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#1 PutASpongeOn
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So I was just thinking about the difference between the generations and I have to say, I prefer this gen a lot more than I did last gen, even if you ignore the spec differences.

Last gen there were certainly standout games, even ones that didn't get a lot of love like Folklore, Puppeteer, Playstation All-Stars: Battle Royale, Motorstorm Apocalypse, etc etc, however I will without a doubt give this generation the winning title even though last gen was super long for amount of games on it.

For the sake of argument (the time gap), I'm going to count cross gen games as 8th generation games.

I'm going to count wii u games and switch games as 8th gen since ps4/xbox one aren't done, though I won't list too many games from them. This is due to the fact that a ps5 and next gen xbox aren't revealed yet yet the switch is out already.

Just as a side comment, Hitman > Hitman Absolution

Okay so let's get into it.

Last gen certainly had it's standouts but it had a lot of rather shitty and by the numbers games for the most part.

Standouts include Shadowrun: Returns, the Arkham series, Bioshock series, Mass Effect 1-3, Assassins Creed 2, Borderlands 2, Red Dead Redemption (haven't played it but off of what I've heard), The Last of Us (same), Dishonored, Left 4 Dead 2, Uncharted (I guess, not for me), MGS 4, Catherine, God of War 3, Bayonetta, Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, The EDF Series, Heavy Rain, Super Smash Bros Brawl Fallout New Vegas, Dragon Age: Origins, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Sleeping Dogs, Yakuza 3-5, Journey, Dead Space, The Witcher 2, Dead Nation, Resi 4-6, Valkyria Chronicles, Resi Revelations, Infamous 1-2, some Disgaea games, Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War 2, Vanquish, XCOM, CIV 5, the games I listed above, and some more I'm positive.

But let's look at this generation now:

Shadowrun: Dragonfall, Shadowrun: Hong Kong, Alien: Isolation, The Evil Within, Bayonetta 2, Bloodborne, Dark Souls 2 and 3, Nier Automata, Doom, Final Fantasy XV, Gravity Rush 2, Yakuza 0, MGS 5, Resogun, Alienation, Rocket League, Shovel Knight, Overwatch, Broforce, The Witcher 3, Undertale, Persona 5, The Last Guardian (better than the nothing from said studio last gen), The King of Fighters XIV, World of Final Fantasy, Project Setsuna, Just Cause 3, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (worse than human revolution but it's still better than 99.999% of the stuff out there), Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth, Dishonored 2, Titanfall 2, Disgaea 5, Nioh, Shadow of Mordor, Wasteland 2, Paladins, Let It Die, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Uncharted 4 (haven't played), Civ 6 (best civ base game yet), Ratchet and Clank, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Dying Light, Valiant Hearts, Life Is Strange, Until Dawn, Soma, Transistor, The Banner Saga 1 and 2, The Wonderful 101, Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Dragon Quest: Builders, Shadow Warrior 2, Resi 7, Shadow Tactics, Dragonball Xenoverse 1 and 2, Steep, Helldivers, Infamous Second Son, Hyper Light Drifter, Salt and Sanctuary, Wolfenstein The Old Blood and New Order, Inside, Trackmania Turbo, Watch Dogs 2, Outlast, Hotline Miami 2, Rogue Legacy, Darkest Dungeon, Resi Revelations 2, Furi, Styx 2, Planet Coaster, Aragami, Stardew Valley, Thumper, Torment: Tides of Numenera, Party Hard, Shadwen, Enter the Gungeon, Super Smash Bros Wii U, Broken Age, Toukiden 2, Thimbleweed Park, Apotheon, Tyranny, Pillars of Eternity, Vermintide, Total War: Warhammer, Child of Light, Divinity: Original Sin, Nidhogg, Arkham Knight, Ori and the Blind Forest, Cities: Skylines, Axiom Verge, Forza games, Invisible, Inc, XCOM 2, Firewatch (haven't played), We Are the Dwarves, The Dwarves, Pokken Tournament, Splatoon, Superhot, Killing Floor 2, Bound, Magicka 2, Ronin, etc etc.

I didn't include a lot of games like fallout 3, 4, dragon age inquisition, mad max, etc etc because I've either not played them or I think they are pretty bad games. Same with stuff like battlefield and cod.

