Console with the best collection of RPGs?

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#1 elpooz
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Topic. Which legacy console/portable do you think has the best RPGs?

I'd have to say the PS2. Dark Cloud 1 and 2, ToA, best versions of Dark Alliance 1 and 2, Wild Arms titles, Shadow Hearts games, Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, the Disgaea games, etc...

Unless the 360/PS3 have a bunch of fantastic RPGs released for them before the next gen, I don't see their RPG catalogs competing with that of the PS2 when their life cycles end.

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#2 Shenmue_Jehuty
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My vote goes to the PS1. In terms of quality and quantity, I feel like the PS1 can't be beat.

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PS2.
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I'd have to say SNES. With the likes of Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 3, Secret of Mana, Shadowrun, Mario RPG, Breath of Fire, Secret of Evermore etc (Does Link to the Past count too?)
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PS2 hands down.

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Xbox 1
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The original playstation, Playstation 2, are your best bet. Super Nintendo is pretty good as well. But at this point in 2012, Collecting for the SNES rpgs is expensive and these games are harder to find. But worth it.

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Xbox 1Thenumber48
 The Xbox doesn't even have 10 rpgs....
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Playstation 2.

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My vote goes to the PS1. In terms of quality and quantity, I feel like the PS1 can't be beat.

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Snes then quickly, closely followed by ps1 :)
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[QUOTE="Thenumber48"]Xbox 1Shockwave-DASH
 The Xbox doesn't even have 10 rpgs....

It has plenty of RPGs. But the focus is mostly on WRPGs rather than JRPGs, which I prefer. Here's a list of good action-RPGs or Westen-RPGs on the XBox:

  • Arx Fatalis
  • Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
  • Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance II
  • The Bard's Tale
  • Dungeon & Dragons: Heroes
  • The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind (Best RPG of that entire generation)
  • Fable
  • Jade Empire
  • Justice League: Heroes
  • Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
  • Marvel Ultimate Alliance
  • Shenmue II
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
  • Sudeki
  • X-Men: Legends
  • X-Men: Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse

I'd much rather play those games then yet another generic, turn-based, random encounter, spikey-haired hero game I've already played a 100 times.

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[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="Thenumber48"]Xbox 1Emerald_Warrior

 The Xbox doesn't even have 10 rpgs....

It has plenty of RPGs. But the focus is mostly on WRPGs rather than JRPGs, which I prefer. Here's a list of good action-RPGs or Westen-RPGs on the XBox:

  • Arx Fatalis
  • Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
  • Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance II
  • The Bard's Tale
  • Dungeon & Dragons: Heroes
  • The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind (Best RPG of that entire generation)
  • Fable
  • Jade Empire
  • Justice League: Heroes
  • Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
  • Marvel Ultimate Alliance
  • Shenmue II
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
  • Sudeki
  • X-Men: Legends
  • X-Men: Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse

I'd much rather play those games then yet another generic, turn-based, random encounter, spikey-haired hero game I've already played a 100 times.

I like almost all of those games, but outside of Kotor 1/2, Jade Empire, Morrowind, Fable, Sudeki and Shenmue 2, most of those games were multiplats and played better on the PS2, from my experience. Morrowind was an amazing game, but Morrowind on the PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Morrowind on the Xbox. The Xbox simply didn't have many great RPGs that were either exclusive or best on the Xbox, where as most other legacy systems had triple the quality exclusive RPGs, as well as great multiplat ones. Xbox really did have the best WRPGs though.

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It has plenty of RPGs. But the focus is mostly on WRPGs rather than JRPGs, which I prefer. Here's a list of good action-RPGs or Westen-RPGs on the XBox:

  • Arx Fatalis
  • Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
  • Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance II
  • The Bard's Tale
  • Dungeon & Dragons: Heroes
  • The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind (Best RPG of that entire generation)
  • Fable
  • Jade Empire
  • Justice League: Heroes
  • Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
  • Marvel Ultimate Alliance
  • Shenmue II
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
  • Sudeki
  • X-Men: Legends
  • X-Men: Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse

I'd much rather play those games then yet another generic, turn-based, random encounter, spikey-haired hero game I've already played a 100 times.

