D@mn it, I'm playing Witcher 3 AGAIN

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#1  Edited By nomadic8280
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I stopped playing earlier this year, after having already played the crap out of it. I had done at least 3 full play-throughs of the main story, twice through Hearts of Stone and once through Blood and Wine. The last time I had played through all the side quests and contracts, started New Game+ and got all the way to the "Brothers In Arms" quest before I gave it a rest. Moved on to a lot of FPS games. I assumed I'd never touch it again. Then I tried Skyrim (never gave it a real chance), and all it made me do is want to play Witcher 3 again. To challenge myself, I deleted all my save files (New Game+ is too easy anyway) and started all over. The problem is there simply isn't a game like this, with the story, environment, combat and characters. Its too awesome, and nothing really comes close, and anything that kinda comes close just makes me miss the real thing.

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#2 NukleaWorfair
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I said this in another thread. IMO it didn't meet my expectations and if anything I wanted to go back and actually finish Skyrim.

Probably because everyone hyped this game up so much that I expected it to blow me away. It would have been nice to play it when it came out and be a nice surprise like Dead Space. Maybe that would have changed my opinion.

So, I got Game of the Year edition and it's just sitting there. I will go back to it though and give it another shot. Probably after I finish Skyrim. Maybe my opinion of it will change, it's not the first time that has happened.

It's interesting you said you played Skyrim (as in after Witcher 3). These games are very similar in many respects. Maybe it depends on what you played first.

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#3  Edited By RSM-HQ  Online
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The problem is there simply isn't a game like this, with the story, environment, combat and characters.

The combat is nothing impressive, I would even say tedious, simplistic, and linear. This is also a reflection how the overall map designs work in the game, and the lack of options it has for combat encounters.

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt leans more on story and exploration as its strength, that's not a bad aspect for a developer that just wanted to one up The Elder Scrolls in all its praised glory. And its combat is slightly better than Skyrim, but that's no compliment and wasn't even something people cheered for Skyrim in 2011.

When someone says TW3s combat is very good; or as you put it- "its too awesome, and nothing really comes close" I can't help but call that out as the nonsense it is.

Monster Hunter, Soulborne, Dragon's Dogma, these are all Action RPG franchises that are heavily praised for combat. With drastically superior and entertaining combat mechanics to the likes of TW3. And that's because unlike TW3, these three franchises are not strong story focused experiences. They have developer talent and priority to make excellent level design and deep combat mechanics with variety.

If someone compares The Witcher 3s combat to Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age. Sure. It's better, but you're setting the bar real low, in games that never had particularity good combat mechanics to begin with.

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@RSM-HQ said:

The problem is there simply isn't a game like this, with the story, environment, combat and characters.

The combat is nothing impressive, I would even say tedious, simplistic, and linear. This is also a reflection how the overall map designs work in the game, and the lack of options it has for combat encounters.

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt leans more on story and exploration as its strength, that's not a bad aspect for a developer that just wanted to one up The Elder Scrolls in all its praised glory. And its combat is slightly better than Skyrim, but that's no compliment and wasn't even something people cheered for Skyrim in 2011.

When someone says TW3s combat is very good; or as you put it- "its too awesome, and nothing really comes close" I can't help but call that out as the nonsense it is.

Monster Hunter, Soulborne, Dragon's Dogma, these are all Action RPG franchises that are heavily praised for combat. With drastically superior and entertaining combat mechanics to the likes of TW3. And that's because unlike TW3, these three franchises are not strong story focused experiences. They have developer talent and priority to make excellent level design and deep combat mechanics with variety.

If someone compares The Witcher 3s combat to Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age. Sure. It's better, but you're setting the bar real low, in games that never had particularity good combat mechanics to begin with.

Ummm excuse me but, I for one LIKE the combat gameplay and no, I'm not joking! I own Witcher 3 on PC, I use my Xbox Elite Controller for the most parts and it's more fluid to me that is. I tried to play it with KB/M but it wasn't for me, so using controller was the best thing I really like Witcher 3. I think the problem why everyone may think it suck is, Witcher 3 isn't a hack 'n' slash game. It never was, it just takes time to strike the enemy, using spells, and planing is what the Witcher 3 is all about. Nonsense or not, I like the combat and the lure of the Witcher series.

I don't compare Witcher 3 combat to any other genre at all, it is it's own thing from CDPR.

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I finished TW3 and then took a break before trying out the Hearts of Stone DLC. However, I got bored of it quickly and moved on to other games. The Witcher 3 is definitely an amazing game but other RPGs like Oblivion, Dragon Age: Origins and Deus Ex: HR hold a more dear spot in my heart.

