Civilization Revolution Must Have Been Underestimated...

I went and called two Gamestops, an EBGames, Target, Toys R Us and Best Buy and none of them have copies in stock of Civilization Revolutions. Gamestop keeps saying they sold out. After doing some searching on the net, it seems other people in other areas are having the same problem. This game must be selling very well.

Managed to snag a copy of the game from Amazon.com although and it arrived today.

Looks like 2K has got a real winner on their hand, one that might have been underestimated - after all this game is pretty fun and I've never played Civilization before. Anyone else having problems finding this game at local retail stores?

Yes, obtaining Civilization PS3 took a bit of hunting and me accepting the display copy (the last copy of either version in the store). After the fun demo (which got me interested in the game), I'm not surprised to see Civ Rev selling well.

I love this game. I didn't have any trouble finding a copy the first day, but it might have changed since then. I hope this means the game is selling really well, and not that Take-Two just didn't print enough copies.

My only issue is that the other countries never go to war with each other of their own accord. You can bribe them too, but they don't do it on their own. What this means is that on the higher difficulties all of the countries declare war against you and you spend most of the game playing defense. The key is to take someone out early, and if you can't do that, you just get bogged down.

Civ. Revolution is a very fine iteration of Cvilization, so long as you understand going in that the game is, to some degree, streamlined/watered down from the core titles in various aspects to increase playability speed, and emphasize a more simplistic approach to the Civilization concept.

The main benefit is that most games can be played, from beginning to end, in about 2-3 hourss, depending on what victory you are going for, and how effectively you play. This allows for much more ease in doing multiplayer campaigns online, too.

The only downsides I can say is that the game simply is scaled back from the main series by a notable level, so if you like a certain level of micromanagement or detail and nuance in your actions, it's not nearly as present in this title as it is in others, but it works fine for what the game is trying to achieve. Also, the computer AI stuff tends to be a lil iffy in some ways, sometimes being stupid difficult, and other times just being stupid, even when playing two games at the same difficulty level.

It's overall a very, very solid game, regardless of which platform you pick for it.

My only issue is that the other countries never go to war with each other of their own accord. You can bribe them too, but they don't do it on their own. What this means is that on the higher difficulties all of the countries declare war against you and you spend most of the game playing defense. The key is to take someone out early, and if you can't do that, you just get bogged down.rragnaar

You don't have bartering options, you can't negotiate things just for the sake of keeping the morale of your opponents up, among other matters that makes opponents nothing more than people who you steal cities from at times, pay tribute to at times, and eventually declare war on you unless they're a democracy.

This is why there's an economic victory in Civ. Rev. instead of the diplomatic victory of Civ 4 (which is much, MUCH harder to achieve.

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]My only issue is that the other countries never go to war with each other of their own accord. You can bribe them too, but they don't do it on their own. What this means is that on the higher difficulties all of the countries declare war against you and you spend most of the game playing defense. The key is to take someone out early, and if you can't do that, you just get bogged down.Skylock00

You don't have bartering options, you can't negotiate things just for the sake of keeping the morale of your opponents up, among other matters that makes opponents nothing more than people who you steal cities from at times, pay tribute to at times, and eventually declare war on you unless they're a democracy.

This is why there's an economic victory in Civ. Rev. instead of the diplomatic victory of Civ 4 (which is much, MUCH harder to achieve.

I love this game. I didn't have any trouble finding a copy the first day, but it might have changed since then. I hope this means the game is selling really well, and not that Take-Two just didn't print enough copies.

My only issue is that the other countries never go to war with each other of their own accord. You can bribe them too, but they don't do it on their own. What this means is that on the higher difficulties all of the countries declare war against you and you spend most of the game playing defense. The key is to take someone out early, and if you can't do that, you just get bogged down.

rragnaar

On King difficulty (normal) Gandhi declared war against Mao in a game I played this morning without any prompting from me and I've seen computer opponents take each other out without me being in the picture.

