Black Guy in Assassin's Creed 3. Historically Inaccurate?

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#1 sundayismyDAD
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I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

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I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

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Why do people automatically say "i'm not racist" at the mere mention of a black person in any regard?

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#3 sundayismyDAD
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"]

I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

Why do people automatically say "i'm not racist" at the mere mention of a black person in any regard?

I'm just stating that the time period of the game could contradict the person's ability to own such a property.
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#4 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"]

I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

sundayismyDAD

Why do people automatically say "i'm not racist" at the mere mention of a black person in any regard?

I'm just stating that the time period of the game could contradict the person's ability to own such a property.

You might be right.

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#5 Lucky_Krystal
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Why do people automatically say "i'm not racist" at the mere mention of a black person in any regard?

Bigboi500

I've always wondered that too.

And TC, did Ubisoft stress to everyone that they were trying their hardest to be historically accurate (kind of like how the Medol of Honor devs claimed they were authentic)? Because if not then I don't see the big deal. Its a video game, not an educational documentary.

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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"]

I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

sundayismyDAD

Why do people automatically say "i'm not racist" at the mere mention of a black person in any regard?

I'm just stating that the time period of the game could contradict the person's ability to own such a property.

It's a game in a series about a historical conspiracy involving two factions along with some crazy alien Godlike race that created humans, and in that same game you take part in every major moment of the American Revolution in a way that highly, highly contradicts what happens.

So honestly, are you really going to complain about the likelihood of a black man owning property back then?

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[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"]

I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

Why do people automatically say "i'm not racist" at the mere mention of a black person in any regard?

I'm just stating that the time period of the game could contradict the person's ability to own such a property.

Might be why those white guys were trying to get into the house. Also, if he inherited the house from the members of the Assassin's Guild I dont really see the problem.
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[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Why do people automatically say "i'm not racist" at the mere mention of a black person in any regard?gamefan67
I'm just stating that the time period of the game could contradict the person's ability to own such a property.

Might be why those white guys were trying to get into the house. Also, if he inherited the house from the members of the Assassin's Guild I dont really see the problem.

Good Point. It is also more likely that Connor would receive training from a black person instead of a white person. A person would be too bigoted to train a native. After all, I think that his father may have been trying to get some native tail at the time that Connor was conceived. I have not played through the game so I don't know for sure yet if he has a change of heart.
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I wondered this myself.
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I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

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Unlikely, but not inaccurate.
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#11 taiwwa
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OP is racist.

Learn history. There were free blacks in that time, who owned property. Blacks were about 10% of the population of the North, and in many southern states were the majority of people.

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#12 sundayismyDAD
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[QUOTE="taiwwa"]

OP is racist.

Learn history. There were free blacks in that time, who owned property. Blacks were about 10% of the population of the North, and in many southern states were the majority of people.

Just saying. I have two black little brothers, so don't call me racist.
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I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

sundayismyDAD
What difference does it make? How much realism do you expect from an SF fantasy like Assassin's Creed? The game is for everyone of this generation so the virtual history should be as it should have been, not as it was.
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"that" black guy is Boer, they are considered civilized.

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[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"]

I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

Kage1

During the revelutionary war there a lot of free blacks in the USA. And yes, some owned property.

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[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"]

I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

Bigboi500

Why do people automatically say "i'm not racist" at the mere mention of a black person in any regard?

Possibly due to how quickly some people can accuse another of being racist nowadays

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#18 ReviewerDrake
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It's possible especially if he was a Recruit and then became a master and inherited the manner.

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#19 Ricardomz
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Who cares?

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#20 Treflis
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Assassins Creed is historically accurate?
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Most of the Black People in the North around Revolutionary times where free'd men, or the offspring of free'd men. It wasn't a big deal for them to own houses, businesses or even land. They mainly were servants, or assistants, but were paid for their work. Didn't any of you kids take history in school?
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Racists? I thought they are an extincted race...

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When you say "im not racist"it's to cover up the fact that you are racsit.....If you wasn't racist then you wouldn't care because ITS A VIDEO GAME lol
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[QUOTE="gamefan67"][QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"] I'm just stating that the time period of the game could contradict the person's ability to own such a property.sundayismyDAD
Might be why those white guys were trying to get into the house. Also, if he inherited the house from the members of the Assassin's Guild I dont really see the problem.

Good Point. It is also more likely that Connor would receive training from a black person instead of a white person. A person would be too bigoted to train a native. After all, I think that his father may have been trying to get some native tail at the time that Connor was conceived. I have not played through the game so I don't know for sure yet if he has a change of heart.

I think you meant to say "a white person would be too bigoted to train a native", and if so, not all white people were or are racist.

