Does anyone else think beat 'em ups are so... primitive?

Don't you think the beat 'em up genre is so primitive by todays standards. I mean, I have great memories of playing Tekken and Viruta Fighter as a kid, and I loved them, but I recently picked up Street Fighter IV, and I just didn't like it. I'm not the only one, lots of my friends just think beat 'em ups as a whole are quite boring. I mean SFIV is probably the best a beat 'em up can be, but don't you think they're just so boring now we have the technology to make better genres of game?

Edit: I meant fighting games, not beat 'em ups.

SF is not a beat em up, it is a fighting game. Beat em ups would be like MUA

nah there pretty fun

TC all those games you mentioned are fighters not beat em ups. Two different genres and one doesn't really existsanymore (Beat em ups). Streets of Rage, Final Fight, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, SpiderMan: Maximum Carnage now those are beat em ups.

Don't you think the beat 'em up genre is so primitive by todays standards. I mean, I have great memories of playing Tekken and Viruta Fighter as a kid, and I loved them, but I recently picked up Street Fighter IV, and I just didn't like it. I'm not the only one, lots of my friends just think beat 'em ups as a whole are quite boring. I mean SFIV is probably the best a beat 'em up can be, but don't you think they're just so boring now we have the technology to make better genres of game?

lukas1051

Don't you think the beat 'em up genre is so primitive by todays standards. I mean, I have great memories of playing Tekken and Viruta Fighter as a kid, and I loved them, but I recently picked up Street Fighter IV, and I just didn't like it. I'm not the only one, lots of my friends just think beat 'em ups as a whole are quite boring. I mean SFIV is probably the best a beat 'em up can be, but don't you think they're just so boring now we have the technology to make better genres of game?

lukas1051

Don't you think the beat 'em up genre is so primitive by todays standards. I mean, I have great memories of playing Tekken and Viruta Fighter as a kid, and I loved them, but I recently picked up Street Fighter IV, and I just didn't like it. I'm not the only one, lots of my friends just think beat 'em ups as a whole are quite boring. I mean SFIV is probably the best a beat 'em up can be, but don't you think they're just so boring now we have the technology to make better genres of game?

lukas1051

In what way is SF4 primitive?

I think the key to enjoying fighting games is having good competition around you.(Multiplayer) Otherwise, it is quite boring by yourself. The genre also arguably has the steepest learning curve so patience is needed.

And like the above poster said, what do you mean by primitive? I can understand if you findfighting gamesboring, but i dont understand the primitive part.

A beat em up is like MUA, Dynasty Warriors, games along those lines where you can go through the game with a single combo aimlessly at mobs.Mister__Awesome

Well, a beat-em-up would be like Final Fight or Double Dragon.

Two awesome games as well as River City Ransom.

Whenever you died in RCR, it always said something like "Alex got his ass kicked". Lol, I used to love that.

There used to be nothing I enjoyed more than running around beating the crap out of things, but lately I can't get into them either. I couldn't even get into God of War, which looked like the kind of game that I'd love.

As far as beat'em ups, yes, they are a bit primitive...that's part of their charm, and that simplicity ispart of what makes them fun.

As for Fighting Games (which is what the OPs post was actually talking about), I honestly think FGs are better now then they ever were. This is because in decades past FGs lived and died on the competition between two people. The single player mode was there more or less solely for the player to practice. In the last 10 years, though, far more robust single player modes have been showing up in fighting games. Take the first Soul Calibur: It gave us a rewards system of fun unloakables, and a mission mode that different from what one would encounter in standard arcade style play...while still serving to hone skills at home, it changed up the formula so that practice was more then just playing through arcade mode.

Granted not all modern fighting games do this (and I think they suffer for it), and not all FGs have a "mission mode" as robust as Soul Calibur's was, but even SF IV has a challenge mode that changes things up a bit, and has some benefits from taking the time to do so.

Don't you think the beat 'em up genre is so primitive by todays standards. I mean, I have great memories of playing Tekken and Viruta Fighter as a kid, and I loved them, but I recently picked up Street Fighter IV, and I just didn't like it. I'm not the only one, lots of my friends just think beat 'em ups as a whole are quite boring. I mean SFIV is probably the best a beat 'em up can be, but don't you think they're just so boring now we have the technology to make better genres of game?

Well, the last beat em up game I recall playing is God Of War.

But as you've probably realised by now, the games you mentioned aren't beat em ups.

But, God Of War was done extremely well. And there's still games like DMC and that endless library of XBLA/PSN games.