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#6  Edited By Gwynbleidd_91
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Beat it a couple of weeks ago, took 170+ hours across 5 months to do almost everything so it was quite the investment. I finished Witcher 1 & 2 as well. For me personally it's the game of the gen. The amount of effort and detail that went into creating that game is nothing short of amazing. The world, story, characters and dialogue are all top notch. BW & HOS are both great. Even the combat which seems to be a common critique from reviews and the community I found to be overblown and I used kb+m my entire playthrough. By the time I finished the game the combat controls were pretty much second nature. I heard the books are pretty good so I plan to read them and do another play through in the future.

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#7  Edited By RSM-HQ  Online
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@davillain-:

Ummm excuse me but, I for one LIKE the combat gameplay and no, I'm not joking!

"Like" and think it's incomparable in quality to everything, are two different aspects entirely. Heck I "like" killing bandits in The Elder Scrolls. But its combat is not as high tier as developers that specialise in it.

Also please. . . "fluid" The Witcher 3 combat is not. . Keep in reality Dav, and put your bias aside. Noted what The Witcher 3 achieves. If I wasn't expansive enough on The Witcher 3s positives? that's because it's not the focus of my comment_

Witcher 3 isn't a hack 'n' slash game

I compared it to Action RPGs. Not Hack n' Slash games such as Nioh, Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, and Bayonetta.

I don't compare Witcher 3 combat to any other genre at all, it is it's own thing from CDPR.

And that's fine. But OP did! and I called it out. It is not top tier combat mechanics in an Action RPG and has a lot to be desired. I'd rather settle encounters with GWENT than the combat mechanics.

the lure of the Witcher series.

The games have a great setting, art direction, and stories to tell, so I agree on the allure. However will not sugar-coat the combat.

It's no different when years ago stated The Last of Us has the best shooting mechanics; but that's thankfully a dated topic.

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@RSM-HQ: I wasn't being biased and you know it. When I play a game, I tend to keep an open mind and for Witcher's combat case, I just went with the flow of it and never bother asking myself, why the combat sucks. Look if you don't like the game, I'm not here to change you're mind or anything, but I'm just letting you know not everyone hates Witcher 3's combat and I meet and discuss few gamers who were also cool with the combat. That said, maybe you should I dunno, play harder? (And that play harder was a pun)

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#9  Edited By dbodhisattwa
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@nomadic8280: Brother I played it 5 times !! 3 new game +, twice hearts of stone & Blood and Wine each. It's that type of game, which is perfect in every way. I still watch the trailer sometimes and gives me goosebumps. It's the best game of the century no competition. I was planning to play it again with all HD textures and other mods. Let's see when i get time. For now I am completing HITMAN Patient Zero DLC :)

Take a look, you will like it ;) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_dzxIDI2t0&t=5s

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@davillain-:

I wasn't being biased and you know it. When I play a game, I tend to keep an open mind and for Witcher's combat case, I just went with the flow of it and never bother asking myself, why the combat sucks. Look if you don't like the game, I'm not here to change you're mind or anything, but I'm just letting you know not everyone hates Witcher 3's combat and I meet and discuss few gamers who were also cool with the combat.

Hate is a strong word, and don't think I said that above, what it isn't is The Witcher 3s strength. And a detailed explanation on the combat has been covered countless times by myself here in GD, and you've been in those previous discussions.

Recycling it in bullet point form is pointless. I'm not here to upset your feelings you know.

That said, maybe you should I dunno, play harder? (And that play harder was a pun)

Weak argument, you know the difficulty level of games I play at this point. Be civilised.

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@RSM-HQ said:

@davillain-:

I wasn't being biased and you know it. When I play a game, I tend to keep an open mind and for Witcher's combat case, I just went with the flow of it and never bother asking myself, why the combat sucks. Look if you don't like the game, I'm not here to change you're mind or anything, but I'm just letting you know not everyone hates Witcher 3's combat and I meet and discuss few gamers who were also cool with the combat.

Hate is a strong word, and don't think I said that above, what it isn't is The Witcher 3s strength. And a detailed explanation on the combat has been covered countless times by myself here in GD, and you've been in those previous discussions.

Recycling it in bullet point form is pointless. I'm not here to upset your feelings you know.

That said, maybe you should I dunno, play harder? (And that play harder was a pun)

Weak argument, you know the difficulty level of games I play at this point. Be civilised.

Sorry I was joking on the whole pun thing.