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[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"][QUOTE="gamefan67"] Might be why those white guys were trying to get into the house. Also, if he inherited the house from the members of the Assassin's Guild I dont really see the problem. supern0va9

Good Point. It is also more likely that Connor would receive training from a black person instead of a white person. A person would be too bigoted to train a native. After all, I think that his father may have been trying to get some native tail at the time that Connor was conceived. I have not played through the game so I don't know for sure yet if he has a change of heart.

I think you meant to say "a white person would be too bigoted to train a native", and if so, not all white people were or are racist.

That is what I said. I am not racist. I never really cared much about history. I just asked out of temporary curiosity since I never really knew much about it.
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Off topic kinda but this really shows a rather annoying thing of the modern time.

People are so incredibly quick to pull the racism card that everytime someone mentions a minority (unless they are asian, as we've seen on this forum), they always have to start a statement by saying "no racist I swear!". As this thread also shows, the "no racist!"-statement is actually justified since several here were immediately pulling the racist card.


Also, some argue that there are supernatural things in AC3 so who cares about the historically accuracy of black people but it's not the same thing at all. The supernatural stuff is the fictional part of the story. The black-thingy is part of the historically stuff. They are portraying something real with supernatural elements but supernatural elements is no excuse for the inaccuracies in the "real" part.

Just annoying that this couldn't just have been discusssed properly instead of a buncha accusations and "omg i dont care about this but yet i click it, read it and post in the thread but omg i dont care at all".

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Off topic kinda but this really shows a rather annoying thing of the modern time.

People are so incredibly quick to pull the racism card that everytime someone mentions a minority (unless they are asian, as we've seen on this forum), they always have to start a statement by saying "no racist I swear!". As this thread also shows, the "no racist!"-statement is actually justified since several here were immediately pulling the racist card.


Also, some argue that there are supernatural things in AC3 so who cares about the historically accuracy of black people but it's not the same thing at all. The supernatural stuff is the fictional part of the story. The black-thingy is part of the historically stuff. They are portraying something real with supernatural elements but supernatural elements is no excuse for the inaccuracies in the "real" part.

Just annoying that this couldn't just have been discusssed properly instead of a buncha accusations and "omg i dont care about this but yet i click it, read it and post in the thread but omg i dont care at all".

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There seems to be a lot of Al Sharpton wannabees on internet forums.

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There seems to be a lot of Al Sharpton wannabees on internet forums.

Bigboi500

What is that supposed to mean? Al Sharpton has dedicated his life to civil rights and equality for all people. He's certainly had his share of controversy, particularly when he was a young firebrand minister in NY, but he deserves respect for his lifetime of work fighting against injustice and inequality.

Anyone who opens a post by declaring they are not a racist and then questions the legitimacy of a black character in a video game that is fraught with historical inaccuracies deserves all of the criticism they receive. Some of you here don't put a lot of thought into what you have to say before you say it. Once again, this thread merely demonstrates how insensitive too many gamers can be.

Video games are entertainment, they are for the people who are playing them now. If revisionist history means everyone can enjoy games without being marginalized by the sins of our forefathers, that's a good thing.

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lol I am not racist. Great first line.

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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

There seems to be a lot of Al Sharpton wannabees on internet forums.

capaho

What is that supposed to mean? Al Sharpton has dedicated his life to civil rights and equality for all people. He's certainly had his share of controversy, particularly when he was a young firebrand minister in NY, but he deserves respect for his lifetime of work fighting against injustice and inequality.

Anyone who opens a post by declaring they are not a racist and then questions the legitimacy of a black character in a video game that is fraught with historical inaccuracies deserves all of the criticism they receive. Some of you here don't put a lot of thought into what you have to say before you say it. Once again, this thread merely demonstrates how insensitive too many gamers can be.

Video games are entertainment, they are for the people who are playing them now. If revisionist history means everyone can enjoy games without being marginalized by the sins of our forefathers, that's a good thing.

He also is a poster boy for playing the race card, even in situations where there's no call for it. A lot of people are tired of some people being so sensitive over race that any time someone mentions a minority, for any reason, you have people making blind accusations and over-inflating things. People with good intentions are tired of having to walk around on egg shells.

Those kinds of overreactions are due in no small part to people like Al Sharpton when he is out to make headlines.

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[QUOTE="capaho"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

There seems to be a lot of Al Sharpton wannabees on internet forums.

What is that supposed to mean? Al Sharpton has dedicated his life to civil rights and equality for all people. He's certainly had his share of controversy, particularly when he was a young firebrand minister in NY, but he deserves respect for his lifetime of work fighting against injustice and inequality.

