Did the Sega Saturn really have bad cutscenes for its day?

I assume you mean FMVs?

yes, the Saturn had issues with FMVs due to a lack of onboard video decmpression , meaning FMVs either had to be uncompressed but reduced in size (and thus quality) or compressed by software (Cinipak and Truemotion being the most popular codecs), which depended on the programmer's individual code.

now that being said, the Saturn's FMVs are not too bad.

I'm a big fan of the Saturn, but i have to admit, it had issues playing CGs. Not that all CGs on the Saturn were horrible (some actually were pretty good, like the intro of Mechwarior 2), but they were always better on the PlayStation.

just for a comparison , here are pics (taken directly from the consoles via a capture card) , of 3 examples of Saturn FMVs, and their PS1 counterparts.

Lunar Silver Star Story - A bad example of a Saturn FMV, if youre wondering why the picture is only 1/2 the screen, its actually like that in game, unlike the PS FMV which is nearly full screen, not to mention sharper.

thankfully most games on the Saturn do have better FMVs then this

Lunar Saturn

Lunar PS1

Grandia - a decent example of a Saturn FMVs, and most Saturn FMVs are of a similar quality to this, ie , they are either full screen but not as sharp (like Grandia) or they are just as sharp , but not full screen (though better then Lunar)

Grandia Saturn

Grandia PS1

Policenauts - a rare example of a Saturn FMV thats actually better then its PS1 counterpart. it looks just as sharp (though a bit darker) , runs at the same screen size, but actually runs at 24fps, as opposed to the 15fps the PS1 FMV runs in, making the Saturn FMV smoother in motion

Policenauts Saturn

Policenauts PS1

so yes, while Saturn FMVs are on average worse then their PS1 counterparts, if anybody tells you they are all rubbish, they are wrong.

Yeah, the video-cutscenes on a lot of the games are indeed poor quality. They have poor resolution and video quality on a lot of them. But then that's part of the charm of some of the games on Saturn. I LOVE the cutscenes on Shinobi Legions, it just screams 80s direct-to-video kung fu.

Yeah, the video-cutscenes on a lot of the games are indeed poor quality. They have poor resolution and video quality on a lot of them. But then that's part of the charm of some of the games on Saturn. I LOVE the cutscenes on Shinobi Legions, it just screams 80s direct-to-video kung fu.

Emerald_Warrior

Yeah, the video-cutscenes on a lot of the games are indeed poor quality. They have poor resolution and video quality on a lot of them. But then that's part of the charm of some of the games on Saturn. I LOVE the cutscenes on Shinobi Legions, it just screams 80s direct-to-video kung fu.

Emerald_Warrior

Shinobi Legions was one of my first Saturn games. Since i didn't own a Sega CD, and bought the Saturn on launch day, it was my first CD equipped videogame, so the world of FMVs was a new one to me. I remember that i was blown away by the FMVs of Shinobi Legions. I thought they were awesome, high tech for those times standards. To think about it nowdays is actually funny. About Shinobi Legions, great side scroller action game, but why the h*ll it didn't have a save feature is beyond me.

Sega CD was far worse imho.

Sega CD was far worse imho.

nameless12345

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Sega CD was far worse imho.

Darkman2007

Well the Saturn and PS1 3D games do look blocky and pixelated even on a RGB :P

N64 looks blocky and blurry though.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Sega CD was far worse imho.

nameless12345

Well the Saturn and PS1 3D games do look blocky and pixelated even on a RGB :P

N64 looks blocky and blurry though.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Yeah, the video-cutscenes on a lot of the games are indeed poor quality. They have poor resolution and video quality on a lot of them. But then that's part of the charm of some of the games on Saturn. I LOVE the cutscenes on Shinobi Legions, it just screams 80s direct-to-video kung fu.

Darkman2007

I use my PS1. If you're insinuating that the quality of cutscenes on PS1 and Saturn are equal, that's laughable. PS1 cutsenes are far and above better, they're smoother, they're clearer, and they don't have that digital blockiness as bad as the Saturn ones.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Yeah, the video-cutscenes on a lot of the games are indeed poor quality. They have poor resolution and video quality on a lot of them. But then that's part of the charm of some of the games on Saturn. I LOVE the cutscenes on Shinobi Legions, it just screams 80s direct-to-video kung fu.