Overall these are 2 very incomplete lists but I've pretty much bought all the games I want for ps3 already while ps4 I've yet to even touch the surface and there are still tons coming like:

Ni no Kuni 2, a game that not only fixes the issue with the first one (combat), it also adds tons of other interesting things and just seems like an exceptional game.

God of War, Prey to the Gods, Dragon Quest Heroes 2, Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War 3, Yakuza Kiwami, Yakuza 6, Nex Machina, MatterFall (made by the dev of alienation, dead nation, and resogun), The Last of Us Part 2, Spider-Man, Shadow of War, Dead Dead Redemption 2, Injustice 2, Marvel vs Capcom Infinite, What Remains of Edith Finch, Splatoon 2, Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Kingdom Hearts 3, Outlast 2, Syberia 3, Knack 2, The Evil Within 2 (not official reveal but they got the trademark for it, well the japan name), an Assassins Creed, Lords of the Fallen and Destiny 2 that might not suck, Little Nightmares, Strafe, Prey (I'm meh about it but people are hyped), The Surge, Get Even, Rime, Tekken 7, Dirt 4, The Bards Tale IV, Shenmue 3, A Hat in Time, Absolver, Ace Combat 7, Agony, Call of Cthulhu, Yonder, Dauntless, Death's Gambit, Divinity: Original Sin 2, Detroit: Become Human, Dreams, EDF 5, Freedom Planet 2, Frozen Synapse 2, Guilty Gear Xrd: Rev 2, Hellblade, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Star Citizen, The Escapists 2, The Guild 3, The Sexy Brutale, The Wild Eight, Tokyo 42 (this is an interesting one), Total War: Warhammer 2, Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, New Hot Shots Golf, new Need for Speed, new Pikmin, new Animal Crossing, Vampyr, Windjammers, Bloodstained, Shin Megami Tensei, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Fire Emblem new game, MechWarrior 5: Merceneries, Pillars of Eternity 2, Project Phoenix, Psychonauts 2, System Shock, Sunless Skies, New Battlefront that has a single player and stuff, Star Wars game by Visceral, Days Gone, Cyberpunk 2077, Death Stranding, Endless Space 2, Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom, Mount and Blade 2, Parkitect, Pit People (castlecrashers and battleblock theater dev), Unreal Tournament, Wasteland 3, new Armored Core, and TONS of other games + tons of games that haven't been revealed but we know are coming like suckerpunch's next game, some of the exclusives hinted for ps4, 2 from soft games not counting the armored core that is coming, a new Ken Levine game, new ip from bioware, and tons of others.

This gen shits on last gen for sheer quantity of quality.

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I have to agree. Games are getting better and better.

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@outworld222 said:

I have to agree. Games are getting better and better.

Yeah, so many good games that I have to get that are a good 1-2 years old + tons more upcoming as well.

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@putaspongeon: Overall I do agree but a few games I'd like to note that just haven't done it for me in recent years-

Little Big Planet 3 is garbage next to Little Big Planet 1, 2, or Vita. LBP3 might actually be one of the worst PlayStation exclusive I've played in a very long-time. I don't know why this was given to Sumo Digital.

Resident Evil 7 despite being a very good horror game has many issues I cannot overlook. It's tough to say if it's better than the last few. For one, the FP perspective really doesn't do the linear design much favors. Then again The Evil Within counts as this generation and is close to a Resident Evil game, and I personally rank TEW>>Resi5/6.

I've played Tekken 7 in the Arcades so will share my disappointment, and that of many fan outcries. I wouldn't hold your breath if you think this is a good entry in the series. Compared to Tekken Tag Tournament 2 it's basically the Soul Calibur V. Prettier but the new features and gimmicks break the already established mechanics in the franchise. To break it down in simple terms- Super moves do not work in a 3D fighter, never have, and Tekken was never built around the feature. And it's why T7 is already being heavily criticised. Wouldn't surprise me if Bandai Namco just re-release the beloved TTT2 on current hardware.

Lastly I also haven't seen a Beat em' Up this generation of consoles that has outdone the likes of Dragon's Crown and Castle Crashers. Mother Russia Bleeds was a reasonably decent gem, but not close to something like Dragon's Crown.

Outside of those I've been very satisfied with games, especially Action RPGs.

I feel they've become so polished and varied this generation it makes me wonder what will come out later :D

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Yup, games are always getting better.