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Yes but the PS2 has most of those, so they still add into the PS2's list of RPG's.
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[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

It has plenty of RPGs. But the focus is mostly on WRPGs rather than JRPGs, which I prefer. Here's a list of good action-RPGs or Westen-RPGs on the XBox:

  • Arx Fatalis
  • Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
  • Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance II
  • The Bard's Tale
  • Dungeon & Dragons: Heroes
  • The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind (Best RPG of that entire generation)
  • Fable
  • Jade Empire
  • Justice League: Heroes
  • Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
  • Marvel Ultimate Alliance
  • Shenmue II
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
  • Sudeki
  • X-Men: Legends
  • X-Men: Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse

I'd much rather play those games then yet another generic, turn-based, random encounter, spikey-haired hero game I've already played a 100 times.

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Yes but the PS2 has most of those, so they still add into the PS2's list of RPG's.

I'll give you that. But the best games on that list are XBox exclusives:

  • Arx Fatalis
  • Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
  • Fable
  • Jade Empire
  • Shenmue II
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

There's not many PS2 RPGs that I'd personally put in that calibur of games, well except King's Field: The Ancient City.

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The PSX by far. For me, the PS2 is when JRPGs began their descent downhill. They were more linear (fact) and lacked the charm of their SNES/PSX predecessors (opinion).

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SNES by a long shot. It's pretty hard to beat games like Chrono Trigger, FF 3/6, and A Link to The Past.
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The PSX by far. For me, the PS2 is when JRPGs began their descent downhill. They were more linear (fact) and lacked the charm of their SNES/PSX predecessors (opinion).

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FF12, DQ8, KH1/KH2 (don't quite know if I consider these JRPGs or not), Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Legendia,FF10, Dark Cloud 1/2, SMT: Persona 3/4, and Rogue Galaxy are all far from "linear." And that's just off the top of my head.

I'd also say that games in that gen had much more personality and more distinguished identities. ToS, ToA, ToL, all of the SMT games for the PS2, etc... all had tons of character and very distinct atmospheres that they created via art styles, themes and soundtracks that complemented each other.

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My vote goes to PSX. Unbelievable system...especially for RPGs.

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easily ps2.
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PS2 had the best collection of every genre, but it also ties with PS1 because of Chrono Cross and such.
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[QUOTE="Bubble_Man"]

The PSX by far. For me, the PS2 is when JRPGs began their descent downhill. They were more linear (fact) and lacked the charm of their SNES/PSX predecessors (opinion).

elpooz

FF12, DQ8, KH1/KH2 (don't quite know if I consider these JRPGs or not), Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Legendia,FF10, Dark Cloud 1/2, SMT: Persona 3/4, and Rogue Galaxy are all far from "linear." And that's just off the top of my head.

I'd also say that games in that gen had much more personality and more distinguished identities. ToS, ToA, ToL, all of the SMT games for the PS2, etc... all had tons of character and very distinct atmospheres that they created via art styles, themes and soundtracks that complemented each other.

I love pretty much the RPG's you listed there, but most of those are definetly linear. I really don't get the hate on linear RPG's, I actually prefer them that way, that's why I prefer JRPG's.
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#23 elpooz
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[QUOTE="elpooz"]

[QUOTE="Bubble_Man"]

The PSX by far. For me, the PS2 is when JRPGs began their descent downhill. They were more linear (fact) and lacked the charm of their SNES/PSX predecessors (opinion).

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FF12, DQ8, KH1/KH2 (don't quite know if I consider these JRPGs or not), Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Legendia,FF10, Dark Cloud 1/2, SMT: Persona 3/4, and Rogue Galaxy are all far from "linear." And that's just off the top of my head.

I'd also say that games in that gen had much more personality and more distinguished identities. ToS, ToA, ToL, all of the SMT games for the PS2, etc... all had tons of character and very distinct atmospheres that they created via art styles, themes and soundtracks that complemented each other.

I love pretty much the RPG's you listed there, but most of those are definetly linear. I really don't get the hate on linear RPG's, I actually prefer them that way, that's why I prefer JRPG's.

What exactly makes any of those games linear :? ?