You didn't hurt my feelings at all, I was mentioning on the combat that it just feels natural to me only because I got good at it I guess. And no, I wasn't aware about this has been discuss here many times.

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@davillain-:

And no, I wasn't aware about this has been discuss here many times

You've made a thread about The Witcher 3s combat yourself, granted it's at least a year old.

But thinking back, I've defended other aspects of The Witcher 3 as well. I call out combat and level design yet have complimented the game for what it has done right many times

Would prefer to avoid repeating history regardless. I've covered TW3 in heavy detail. However if you want me to archive dig? I will_

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Completed it three times and bought the games again in a gog sale, not entirely sure I can be arsed to play them again.

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@nomadic8280 said:

I stopped playing earlier this year, after having already played the crap out of it. I had done at least 3 full play-throughs of the main story, twice through Hearts of Stone and once through Blood and Wine. The last time I had played through all the side quests and contracts, started New Game+ and got all the way to the "Brothers In Arms" quest before I gave it a rest. Moved on to a lot of FPS games. I assumed I'd never touch it again. Then I tried Skyrim (never gave it a real chance), and all it made me do is want to play Witcher 3 again. To challenge myself, I deleted all my save files (New Game+ is too easy anyway) and started all over. The problem is there simply isn't a game like this, with the story, environment, combat and characters. Its too awesome, and nothing really comes close, and anything that kinda comes close just makes me miss the real thing.

Yeah I agree... nothing from this gen has satisfied me like Witcher 3 did.

I finished my second play-through a few months back (looks awesome on the X!).

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#15  Edited By Someoin
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Nice

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#16  Edited By deactivated-5d1e44cf96229
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@nomadic8280 said:

Then I tried Skyrim (never gave it a real chance), and all it made me do is want to play Witcher 3 again.

The opposite happened for me. Playing The Witcher 3 just made me want to replay Skyrim again.

I can't get into The Witcher 3. It's RPG elements are weak, it doesn't offer the freedom to be whoever I want to be and do whatever I want to do, it has too much dialog to sit through, and it's combat is terrible.

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#17  Edited By Renegade_Fury
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Yeah, it's an amazing game. The Witcher III ruined WRPGs for me, because nothing else comes close.

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#18  Edited By Macutchi
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i haven't touched the witcher 3 for ages. last couple of times i tried to replay it i couldn't bring myself to make it past white orchard. after one play through it's tough to motivate yourself to go through it all again.

that's the frustrating thing about tw3 as an open world game - it's just an illusion to begin with. there's a bunch of linear progression missions you'll need to sequentially complete to unlock the open world. and they're boring.

i guess you can in theory explore to your heart's content from the start but it's pretty pointless straying from the beaten main story path as just about every quest you encounter requires you to be a dozen or two levels above where you currently are to stand a cat in hell's chance.

i should have strategically saved after white orchard to reuse for future playthroughs. hindsight eh

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@RSM-HQ said:

@davillain-:

And no, I wasn't aware about this has been discuss here many times

You've made a thread about The Witcher 3s combat yourself, granted it's at least a year old.

But thinking back, I've defended other aspects of The Witcher 3 as well. I call out combat and level design yet have complimented the game for what it has done right many times

Would prefer to avoid repeating history regardless. I've covered TW3 in heavy detail. However if you want me to archive dig? I will_

OMG! I totally forgot I did make that thread!

No need to go dig it up from the grave, I did talk about it.

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@RSM-HQ said:

The problem is there simply isn't a game like this, with the story, environment, combat and characters.

The combat is nothing impressive, I would even say tedious, simplistic, and linear. This is also a reflection how the overall map designs work in the game, and the lack of options it has for combat encounters.

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt leans more on story and exploration as its strength, that's not a bad aspect for a developer that just wanted to one up The Elder Scrolls in all its praised glory. And its combat is slightly better than Skyrim, but that's no compliment and wasn't even something people cheered for Skyrim in 2011.

When someone says TW3s combat is very good; or as you put it- "its too awesome, and nothing really comes close" I can't help but call that out as the nonsense it is.

Monster Hunter, Soulborne, Dragon's Dogma, these are all Action RPG franchises that are heavily praised for combat. With drastically superior and entertaining combat mechanics to the likes of TW3. And that's because unlike TW3, these three franchises are not strong story focused experiences. They have developer talent and priority to make excellent level design and deep combat mechanics with variety.

