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#1 _koi
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Most people seem to think that just playing video games or owning a gaming console (esp. Wii) doesn't mean that someone is a gamer.

What's the distinction between a casual gamer and a regular/hard-core gamer? Is it the number of games played? The types of games played?

Do enlighten me, please.

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#2 _AbBaNdOn
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if your favorite hobby/pasttime is playing video games then you are a gamer. What seperates casual from hardcore is a ton of different things. How you enjoy the games, how many you have played, what consoles you are open to, how long you have been playing. I dont like the terms. I think the only reason casual gamers get brought up is to explain why video games have become so crappy. Some people get pissed that so many games get sanatized and dumbed down so that any moron with no understanding of video gamees can pick up the game and play it(especially the Wii). Casual Gamer is a derogatory word in my opinion, its rarely used to mean something positive.

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#3 Video_Game_King
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Being a gamer is complex and requires certain knowledge and games played. Can't define it all, that'd be far too much time wasted.
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#4 thom_noa
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A gamer is a peson who plays video games regardless of his dedication. Period. There is no need for divisive terms like "hardcore" or "casual," and it is unfortunate that elitists are using the latter as to inflate their egos and "superior complex." Gaming is not a class war, nor it ever be treated like partisan politics.
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#5 ViewtifulScott
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A gamer is a peson who plays video games regardless of his dedication. Period. There is no need for divisive terms like "hardcore" or "casual," and it is unfortunate that elitists are using the latter as to inflate their egos and "superior complex." Gaming is not a class war, nor it ever be treated like partisan politics.thom_noa
Yet differences in dedication do exist, and will be recognized. It's obvious from your avatar and user name why you feel they shouldn't, but no one is going to give much credibility to someone with such obvious ulterior motives to everything they post. Core and Casual gamers have distinctive habits, preferences, and buying patterns. Their is nothing "elitist" about recognizing them, especially when your own company of choice, Nintendo, readily utilizes those two terms themselves on a daily basis. Ignoring those differences is nothing short of willful ignorance.
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#7 Iga_Bobovic
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gamer Definition

gamer (gām′ər)

noun

  1. an athlete who is game (); specif., one who is highly competitive, steadfast and reliable, etc., esp. in difficult situations
  2. a person who plays electronic games, board games, etc.

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#8 OneWingedAngeI
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anyone who plays video games of any kind is a gamer. there are varying degrees of intensity....so what? a gamer likes games.

 

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#9 SapSacPrime
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I think if somebody says they are a gamer they are, if they own a PC/console with one single game which they play how is it anybody elses right to get all up their own backside and tell them they aren't aloud into their exclusive club?
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#10 just_nonplussed
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the  terms 'hardcore' and 'casual' are stereotypical, sometimes meaningless terms.

who goes around calling themselves a hardcore gamer? why are you any more 'hardcore' for playing final fantasy VII rather than wii sports? it's all relative. what if you play both wii sports and FFVII? what if you just play wii sports constantly and beat a load of people in a tournament? what are you then? isn't that 'hardcore'?

one of the most silly divisions being made is between games like gears of war and games like animal crossing or mario games. how are you more hardcore for playing a game with high-end graphics and shooting and blood? it's completely ridiculous.

while some games are more complex than others in different ways, and while some gamers spend more time playing or take a deeper interest, i don't use those terms to label players or games. 

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#11 WR_Platinum
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Well if I defined the word "gamer", a gamer is a person who is dedicated to playing video games regardless of other activities in his/her life.

The hardcore gamer is a type of gamer that has been playin video games for a long time (ex. 10+ years) addictively and is still into that hobby with no sign of stoppin anytime soon. Also to add, the hardcore gamer is a gamer that is dedicated to find every nook and cranie (if thats how its spelled) in most (if not all) the games they have. I don't c-l-a-s-s-ify a person who doesn't have every console to not be a hardcore gamer because if that person doesn't like a certain console because the games in that console don't have games that he/she is interested.