I won't rob anyone of their right to look back fondly on a few games, but to look back on an entire era or time period and think of it as better simply because it is older is ridiculous.

There's definitely a lot more garbage nowadays, though, that's for sure. But also a lot more awesome.

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@RSM-HQ said:

@putaspongeon: Overall I do agree but a few games I'd like to note that just haven't done it for me in recent years-

Little Big Planet 3 is garbage next to Little Big Planet 1, 2, or Vita. LBP3 might actually be one of the worst PlayStation exclusive I've played in a very long-time. I don't know why this was given to Sumo Digital.

Resident Evil 7 despite being a very good horror game has many issues I cannot overlook. It's tough to say if it's better than the last few. For one, the FP perspective really doesn't do the linear design much favors. Then again The Evil Within counts as this generation and is close to a Resident Evil game, and I personally rank TEW>>Resi5/6.

I've played Tekken 7 in the Arcades so will share my disappointment, and that of many fan outcries. I wouldn't hold your breath if you think this is a good entry in the series. Compared to Tekken Tag Tournament 2 it's basically the Soul Calibur V. Prettier but the new features and gimmicks break the already established mechanics in the franchise. To break it down in simple terms- Super moves do not work in a 3D fighter, never have, and Tekken was never built around the feature. And it's why T7 is already being heavily criticised. Wouldn't surprise me if Bandai Namco just re-release the beloved TTT2 on current hardware.

Lastly I also haven't seen a Beat em' Up this generation of consoles that has outdone the likes of Dragon's Crown and Castle Crashers. Mother Russia Bleeds was a reasonably decent gem, but not close to something like Dragon's Crown.

Outside of those I've been very satisfied with games, especially Action RPGs.

I feel they've become so polished and varied this generation it makes me wonder what will come out later :D

Little Big Planet 3: Eh, it's whatever, certain games aren't as good, for example arkham knight was disappointing, that doesn't stop the overall theme of it all

I added resident evil 7 not because it cancels out resi 4-6, just that it's another game of many to make this generation superior to the last. The Evil Within is heavily underrated though.

I enjoy a lot of the games from last generation as I've stated, it's not "there are no good games last gen", it's just that this generation is superior.

For a beat em up, there is a very interesting game in that style called Crawl, it's a game that entirely focuses on local gameplay, as in there are always 4 in a match and only 4, however many aren't human players in a couch co op setting (so up to 4 players can play couch co op) is replaced by pretty decent ai. You pretty much have 1 human fighting through 3 people who are after you, they play spirits who possess traps and monster (at the end the boss) circles to try to kill the hero, the point is to become the hero by killing the hero and then fighting through the dungeon while leveling up (monsters level up as well) and get to the boss, then defeat the boss.

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Yakuza is your best bet for 3d beat em up

Gang Beasts is pretty sick

Looking into it more, River City Ransom: Underground came out recently

I think we're doing pretty fine for beat em ups, both 3d and 2d, I'm mainly wanting some more hack and slash, I'm upset that god of war wasn't a hack and slash with the upcoming game, though at least we have platinum games still. =w=

Hopefully my op and this one can help you discover some new games to enjoy.

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#7  Edited By RSM-HQ
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@putaspongeon:

Little Big Planet 3: Eh, it's whatever, certain games aren't as good, for example arkham knight was disappointing, that doesn't stop the overall theme of it all

I think you misunderstand. LBP3 is a broken game. It has data erasing glitches that trigger from doing the most basic of things within the game. The added layers are actually one of the reasons the game breaks down so much; because they just modified the previous engine without testing it. Sumo also went on to state very early on they never had plans to patch the game for improved performance and blamed the community for the games short comings. Little Big Planet 3 isn't just a mediocre game. . It's an insult to what was otherwise a successful PlayStation IP.

Crawl isn't a Beat Em' Up. It's a Rouge arena game, like games such as The Binding of Isaac and to some extent classic game Smash T.V.

Reading onto Gang Beasts. . . It goes without saying Beat Em' Ups are usually miss-understood, and the term is taken too literal. But they are games that follow what are known as the Double Dragon template. Which was expanded on with games like Final Fight, Streets of Rage, and Golden Axe. And as of now I don't see one that's out doing a game like Dragon's Crown or Castle Crashers. As stated the only one close in terms of quality that I've played is Mother Russia Bleeds. The game is pretty fun but has some issues and not as tightly tuned as the two from the previous generation.