If someone compares The Witcher 3s combat to Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age. Sure. It's better, but you're setting the bar real low, in games that never had particularity good combat mechanics to begin with.

of all those games, including W3, I only enjoyed DD for it's combat. I like the SoulBourne series for its level design, but the combat is overly simplistic, uninteresting and has massive collision issues. Monster Hunter irritated me because unlike DD, it made no real effort to construct attack mechanics around fighting large enemies, so the whole experience felt like trying to smash a giant pinata. W3 is more of a whole experience for me, with enough passable elements to supplement its strength - ambience and storytelling - but the combat has always kept me from replaying the game...I would prefer the RPGish paper/scissor/rock mechanics of W1 to the combat in 3.

Really, I think the vast majority of melee combat in games outside of the stylish-action genre or whatever you want to call it (DMC and such) is pretty trashy. The PS2 Way of the Samurai games were probably the last time I really had fun with melee in a non over-the-top action title.

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#21  Edited By rmpumper
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Not sure how people can claim that Witcher has terrible combat mechanics and then say that they prefer Skyrim, lol. Yeah, Witcher is a very simplistic game when it comes to fighting, but so is Skyrim where the only satisfying method of combat is sneaky archery.

@johnd13 said:

I finished TW3 and then took a break before trying out the Hearts of Stone DLC.

Yeah, I don't get why most people (or at least it seems to be the majority) say that Hearts of Stone (has no likeable characters; both Olgierd and O'Dimm ar scum) is better than Blood and Wine.

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@Ish_basic said:

Monster Hunter irritated me because unlike DD, it made no real effort to construct attack mechanics around fighting large enemies, so the whole experience felt like trying to smash a giant pinata.

Incorrect.

Monsters in the game have unseen meters that build up as you play, one of which is the KO meter, to activate this and make it act on a blow/ put it in a dizzy state, the player will have to target the creatures weakness, and other factors for building KO come into play. Such as skill points in the KO ability, and even using weapons like hammers help. Some players that specialise in KO can knock out a large creature over ten times during an average hunt. Lower down the food-chain the monster is the easier to KO_

So when you break it down for what you can do to monsters in Monster Hunter- Stun them, poison them, put to sleep, rip off limbs, capture, mount, knock them out, trap, etc. You can do plenty outside whacking it like a "pinata". >You< just need to know what you're doing in a hunt. And my wild guess is you've given all those other RPGs mentioned above more time investment than MH. These features are hardly new, and have been apart of MH longer than DkS and TW entire history.

As much as I like Dragon's Dogma, much prefer the layers and tactics in Monster Hunter, it requires more thought and effort which I appreciate in a combat system, it also requires more notice in the map design for fighting. Dragon's Dogma is certainly good but the same tactics usually work on everything.

As for Dark Souls being simplistic, not sure I agree. Though inputs are limited. The ways to claim victory are numerous thanks to level design, status effects, and stats. These are the key reasons Dark Souls is an RPG to begin with. It has layers

and has massive collision issues

Dark Souls and DkSII sure. But less an issue in BB and DkSIII. Has better hitbox detection than most. Unless you're doing PvP then it varies depending on lag. . Or Hackers_

*A good tip for MH as well, if you're playing in multiplayer; monsters have larger build-up meters. (monsters scale from SP to MP) This means they're harder to KO/ Destroy/ etc. However if you still specialise, you'll be able to do what you're after a few times in a hunt.

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@nomadic8280: I stopped playing earlier this year, after having already played the crap out of it. I had done at least 3 full play-throughs of the main story, twice through Hearts of Stone and once through Blood and Wine. The last time I had played through all the side quests and contracts, started New Game+ and got all the way to the "Brothers In Arms" quest before I gave it a rest.

Wow that's a lot of hours on one game how many months did it take you and what mode did you have it on..?

I loved the Witcher 3 I have Game of the Year Edition plus all DLC's. The first time i tried New Game+ i struggled some how. I think it was because i hadn't upgraded my witcher gear/swords to grandmaster before going onto New Game+ so i went back to a previous save and took it from there. I think at this point i have clocked up about 4 months on game play..?

Then I tried Skyrim (never gave it a real chance), and all it made me do is want to play Witcher 3 again.

Shame you didn't give Skyrim a chance it was also a really good game. If tried from 3rd person perspective i found better as you can see more of what's going on around you. That's just my preference.

The problem is there simply isn't a game like this, with the story, environment, combat and characters. Its too awesome, and nothing really comes close, and anything that kinda comes close just makes me miss the real thing.

Have you tried Horizon Zero Dawn with the Frozen Wilds DLC..??. Or even Assassin's Creed Origins with all it's many DLC's...

These games are similar to the Witcher...

