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#1 juliankennedy23
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What were your disappointments for the year?

For me on a personal basis it was Alpha Protocol: Thank God I was to busy playing RDR to pre-order this. I was so looking forward to this game. Mass Effect meets James Bond. Instead a buggy unfinished mess with some of the most lethargic voice acting around.


PC Game: Final Fantasy XIV: When you do beta testing you probably shouldn't charge for the game. I'm sure PC gamers are thrilled to be in the position to help Square/Enix shine up their PS3 MMO. Bad design decisions piled on bad design decisions. Unlike APB (RIP) Final Fantasy XIV should work as a game concept and this isn't Square's first trip to the rodeo. The unfinished nature and bizarre choices made in the release is simple inexcusable

Nintendo Wii: Virtual Console: Shovelware my friend is Nintendo. Xbox Indie games has a better hit/miss ratio than this mess. And at least Indie games run all of a buck in most cases,

Xbox 360: Crackdown 2: Zombie DLC is all the rage. Charging $60 for your zombie DLC does however takes some big brass ones. We heard all the excuses... The developer only had six months, math is hard, little Timmy got sick ect... This most have been the most profitable game in Xbox360 history cause if it cost more than $100,000 to put on a few new skins on the exact same Crackdown game I will eat my hat.

PS3: Gran Turisimo 5: Good News it plays just like GT 3... bad news, it plays just like GT 3. Driving simulator? Making use of opponent cars to make turns at high speed check. Ignoring S curves without penalty. Check. As a car collecting game it is an even bigger disaster. What exactly is the point of collecting 1000+ cars if you can't customize them again? Saints Row 2 did car collecting better for Gods sake. Add on bloat, graphical inconsistency, online woes and a horrible use of the Top Gear license (Did they even watch the show) and you have a bit of a fiasco.


Multiplatform: Final Fantasy XIII: If I wanted to watch a 20 hour anime I would have bought one. The first twenty hours are a like a quick time event with only one button to push. I have had more interactivity fast forwarding through porn.



So these are my disappointments for 2010. What are your guys.

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#2 Jbul
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I think you nailed most of 'em. Crackdown 2 was a joke. I can't believe the game even got released. I'd add Epic Mickey on there, too. It was hyped as AAA, and it looks like a "C" or "B".

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#3 sakshamH
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What were your disappointments for the year?

For me on a personal basis it was Alpha Protocol: Thank God I was to busy playing RDR to pre-order this. I was so looking forward to this game. Mass Effect meets James Bond. Instead a buggy unfinished mess with some of the most lethargic voice acting around.


PC Game: Final Fantasy XIV: When you do beta testing you probably shouldn't charge for the game. I'm sure PC gamers are thrilled to be in the position to help Square/Enix shine up their PS3 MMO. Bad design decisions piled on bad design decisions. Unlike APB (RIP) Final Fantasy XIV should work as a game concept and this isn't Square's first trip to the rodeo. The unfinished nature and bizarre choices made in the release is simple inexcusable

Nintendo Wii: Virtual Console: Shovelware my friend is Nintendo. Xbox Indie games has a better hit/miss ratio than this mess. And at least Indie games run all of a buck in most cases,

Xbox 360: Crackdown 2: Zombie DLC is all the rage. Charging $60 for your zombie DLC does however takes some big brass ones. We heard all the excuses... The developer only had six months, math is hard, little Timmy got sick ect... This most have been the most profitable game in Xbox360 history cause if it cost more than $100,000 to put on a few new skins on the exact same Crackdown game I will eat my hat.

PS3: Gran Turisimo 5: Good News it plays just like GT 3... bad news, it plays just like GT 3. Driving simulator? Making use of opponent cars to make turns at high speed check. Ignoring S curves without penalty. Check. As a car collecting game it is an even bigger disaster. What exactly is the point of collecting 1000+ cars if you can't customize them again? Saints Row 2 did car collecting better for Gods sake. Add on bloat, graphical inconsistency, online woes and a horrible use of the Top Gear license (Did they even watch the show) and you have a bit of a fiasco.


