we never saw in the game. There was a scene in the Tanker chapter where Snake is getting ready to fight Metal Gear Ray at the top of the Tanker but that never happens in the game either.

Other than that, the hours and hours of codec calls, especially with Rose grew tiresome very quickly. I kept waiting for Snake to become the protagonist again but that never happened. When the ending came, i felt shortchanged. I couldnt believe the game was over. It was horribly paced, and the twist that the Patriots were A.I was delivered terribly in an hour long codec in the middle of a two hour long cutscene.

I enjoyed the game a lot more on subsequent playthroughs. It's a fantastic game actually with some pretty unique story missions and stellar level design. It's also got the most hidden easter eggs ever in a video game and they are all hilarious.

S0lidSnake

I don't know why either... It's badass !! Raiden is cool ;) Most underrated video game character ever.

I felt cheated by the marketing campaign that showed Snake as the playable character in all the boss fights Raiden ends up fighting. They also had multiple scenes that were completely cut off from the final game. There was a Snake vs Harrier boss fight on the George Washington bridge that we never saw in the game. There was a scene in the Tanker chapter where Snake is getting ready to fight Metal Gear Ray at the top of the Tanker but that never happens in the game either.

Other than that, the hours and hours of codec calls, especially with Rose grew tiresome very quickly. I kept waiting for Snake to become the protagonist again but that never happened. When the ending came, i felt shortchanged. I couldnt believe the game was over. It was horribly paced, and the twist that the Patriots were A.I was delivered terribly in an hour long codec in the middle of a two hour long cutscene.

I enjoyed the game a lot more on subsequent playthroughs. It's a fantastic game actually with some pretty unique story missions and stellar level design. It's also got the most hidden easter eggs ever in a video game and they are all hilarious.

S0lidSnake

It was poorly written, the level design sucked, and like it has already been pointed out, way too much green screen time. I think of MGS2 whenever I'm reminded of Kojima's ironic comments about Crysis' plot.

The last boss fight was exciting however. Other than that, the rest of the game is completely unnecessary.

The story basically. It goes crazy and convoluted near the end, and the storytelling is awful - most of the cutscenes/dialogue are delivered through codec. I thought the gameplay was solid however.

I didn't like MGS2 for the simple fact that there was too many cinematics and dialogue to sort through. I enjoyed it mainly for what gameplay I could find and there was a lot, but it just felt like I was watching a movie and not playing a videogame whatsoever.

Raiden's naked butt

...enough said

Black_Knight_00

One of the onlyparts i was looking forward to seeing

I didn't like MGS2 for the simple fact that there was too many cinematics and dialogue to sort through. I enjoyed it mainly for what gameplay I could find and there was a lot, but it just felt like I was watching a movie and not playing a videogame whatsoever.

Metamania

True Dat!

I was so close to pulling my hair out.

I wanna play. If i wanted to watch a movie, i would have gotten a movie.

Raiden's naked butt

...enough said

Black_Knight_00

I also beat MGS2 a few months ago for the first time, and was a great experience, its a great game.

But i strongly disliked the fact that most of the action takes place in that off-shore plant. One of the worst environments ever.. , and the back tracking was just bad.

I think alot of the hate was a knee-jerk reaction to Raiden. I think MGS2 in the second best MGS behind MGS3.

If people want good fleshed out stories, go read a book or play an RPG. People seem to complain that every game has a bad story. We're talking about mgs here, the game that uses 30 minute cutscenes to tell you stories that don't make any sense in the first place. I liked the little kickback they did to the MSX MG game (although it had to take place during raiden's naked part) and the boss fight at the end was one of my favorites. Actually, the whole entire thing after raiden got his clothes back (cutscenes included) were some of the best things I've watched/played in a game.

It was the beginning of the end for the series, the kernel of runaway LAME cells that eventually metastasized into the cancer MGS4 turned into. Bear in mind that I'm speaking of the story; the mechanics and gameplay were fine.

I thought that game was terrible.

Right from the beginning, you're working to expose the US military for making metal gears - something that every other nation on the planet is doing. Huh? Are we supposed to want the US military to be at a huge military disadvantage to the rest of the world? Is that the goal we're supposed to want to work towards? Then the terrorists have got the ship booby-trapped so if you walk down a hallway, you may set off explosives that sink the entire ship. Huh? The terrorists set this up knowing that there would be a very large number of them on board, and if any random guy happened to walk down a hall, they'd all die?

So after making it through the first part of the game, we get to the second part, and NOW we get a tutorial on how to use the controls? WTF - I've been playing this for over an hour already.

All the environments on the facility were very similar, you were basically just doing the same junk over and over again, even backtracking through the same exact areas but being able to go through another door because now you've got some keycard or something. The boss fights were just dumb - throwing claymore mines at some rollerskating idiot, and having to hit him with over a dozen of them before you win...whatever :roll:

Don't even get me started on that girl who was always wanting to talk about your relationship with you over the radio - while I'm kind of busy trying to save the world here. And then what, you're girlfriend was actually a hologram, and you never noticed that before? I mean, huh? And all the endless talk about how you won't let her in your bedroom or some such rubbish. I was seriously tossing my controller on the bed and just sitting back and laughing at how utterly ludicrous it all was.