Now for the casual gamer is a person who is introduced to the video game scene, who plays games whenever they have the time to do so, but is not dedicated to the games they own. They may own more than a couple of game systems, but don't neccessarily play much of them.

Those are my definitions of a "gamer" "hardcore gamer" and "casual gamer".

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#12 just_nonplussed
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Well if I defined the word "gamer", a gamer is a person who is dedicated to playing video games regardless of other activities in his/her life.

The hardcore gamer is a type of gamer that has been playin video games for a long time (ex. 10+ years) addictively and is still into that hobby with no sign of stoppin anytime soon. Also to add, the hardcore gamer is a gamer that is dedicated to find every nook and cranie (if thats how its spelled) in most (if not all) the games they have. I don't c-l-a-s-s-ify a person who doesn't have every console to not be a hardcore gamer because if that person doesn't like a certain console because the games in that console don't have games that he/she is interested.

Now for the casual gamer is a person who is introduced to the video game scene, who plays games whenever they have the time to do so, but is not dedicated to the games they own. They may own more than a couple of game systems, but don't neccessarily play much of them.

Those are my definitions of a "gamer" "hardcore gamer" and "casual gamer".

WR_Platinum

 

i must be both hardcore and casual then. cascore? hardual?

i've been playing games for 11 years and know quite a lot about them, but recently don't play that many games and tend to play shorter, quick games that aren't 80-hour RPG epics. but i have completed 80-hour RPG epics, including all FFs, most zeldas, xenogears, vagrant story, etc. and i've played an MMO for more than 2 years.  i'm in both categories according to you.

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#13 CRS98
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My definiton of a gamer is: Anyone who regularly plays games i.e. video games.

My definition for the difference between Hardcore and Casual gamers is the quality and quantity of games they own, and/or how good they are at the game and/or against other gamers.

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#14 ViewtifulScott
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terms 'hardcore' and 'casual' are stereotypical, sometimes meaningless terms.just_nonplussed
Not meaningless at all. Core (no hard, just Core) gamers and casual gamers are very different beasts. If I download SF2 HD this month and a bunch of friends are over to take turns, I'll end up beasting each and every one of them over and over, no lube. I'll have to dumb down my play style, if not throw a few matches, to keep them interested and playing. They just want to mash buttons and do some cool moves, and maybe win a match or two. My younger brother never did get past the "spam hadokens" phase. They are casual gamers, I am a core one. We are all gamers, but still very different FLAVORS of gamer. Vanilla and Birthday Cake ice cream are both ice cream, but they taste very differently. Ya dig? Their is nothing wrong with recognizing these differences, everyone in the industry does when they design a game and decide what kind of audience to target with it. I'm glad they do, because when developers don't see those differences and take feedback from the wrong crowd, they end up ruining great games. It's how we ended up with absolute filth like Devil May Cry 2.
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#15 Senor_Kami
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A gamer is a peson who plays video games regardless of his dedication. Period. There is no need for divisive terms like "hardcore" or "casual," and it is unfortunate that elitists are using the latter as to inflate their egos and "superior complex." Gaming is not a class war, nor it ever be treated like partisan politics.thom_noa

This guy hits the nail on the head.

From what i've seen, "Hardcore gamer" is a term created by people who:

- got into gaming with the PS2 and don't have a good understanding of the history of video games (its funny how with almost everything, there are 3 groups: super new to it, intermediate knowledge, and seasoned vets.  That intermediate group is always the most vocal in  judging others and trying to prove that they are up their with seasoned vets by bashing the hell out of the super new.  And this is true for fans of everything from games to movies)

- consider anything non-violent to be crap by default

- Are usually 17 or younger

- only play FPS or M games, because blowing up somebody's head is the mark of true maturity.

- define casual by the type of games you play, not how you play them.