Multiplatform: Final Fantasy XIII: If I wanted to watch a 20 hour anime I would have bought one. The first twenty hours are a like a quick time event with only one button to push. I have had more interactivity fast forwarding through porn.



So these are my disappointments for 2010. What are your guys.

juliankennedy23

Spot on!! MInes are Just Cause 2 Mafia 2 And like you said, FF XIV..

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#4 anthonycg
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Wow. That list sounds about right lol.

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#5 NiteShadeX
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Black Ops. Somewhere between the AAAAAAA Hype, the fact MW2 was so bad, the 2nd hat developer, Activbarons, the poor netcode, the shoddy weapon balance, the terrible spawn system, the dumb design choices, the poor maps, the worthless campaign, and the matchmaking and party issues, Call of Duty has lost all appeal to me. I can only hope this series enjoys the same slow painful death as Tony Hawk and Guitar Hero...

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Yeah GT5 had no reasonably priced car to compare to the real times... How ironic, one of their most features things was the top gear test track and they didn't even add the Suzuki Liana or Chevrolet Lacetti or Kia Cee'd.... Thats a real kicker for me especially since the physics are supposed to be really accurate and there's no real chance of matching yourself to Simon Cowell or Jimmy Carr...
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My biggest dissapointment was that yet again, The Elder Scrolls 5 has not come out......

2 fallouts in 4 years.......1 Elder Scrolls in 4 yrs.......weak

oh yea and the witcher not comin out for ps3

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#8 James161324
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There was a good deal this last quater.

Medal of Honor, 4hr campaign and a mp weaker than an xbl game.

Halo Reach, multiplayer went to far away from what h3 was.

Call of Duty Blackops, lag, frame issues, and a re skinned mp on a worse engine.

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#9 speedfreak48t5p
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Black Ops use the same Engine as Modern Warfare 2. Sure looks gorgeous in Single Player though.

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#10 altairs_mentor
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The ending to Black ops. Should have had a twist, should have had a twist. and it should have been longer. And mason was being less and less of a bada$$ and more of a normal soldier. I wanted to be Hudson more.
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Yeah GT5 had no reasonably priced car to compare to the real times... How ironic, one of their most features things was the top gear test track and they didn't even add the Suzuki Liana or Chevrolet Lacetti or Kia Cee'd.... Thats a real kicker for me especially since the physics are supposed to be really accurate and there's no real chance of matching yourself to Simon Cowell or Jimmy Carr...JohnF111

Not to mention a change to beat Helen Mirren's time or race against Gordon Ramsey's ghost....

Plus they have a used car lot where is the drive a cheap used car through Alabama while rednecks throw rocks at you challange????

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Dead Rising 2 - I found no reason at all to bother with combos (beat 98% of the game with spiked bats and running around looking for parts was a waste of time - this coming from someone who had one of the highest scores in the world on Case Zero and on DR infinite mode), the timed aspect was more irritating than in the first game, terrible story developments in the last sections of the game and no Survival or infinite mode (i forget the name - it was the final mode you unlocked in DR), which was my favorite part of DR1. The fact that as soon as I beat it I had zero interest in ever playing it again is just plain wrong considering what kind of game it is. Fallout New Vegas - quests and writing were superior and smarter than what was in F3, overall a more interesting game - but the fact that they released it using the same engine and managed to make it about 4 times as buggy and glitchy is absolutely astounding. I had two game breaking bugs and countless glitches (stuck on environment, companions disappear though the game thinks they are still with you, quests that were broken for no discernible reason etc) and I can't believe how many times I ran in to blatant invisible walls. I'm still disgusted and vowed to not buy or play anything else in the series, no matter what it is, if it is released using the same engine. I will also never buy another game made by Obsidian within the first 3 months of release.
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I actually really enjoyed Alpha Protocol. It's good fun if you give it a chance. I found New Vegas something of a disappointment, I just didn't enjoy it nearly as much as Fallout 3.
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#14 jarhead1990
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Halo Reach - bad competitive multiplayer

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My biggest disappointment of 2010 has to be Fable 3...bought the Collectors Edition and stopped playing after 2 weeks...nothing to do after you finish the game...