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In mosst of those you don't get to choose where you go next, it's mostly "from this town, you must go to this town, and get this, to go here", it's pretty much a set path that you can't choose to do in a different order. It's a "linear path". Like in Dragon Quest VIII, the start, for example, you have a set path, which is "Farebury > Cave (Boss) > Farebury > Alexandria", but you can't choose to go to Alexandria first, and that also happens in most other places, there's usually something stopping you from going there until you follow the order they set. In most WRPG's this isn't as common. The Persona games are also very linear, it's "Tartarus (Until available floor level) > School Life (Calender passes by) > Certain Date (Boss Battle) > Tartarus (more floors)", you can't choose to do one boss before doing another, it's just that set order they gave you. As I said though, I love those games (especially the 3 I just described), and I prefer them linear as they are. In most WRPG's it's more of a "create your story" kind of way, where you can do stuff in various different orders or different ways. This is, unless my definition of "linear" is wrong.
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#25 elpooz
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I think that's a VERY extreme definition of linear. That basically makes any game that has set plot events that are in a certain order a linear game. A linear game, to me, is a game like FF13, where you have basically no freedom to do anything but follow narrow corridors to the next battle and the next boss.

I just don't consider any game that has an open game world, that you're free to explore at any time, dungeons and environments that give you multiple routes/approaches to take to a final goal, and no real restriction on what you can do, where you can go, etc... to be a linear game. Skyrim, by that definition, is essentially linear. You go from the quest giver, to the person you're killing/item you're collecting, then back to the quest giver. It's not like you can switch and swap any of those steps, but that doesn't mean the game is linear :?. Demon Souls is another good example. In any given area, you have multiple paths you can take but there is a certain way you have to go to reach the next boss and transverse through the game. The game certainly isn't linear though, because you can go anywhere, at any given time, and nothing is forcing you to walk one straight line. In a game like FF13, there is NO WHERE you can go but straight, down the defined path, to the next story event/boss.

I especially don't see how games on the PS2 were more linear than those on the PSX. Look at FF12, for example, and the way environments/the game world are handled, and then look at how such are handled in FF7, FF8, and FF9. There is much more freedom, much more choice, and much more flexibility in FF12's exploration and "dungeon" crawling.

I just don't consider games with that level of freedom and exploration available linear :?.

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Tough call...very tough (if we ignore the fact that PS1 games can be played on a PS2, making a PS2 the only logical choice IMO) PS1: Suikoden 1 Suikoden 2 Vagrant Story Grandia Lunar SSS Lunar EB Tales of Eternia FF (almost all of them all the way up to FF9) Arc the lad 1-3 Star Ocean 2 Chrono Trigger Chrono Cross Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain Legend of Dragoon FF Tactics Saiyuki: Journey West Vandal Hearts PS2: *Shadow Hearts 1-3 -this is what puts the PS2 on top IMO (my favorite series) Suikoden 3 Suikoden 5 FFX, FFXII Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits Growlanser Generations Radiata Stories KH 1 and 2
SNES by a long shot. It's pretty hard to beat games like Chrono Trigger, FF 3/6, and A Link to The Past. bigfoot2045
PS1 had CT and FF6 as well
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In Skyrim you don't change the order of the process of each quest, because that would make no sense but you can pick the order of the quests, and lots you can choose if you do them or not. And there's lots of ways you can get to an objective. The games you named (Dragon Quest VIII, Persona 3/4), there isn't as much choice, in every dungeon there is the path to the objective, and other braches leading to treasures/dead ends, it's basically to fool the player a bit so you just don't walk straight into the boss. But essencially, that path is the ONLY path to get to your objective, there's no way around it. Like in Persona 3, you must wait to a certain date and the boss battle happens, there isn't any choice of doing it sooner/later/different way, and there isn't much room for exploration in it either, and in DQVIII, in most places stuff will be locked so you basically can only explore the open world and not actually the dungeons (as you would be able to in lots of WRPG's), like as I said before, you can't continue to Alexandria without doing the Cave Boss and going back to Farebury first, there's NO way around it, you can't go into the Alexandria Tower without going to Alexandria, you can't go into Maella Abbey witout talking to Angelo in Simpleton, etcetc, they make it so you have to take their set path to continue). There's no point in exploring in most JRPG's other than the fact that you'll be able to grind and maybe see some stuff (although lots of dungeons are blocked anyway, until you complete what they set for you). That makes you have to take their set path in their linear story, in lots of WRPG's, you can choose the order of stuff you do, and they'll still be storytelling and stuff during whatever route you take, while in JRPG's, if you go to point C without going to point B first, any story related things in point C are locked until you do what they wanted in point B. Let's put it like this WRPG: Let's say you take this path: Point A, Point D, Point B, Point E, Point C. And taking that path you'll get quests/storytelling in all of those Points, regardless of the order you took. In the average JRPG, if you take the path above, you either don't get quests or storytelling whatsoever, because you didn't go to one place before going to the next, or you can't even reach it because of the same reason. Don't get me wrong tough, I love JRPG's way more then I do WRPG's (I can't even name one I actually like, to be honest), but JRPG's for the most part are definetly linear games in my eyes.
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The Super Nintendo. For me, it isn't even close