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@Peasly said:

@nomadic8280: I stopped playing earlier this year, after having already played the crap out of it. I had done at least 3 full play-throughs of the main story, twice through Hearts of Stone and once through Blood and Wine. The last time I had played through all the side quests and contracts, started New Game+ and got all the way to the "Brothers In Arms" quest before I gave it a rest.

Wow that's a lot of hours on one game how many months did it take you and what mode did you have it on..?

I loved the Witcher 3 I have Game of the Year Edition plus all DLC's. The first time i tried New Game+ i struggled some how. I think it was because i hadn't upgraded my witcher gear/swords to grandmaster before going onto New Game+ so i went back to a previous save and took it from there. I think at this point i have clocked up about 4 months on game play..?

Then I tried Skyrim (never gave it a real chance), and all it made me do is want to play Witcher 3 again.

Shame you didn't give Skyrim a chance it was also a really good game. If tried from 3rd person perspective i found better as you can see more of what's going on around you. That's just my preference.

The problem is there simply isn't a game like this, with the story, environment, combat and characters. Its too awesome, and nothing really comes close, and anything that kinda comes close just makes me miss the real thing.

Have you tried Horizon Zero Dawn with the Frozen Wilds DLC..??. Or even Assassin's Creed Origins with all it's many DLC's...

These games are similar to the Witcher...

I played TW3 roughly from January to early spring sometime. I played on the Blood and Broken Bones setting. One update on this thread is I actually delved a little more into Skyrim, its growing on me. I played Assassin's Creed Origins and its DLC's too, that was a lot of fun too.

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It really is a great game. Not perfect so naturally the haters will latch on to something and be unreasonable in their criticisms, but the game is entirely deserving of the praise it gets.

Shit even if you played it once, there's dozens of hours of genuinely enjoyable content. The icing on that cake, of course, is how you can replay it a number of times.

Can't wait to get hundreds of hours out of Cyberpunk.

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#26 Peasly
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@mrbojangles25: I can’t wait for Cyperpunk either......

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@Peasly said:

@mrbojangles25: I can’t wait for Cyperpunk either......

The gameplay has got me really hype, I wish Cyberpunk 2077 would release next year :(

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#28  Edited By TryIt
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Is the story really that good? I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good? or is it just barely acceptable use of cut scenes. I mean lets me honest here.

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Finished the main story half a year ago, still have yet to start the DLCs though, because I'm leisurely taking my time with Horizon Zero Dawn (and I really mean leisurely, like, an hour once a week or two), and when I'm not playing that game, I'm searching for some older video-games on pc that I haven't played yet, so will be some time till I get back to the Witcher 3. That being said, at least in my opinion, it beats Inquisition and Andromeda by a long-shot (primarily because it was not designed as a single player mmo game), as well as Skyrim (I don't know, played it for some time - vanilla version -, and I kept thinking to myself is this really from 2011? Looks more to be from pre 2000 era with all of its gameplay and combat mechanic aspects, but then again, never played any of TeS games before, so, perhaps, they are all like this).

That being said, Witcher 3 is a good game, but not a masterpiece. Sure, it's a narrative driven game, but it has its own plot-holes. The combat mechanics are simplistic, for my tastes it's a good thing, but I can see how die hard hard-core games fans might find it much to be desired for.

@DaVillain-: Dragon's Dogma combat and gameplay made me quit the game, I don't know, maybe I would have liked it when it initially came-out, but that remastered version, I don't know, oh the horror.

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Is the story really that good? I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good? or is it just barely acceptable use of cut scenes. I mean lets me honest here.

Its a compelling enough story, I guess, but its really all about the characters. They're very well presented and fleshed out, the voice acting is good and you care about the people you meet, the choices you make that affect them, etc. You don't really need to know much about the back story (the first 2 games, the books etc). You just know you're on a quest to find and save your adoptive daughter. So its more centered around themes of family and friends, which most people can immediately relate to, not "Save the realm from the dragon/dark lord/bad shadowy stuff!!" In The Witcher, you don't care as much about the grand political outcome of the region, so much as everyone in Geralt's circle is ok.

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@tryit said:

Is the story really that good? I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good? or is it just barely acceptable use of cut scenes. I mean lets me honest here.

Its a compelling enough story, I guess, but its really all about the characters. They're very well presented and fleshed out, the voice acting is good and you care about the people you meet, the choices you make that affect them, etc. You don't really need to know much about the back story (the first 2 games, the books etc). You just know you're on a quest to find and save your adoptive daughter. So its more centered around themes of family and friends, which most people can immediately relate to, not "Save the realm from the dragon/dark lord/bad shadowy stuff!!" In The Witcher, you don't care as much about the grand political outcome of the region, so much as everyone in Geralt's circle is ok.

sorry is that a yes or a no to my question? I take that as a yes?