Oh, and what's up with charging $1 for Black Dye?

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#16 anthonycg
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I actually really enjoyed Alpha Protocol. It's good fun if you give it a chance. I found New Vegas something of a disappointment, I just didn't enjoy it nearly as much as Fallout 3.Nooberman2k

I feel bad because I got Nina's name wrong.

It's Nina right?

Oh boy...

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#17 xSkiFreeProMLGx
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PC Game: Final Fantasy XIV: When you do beta testing you probably shouldn't charge for the game.

This is the only one I take issue with, mainly because if you were paying attention during FFXI's run, you probably completely expected FFXIV to come out in beta state, if that. Same thing happened with XI and each and every one of the expansions.

So it's not disappointing, so much as it is "Squeenix fulfilling really negative expectations."

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#18 acidicadis
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Sims 3 for the Wii. -.-

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#19 SpaceMarineTom
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Dead Rising 2 was far too similar to the first which made it rather disappointing for those expecting an actual sequel.
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#20 gbpack4230
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lol you just trashed 2 of the better games made this decade? Black Ops-Addicting, id have to say I like 80-85% of the maps but don't HATE any of the maps it's very well balanced not as much crap as Modern Warfare's Shotguns and Noob Toob Halo Reach-Halo=Amazing.....sure it's not my favorite halo nor my 2nd but the worst Halo is still an above average game
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#21 gbpack4230
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I wouldn't say Reach has a "bad" multiplayer.........it's just not as impressive competitvely as the others it has a lot more opportunities but lacks good maps right now
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#22 MathMattS
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My only major disappointment this year was Naughty Bear. That game could have been so much more.

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Metal Gear Solid 4.

A story so bad that it still disappoints over two years later.

Runners-up would be:

The PS3 itself, for being the first system I ever spent more time updating than playing.

And the 360, for charging more for LIVE and paying portions of monthly LIVE dues to Activision for exclusive or early DLC. Shameful.

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#24 Elann2008
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I agree with everything except Alpha Protocol. I actually like that game a lot. And I disagree with the other post. Just Cause 2 is a lot of fun.
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Alien vs Predator - I was really hoping this would have been better, haven't had a satisfying game in the Aliens universe since AVP2 a few years back, hopefully Gearbox gets with it and finished Aliens: Colonial Marines, seems like that one is taking forever, hope it's worth the wait. Bioshock 2 - don't get me wrong, it was a decent game, but the first game really blew me away and I was hoping for more of the same, I think the development team spent too much time working on the multiplayer I didn't care for God of War 3 - I really loved God of War 1 & 2, but God of War 3 felt like a letdown to me, I felt the game was too short for starters, I didn't find the boss battles to be as satisfying as God of War 2's, there wasn't nearly the same level of challenging filler combat which really disappointed me, if the game had been as solid as God of War 2 with the production value of God of War 3 it probably would have been my favorite game this year... anyhow, guess I should have seen this coming when David Jaffe wasn't going to be involved.
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#26 juliankennedy23
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My only major disappointment this year was Naughty Bear. That game could have been so much more.

MathMattS

I agree, I wish Naughty Bear could have been good. I would love a Friday the 13th game where you play as Jason or a free roaming Jaws game where you play as the shark.

I didn't put it as a dissapointment simply because I never thought it would be all that good to begin with.

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#27 Nooberman2k
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a free roaming Jaws game where you play as the shark.

juliankennedy23
There was something along those lines on PC about 7 years ago.
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I would have to agree with Crackdown 2 being a disappointment. While I did enjoy playing through the game, it was not a sequel, it was the same exact game as Crackdown with zombie and less enemy and mission variety.

I also agree with Medal of Honor, the single player campaign was somewhat of a joke compared to any of the call of duty games and even compared to the battlefield 2 single player campaign. Add in an at best average multiplayer mode, this game was not worth the hype during the summer or the $60 I spent on it.

I also was disappointed games like Blur, Split Second, Alan Wake, and Vanquish were not a commerical success. I only say this because if anything 2010 had less new IPs and game innovation. While I love the blockbuster sequels out there, its nice to experience the new IPs that offer a fresh change in video game scene.