I really love this game. A couple days ago I achieved economic domination with Cleopatra (I found two gold mines early on), this morning I used Shaka and won via domination (inbetween those two wins I lost several times).

What was really cool about my last victory was Ghandi was my last opponent and he was being immensely stubborn. I took one of Ghandi's cities, but there were three more cities and literally a sea of enemy units inbetween me and New Delhi, so I had the bulk of my forces continued to slug it out with the Indian army, but I quickly build three armies of tanks, which I loaded onto a battleship and sailed around the continent, landing them close to New Delhi. I then hit New Delhi with a nuclear strike, which killed all the units Gandhi had stacked in the city. My tanks rolled in, the India army wasn't able to pry them out before my next turn, and I achieved victory through domination (taking four capitals) even though Gandhi still had cities and military units.

I need to check the system requirements for Civ 4 on the Mac. My Mac Mini is older, but it has 1GB or RAM and an Intel chip. I'd love to play the more robust version of Civ. Revolution is tons of fun, but hearing about Civ 4 makes me jealous.:Prragnaar

Anyways, Civ 4 is amazing, simply put. The level of depth regarding how you can conduct things is crazy. My typical route is to do a hybrid cultural/technological run, where I keep my techs culturally focused, but try to keep ahead of the curve tech wise so that when i steal other cities through cultural revolt, I can barter with techs to keep allies from attacking me right out.

Good times. :) One time, I placed a city right up against 3 other ones, and then overloaded it with cultural buildings and great artists...the end result was me gaining 3 new cities like that. :D

My tanks rolled in, the India army wasn't able to pry them out before my next turn, and I achieved victory through domination (taking four capitals) even though Gandhi still had cities and military units.

CarnageHeart

rag, what does your sig mean?Kreatzion

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My tanks rolled in, the India army wasn't able to pry them out before my next turn, and I achieved victory through domination (taking four capitals) even though Gandhi still had cities and military units.

Skylock00

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My tanks rolled in, the India army wasn't able to pry them out before my next turn, and I achieved victory through domination (taking four capitals) even though Gandhi still had cities and military units.

rragnaar

I take other people's cities once I take their captial just so I can build up domination in other areas. Also, civilizations do try to get their capital (and other cities) back so unless one always wants to be hassled, it makes sense to take one's opponent out completely.

i got a chance to try a demo of civilization: revolution. at first it seemed stupid. but after beating the demo, i was thinking that the commercial was right when it said it was "endlessly replayable".

Will try to buy it from walmart.

Well yea, I mean its the console fanboy/graphics whore's version of a decent RTS... wayyyy too dumbed down for me, personally.UltimaSlayer94

Civilization isn't and has never been an RTS so clearly you don't know the first thing about the series, but its nice that you took a little time from System Wars to honor us with your presence. Now go back.

lol... anyway! carnage or any of you playing it, is the full game so easy? one thing that bugged me was the demo map is pretty small. i mean you can just run around with one warrior and grab a city or two and its good game. i know there are other difficulties which will help but i am also hoping for larger maps?OneWingedAngeI

i see rrag. i just felt like things were too close together. i shouldnt be able to find and destroy all the other civilizations before the demo even tells me i have 10 turns left, yet i can. what difficulty do you play on?OneWingedAngeI

lol... anyway! carnage or any of you playing it, is the full game so easy? one thing that bugged me was the demo map is pretty small. i mean you can just run around with one warrior and grab a city or two and its good game. i know there are other difficulties which will help but i am also hoping for larger maps?OneWingedAngeI

Normal is challenging (there are two difficulty levels above that which I haven't messed with yet) and like rragnar said, in the full game things are more spread out (the map isn't huge though).