I hate the word "hardcore" because of how people use it on sites like this, but if I was to define what I truly think it should mean, it would just be a person who plays alot of video games in multiple genres.  Regardless of what those genres are.  I think its laughable to say that someone with a Wii who constantly plays Mario Galaxy, Wii Sports, is dedicated to Wii Fit, and has like 3 other Wii games isn't hardcore into gaming just becuase they don't like games that are overly violent.

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#16 ViewtifulScott
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Yes, lets completely ignore the guy trying to make reasonable points and inject actual logic into this discussion and buy into sweeping generalizations that are every bit as "elitist and snobby" as the hardcore gamers supposedly ALL are. Next thread I'll make a passionate illogical sweeping generalization to so I can "hit the nail on the head". You guys do a good job of keeping those straw men down, yet you keep putting them back up, so redundant.
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#17 Senor_Kami
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Yes, lets completely ignore the guy trying to make reasonable points and inject actual logic into this discussion and buy into sweeping generalizations that are every bit as "elitist and snobby" as the hardcore gamers supposedly ALL are. Next thread I'll make a passionate illogical sweeping generalization to so I can "hit the nail on the head". You guys do a good job of keeping those straw men down, yet you keep putting them back up, so redundant.ViewtifulScott

All i've seen you do is commit ad hominem and then ironically bring up having logical arguments.

Not to mention that my post answered the question asked by the original poster.
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#18 ViewtifulScott
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Then you didn't read the right thread. If you disagree with my earlier posts, you are welcome to develop the courage to directly respond to them. My earlier example of the differences between core and casual gamers and why it warrants recognition would be a good place to start, if you like. In case you're lost, it's directly above your first reply.
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#19 OneWingedAngeI
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Then you didn't read the right thread. If you disagree with my earlier posts, you are welcome to develop the courage to directly respond to them. My earlier example of the differences between core and casual gamers and why it warrants recognition would be a good place to start, if you like.ViewtifulScott

 the only elitists are the ones that are so concerned about their own image that they need to subdivide people who like their hobby into little clicks. its lame and pointless. ya like to game? (nod). gamer. there are different levels of commitment to everything, and its really irrelevant to everyone except the person enjoying the hobby themselves. anything else is superficial nonsense.

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#20 Senor_Kami
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This is the original post. 

Most people seem to think that just playing video games or owning a gaming console (esp. Wii) doesn't mean that someone is a gamer.

What's the distinction between a casual gamer and a regular/hard-core gamer? Is it the number of games played? The types of games played?

Do enlighten me, please.

_koi

I hate the word "hardcore" because of how people use it on sites like this, but if I was to define what I truly think it should mean, it would just be a person who plays alot of video games in multiple genres.  Regardless of what those genres are.Senor_Kami

Viewtiful:

What did I misread about the thread?

In all honesty I haven't read a single post that you wrote outside of the one where you said that because a guy had a Mario character as his avatar, his opinion shouldn't be counted.

I don't have any particular issue with what you said because its not my avatar.  I think its illogical, but this is a message board and they aren't known for logical arguments.  I came in and responded to the original topic.  I don't know what your issue is.