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#29 agpickle
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I wouldn't say Reach has a "bad" multiplayer.........it's just not as impressive competitvely as the others it has a lot more opportunities but lacks good maps right nowgbpack4230
Just have to ask why your profile says you rated Super Meat Boy as a 1.0? Yet you have Halo: Reach as a 10, even though you say its not even the best Halo game and the multiplayer is disappointing. That makes me sad.

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#30 flowersjf
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My biggest dissapointment was that yet again, The Elder Scrolls 5 has not come out......

2 fallouts in 4 years.......1 Elder Scrolls in 4 yrs.......weak

oh yea and the witcher not comin out for ps3

2112_Discovery
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#31 kmart_43210
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Haha, I definitely agree with Crackdown 2. I had fun playing it my friends all release day... and we literally plowed through the entire thing in like 4 hours. We were like, "...Wait, is that it?"
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#32 DJ-Lafleur
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Resonance of fate. Not a bad game, but nowhere near as good as I hooped it would be after all I was hearing of it. The game had some nice ideas, but some other ideas really detracted from the gameplay for me.

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#33 StringerBellRIP
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For me it would have to be Fallout New Vegas. Its way too similar to Fallout 3 and its just boring. Commercialy Im dissapointed that Blur didnt do bigger numbers. Its one of the best online racers I have ever played and noone noticed.
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#34 fLaMbOaStiN
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Heres my list -

P/C: The MMORPG Genre as a whole.. This year we saw releases of terrible MMO's! FFXIV was on the forefront and even 2months after release its still a terrible mess.. The one good MMORPG i saw released this year was Prepetuum.. And the only reason i say it's "good" is because it's from a 10man indy team.. It's very simular to EvE, but with mechs.. So if EvE wasn't you're thing Prepetuum isn't gonna be either.. I played it in open beta but it jus didn't have enough content to sway me from EvE or my current F2P MMO i'am playing.. Next year looks better though with Rift, TERA, SWTOR, Archeage, and GW2 being released.

When it comes to consoles i'd have to agree Alpha Protocol was a huge disapointment.. It was a game i had been following for over a year and the more and more gameplay videos i saw the more and more i knew i'd be disapointed with it.. Obsidians gameplay videos didn't even hide the terrible AI; it actually SHOWCASED the AI lol.. I was hopeing it'd be fixed at release but it wasn't.. Atleast they redeemed themselves with Fallout: New Vegas, but that game too was filled with its fair share of bugs.. And i don't know if its even been patched yet? I prolly put in about 40 hours until the bugs just got too unbearable now i been waiting a month for a new update last time i checked a few days ago it wasn't there.

Another game i was disapointed about would be Battlefield: BC2 and Medal of Honor.. I was mainly disapointed about BFBC2 because of the changes they made compared to BFBC1.. The maps were way more smalled and streamlined compared to BFBC1's HUGE massive maps.. They got rid of the motor gun.. And lets face it, ever since CoD released with prestigeing and stuff it seems like that kind of system would be perfect to implement into BFBC2 but it wasnt.. The customization compared to CoD is embaressing.. Hopefully they do better on BFBC3.. And Medal of Honor played like a inferiour CoD IMO.


But lots of good games this year too.. Still playing Black Ops :)

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#35 fLaMbOaStiN
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Metal Gear Solid 4.

A story so bad that it still disappoints over two years later.

Runners-up would be:

The PS3 itself, for being the first system I ever spent more time updating than playing.

And the 360, for charging more for LIVE and paying portions of monthly LIVE dues to Activision for exclusive or early DLC. Shameful.

Shame-usBlackley



I'd consider MGS4 the best PS3 exclusive game released ever.. But thats just my opinion.