And I don't understand what you mean by 'primitive'. It's a game. Games don't have to be a certain way. Not all of them have to have an "EPIC STORY OF TOTAL AWESOMENESS AND CINEMATICS!!!!111one!!!!"

I mean seriously, a genre can't be primitive. Sure, it's old, but it's not primitive. That's like saying Jazz is primitive. Sure, it's been around for a long time, but to this day people still play it and experiment to come up with new forms of it. Graphics - now those can be primitive. Genres? Not so much.

I like beat 'em ups and don't find them primitive at all. I'm not a fan of fighting games btw.

why the hell are people calling God Of War a Beat 'Em Up? its a Hack N' Slash!imthemostwanted

Oh really now? In actual fact, we're both wrong.

It's actually a Fantasy Action Adventure. :lol:

Let's all totally ignore the OP's point and argue semantics.Alaris83

I always enjoy a beat 'em up with friends, but on your own they get old fast beyond story mode.

Tekken 3 is among the best ever, it did receive a 9.9 rating here.

Well if you consider Batman DA beat'em up, then they are obviously evolving and aren't so primitive. I would also consider action/ adventure very similar to beat'em up and they are totally worthwhile (nods to you Zelda). If you specifically refer to fighting games, well I would agree since I'm not a big fan, but to each his own. Thank you and goodnight.

Seems like I got my terminology a bit wrong, I'm tallking about fighting games, ie. Tekken, Vritua Fighter, Street Fighter, Soul Caliber etc. Anyway, my point still stands, I mean you mash buttons to do attacks, that's it. No storyline, no level design or anything like that, just attacking the enemy until one of you wins. I could understand when technology wasn't good enough to do anything else, but when you compare them to games like Fallout 3, for example, it seems like such a bum deal. I mean if they rereleased Pong or Pacman with better graphics, you'd be pretty pissed if you had to pay $60 for it. Anyway, that's just what I think.

Let's all totally ignore the OP's point and argue semantics. Anyways, as a few people have indicated already, playing these kinds of games really depends on the level of competition your playing with. It can be very fun to compete head to head with a group of friends. I couldn't count the times we would play Smash Bros late into the night back when I was in college.Alaris83

Except that the issue isn't one of semantics because the OP completely misidentified the genre, which in turn questions the validity of anything he writes in regards to the very nuanced and complex fighting genre he is deriding.

The OP also doesn't appear to have a firm grasp of the word primitive. Karate Champ and the original Street Fighter are primitive. SFIV, VF5 and Tekken 6 are anything but primitive.

Seems like I got my terminology a bit wrong, I'm tallking about fighting games, ie. Tekken, Vritua Fighter, Street Fighter, Soul Caliber etc. Anyway, my point still stands, I mean you mash buttons to do attacks, that's it. No storyline, no level design or anything like that, just attacking the enemy until one of you wins. I could understand when technology wasn't good enough to do anything else, but when you compare them to games like Fallout 3, for example, it seems like such a bum deal. I mean if they rereleased Pong or Pacman with better graphics, you'd be pretty pissed if you had to pay $60 for it. Anyway, that's just what I think.

lukas1051

Here is where you show how ill-informed and ignorant you are with the subject.

The fighting genre is THE MOST time consuming when it comes to mastering it. It is nowhere near as friendly as FPS or RPGs, or any other genre for that matter. And because of that, the fighting genre is the least popular out of all the others.

And what are you talking about? EVERY fighting game apart from Virtua Fighter nowadays has a storyline, and rather good ones, I should add. Only a casual fighter would mash buttons and expect to win. That's not how it works in the real fighting world. I mean, look at the command lists for these fighters. Do you really think that button mashing will help you when the commands don't even compliment it any way?

Why don't you watch a few professional fighting tournaments? It would amaze you and show you just how wrong you are with your interpretation.

[QUOTE="lukas1051"]

Seems like I got my terminology a bit wrong, I'm tallking about fighting games, ie. Tekken, Vritua Fighter, Street Fighter, Soul Caliber etc. Anyway, my point still stands, I mean you mash buttons to do attacks, that's it. No storyline, no level design or anything like that, just attacking the enemy until one of you wins. I could understand when technology wasn't good enough to do anything else, but when you compare them to games like Fallout 3, for example, it seems like such a bum deal. I mean if they rereleased Pong or Pacman with better graphics, you'd be pretty pissed if you had to pay $60 for it. Anyway, that's just what I think.

MadVybz

Here is where you show how ill-informed and ignorant you are with the subject.

