Epic: PS4 is like a really perfect gaming PC.

More devs singing PS4's praises. Epic's Mark Rein joins in on the fun:

An Epic Games exec has compared the PlayStation 4 to "a really perfect gaming PC," citing the console's combination of "phenomenal" hardware and convenient user experience.

Speaking to CVG in a recent interview, VP Mark Rein called Sony's decision to incorporate off-the-shelf PC components in PS4 "very smart," because in his opinion it will allow many developers to hit the ground running with their next-gen game development.

He also pointed to the memory limitations of the 32-bit versions of Windows as an example of how PS4 titles could even surpass what "most PCs" can do.

"I think it's a very smart move on Sony's behalf to build this sort of enhanced PC architecture and then put so much in it," he said.

"Let's not forget it has 16 times the memory we had in PlayStation 3 - that's not insignificant. Knowing that every machine has that... we can do crazy, ridiculous stuff with that."The other exciting thing is that... when you think about Windows, even Windows for most people is tied to about 2GB of addressable memory space. This really opens up beyond what most PCs can do, because most PCs are running a 32-bit version of Windows.

"It's like giving you the world's best PC," he added, pointing to Sony's introduction of "super convenient" features such as the ability to play games while they're downloading and perform background updates.

"The kind of stuff that they announced that they're doing, the level of convenience and things like that... they're making a really perfect gaming PC," he added.

"I've always said that the things in the next-generation that aren't just brute force hardware are all about the service and simplicity of the experience - the things that make it as fun and easy to get a PS4 game as it is to get a game on your iPad."

Commenting on Microsoft's next-gen console plans, Rein said he was confident the Xbox firm will also be doing something 'along the lines' of PS4.

Source Mark Rein

I would've liked a better GPU... 1.8Tflops is kinda lame seeing as how my 2010 GPU GTX570 is 1.45 Tflops... BUT looks like Sony's made a lot of very smart choices with the architecture. Unified RAM, compute units on the GPU doing traditional CPU work, shared CPU and GPU access to RAM. It could really produce some amazing visuals in the next couple of years. 

After Deep Down was confirmed to be realtime and running on the PS4, i cant wait to see what Naughty Dog can accomplish on the PS4.

Wow. A human-being actually said something incredibly stupid.

Just wow.

I think when you take his entire conversation into account, and not just the "perfect gaming PC line" he makes a lot of logical points. The PS4 is not going to have to run a bloated OS. The PS4 is going to have a very large amount of RAM. The PS4 is going to be easy to develop on, and is designed around more than just specs. 

How is this even controversial? I mean, most people have already stated this as pretty much fact. Do you guys even realize what a huge turnaround this is for Sony -- to have developers actually praising them for how the machine is designed, I mean? Look back at how most developers felt about PS2 development, and you'll see why this is such a big deal. 

I think when you take his entire conversation into account, and not just the "perfect gaming PC line" he makes a lot of logical points. The PS4 is not going to have to run a bloated OS. The PS4 is going to have a very large amount of RAM. The PS4 is going to be easy to develop on, and is designed around more than just specs. 

How is this even controversial? I mean, most people have already stated this as pretty much fact. Do you guys even realize what a huge turnaround this is for Sony -- to have developers actually praising them for how the machine is designed, I mean? Look back at how most developers felt about PS2 development, and you'll see why this is such a big deal. 

Shame-usBlackley

I think when you take his entire conversation into account, and not just the "perfect gaming PC line" he makes a lot of logical points. The PS4 is not going to have to run a bloated OS. The PS4 is going to have a very large amount of RAM. The PS4 is going to be easy to develop on, and is designed around more than just specs. 

How is this even controversial?

Shame-usBlackley

More like a low end PC. This Epic guy is such a fvcking idiot that words fail to do his ignorance justice.GodModeEnabled

The PC brigade is going to love this thread. I predict a lot of 'Epic doesn't understand hardware like I do' posts.CarnageHeart

That's exactly why I made this thread. I wanted to go with the other quote in the article "It's like giving you the world's best PC," but that would've been too easy. :P

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

I think when you take his entire conversation into account, and not just the "perfect gaming PC line" he makes a lot of logical points. The PS4 is not going to have to run a bloated OS. The PS4 is going to have a very large amount of RAM. The PS4 is going to be easy to develop on, and is designed around more than just specs. 

How is this even controversial? I mean, most people have already stated this as pretty much fact. Do you guys even realize what a huge turnaround this is for Sony -- to have developers actually praising them for how the machine is designed, I mean? Look back at how most developers felt about PS2 development, and you'll see why this is such a big deal. 