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Probably PS1 and SNES. I'm not a huge fan of the PS2s RPG library compared to it's predecessor. It still has some gems, but not quite as many.

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I don't know what dude and Shock were talking about but the Xbox 1 had best rpgs in general that generation.         And the sequel to the above KOTOR 2 (Damn box links are not accepted on GS for some reason for KOTOR 2) Jrpgs:  (above is shin Megami Tensei 9 only on Xbox. Was released as is in America with english set to "On" but Box unchanged)    (above Thousand Land released in U.S. with english option set to on.) Compared to the many 2.o PS2 rpgs that are god damn terrible in many cases (With inflates scores because of many games getting points for having shelf space next to the good Ps2 rpgs and large nubers.) his is clearly the best rpg collection last gen. Much more variety, polish, and content. No repetition either.
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The only review I ever read for Tenerezza was quite an average score (64%). And it's only in Japanese, so is SMTNine (although I'd love to play SMTNine). Blackstone has 2.1 in GS, 4.2 Userscore and 44 Metacritic. Thousand Land was also released only in Japan. So in terms of JRPG's it's very poor, no comparison whatsover to the PS2's JRPG collection. I agree about the WRPG's though (kinda iffy on Fable though, I find it overrated). It really depends on what you prefer. Between the PS2 and XBOX, PS2's JRPG collection is much better than the XBOX's, and the XBOX's WRPG collection is muc better than the PS2's, there's little to say to go around that imo.
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[QUOTE="Dudersaper"]The only review I ever read for Tenerezza was quite an average score (64%). And it's only in Japanese, so is SMTNine (although I'd love to play SMTNine). Blackstone has 2.1 in GS, 4.2 Userscore and 44 Metacritic. Thousand Land was also released only in Japan. So in terms of JRPG's it's very poor, no comparison whatsover to the PS2's JRPG collection. I agree about the WRPG's though (kinda iffy on Fable though, I find it overrated). It really depends on what you prefer. Between the PS2 and XBOX, PS2's JRPG collection is much better than the XBOX's, and the XBOX's WRPG collection is muc better than the PS2's, there's little to say to go around that imo.

only about 7 Jrpgs on the Ps2 are actually considered "Good." that's a terible amount of bad Jrpgs. Also, Tanereaaz, SMT nine, and Treasure Land were released in the U.S. with the English option set to "On", all you have to do is find which ones on Ebay are the english versions. (same box cover.) So removing a ton of bad Jrpgs on the PS2, I think the Xbox Jrpgs are pretty much decent, not better but decent, conbined with the instant win of Wrpgs and that pretty much makes it the system to own for Rpgs (with the majority of multiplat rpgs looking and playing better as well.)
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I'd say more than just 7 JRPG's are good. Just the PS2's SMT library is that (Persona 3FES, Persona 4, Digital Devil Saga & DDS 2, Devil Summoner 1 & 2, Nocturne) Then you have DQVIII, say what you want, it doesn't do anything new, but it does everything RIGHT, and it's just a charming JRPG. Rogue Galxy, a great Action-RPG with great atmosphere and fun gameplay, and a fun weapon synthisize system. (also LOTS of fun sidequests) I just don't reccomend the .hack games because they really need to be played sided with watching the anime to really enjoy it, and it can get a bit repetitive, but still definetly I'd consider it "good". The list goes on but I think I've made my point, XBOX's JRPG list gives no competition to the PS2's. And are you completely sure about the english option in SMT Nine? Do you have a souce you could link me to? I really want it but I don't want to buy it and end up having it just japanese, because I did some research a few months ago and didn't find anything about english options..