I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good?

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@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:

Is the story really that good? I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good? or is it just barely acceptable use of cut scenes. I mean lets me honest here.

Its a compelling enough story, I guess, but its really all about the characters. They're very well presented and fleshed out, the voice acting is good and you care about the people you meet, the choices you make that affect them, etc. You don't really need to know much about the back story (the first 2 games, the books etc). You just know you're on a quest to find and save your adoptive daughter. So its more centered around themes of family and friends, which most people can immediately relate to, not "Save the realm from the dragon/dark lord/bad shadowy stuff!!" In The Witcher, you don't care as much about the grand political outcome of the region, so much as everyone in Geralt's circle is ok.

sorry is that a yes or a no to my question? I take that as a yes?

I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good?

In direct response to your question specifically, I can't answer because I haven't watched any of those (not really a TV show guy).

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@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:

Is the story really that good? I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good? or is it just barely acceptable use of cut scenes. I mean lets me honest here.

Its a compelling enough story, I guess, but its really all about the characters. They're very well presented and fleshed out, the voice acting is good and you care about the people you meet, the choices you make that affect them, etc. You don't really need to know much about the back story (the first 2 games, the books etc). You just know you're on a quest to find and save your adoptive daughter. So its more centered around themes of family and friends, which most people can immediately relate to, not "Save the realm from the dragon/dark lord/bad shadowy stuff!!" In The Witcher, you don't care as much about the grand political outcome of the region, so much as everyone in Geralt's circle is ok.

sorry is that a yes or a no to my question? I take that as a yes?

I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good?

In direct response to your question specifically, I can't answer because I haven't watched any of those (not really a TV show guy).

well I would need an answer to that question to take the story telling of Witcher 3 seriously. I have seen in game stories that people think are good and they were in fact terrible

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@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:

Is the story really that good? I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good? or is it just barely acceptable use of cut scenes. I mean lets me honest here.

Its a compelling enough story, I guess, but its really all about the characters. They're very well presented and fleshed out, the voice acting is good and you care about the people you meet, the choices you make that affect them, etc. You don't really need to know much about the back story (the first 2 games, the books etc). You just know you're on a quest to find and save your adoptive daughter. So its more centered around themes of family and friends, which most people can immediately relate to, not "Save the realm from the dragon/dark lord/bad shadowy stuff!!" In The Witcher, you don't care as much about the grand political outcome of the region, so much as everyone in Geralt's circle is ok.

sorry is that a yes or a no to my question? I take that as a yes?

I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good?

In direct response to your question specifically, I can't answer because I haven't watched any of those (not really a TV show guy).

well I would need an answer to that question to take the story telling of Witcher 3 seriously. I have seen in game stories that people think are good and they were in fact terrible

Having watched a bit of Game of Thrones, I think that's the closest style in story-telling for a TV series that I would compare The Witcher to, if that helps. And not just because they're both western high fantasy stories.

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@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:

sorry is that a yes or a no to my question? I take that as a yes?

I mean The Wire, or OZ, or Better Call Saul, or Goliath level good?

In direct response to your question specifically, I can't answer because I haven't watched any of those (not really a TV show guy).

well I would need an answer to that question to take the story telling of Witcher 3 seriously. I have seen in game stories that people think are good and they were in fact terrible

Having watched a bit of Game of Thrones, I think that's the closest style in story-telling for a TV series that I would compare The Witcher to, if that helps. And not just because they're both western high fantasy stories.

ok...I find that very hard to believe that the story telling of a video game is as good as Game of Thrones but even so, for me to sit a 'play' a story game it would have to be considerably better than the best TV drama I have ever seen.

because I use my game time to fullfil a different need of which time would be taken away from that.

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#36  Edited By nomadic8280
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@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:

In direct response to your question specifically, I can't answer because I haven't watched any of those (not really a TV show guy).

well I would need an answer to that question to take the story telling of Witcher 3 seriously. I have seen in game stories that people think are good and they were in fact terrible

Having watched a bit of Game of Thrones, I think that's the closest style in story-telling for a TV series that I would compare The Witcher to, if that helps. And not just because they're both western high fantasy stories.

ok...I find that very hard to believe that the story telling of a video game is as good as Game of Thrones but even so, for me to sit a 'play' a story game for it would have to be considerably better than the best TV drama I have ever seen.

because I use my game time to fullfil a different need of which time would be taken away from that.