Anyone who opens a post by declaring they are not a racist and then questions the legitimacy of a black character in a video game that is fraught with historical inaccuracies deserves all of the criticism they receive. Some of you here don't put a lot of thought into what you have to say before you say it. Once again, this thread merely demonstrates how insensitive too many gamers can be.

Video games are entertainment, they are for the people who are playing them now. If revisionist history means everyone can enjoy games without being marginalized by the sins of our forefathers, that's a good thing.

Just a minor question here. It was more of a history lesson for me. I May have followed it up with what seemed to be statement, but I just did not know if that sort of thing were unlikely or likely. Enough with the accusations.
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"]

I'm not Racist. I am just saying that the black dude may not have had his own house that time period.

Grovilis

Why do people automatically say "i'm not racist" at the mere mention of a black person in any regard?

Possibly due to how quickly some people can accuse another of being racist nowadays

One of the posters proves that point, he was ready for it. Its kind of a knee jerk reaction that some people have, racism is when you say one race is superior to another without any reason. It is not racist if it is a proven fact.

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He also is a poster boy for playing the race card, even in situations where there's no call for it. A lot of people are tired of some people being so sensitive over race that any time someone mentions a minority, for any reason, you have people making blind accusations and over-inflating things. People with good intentions are tired of having to walk around on egg shells.

Those kinds of overreactions are due in no small part to people like Al Sharpton when he is out to make headlines.

Bigboi500

What good intentions have you walking around on egg shells? It's easy to make such ill-informed, insensitive comments if you've never suffered as a result of racism or other forms of prejudice, bigotry or injustice. The OP opened this thread with a thoughtless comment pondering an irrelevant aspect of the game. Of all of the inaccuracies someone could criticize Assassin's Creed 3 for, why was that one so prominent in the OP's mind? You obviously don't get it, but the only person who seems to be overreacting is you.

As for Rev. Sharpton, site some examples where he has been the poster boy for playing the race card, especially in situations where there's no call for it.

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#34 capaho
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Just a minor question here. It was more of a history lesson for me. I May have followed it up with what seemed to be statement, but I just did not know if that sort of thing were unlikely or likely. Enough with the accusations.

sundayismyDAD

It was a minor question for you but it was also provocative in ways that you apparently don't understand. You left yourself open for accusations with the way you worded your opening comments, so take it all in with a grain of salt. If you want to broach a controversial topic, tread carefully or expect to get tread upon.

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One of the posters proves that point, he was ready for it. Its kind of a knee jerk reaction that some people have, racism is when you say one race is superior to another without any reason. It is not racist if it is a proven fact.

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In what cases have it been proven that one race is superior to another?

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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

He also is a poster boy for playing the race card, even in situations where there's no call for it. A lot of people are tired of some people being so sensitive over race that any time someone mentions a minority, for any reason, you have people making blind accusations and over-inflating things. People with good intentions are tired of having to walk around on egg shells.

Those kinds of overreactions are due in no small part to people like Al Sharpton when he is out to make headlines.

capaho

What good intentions have you walking around on egg shells? It's easy to make such ill-informed, insensitive comments if you've never suffered as a result of racism or other forms of prejudice, bigotry or injustice. The OP opened this thread with a thoughtless comment pondering an irrelevant aspect of the game. Of all of the inaccuracies someone could criticize Assassin's Creed 3 for, why was that one so prominent in the OP's mind? You obviously don't get it, but the only person who seems to be overreacting is you.

As for Rev. Sharpton, site some examples where he has been the poster boy for playing the race card, especially in situations where there's no call for it.

I'm not taking up for the TC because it's a stupid thread, but what you say is ironic because you yourself seem to be overreacting to my comments. You're also making blind accusations by saying I've never been a victim of discrimination or bigotry by making ill-informed assumptions when you don't know anything about me at all. There's always more than one side of an issue and multiple perspectives from which things are seen.

Sharpton, in many public media stories involving alleged racism and/or discrimination, has jumped the gun by throwing incendiary comments and half truths while on his soap box just for attention and media sensationalism. Sometimes he is right and sometimes he is wrong, but he always plays to the paranoid and over-sensitive people (some of whom are racists themselves or people who take advantage of the politically correct climate), and he likes to use scare tactics by labeling a lot of people that disagree with him as "racists" without justification. That's what some people in this thread seem to be doing by calling the tc "racist" with no discussion or proof.

All I was originally trying to say was that some of us feel like the politically correct society we live in now sometimes goes overboard to the point that any mention of minorities, for good or bad; right or wrong, brings out the worst from sensitive people who like to point fingers and start name calling over nothing.

That kind of "gotcha" politics is on the verge of ruining freedom of speech for everyone.