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#36 Anthrizacks
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Halo Reach is synonymous with 'disappointment.' Worst excuse for a Halo game and competitive shooter that I've seen in awhile. I spent nine years of my life playing Halo games for it to culminate in that?
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#37 Simolius
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My desappointment of 2010 was to not being able to find the perfect PSP game for christmas
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#38 SteveTabernacle
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Resonance of Fate. The battle system is clunky, and the gun-fu gimmick gets old mega quick, like within the first ten minutes of the game. The story is a mess, the characters are weird and unlikable. The second most grossly overrated JRPG on GS, ever. Right behind Suikoden 3. NFS: Hot Pursuit. The AI cheats, and doesn't even try to hide it. The racing genre is the single most stagnant of them all. Using the same tricks they had to employ when actual decent AI was not technologically possible are simply not excusable in the year 2010. At all. Heavy Rain. I liked Dragon's Lair when I was little, and when it hit PSN the other week, I snapped it right up. But that was for nine bucks. Heavy Rain was a sixty dollar Dragon's Lair. Good story, just not enough game for a full retail price. The implementation of sixaxis stuff in some scenes was infuriatingly bad as well. Goldeneye 007. It's a COD game wearing a James Bond skin, and not even the right James Bond at that. I liked Daniel Craig in Casino Royale and Quantam of Solace. But Pierce Brosnan is the Bond Goldeneye. Their just isn't anything special about the game to make it stand out. They'd have been better off releasing the classic game as a download on WII, and allowing the completed HD version to be released on the 360. Stop trying to recreate the magic of the first game, it won't work. Fable 3. Peter M learned nothing from the disastrous Fable 2. It has pretty much all the same flaws and simplistic unsatisfying combat, and the graphics engine is showing considerable age, as well the art style simply wearing out it's welcome. Literally the only improvement I found was that the main characters had voice acting. Awful game.
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#39 Planeforger
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Hm, I can't actually think of anything I was really disappointed with. I've generally made good purchases all year long, and I've been buying games every few weeks, so I don't know how that works. Then again, I enjoyed games like Alpha Protocol and Resonance of Fate. Perhaps I'm just more tolerant of mediocre gameplay decisions if there's something in the game that I like?
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#40 fLaMbOaStiN
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Hmm all this talk of Resconse of Fate worries me as i was planning on picking this game up when it hit the bargain bin.. Man, JRPGs are running short on next-gen consoles.. It's a shame that companys like Namco Bandai release Splatter House instead of JRPGs like Shadow Hearts.. Atlus gave us Demon Souls but no good JRPG besides Disgaea for the ps3 which wasn't all that great.. Then Square Enix disapoints with FF13 which wasn't bad, but like i said, still disapoints.. Not to mention that other game they released a few months back about helping you're daughter or w/e.. That game was gonna be some big 6 series game but i dont think it even broke 100k sold in the USA it was that bad lol..

Ugh.. PS1/2 still have the best selection of JRPGs.. Only reason RPGs are doing good as a whole with next gen consoles is thanks to western rpgs like Mass Effect, Oblivion, and Fallout.

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#41 S0lidSnake
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I cant think of a single disappointment from any games I played this year. All games i played were fantastic experience and while Enslaved, Castlevania, GT5, Just Cause 2,and Assassin's Creed Brotherhood have some issues they are all fantastic games. Their good outweighs the bad.

Halo Reach, MAG, Lara Croft, God Of War 3, Heavy Rain were all incredible experiences.

I suppose my one minor disappointment would be that Limbo turned out to be a puzzle game instead of an adventure game, but that's expecting too much.

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#42 OmenIWF
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Sorry this is a narrow choice but I have only really used my PS3 this year due to one thing or another.

Alpha Protocol:
This game sounded so good when they were doing all the pre-release publicity for it, and it could really have been so good to, but it felt like it'd been rushed out, with all the bugs, glitches, errors, and problems intact, and then to add insult to injury none of them were patched (from memory having played it less than 10 hrs, I would hazard a guess that most problems could not be patched), the controls were simple horrible too.

Medal Of Honor:
I was looking forward to this, then after they did the beta-testing and people started discussing the many many problems, I wasn't so keen, but then i saw the videos of the game after release and it looked good, and it was, to a point. MOH was (I think I am right in saying) the first of this genre, but this game was trying so hard to be COD, it was embarrassing.On top of that thesingle player story was, while beinggood, pretty short, and the less said about the various problems with multi-player the better. The one saving grace for it was, I guess, it was a reboot for the franchise, and as such, is a good place to start from, but will needimprovements in the (expected) next installment in 2011.