You guys owe it to yourselves to play Civilization IV (with Beyond the Sword) - it's everything Revolution is, just 10x the epicness, 10x the awesomeness, 10x the everythingness. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted to see new Civ fans, it's just that you're playing the wrong game. :)

From what I gather, Revolution is basically a Civ demo. It can't be compared to weeks-long sessions of playing on a huge map against 16+ opponents trying to win any way possible be it military, diplomatic, cultural, space race, etc. etc.

You guys owe it to yourselves to play Civilization IV (with Beyond the Sword) - it's everything Revolution is, just 10x the epicness, 10x the awesomeness, 10x the everythingness. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted to see new Civ fans, it's just that you're playing the wrong game. :)

From what I gather, Revolution is basically a Civ demo. It can't be compared to weeks-long sessions of playing on a huge map against 16+ opponents trying to win any way possible be it military, diplomatic, cultural, space race, etc. etc.

UpInFlames

You guys owe it to yourselves to play Civilization IV (with Beyond the Sword) - it's everything Revolution is, just 10x the epicness, 10x the awesomeness, 10x the everythingness. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted to see new Civ fans, it's just that you're playing the wrong game. :)

From what I gather, Revolution is basically a Civ demo. It can't be compared to weeks-long sessions of playing on a huge map against 16+ opponents trying to win any way possible be it military, diplomatic, cultural, space race, etc. etc.

UpInFlames

i understand why that is appealing, but i dont know if its for me. i played the first couple of civ games wayyy back when and they just got to be too much management for my enjoyment. this seems like it might be the right scale for me. maybe if i play this one for a bit and i want more ill go for civ iv. plus playing from my couch is much nicer.

i played just until now on the DEMO. i turned the difficulty up a notch and its better. i took over all the tribal nations (why do they always have to start crap?) and was expanding nicely until the romans tried to outgrow me. we both had protected settlers rushing to the open part of the map. they got there first, but i still had my way upgraded legions from the earlier fighting, so as soon as they settled, i took their city away :P

If the patch comes (for choosing slower time and choose a bigger world),it´s mine!I rented it for a bunch of hours and I really love this game.Just the shortcoming of my mentioned problems keeps me...and a little lack of money...anyway,if you liked the demo you can´t get unhappy with it.I played Civ IV after the Civ-Rev demo so I had a bit problems with the fast time (and invented almost the nuclear Bomb befor Elektricity XD) but Civ Rev is much funnier and a lot more entertaining.

This Game already spreads through my Friends consoles...

yes, it is an underestimated game! for those who can really think and quickly, especially @ the higher levels. u really have to analyze things constantly w/ every turn to do well - even on the king level - which can be frustrating and time consuming, YET VERY REWARDING if u can be sucessful of course. it reminds me of command and conquer that i played on pc years ago - yet different in its distinct way. based on my love of the game i definitely want to try civ 4 for greater depth. also u cant really critique this game fairly unless you can win @ the king level @ 2 of the 4 revolutions w/o saving or cheating depending on how u look @ it...i've passed emperor via cultural rev...that's my best so far.

note: on deity i played to 2042 and came in dead last...w/ me i either come in dead last or 2nd to last or i win? of course w/ losses in between

P.S. Sid Meier has won more awards for his contributions to the art of gaming than anyone if i remember correctly and that's WOW!

add on to my last addition...on the DEITY level i have been up +10 in army strength vs my opponent and still somehow manage to loose--it is tough!!!vaderzzz

yeah thats one thing i dont like. if you outman and outpower the other side you should almost always win. if they want the computer to win because its on a high difficulty, they should just turn their number up. its confusing when the numbers dont match up.

Civ Rev is a great game. My only complaint, and it's a big one to me, is you can't play with someone else on the same console. My wife, son and I were really looking forward to having a game all 3 of us liked we could play together, but for some reason they made it single player only other than online.btaylor2404

yeah that is actually pretty lame. id like to play against my wife but its not like we have two ps3s lying around. the issue of course would be having full knowledge of the other person's going ons, but when you both know it is at least fair. it wouldnt be the same as the real game but it would still be fun to screw around with.