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As for Rev. Sharpton, site some examples where he has been the poster boy for playing the race card, especially in situations where there's no call for it.

capaho

Boy has this topic been derailed. But may I butt in here?

Have you heard of what he did with the Tawana Brawley case? There's one example there. In fact, I read about it in a book that talked all about people playing the race card (for the life of me I can not remember the author's name). Look it up. Also Alveda King flat out told him and Jesse Jackson during the Trayvon Martin case to stop playing the race card just to ignite racial tensions and rile Americans up.

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#38 capaho
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I'm not taking up for the TC because it's a stupid thread, but what you say is ironic because you yourself seem to be overreacting to my comments. You're also making blind accusations by saying I've never been a victim of discrimination or bigotry by making ill-informed assumptions when you don't know anything about me at all. There's always more than one side of an issue and multiple perspectives from which things are seen.

Sharpton, in many public media stories involving alleged racism and/or discrimination, has jumped the gun by throwing incendiary comments and half truths while on his soap box just for attention and media sensationalism. Sometimes he is right and sometimes he is wrong, but he always plays to the paranoid and over-sensitive people (some of whom are racists themselves or people who take advantage of the politically correct climate), and he likes to use scare tactics by labeling a lot of people that disagree with him as "racists" without justification. That's what some people in this thread seem to be doing by calling the tc "racist" with no discussion or proof.

All I was originally trying to say was that some of us feel like the politically correct society we live in now sometimes goes overboard to the point that any mention of minorities, for good or bad; right or wrong, brings out the worst from sensitive people who like to point fingers and start name calling over nothing.

That kind of "gotcha" politics is on the verge of ruining freedom of speech for everyone.

Bigboi500

True, I don't know anything about you at all, thus I can only respond to what you've written. All I can say is that your comments do not reflect the insight or sensitivity of someone who has had to live with the kind of oppression and suffering that comes with being discriminated against out of ignorance.

You criticize Al Sharpton as if he's never done anything positive or meaningful, which suggests that you don't really know anything about him other than a few widely publicized incidents. Descrbing others in this thread as Al Sharpton wannabes because they are concerned about the racial overtones of the opening comment comes across as an ignorant comment from someone who really doesn't understand what the issues are in a discussion like this.

If I appear to be overreacting it's because I find racism, ethnocentrism, nationalism, sexism, heterosexism, religious or ideological zealotry, insensitivity borne of ignorance, or any other faulty thinking that results in marginalizing or dehumanizing others for being "different" or "not one of us" to be too distasteful to ignore.

Too many games fall far short when it comes to respect for diversity, probably because too many gamers do and the game companies know they can keep cashing in. Assassin's Creed and other games that provide a greater sensitivity to diversity by making sure the games have a more inclusive range of characters regardless of what the actual history was should be applauded, not criticized.

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#39 capaho
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Boy has this topic been derailed. But may I butt in here?

Have you heard of what he did with the Tawana Brawley case? There's one example there. In fact, I read about it in a book that talked all about people playing the race card (for the life of me I can not remember the author's name). Look it up. Also Alveda King flat out told him and Jesse Jackson during the Trayvon Martin case to stop playing the race card just to ignite racial tensions and rile Americans up.

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The Tawana Brawly case did initially look like a case of racially motivated police brutality but Tawana Brawley had lied to everyone involved in trying to help her. Al Sharpton did look like a media hound during that case but he was also pursuing what appeared to be legitimate issues, so don't confuse style with substance. That incident also happened in 1987, 25 years ago. Your source for the Alveda King story is a link to the Daily Caller, a right-wing blog with ties to the Republican Party. Not exactly a credible source of information on issues like this.

Now let's get this train wreck back on track.

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#40 sundayismyDAD
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[QUOTE="capaho"]

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

One of the posters proves that point, he was ready for it. Its kind of a knee jerk reaction that some people have, racism is when you say one race is superior to another without any reason. It is not racist if it is a proven fact.

In what cases have it been proven that one race is superior to another?

In Dragonball Z, Saiyans were superior to humans. Any other questions.
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#41 capaho
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[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"] In Dragonball Z, Saiyans were superior to humans. Any other questions.

Hmmm.... Speciesism?
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#42 sundayismyDAD
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[QUOTE="sundayismyDAD"] In Dragonball Z, Saiyans were superior to humans. Any other questions. capaho
Hmmm.... Speciesism?

Whatever. I often heard them refer to Saiyans as a race of people.
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#45 HipHopBeats
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Was a native american assassin really responsible for winning all those battels? 'Enjoy your victory commander...it will be the last I deliver you'. Lol, how historically accurate is that?

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