Emerald_Warrior

I use my PS1. If you're insinuating that the quality of cutscenes on PS1 and Saturn are equal, that's laughable. PS1 cutsenes are far and above better, they're smoother, they're clearer, and they don't have that digital blockiness as bad as the Saturn ones.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Yeah, the video-cutscenes on a lot of the games are indeed poor quality. They have poor resolution and video quality on a lot of them. But then that's part of the charm of some of the games on Saturn. I LOVE the cutscenes on Shinobi Legions, it just screams 80s direct-to-video kung fu.

Emerald_Warrior

I use my PS1. If you're insinuating that the quality of cutscenes on PS1 and Saturn are equal, that's laughable. PS1 cutsenes are far and above better, they're smoother, they're clearer, and they don't have that digital blockiness as bad as the Saturn ones.

I forgot to mention Digital Dance Mix and D on the Saturn also have some pretty good FMVs , as does Soviet Strike.

Lunar Silver Star Story - A bad example of a Saturn FMV, if youre wondering why the picture is only 1/2 the screen, its actually like that in game, unlike the PS FMV which is nearly full screen, not to mention sharper.

thankfully most games on the Saturn do have better FMVs then this

Lunar Saturn

Lunar PS1

Darkman2007

The PlayStation version looks alot more blurry to me, and there are visible artifacts all over it - bad JPEG compression on the screen capture maybe?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

Lunar Silver Star Story - A bad example of a Saturn FMV, if youre wondering why the picture is only 1/2 the screen, its actually like that in game, unlike the PS FMV which is nearly full screen, not to mention sharper.

thankfully most games on the Saturn do have better FMVs then this

Lunar Saturn

Lunar PS1

doubutsuteki

The PlayStation version looks alot more blurry to me, and there are visible artifacts all over it - bad JPEG compression on the screen capture maybe?

naa, it actually looks like that. I actually use a pretty decent video capture so its pretty good,

I might post some more examples of some decent Saturn FMVs, just because I think that notion that Saturn FMVs are so much worse then PS1 FMVs is silly, at least from my personal experience with the system (I have 75 Saturn games , used to own more)

[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

Lunar Silver Star Story - A bad example of a Saturn FMV, if youre wondering why the picture is only 1/2 the screen, its actually like that in game, unlike the PS FMV which is nearly full screen, not to mention sharper.

thankfully most games on the Saturn do have better FMVs then this

Lunar Saturn

Lunar PS1

Darkman2007

The PlayStation version looks alot more blurry to me, and there are visible artifacts all over it - bad JPEG compression on the screen capture maybe?

naa, it actually looks like that. I actually use a pretty decent video capture so its pretty good,

I might post some more examples of some decent Saturn FMVs, just because I think that notion that Saturn FMVs are so much worse then PS1 FMVs is silly, at least from my personal experience with the system (I have 75 Saturn games , used to own more)

Okay...

Still doesn't look very sharp at all and looks like bad compression to me. Either on the video or the screen capture, or both; I couldn't say. Maybe it's because it's been upscaled (?)... and wasn't it originally on the Mega CD after all?

its not compression since its not a video, its a direct picture from the connection.

the other issue with it is that for the most part, my capture card only works with composite, so its not sharp.

all of my consoles use RGB ,except the N64 , PS2 , Dreamcast and PS3, so on screen , all of these look alot sharper.

yes it was on the Mega CD first, but that version is very different from the Saturn/PS remakes.

even between the remakes there are differences, like the Saturn having better music , something I can prove too

here are a few more examples of FMVs done well , and not so well on the Saturn, next to their PS1 counterparts in the multiplatform examples.

Panzer Dragoon - a bad example of a Saturn FMV , its an early game, and the video quality is not the greatest, its nowhere near full screen either

Resident Evil - an example of a decent FMV on the Saturn , its not as sharp as its PS1 counterpart, but somehow I doubt its "far worse" like Emerald Warrior claimed, as its certainly not bad either.

Resident Evil Saturn

Resident Evil PS1

Lunar 2 Eternal Blue - a good example of an FMV done on the Saturn , a bit worse then the PS1, but its very close , and certainly sharp for the time.