The fighting genre is THE MOST time consuming when it comes to mastering it. It is nowhere near as friendly as FPS or RPGs, or any other genre for that matter. And because of that, the fighting genre is the least popular out of all the others.

And what are you talking about? EVERY fighting game apart from Virtua Fighter nowadays has a storyline, and rather good ones, I should add. Only a casual fighter would mash buttons and expect to win. That's not how it works in the real fighting world. I mean, look at the command lists for these fighters. Do you really think that button mashing will help you when the commands don't even compliment it any way?

Why don't you watch a few professional fighting tournaments? It would amaze you and show you just how wrong you are with your interpretation.

[QUOTE="kaskus"] ...I think there is more appropriate word fit for it....jjtiebuckle

:lol:

In case you didn't know, fighters are as 'uninspired' and 'unimaginative' only as YOU see fit.

You can always change your style of play. Change your strategy. Change your personal character preference. Use mind games. With that, there are whole new windows opened for you to win - or at the least - get better. And as for specials and combos - they're merely tools. And with any tool, it's efficiency depends on who is using it. Just because you know a certain special move, or a 10 hit combo, doesn't mean that you'll automatically better your opponent.

And when it comes right down to it, the level of skill required to win, is what makes a good fighter. Adding a bunch of BS that a non-fighter fan would want, would only ruin it for those who actually know what they're talking about.

But of course, you wouldn't know that, since you're not even interested in fighters, nor do they really concern you.

i think your primative...

[QUOTE="Alaris83"]Let's all totally ignore the OP's point and argue semantics. Anyways, as a few people have indicated already, playing these kinds of games really depends on the level of competition your playing with. It can be very fun to compete head to head with a group of friends. I couldn't count the times we would play Smash Bros late into the night back when I was in college.Grammaton-Cleric

Except that the issue isn't one of semantics because the OP completely misidentified the genre, which in turn questions the validity of anything he writes in regards to the very nuanced and complex fighting genre he is deriding.

The OP also doesn't appear to have a firm grasp of the word primitive. Karate Champ and the original Street Fighter are primitive. SFIV, VF5 and Tekken 6 are anything but primitive.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="Alaris83"]Let's all totally ignore the OP's point and argue semantics. Anyways, as a few people have indicated already, playing these kinds of games really depends on the level of competition your playing with. It can be very fun to compete head to head with a group of friends. I couldn't count the times we would play Smash Bros late into the night back when I was in college.Alaris83

Except that the issue isn't one of semantics because the OP completely misidentified the genre, which in turn questions the validity of anything he writes in regards to the very nuanced and complex fighting genre he is deriding.

The OP also doesn't appear to have a firm grasp of the word primitive. Karate Champ and the original Street Fighter are primitive. SFIV, VF5 and Tekken 6 are anything but primitive.

Well, people obviously don't have a real debate on this subject, including the TC. If there was, someone would have at least tried to counter what I've said before. So, go ahead, let them tell him he used the wrong terminology. The discussion's over, from what I can see.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="Alaris83"]Let's all totally ignore the OP's point and argue semantics. Anyways, as a few people have indicated already, playing these kinds of games really depends on the level of competition your playing with. It can be very fun to compete head to head with a group of friends. I couldn't count the times we would play Smash Bros late into the night back when I was in college.Alaris83

Except that the issue isn't one of semantics because the OP completely misidentified the genre, which in turn questions the validity of anything he writes in regards to the very nuanced and complex fighting genre he is deriding.

The OP also doesn't appear to have a firm grasp of the word primitive. Karate Champ and the original Street Fighter are primitive. SFIV, VF5 and Tekken 6 are anything but primitive.

If you come into a forum shooting off at the mouth about a genre you clearly don't understand, expect this kind of response when you make a glaring mistake. Frankly, there is no discussion because the OP knows next to nothing about the genre. Somebody who can't even identify the genre correctly isn't worthy of a full, informed response.

Primitive? No. A bit Dated? Maybe. Still tons of fun if done well? Absolutely!!

I think any genre or style of game that's been around from early on in the gaming world runs the risk of being labled as dated but I don't think that makes them any less worthy of a good look if they're done well.

Zombie Apocalypse is a game that I have yet to play but I think looks like a crap load of fun for thesole fact that it reminds me of a lot of the games I grew up playing.

primitive? fighting games are a bit primitive but beat em ups? not for me, its a good time killer for me..kreig28

beat 'em up is my style ;)

long live koei !!!