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#21 thom_noa
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Their is nothing "elitist" about recognizing them, especially when your own company of choice, Nintendo, readily utilizes those two terms themselves on a daily basis. Ignoring those differences is nothing short of willful ignorance.ViewtifulScott
Regardless of my avatar (who represents is one of the most beautiful characters in the Nintendo universe), I am not a Nintendo fanboy.
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#22 ViewtifulScott
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the only elitists are the ones that are so concerned about their own image that they need to subdivide people who like their hobby into little clicks. its lame and pointless. ya like to game? (nod). gamer. there are different levels of commitment to everything, and its really irrelevant to everyone except the person enjoying the hobby themselves. anything else is superficial nonsense.OneWingedAngeI
Not irrelevant at all. If a developer has a long running series that appeals to core gamers, but goes out of it's way with a sequel to reach out to casual gamers, the core gamers experience greatly suffers for it, such as the static console versions of Oblivion. It HAS to be played on a PC with a dozen or more user mods to be a worthwhile RPG experience now, as the console versions are nothing more than a shiny action RPG with a Elder Scrolls theme. Also, as I pointed out with the Street Fighter example, I have to recognize those differences as well when playing games with others. I have to hold back or throw matches with my more casual friends to keep them interested, or pop in a much more button mashing friendly overall affair like DOA3 or Soul Calibur 2. But with at least one or two key people, I don't have to hold back at all, because even though they aren't necessarily into fighters, they are core gamers, and after several matches they start to adapt and learn to develop counter measure to my play style. As opposed to my more casual friends, who simply get frustrated and give up, and say "Why do you keep using the same move over and over?" rather than "Why do I keep letting you hit me with that same move over and over?" as the other Core gamers I know will do. I'm simply able to have a lot more fun with those one or two Core gamers than my more casual friends. Ignoring that Birthday Cake ice cream and Vanilla ice cream taste differently for the sake of not offending or "dividing" fans of one flavor or the other makes about as much sense to me, that is to say, it makes none. Sure, some people get carried away with it and proclaim their l33t hardc0r3 status and look down on casual players, I don't. Nor do I appreciate people painting me as being the same as them because I recognize those differences and refuse to give in to overwhelming pressure to buy into politically correct forum ideals of everyone being the exact same either.
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#23 OneWingedAngeI
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i fail to see how anything you just said is relevant to if someone is a gamer or not. again i assert that level of dedication is meaningless to whether or not someone is a gamer. the fact that you dont appreciate others painting you the same as others with less dedication is an issue of your own, no one else need concern themselves with it.

the core question of this topic is what makes someone a gamer? i reiterate my assertion that it is one simple factor: do they like to play video games? you are talking about different skill or dedication levels which have nothing to do with that question. 

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#24 ViewtifulScott
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I don't know what your issue is.Senor_Kami
The lumping of people who use the distinctive terms for different types of gamers into one pile of drooling gorey game playing Playstation era primates is my issue. I'm sorry if you take exception to me pointing out an obvious agenda in another posters contributions, but I tend to call it like i see it on that front. Shoot from the hip.
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#25 ViewtifulScott
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i fail to see how anything you just said is relevant to if someone is a gamer or not. again i assert that level of dedication is meaningless to whether or not someone is a gamer. the fact that you dont appreciate others painting you the same as others with less dedication is an issue of your own, no one else need concern themselves with it.

the core question of this topic is what makes someone a gamer? i reiterate my assertion that it is one simple factor: do they like to play video games? you are talking about different skill or dedication levels which have nothing to do with that question. 

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I know it has nothing to do with the original question, but thom_noa opened up a new discussion within this one with his sweeping generalizations of those who recognize the differences in dedication, to which I have responded. Not relevant to the overall question of whether or not someone is a gamer in the broader sense, but the differences in dedication are very much relevant and worth recognizing on the whole. Whether or not someone is making a game that has core or casual players in mind has a lot to do with whether or not I plunk down my fifty to sixty dollars. When these differences are erased, developers see us all as just "gamers" in the broad sense, and try to make games that appeal to everyone, but such games rarely fully satisfy anyone.
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#26 OneWingedAngeI
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well i think their original idea was that in terms of qualifying someone as a gamer or not, those terms shouldnt be taken into consideration. the differences between casual and hardcore is another discussion altogether. 
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Yes, lets completely ignore the guy trying to make reasonable points and inject actual logic into this discussion and buy into sweeping generalizations that are every bit as "elitist and snobby" as the hardcore gamers supposedly ALL are. Next thread I'll make a passionate illogical sweeping generalization to so I can "hit the nail on the head". You guys do a good job of keeping those straw men down, yet you keep putting them back up, so redundant.ViewtifulScott

Winner of the thread.Â