Ok but you have to keep in mind The Witcher is drawing from - like GoT - source material of novels written in the 90's. There's pre-established complex lore and politics surrounding the characters of the series. It wasn't just dreamed up for the game.

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@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:

In direct response to your question specifically, I can't answer because I haven't watched any of those (not really a TV show guy).

well I would need an answer to that question to take the story telling of Witcher 3 seriously. I have seen in game stories that people think are good and they were in fact terrible

Having watched a bit of Game of Thrones, I think that's the closest style in story-telling for a TV series that I would compare The Witcher to, if that helps. And not just because they're both western high fantasy stories.

ok...I find that very hard to believe that the story telling of a video game is as good as Game of Thrones but even so, for me to sit a 'play' a story game for it would have to be considerably better than the best TV drama I have ever seen.

because I use my game time to fullfil a different need of which time would be taken away from that.

Ok but you have to keep in mind The Witcher is drawing from - like GoT - source material of novels written in the 90's. There's pre-established complex lore and politics surrounding the characters of the series. It wasn't just dreamed up for the game.

ok..I still find it hard to believe for several reasons which I can get into if you like however gaming for me fullfils a need a need that gets in the way when a story is being put on me. which is why for me personally the story would literally have to better than anything I have ever seen on TV to justify it getting in the way of my game time.

That said, for 2 or 3 specific reasons I dont think your claim is likely accurate. I am sure you think it is, but I think its highly unlikely

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@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:

well I would need an answer to that question to take the story telling of Witcher 3 seriously. I have seen in game stories that people think are good and they were in fact terrible

Having watched a bit of Game of Thrones, I think that's the closest style in story-telling for a TV series that I would compare The Witcher to, if that helps. And not just because they're both western high fantasy stories.

ok...I find that very hard to believe that the story telling of a video game is as good as Game of Thrones but even so, for me to sit a 'play' a story game for it would have to be considerably better than the best TV drama I have ever seen.

because I use my game time to fullfil a different need of which time would be taken away from that.

Ok but you have to keep in mind The Witcher is drawing from - like GoT - source material of novels written in the 90's. There's pre-established complex lore and politics surrounding the characters of the series. It wasn't just dreamed up for the game.

ok..I still find it hard to believe for several reasons which I can get into if you like however gaming for me fullfils a need a need that gets in the way when a story is being put on me. which is why for me personally the story would literally have to better than anything I have ever seen on TV to justify it getting in the way of my game time.

That said, for 2 or 3 specific reasons I dont think your claim is likely accurate. I am sure you think it is, but I think its highly unlikely

Fair enough, but I keep reading your username and can't help but thinking its so appropriate right now...you just gotta TRY IT to find out for sure, lol.

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#39  Edited By TryIt
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@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:

ok...I find that very hard to believe that the story telling of a video game is as good as Game of Thrones but even so, for me to sit a 'play' a story game for it would have to be considerably better than the best TV drama I have ever seen.

because I use my game time to fullfil a different need of which time would be taken away from that.

Ok but you have to keep in mind The Witcher is drawing from - like GoT - source material of novels written in the 90's. There's pre-established complex lore and politics surrounding the characters of the series. It wasn't just dreamed up for the game.

ok..I still find it hard to believe for several reasons which I can get into if you like however gaming for me fullfils a need a need that gets in the way when a story is being put on me. which is why for me personally the story would literally have to better than anything I have ever seen on TV to justify it getting in the way of my game time.

That said, for 2 or 3 specific reasons I dont think your claim is likely accurate. I am sure you think it is, but I think its highly unlikely

Fair enough, but I keep reading your username and can't help but thinking its so appropriate right now...you just gotta TRY IT to find out for sure, lol.

well because I have tried movie games.

The name TryIt by the way is chosen because I try to convince people to look at indie games with an open mind :)

difference between them and me is that I used to be a AAA fan boy, so I have been on both sides of the isle.

but to your request, I have far to many games I can barely keep up with now as it is and find it hard to believe your claim.

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#40  Edited By nomadic8280
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@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:

Ok but you have to keep in mind The Witcher is drawing from - like GoT - source material of novels written in the 90's. There's pre-established complex lore and politics surrounding the characters of the series. It wasn't just dreamed up for the game.

ok..I still find it hard to believe for several reasons which I can get into if you like however gaming for me fullfils a need a need that gets in the way when a story is being put on me. which is why for me personally the story would literally have to better than anything I have ever seen on TV to justify it getting in the way of my game time.