AlexKidd5000

It's not just the windows overhead. It's a whole host of things that keep developers from taking full advantage of current PC GPUs. A GTX 580 is just as powerful as the PS4 GPU but I can promise you that it wont run next gen games as well as a PS4. Developers will have just one GPU to work with when it comes to the PS4. One CPU, one set of specs. They will learn it inside and out. 

And the memory used by windows is a lot slower than what the PS4 will be using, so that's not comparable either. 

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

I think when you take his entire conversation into account, and not just the "perfect gaming PC line" he makes a lot of logical points. The PS4 is not going to have to run a bloated OS. The PS4 is going to have a very large amount of RAM. The PS4 is going to be easy to develop on, and is designed around more than just specs. 

How is this even controversial?

LongZhiZi

I wouldn't call a major game dev dumb. He has to respond to the market. Because a significant portion of the market has the memory limitations due to 64 bit OS, they have to devote resources to making the game work within those limitations. Furthermore, map designs have to cater to the limit. 

This PS4 hyperhype is getting f*cking ridiculous.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

I think when you take his entire conversation into account, and not just the "perfect gaming PC line" he makes a lot of logical points. The PS4 is not going to have to run a bloated OS. The PS4 is going to have a very large amount of RAM. The PS4 is going to be easy to develop on, and is designed around more than just specs. 

How is this even controversial?

LongZhiZi

It never ceases to amuse me how console gamers always take the opportunity to crap all over PC gaming, but as soon as their precious consoles are labeled as or directly compared to PC's they're over the moon.

Anyway, the PS4 basically is a PC and it will be like a great gaming PC, just not for people who actually want to play PC games.

Nvidia: "Ps4 sux. Buy our vidoe cards instaed!1"Black_Knight_00

Actually, Nvidia passed on console hardware for the next generation as they deemed it wasn't worth it for them. Nvidia is in a much better and healthier position as they are operating with a profit whereas AMD is rather troubled right now as they posted a huge loss.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Nvidia: "Ps4 sux. Buy our vidoe cards instaed!1"UpInFlames

Actually, Nvidia passed on console hardware for the next generation as they deemed it wasn't worth it for them. Nvidia is in a much better and healthier position as they are operating with a profit whereas AMD is rather troubled right now as they posted a huge loss.

Wow, it's great to hear this from the epic guys. Good stuff.

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Nvidia: "Ps4 sux. Buy our vidoe cards instaed!1"Black_Knight_00

Actually, Nvidia passed on console hardware for the next generation as they deemed it wasn't worth it for them. Nvidia is in a much better and healthier position as they are operating with a profit whereas AMD is rather troubled right now as they posted a huge loss.

Haven't heard anything like that.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

Actually, Nvidia passed on console hardware for the next generation as they deemed it wasn't worth it for them. Nvidia is in a much better and healthier position as they are operating with a profit whereas AMD is rather troubled right now as they posted a huge loss.

UpInFlames

Haven't heard anything like that.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/nvidia-compares-ps4-specs-to-a-low-end-cpu-1138051

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/150892-nvidia-gave-amd-ps4-because-console-margins-are-terrible

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ps4-not-worth-the-cost-says-nvidia-6405300

http://www.destructoid.com/nvidia-pc-game-sales-will-surpass-console-game-sales-212102.phtml

PS4 is going to be awesome, couldn't care about PC

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Nvidia: "Ps4 sux. Buy our vidoe cards instaed!1"UpInFlames

Actually, Nvidia passed on console hardware for the next generation as they deemed it wasn't worth it for them. Nvidia is in a much better and healthier position as they are operating with a profit whereas AMD is rather troubled right now as they posted a huge loss.

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Nvidia has been on a propaganda campaign against consoles for the last 6 months. They're as close to the PC fanboy status as a company can get.

Black_Knight_00

Haven't heard anything like that.

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/nvidia-compares-ps4-specs-to-a-low-end-cpu-1138051

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/150892-nvidia-gave-amd-ps4-because-console-margins-are-terrible

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ps4-not-worth-the-cost-says-nvidia-6405300

http://www.destructoid.com/nvidia-pc-game-sales-will-surpass-console-game-sales-212102.phtml

Nothing much out of the ordinary there. They did console stuff for two generations in a row, so there must be a valid reason why they thought it wasn't worth it for them this time around. Nvidia talks a lot of stuff which is rather slanted, but it's not that far off either (for example, when you look at hard specs, PS4 CPU is low-end and the console as a whole is pretty much a mid-range PC). So what? They're hyping their product and markets. That's like saying Sony is a PlayStation fanatic.

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Nvidia: "Ps4 sux. Buy our vidoe cards instaed!1"rragnaar

Actually, Nvidia passed on console hardware for the next generation as they deemed it wasn't worth it for them. Nvidia is in a much better and healthier position as they are operating with a profit whereas AMD is rather troubled right now as they posted a huge loss.