Lunar 2 Saturn

Lunar 2 PS1

Burning Rangers - a very good example of a Saturn FMV, very sharp even compared to PS1 FMVs, its a late game like Lunar 2 , so I guess video encoding on the Saturn was getting better.

again , Saturn FMVs on average are of an inferior quality to their PS1 counterparts, but saying r most of them are "far worse" is ludicrous.

but of course, if you listen to people with little experience with the system, all of these apparently look terible, but I advise people to use their eyes instead.

its something to think about.

its not compression since its not a video, its a direct picture from the connection.

the other issue with it is that for the most part, my capture card only works with composite, so its not sharp.

all of my consoles use RGB ,except the N64 , PS2 , Dreamcast and PS3, so on screen , all of these look alot sharper.

yes it was on the Mega CD first, but that version is very different from the Saturn/PS remakes.

even between the remakes there are differences, like the Saturn having better music , something I can prove too

Darkman2007

Hmm? The video was most certainly compressed before they put it on the game CD. And, well, it's a JPEG-file you posted here and that isn't a lossless format.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

its not compression since its not a video, its a direct picture from the connection.

the other issue with it is that for the most part, my capture card only works with composite, so its not sharp.

all of my consoles use RGB ,except the N64 , PS2 , Dreamcast and PS3, so on screen , all of these look alot sharper.

yes it was on the Mega CD first, but that version is very different from the Saturn/PS remakes.

even between the remakes there are differences, like the Saturn having better music , something I can prove too

doubutsuteki

Hmm? The video was most certainly compressed before they put it on the game CD. And, well, it's a JPEG-file you posted here and that isn't a lossless format.

[QUOTE="doubutsuteki"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

its not compression since its not a video, its a direct picture from the connection.

the other issue with it is that for the most part, my capture card only works with composite, so its not sharp.

all of my consoles use RGB ,except the N64 , PS2 , Dreamcast and PS3, so on screen , all of these look alot sharper.

yes it was on the Mega CD first, but that version is very different from the Saturn/PS remakes.

even between the remakes there are differences, like the Saturn having better music , something I can prove too

Darkman2007

Hmm? The video was most certainly compressed before they put it on the game CD. And, well, it's a JPEG-file you posted here and that isn't a lossless format.

I'm not really looking to get into an argument about which console was the most capable in the department of FMV (it doesn't interest me enough). I was simply saying that that PlayStation-capture looks worse than its Saturn counterpart - like I said: visible artifacts all over it, and blurriness -, and I suppose it might be because it's upscaled on the PlayStation. Either that or heavy JPEG compression has messed it up after you captured it. Whatever the case, it looks worse.

Darkman, you preference for Saturn knows no bounds. This shouldn't even be a discussion. Does Saturn have better arcade ports? You bet. Does Saturn have better space-ship shooters, yeah. Does Saturn have better 2D games, indeed. Does Saturn have great exclusives, definetly yes. But does it have better cutscenes than PSX, no way, not by a mile. Anyone with two eyes can see that without having to know a bunch of technical specs and compression rates. Yeah, I'm sure there are some exceptions as you've pointed out. But I'm talking about on average, and on average PSX has Saturn beat in this department without question.

Darkman, you preference for Saturn knows no bounds. This shouldn't even be a discussion. Does Saturn have better arcade ports? You bet. Does Saturn have better space-ship shooters, yeah. Does Saturn have better 2D games, indeed. Does Saturn have great exclusives, definetly yes. But does it have better cutscenes than PSX, no way, not by a mile. Anyone with two eyes can see that without having to know a bunch of technical specs and compression rates. Yeah, I'm sure there are some exceptions as you've pointed out. But I'm talking about on average, and on average PSX has Saturn beat in this department without question.

Emerald_Warrior

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Darkman, you preference for Saturn knows no bounds. This shouldn't even be a discussion. Does Saturn have better arcade ports? You bet. Does Saturn have better space-ship shooters, yeah. Does Saturn have better 2D games, indeed. Does Saturn have great exclusives, definetly yes. But does it have better cutscenes than PSX, no way, not by a mile. Anyone with two eyes can see that without having to know a bunch of technical specs and compression rates. Yeah, I'm sure there are some exceptions as you've pointed out. But I'm talking about on average, and on average PSX has Saturn beat in this department without question.

travisstaggs

No, but he did say I didn't know what I was talking about when I said PSX has better looking cutscenes than Saturn.

My first 32-bit console was the Saturn back in mid '95. When I read the topic's title I immediately thought of Megaman X4's FMVs on the Saturn. Back then I couldn't tell it was subpar compared to the PSX version but after playing MMX Collection a couple of years back the blurs of the Saturn's FMVs were obvious.