Then there's the girl you meet, who promptly pees her pants, then the hero pees his pants when he's being interrogated. Is this a bit of a fetish with the developer or something?

The gameplay throughout was extremely mediocre, the characters were beyond laughable, the environments were boring and ordinary.

An absolutely TERRIBLE game.

MGS2 is awesome.

I enjoyed playing as Raiden. I thought it was cool to be playing as a rookie and seeing the game through his eyes rather than playingas the generic 'bad-ass, highly experienced hero' like nearly every other game. Don't get me wrong, I definately prefer Snake, of course, but I still found it to be a very interesting tobe playing the game from a different point of view.

SPOLIER ALERT

Anyway, before I got into this series, MGS2 sounded like the black sheep of the series based on a vocal group of people. I'm not seeing it. Is it because Raiden replaced Solid Snake, because the last game was orchestrated by a sercet society, because it ends on a cliffhangar? I loved every second of this game, and really can't see any serious gripe to put this on the level of say...Chrono Cross (which was still a good game, but much more screwy to fans of the first game than MGS2 is.)

NuclearNerd

MGS2 was the first game of the series I played, and I enjoyed it so much I went back to play 1. People who played 1 first are just butt hurt that they got Raiden shoved down their throats. Other than that, MGS2 was a solid game. You gotta give the devs respect for trying something a little different.

MGS2 was superb. I just don't understand the hate it gets. I loved the story.

Wait.... you have Foxhound in your name but you have no desire to play MGS4??.BigBoss255

It was my least favorite of the series mainly due to its very strange ending. That said, it was still a fantastic game.

Apparently, playing as a different character (that adds to the series btw) leads to automatic dislike of the WHOLE game...San_09

Playing as a different character is one thing, but going from the awesome Snake to the douchey little Raiden is pretty dumb.

Maybe if the person who replaced Snake was actually cool it wouldn't have been half as bad.

[QUOTE="BigBoss255"]Wait.... you have Foxhound in your name but you have no desire to play MGS4??.foxhound_fox

The game sucks. Dont play it.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="BigBoss255"]Wait.... you have Foxhound in your name but you have no desire to play MGS4??.S0lidSnake

The game sucks. Dont play it.

Odd. I've heard just about every critic say it's the best one in the series yet. Guess the game can't do well for some gamers, like yourself. :P

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] And "Fox" for Grey Fox. And no, I have very little desire to play it, because of all the disparity of opinion regarding whether or not it was a good or bad addition to the series. I may get to it eventually, but I'm happy with an open ending to the series right now.Metamania

The game sucks. Dont play it.

Odd. I've heard just about every critic say it's the best one in the series yet. Guess the game can't do well for some gamers, like yourself. :P

I was trolling. :P

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

The game sucks. Dont play it.

S0lidSnake

Odd. I've heard just about every critic say it's the best one in the series yet. Guess the game can't do well for some gamers, like yourself. :P

I was trolling. :P

:lol:

Raiden's naked butt

...enough said

Black_Knight_00

That pretty much sums it up.

It's a good game, the only hate I hear about it is playing as Raiden. Don't see what's so wrong with that. Yeah obviously Snake is more badass but who cares Raiden turned out to be a big, badass character too (see: MGS4 and last boss fight in MGS2)

I thought Raiden was pretty badass in the game, people only thought he sucked because they were comparing him to Snakes personality which really didn't work out, and Snake wasn't absent from the game so all was good.

I dunno why there's hate either i consider it my favourite MGS a lot of the time

You know, while several wrote the game off because of Raiden, it's annoying to generalize and say that people don't like the game simply because of Raiden. He wasn't my problem with the game at all.

Saying Raiden is the only reason for people to not like MGS2 is like saying that the only reason people may not like Zelda: Wind Waker is due to the cel shading, or not liking Final Fantasy XIII simply because of it having characters that have a Japanese asthetic to them. Don't be so dismissive of other people's feelings, especially when they take the time to explain them. :|

This post contains spoilers for MGS1 and 2.

Its worth remembering that the excellent demo was completely misleading. The demo was filled with brillitant, interactive bits (you could shoot a glass filled with ice and then watch the ice melt, you could stand up in front of a projector durimg a big meeting and your image would be thrown into relief onscreen, you could shoot the ties of a billowing tarp which was partially obscuring your vision in order to allow the wind to rip it away and get it out of your way, you could shoot the leaves off plants...) that were contained in the first hour or so of the game, but which were entirely absent from the majority of the game, which featured one crawling through a bland environment with few interactive elements.

Also, the bosses were weak and the end sequence of boss fights was really disappointing (there were a paltry two fights at the end of MGS2, at the end of MGS1, 3 and 4 there were several boss fights and chase sequences). Not only was the sequence unusually short, but the two pieces which composed it were lackluster (I didn't know that each of the pack of Metal Gears Idefeated at the end were each versions of the super Metal Gear the game had been building up, because each one was so each to knock off).

Also, the plot is weaker. The fact that one couldn't save Hal's sister kind of robbed that situation of tragedy (we're set aside the fact she wasn't an interesting character). The (non-canon) death of Meryl in MGS1 was a better done because if one did better (at the torture scene) one could save her.