Nvidia is on top right now whereas AMD has been playing catch-up for a while now.

And having next-gen consoles architecture so similar to PC's (even if it's AMD GPU's) will only make console game optimization on PC even easier for them.

Well it looks like the PS4 is pleasing devs across the board. Sony is doing it right this time. 

Epic sucks now though. If I buy a PS4, it surely won't be because of their support.

Nothing much out of the ordinary there. They did console stuff for two generations in a row, so there must be a valid reason why they thought it wasn't worth it for them this time around. Nvidia talks a lot of stuff which is rather slanted, but it's not that far off either (for example, when you look at hard specs, PS4 CPU is low-end and the console as a whole is pretty much a mid-range PC). So what? They're hyping their product and markets. That's like saying Sony is a PlayStation fanatic.

UpInFlames

] There's selling your products and there's slandering the competition. Nvidia makes it sound as though the PS4 will be inadequate, whereas the PS3 proved you can achieve incredible graphics with frankly meager system specs. Nvidia realizes that the gap between PC and consoles has almost been filled in the last 7 years and that investing in expensive hardware is no longer required in order to play the latest and greatest games. They sound scared to me.Black_Knight_00

What? If anything, every console generation fails more and more to initially surpass PC gaming in capabilities. Are you too young to remember that historically, the PC had to catch up to the new generation of consoles for the first year or so?

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]] There's selling your products and there's slandering the competition. Nvidia makes it sound as though the PS4 will be inadequate, whereas the PS3 proved you can achieve incredible graphics with frankly meager system specs. Nvidia realizes that the gap between PC and consoles has almost been filled in the last 7 years and that investing in expensive hardware is no longer required in order to play the latest and greatest games. They sound scared to me.ReddestSkies

What? If anything, every console generation fails more and more to initially surpass PC gaming in capabilities. Are you too young to remember that historically, the PC had to catch up to the new generation of consoles for the first year or so?

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]] There's selling your products and there's slandering the competition. Nvidia makes it sound as though the PS4 will be inadequate, whereas the PS3 proved you can achieve incredible graphics with frankly meager system specs. Nvidia realizes that the gap between PC and consoles has almost been filled in the last 7 years and that investing in expensive hardware is no longer required in order to play the latest and greatest games. They sound scared to me.Black_Knight_00

What? If anything, every console generation fails more and more to initially surpass PC gaming in capabilities. Are you too young to remember that historically, the PC had to catch up to the new generation of consoles for the first year or so?

So you are too young to remember that.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

What? If anything, every console generation fails more and more to initially surpass PC gaming in capabilities. Are you too young to remember that historically, the PC had to catch up to the new generation of consoles for the first year or so?

ReddestSkies

So you are too young to remember that.

Only difference is the graphics are better on the PC, you can pirate games for free and you can also multi-task on a PC..I mean its really NOT the same at all.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

So you are too young to remember that.

ReddestSkies

Before:

New console at launch: very very good, better than PC

PC need 1 or 2 year to be very very good like new console

Now: New console not better than PC

Is that dumb enough for you, Mr. Troll?

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

So you are too young to remember that.

ReddestSkies

Before:

New console at launch: very very good, better than PC

PC need 1 or 2 year to be very very good like new console

Now: New console not better than PC

Is that dumb enough for you, Mr. Troll?

You sure love to call everyone a troll.

Well one great thing came from this thread. That dude is gone.dvader654

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="dvader654"]Well one great thing came from this thread. That dude is gone.dvader654

An example that comes to mind is the N64 launch. Super Mario 64 graphically eclipsed everything on the PC until the release of Quake 2 a year later.

I can't think of a PC game that looked as good as Halo for a while.

ReddestSkies

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[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

An example that comes to mind is the N64 launch. Super Mario 64 graphically eclipsed everything on the PC until the release of Quake 2 a year later.

I can't think of a PC game that looked as good as Halo for a while.

Black_Knight_00

SS, AVP2, Star Trek: EF and Red Faction were inferior to Halo from a graphical standpoint, some of those by a wide margin. Having not played RTCW and Operation Flashpoint when they came out (or ever, no interest), I won't comment on those.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

An example that comes to mind is the N64 launch. Super Mario 64 graphically eclipsed everything on the PC until the release of Quake 2 a year later.

I can't think of a PC game that looked as good as Halo for a while.

ReddestSkies

SS, AVP2, Star Trek: EF and Red Faction were inferior to Halo from a graphical standpoint, some of those by a wide margin. Having not played RTCW and Operation Flashpoint when they came out (or ever, no interest), I won't comment on those.

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

An example that comes to mind is the N64 launch. Super Mario 64 graphically eclipsed everything on the PC until the release of Quake 2 a year later.

I can't think of a PC game that looked as good as Halo for a while.

Black_Knight_00