Its port of Myst was even worse now that I recall. If you watch the secret FMV about the game's history and development, you can barely see anything. It's blurry as a 56k quality video stream.

[QUOTE="travisstaggs"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

Darkman, you preference for Saturn knows no bounds. This shouldn't even be a discussion. Does Saturn have better arcade ports? You bet. Does Saturn have better space-ship shooters, yeah. Does Saturn have better 2D games, indeed. Does Saturn have great exclusives, definetly yes. But does it have better cutscenes than PSX, no way, not by a mile. Anyone with two eyes can see that without having to know a bunch of technical specs and compression rates. Yeah, I'm sure there are some exceptions as you've pointed out. But I'm talking about on average, and on average PSX has Saturn beat in this department without question.

Emerald_Warrior

No, but he did say I didn't know what I was talking about when I said PSX has better looking cutscenes than Saturn.

Wait a second-isn't there a variant of the Lunar remakes on Saturn that requires the MPEG decoder card for the FMV cutscenes? How do those look? (Or maybe you can't test that because you lack said decoder card. There certainly isn't much incentive to go get one...) That said, I generally expect games of that age to look rather blocky and low-res. Soviet Strike's FMV certainly doesn't impress these days, and Guardian Heroes has its fair share of compression too, but Burning Rangers looks decent. (Then again, having seen what modern H.264/AVC HD video looks like, just about anything is going to look like crap by comparison, at least technically.)NamelessPlayer

sadly I do not have the VCD card, as you said, there is little reason for getting it unless its cheap, and usually its not cheap.

though if you want to see the few games that support the VCD, there is a video online where someone who actually knows what they are talking about shows some of the few games that support the VCD card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1N7L6HBqYU&feature=channel_video_title

the capture card he has is very good, and its a good show of the VCD card.

frankly the quality of the FMVs that used the MPEG card are better then the PS1's FMVs, wheres without it on average, they look worse.

but here you go , more bad and good examples of Saturn FMVs.

Rampo - pretty awful example of a Saturn FMV, its full screen , but its blocky and pixelated , also the video is pretty choppy,and this game is an FMV game too so ..... when the main part of the game is this bad....

Tomb Raider - a meh sort of example, its not full screen , though its reasonably decent in quality, and ironically , the PS1 FMV looks almost the same for some reason.

Tomb Raider Saturn

Tomb Raider PS1

Shining Force 3 - a somewhat decent example , its full screen , but its not the sharpest , still much better then the likes of Rampo

Sillhouette Mirage - a pretty good example, full screen , somewhat sharp.

Bulk Slash - a good example of Saturn FMV , full screen and sharp, though not quite as sharp as what you would find typically on the PS1.

Last Bronx - excellent example of a Saturn FMV.

Deep Fear - another very good example, though not quite up to par with Last Bronx

so like my evidence shows, Saturn FMVs vary in quality quite a bit more then PS1 FMVs do (since the PS1 has a standard compression method in hardware, the Saturn does not).

now Emerald Warrior can call these exceptions (alot of exceptions don't you think :P ), or he can call me a fanboy with or without a play on words like he did several times before (which is a response I would expect from a 5 year old, not a grown adult like Emerald Warrior) , but the fact is , he has not provided any evidence to show me or anybody else that PS1 FMVs are "far better" then Saturn FMVs, he just mentioned something about Shinobi X that was unrelated to video quality.

in fact, I provided more evidence of bad and mediocre Saturn FMV then he has :P,

and I could post more examples of good and bad too,

I read a review of the console that said the cutscenes were bad even for the time. How?Tony-Baxter

especially in their first generations fmv really lacked but towards the end saturn had some promising fmv showings in games like panzer dragoon saga and deep fear imo

now Emerald Warrior can call these exceptions (alot of exceptions don't you think :P ), or he can call me a fanboy with or without a play on words like he did several times before (which is a response I would expect from a 5 year old, not a grown adult like Emerald Warrior) , but the fact is , he has not provided any evidence to show me or anybody else that PS1 FMVs are "far better" then Saturn FMVs, he just mentioned something about Shinobi X that was unrelated to video quality.

in fact, I provided more evidence of bad and mediocre Saturn FMV then he has :P,

and I could post more examples of good and bad too,

Darkman2007

I love your posts and your infatuation with the 16/32-bit era. Your detailed discussions on the Saturn especially make me nostalgic every time. I seriously look forward to browsing the "Legacy" forum mainly for your debates on games of the era.