That said, for 2 or 3 specific reasons I dont think your claim is likely accurate. I am sure you think it is, but I think its highly unlikely

Fair enough, but I keep reading your username and can't help but thinking its so appropriate right now...you just gotta TRY IT to find out for sure, lol.

well because I have tried movie games.

The name TryIt by the way is chosen because I try to convince people to look at indie games with an open mind :)

difference between them and me is that I used to be a AAA fan boy, so I have been on both sides of the isle.

but to your request, I have far to many games I can barely keep up with now as it is and find it hard to believe your claim.

I might be wrong, but its worth noting that TW1 & 2 were indie, modest hits with a cult following, and TW3 was an out-of-left-field, come-from-nowhere success story of the decade. There was no precedented hype or reason for this game to go on and be cited by so many in the industry as among the greatest RPG's of all time aside from its own merits. Just saying, its pretty cool.

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@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:

Ok but you have to keep in mind The Witcher is drawing from - like GoT - source material of novels written in the 90's. There's pre-established complex lore and politics surrounding the characters of the series. It wasn't just dreamed up for the game.

ok..I still find it hard to believe for several reasons which I can get into if you like however gaming for me fullfils a need a need that gets in the way when a story is being put on me. which is why for me personally the story would literally have to better than anything I have ever seen on TV to justify it getting in the way of my game time.

That said, for 2 or 3 specific reasons I dont think your claim is likely accurate. I am sure you think it is, but I think its highly unlikely

Fair enough, but I keep reading your username and can't help but thinking its so appropriate right now...you just gotta TRY IT to find out for sure, lol.

well because I have tried movie games.

The name TryIt by the way is chosen because I try to convince people to look at indie games with an open mind :)

difference between them and me is that I used to be a AAA fan boy, so I have been on both sides of the isle.

but to your request, I have far to many games I can barely keep up with now as it is and find it hard to believe your claim.

I might be wrong, but its worth noting that TW1 & 2 were indie, modest hits with a cult following, and TW3 was an out-of-left-field, come-from-nowhere success story of the decade. There was no precedented hype or reason for this game to go on and be cited by so many in the industry as among the greatest RPG's of all time aside from its own merits. Just saying, its pretty cool.

people like to say that about NMS but when looking at the evidence one can tell that is very likely ridiculous. There had to be covert marketing behind that game, no way in hell that one video got that much real hype in the wake of games like Space Engineers already existing and no 'not the same kinda game' comes remotely close to justify a video of a ship landing with no comments as evidence of hype.

Anyway, I dont play games for story. I like Skyrim a lot, played it for many hours, Morrowind is one of my favorite games ever, I could not tell you the story behind either of those games. Because I play games for different reasons.

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how about I agree to a compromise and watch a lets play?

if you give me crap about not being able to experience the game because a controller is not in my mind I swear to god....i will do nothing other than rage out

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@nomadic8280

how about I agree to a compromise and watch a lets play?

if you give me crap about not being able to experience the game because a controller is not in my mind I swear to god....i will do nothing other than rage out

LOL that's totally fine by me.

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#44  Edited By TryIt
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@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:

@nomadic8280

how about I agree to a compromise and watch a lets play?

if you give me crap about not being able to experience the game because a controller is not in my mind I swear to god....i will do nothing other than rage out

LOL that's totally fine by me.

this could conclude it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVyJqPWLtM0

I might check it out.

ok that was already painful.

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Damn, part 1 and its 2 hours long. I'm curious how their story pans out in a single video, because there's 37 possible endings to the entirety of the story. (I'm going to assume it is the "best" ending. No spoilers)

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@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:

@nomadic8280

how about I agree to a compromise and watch a lets play?

if you give me crap about not being able to experience the game because a controller is not in my mind I swear to god....i will do nothing other than rage out

LOL that's totally fine by me.

this could conclude it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVyJqPWLtM0

I might check it out.

ok that was already painful.

Which part?

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@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:
@nomadic8280 said:
@tryit said:

@nomadic8280

how about I agree to a compromise and watch a lets play?

if you give me crap about not being able to experience the game because a controller is not in my mind I swear to god....i will do nothing other than rage out

LOL that's totally fine by me.

this could conclude it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVyJqPWLtM0

I might check it out.

ok that was already painful.

Which part?

after the intro his conversation with the woman.

I will try to give it time and watch it later when I can pay more attention to it maybe.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXWbUJXAVE0

This is a very straightforward and honest video about the games focused on the 3rd one (he also reviewed the first 2 games, this is part 3). Keep it mind it was done at release before the expansions or patches.