Mafia II:
Where to start? The demo looked really good, bit unfinished but, it was after all a demo. Fast forward to the release and the game is absolutely bloody awful. The fact your playing chapters in the guys life, spread anything from a few months to a year apart are a real problem as there is no continuity and it feels like your watching the plot lines on fast forward. The actual game is fun but really short, and began to get repetative fairly quickly. On top of that there is absolutely nothing else to do, other than collect a few magazines and pictures, once you finish the story your pretty much left to trade the game in as there is literally no reason to keep it, unless you get the ad-ons. This is where 2k really come into their own in the dissappointment stakes as both the missions ad-ons are really bad. They are lacklustre, boring, short, pointless, not fun, actually, there I am sure if you have played either or both you'll have your own negative comments to add so feel free to.

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My biggest dissapointment was that yet again, The Elder Scrolls 5 has not come out......

2 fallouts in 4 years.......1 Elder Scrolls in 4 yrs.......weak

oh yea and the witcher not comin out for ps3

oh yeh this just nailed it for me
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#44 alanthreonus
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Civilization V. I know it's gotten rave reviews, but any real Civ player will tell you that it's a shallow, incomplete mess, and Civ IV was infinitely better.

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#45 Devil_Lady
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Though I can't say a whole lot since I didn't play much of it, Final Fantasy XIII. I just don't like it.

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Civilization V. I know it's gotten rave reviews, but any real Civ player will tell you that it's a shallow, incomplete mess, and Civ IV was infinitely better.alanthreonus

I think it's the best Civ yet. It's streamlined, yes, but it hasn't lost any of its depth. In fact, I would argue it's deeper than ever. No fluff, every feature is well-developed and really matters.

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I mean no offense, but you must not be a very high level player if you think that. There are dozens of possible strategies to choose from in Civ IV, and you have to carefully consider the map and your opponents when deciding which one to pursue. In Civ V the best strategy is always to befriend Maritime City States, build lots of cities, and conquer your opponents with horsemen. It takes a lot of time and dedication to beat the AI on Deity in Civ IV. It doesn't take much to do that in Civ V.

Also, not every feature is well-developed or matters. Militaristic City States are useless, and diplomacy is basically nonexistent.

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Natural Selection 2, i know it isn't out yet but for a game that was supposed to be out a while ago the beta they have out is pathetic. Want my $40 back.

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#49 SteveTabernacle
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Civilization V. I know it's gotten rave reviews, but any real Civ player will tell you that it's a shallow, incomplete mess, and Civ IV was infinitely better.

alanthreonus
When you start creating labels like "real civ player" you insinuate anyone who disagrees with you is not being honest, is ignorant, or is simply not as good as you assume you are. That's when you need to realize you are taking this videogame stuff way too seriously.
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#50 UpInFlames
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I mean no offense, but you must not be a very high level player if you think that. There are dozens of possible strategies to choose from in Civ IV, and you have to carefully consider the map and your opponents when deciding which one to pursue. In Civ V the best strategy is always to befriend Maritime City States, build lots of cities, and conquer your opponents with horsemen. It takes a lot of time and dedication to beat the AI on Deity in Civ IV. It doesn't take much to do that in Civ V.

Also, not every feature is well-developed or matters. Militaristic City States are useless, and diplomacy is basically nonexistent.

alanthreonus

You can use one winning strategy all the time in pretty much any game, to say that's not the case in Civ IV is simply not true. I've beaten Civ V on Deity by using a completely different strategy than what you posted so obviously there are multiple ways to do it just like in previous Civs. Depth doesn't change by playing the game on harder difficulty, only the difficulty does. And the only thing that does change on higher levels is the number of advantages the AI gets. Civ IV was HARDER, not deeper.

How are militaristic city states useless? They give you units which is great if you're focusing on culture or science or expansion or whatever.

Diplomacy is the only feature that is not fully developed, that is true.