However, I think you take people's lashes on your detailed discussions way too seriously. You need to stop caring whether or not someone balantly disagrees with you, even if he's in the wrong. It seems like you try to prove yourself everytime and frankly you don't have to. It's only a game console, and this is the internet. For all I know Emerald could be trolling you.

Take it easy man, you don't have to go this far. Your general breakdowns of Saturn and 32-bit games are greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE="Tony-Baxter"]I read a review of the console that said the cutscenes were bad even for the time. How?bultje112

especially in their first generations fmv really lacked but towards the end saturn had some promising fmv showings in games like panzer dragoon saga and deep fear imo

@Darkman

I didn't say anything about Panzer Dragoon, Tomb Raider, or Sonic 3D Blast, and my comment about Shinobi Legions was about me liking the game and loving it's cutscenes, nothing negative about it. And yeah, I stand by what I said despite your exceptions, Darkman. You're right, I own a handful of Saturn games. Again you bring that up when it was nowhere in the coversation. Just because I own a handful doesn't mean I haven't played or seen other Saturn games. I have played plenty of Saturn games I don't actually own. Like I said, I can't believe this is even a discussion. Watch Parasite Eve, RE: 2, FFVII, and others on PSX. It's not a comparison. And like I said, there are exceptions like in any comparison. But on average, this isn't even a contest. Saturn has it's strengths over PSX, no doubt, but cutscenes aren't one of those strengths.

@Darkman

I didn't say anything about Panzer Dragoon, Tomb Raider, or Sonic 3D Blast, and my comment about Shinobi Legions was about me liking the game and loving it's cutscenes, nothing negative about it. And yeah, I stand by what I said despite your exceptions, Darkman. You're right, I own a handful of Saturn games. Again you bring that up when it was nowhere in the coversation. Just because I own a handful doesn't mean I haven't played or seen other Saturn games. I have played plenty of Saturn games I don't actually own. Like I said, I can't believe this is even a discussion. Watch Parasite Eve, RE: 2, FFVII, and others on PSX. It's not a comparison. And like I said, there are exceptions like in any comparison. But on average, this isn't even a contest. Saturn has it's strengths over PSX, no doubt, but cutscenes aren't one of those strengths.

Emerald_Warrior

also if all my examples are exceptions as you say, then I expect you to start at least naming many more games then I did which have rubbish video quality like you said.

I mean , if they are exceptions , and if you indeed played lots of Saturn games it should be easy to name many more :P

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

@Darkman

I didn't say anything about Panzer Dragoon, Tomb Raider, or Sonic 3D Blast, and my comment about Shinobi Legions was about me liking the game and loving it's cutscenes, nothing negative about it. And yeah, I stand by what I said despite your exceptions, Darkman. You're right, I own a handful of Saturn games. Again you bring that up when it was nowhere in the coversation. Just because I own a handful doesn't mean I haven't played or seen other Saturn games. I have played plenty of Saturn games I don't actually own. Like I said, I can't believe this is even a discussion. Watch Parasite Eve, RE: 2, FFVII, and others on PSX. It's not a comparison. And like I said, there are exceptions like in any comparison. But on average, this isn't even a contest. Saturn has it's strengths over PSX, no doubt, but cutscenes aren't one of those strengths.

Darkman2007

So if you agree that on average PSX cutscenes do look better than Saturn ones, then what's the point of telling me I don't know what I'm talking about? You may not have come out frankly said that Saturn cutscenes look better than PSX ones, but when I say PSX looks better and then you say I don't know what I'm talking that sure seems like your saying Saturn cutscenes look better to me.

And yeah, I have played a lot more Saturn games. My best friend had one, which is what made want one later. Let's see here what I have played, not an incredibly huge list, but still a lot more than my own meager collection which is meager because the games are near impossible to find in my area:

• Alone in the Dark: Something or another, I don't remember the exact name but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the original
• Clockwork Knight
• Darius Gaiden
• Daytona Racing USA
• Die Hard
• Galactic Attack
• Nights Into Dreams
• Panzer Dragoon
• Panzer Dragoon: Saga (may not have been a legitimate copy, but paying $150 for a copy is criminal)
• Shinobi Legions
• Sonic 3D Blast
• Street Fighter: The Movie
• Tomb Raider
• Virtua Cop 1 & 2
• Virtua Fighter 1 & 2
• Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
• WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game
• X-Men: Children of the Atom
• There was also a 2D beat-em up game we played a lot that looked like it could have been on SNES or Genesis even. It had some RPG elements added to it that made it more fun than the average beat-em up but I can't remember the name of it, either.

Now I haven't played a ton of Japanese stuff like I'm sure you have. But I'd say that's a pretty good sampling of the U.S. library. I probably missed a few I'm forgetting about, I'm sure.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

@Darkman

I didn't say anything about Panzer Dragoon, Tomb Raider, or Sonic 3D Blast, and my comment about Shinobi Legions was about me liking the game and loving it's cutscenes, nothing negative about it. And yeah, I stand by what I said despite your exceptions, Darkman. You're right, I own a handful of Saturn games. Again you bring that up when it was nowhere in the coversation. Just because I own a handful doesn't mean I haven't played or seen other Saturn games. I have played plenty of Saturn games I don't actually own. Like I said, I can't believe this is even a discussion. Watch Parasite Eve, RE: 2, FFVII, and others on PSX. It's not a comparison. And like I said, there are exceptions like in any comparison. But on average, this isn't even a contest. Saturn has it's strengths over PSX, no doubt, but cutscenes aren't one of those strengths.

Emerald_Warrior

So if you agree that on average PSX cutscenes do look better than Saturn ones, then what's the point of telling me I don't know what I'm talking about? You may not have come out frankly said that Saturn cutscenes look better than PSX ones, but when I say PSX looks better and then you say I don't know what I'm talking that sure seems like your saying Saturn cutscenes look better to me.

And yeah, I have played a lot more Saturn games. My best friend had one, which is what made want one later. Let's see here what I have played, not an incredibly huge list, but still a lot more than my own meager collection which is meager because the games are near impossible to find in my area:

• Alone in the Dark: Something or another, I don't remember the exact name but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the original
• Clockwork Knight
• Darius Gaiden
• Daytona Racing USA
• Die Hard
• Galactic Attack
• Nights Into Dreams
• Panzer Dragoon
• Panzer Dragoon: Saga (may not have been a legitimate copy, but paying $150 for a copy is criminal)
• Shinobi Legions
• Sonic 3D Blast
• Street Fighter: The Movie
• Tomb Raider
• Virtua Cop 1 & 2
• Virtua Fighter 1 & 2
• Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
• WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game
• X-Men: Children of the Atom
• There was also a 2D beat-em up game we played a lot that looked like it could have been on SNES or Genesis even. It had some RPG elements added to it that made it more fun than the average beat-em up but I can't remember the name of it, either.

Now I haven't played a ton of Japanese stuff like I'm sure you have. But I'd say that's a pretty good sampling of the U.S. library. I probably missed a few I'm forgetting about, I'm sure.

as I said, I agree that Saturn FMVs are on average worse, but saying the are much worse is a big exaggeration , there are just as many Saturn gaems with good FMVs as there are with rubbish FMVs. yes, Saturn FMVs that look nicer then their PS counterparts are exceptions, but decent FMVs on the Saturn are not.

I think that beat em up you are talking about is Guardian Heroes, I had it, disliked it , sold it for about £25 which is too low compared to what it goes for now.

also which Die Hard game? there was Die Hard Trilogy which was awful on the Saturn (it was mediocre on the PS1, but it was awful on the Saturn), or Die Hard Arcade which was awesome.

I paid £60 for a copy of Panzer Saga, but that was some years ago, its more expensive now

but looking at that list, the only games I would say are impressive in any way are Panzer Saga , Virtua Cop 2 , and Virtua Fighter 2, the rest of them are for the most part mediocre or very weak by Saturn standards.

now that does not mean they are bad games, Daytona which looks rubbish is still a really great racing game, Nights is great fun , Tomb Raider is good,too, but visually most are pretty weak, I wouldnt say they represent the Saturn's capabilities well. :P

I could easily recommend you some US games you can find for a decent price if you wish,

for instance, if you liked Quake 2 on the PS1, Quake 1 on the Saturn is one I would recommend.

I actually had pictures of my Saturn collection put up on Gamespot, its pretty insane :P

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I AM THE GOD OF SEGA SATURN. QUESTION MY KNOWLEDGE I DARE YOU

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