Though admittedly I haven't invested in River City Ransom: Underground. Reason I'm avoiding it right now is because it's reported to be in Beta, and has a lot of unresolved bugs and design issues that are going to be patched soon.

As for 3D Beat Em' Ups, like Yakuza series. It's a different want really. . And it's a whole different genre to me. It's like comparing a 3rd Person Shooter to a FPS.

I'm not trying to seem whiny, I like this generation overall, and love the games I'm playing for the most part. Currently in my forth playthrough of Nioh and that game is amazing, as you can tell I'm in full agreement with Hack n' Slash :)

I need moar games like that, and I'd even take another game like Dante's Inferno xD Platinum has delivered a nice mix with Nier: Automata. But overall I count it as a Action RPG. For the most part it's Action RPGs that are fulfilling my want for Hack n' Slash games.

Bayonetta 3 and DMC5 however I really want lol

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@putaspongeon: unfortunately Dead Genres aren't becoming Better:

No body risks making Beat'em up Games.(even if they do they make a hybrid of it with other genres like Open Worlds/RPGS. eg, Batman and Yakuza)

3D fighting games are somehow dying.Virtua Fighter and Soulcalibur are dead in this generation,Dead Or Alive has become more a DLC shop for Team Ninja than a Real Fighting Game.Tekken takes 2-3 years to get a Console Port.

Hack'n Slash Genre is also getting replaced by inferior DarkSouls clones.

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@RSM-HQ said:

@putaspongeon:

Little Big Planet 3: Eh, it's whatever, certain games aren't as good, for example arkham knight was disappointing, that doesn't stop the overall theme of it all

I think you misunderstand. LBP3 is a broken game. It has data erasing glitches that trigger from doing the most basic of things within the game. The added layers are actually one of the reasons the game breaks down so much; because they just modified the previous engine without testing it. Sumo also went on to state very early on they never had plans to patch the game for improved performance and blamed the community for the games short comings. Little Big Planet 3 isn't just a mediocre game. . It's an insult to what was otherwise a successful PlayStation IP.

Crawl isn't a Beat Em' Up. It's a Rouge arena game, like games such as The Binding of Isaac and to some extent classic game Smash T.V.

Reading onto Gang Beasts. . . It goes without saying Beat Em' Ups are usually miss-understood, and the term is taken too literal. But they are games that follow what are known as the Double Dragon template. Which was expanded on with games like Final Fight, Streets of Rage, and Golden Axe. And as of now I don't see one that's out doing a game like Dragon's Crown or Castle Crashers. As stated the only one close in terms of quality that I've played is Mother Russia Bleeds. The game is pretty fun but has some issues and not as tightly tuned as the two from the previous generation.

Though admittedly I haven't invested in River City Ransom: Underground. Reason I'm avoiding it right now is because it's reported to be in Beta, and has a lot of unresolved bugs and design issues that are going to be patched soon.

As for 3D Beat Em' Ups, like Yakuza series. It's a different want really. . And it's a whole different genre to me. It's like comparing a 3rd Person Shooter to a FPS.

I'm not trying to seem whiny, I like this generation overall, and love the games I'm playing for the most part. Currently in my forth playthrough of Nioh and that game is amazing, as you can tell I'm in full agreement with Hack n' Slash :)

I need moar games like that, and I'd even take another game like Dante's Inferno xD Platinum has delivered a nice mix with Nier: Automata. But overall I count it as a Action RPG. For the most part it's Action RPGs that are fulfilling my want for Hack n' Slash games.

Bayonetta 3 and DMC5 however I really want lol

The concept of beat em up is that you are fighting multiple people at once through cqc without the intricate designs of an rpg like prep leading up to the fight that would turn a beat em up into a hack and slash apparently.

It's a beat em up, rogue-lite/like doesn't disallow a game from being an action game. The Binding of Isaac would be a beat em up if it focused on cqc combat and not ranged combat, the differentiation turns it into a twin stick shooter rogue-lite.

Technically Nier Automata is a hack and slash rpg.

What ever became of the bayonetta tease game? I remember the 8-bit bayonetta game came to steam for free and if you got a certain score you got revealed that in 10 days (from then), there would be some news. That turned an april fools thing into something else, so in like 2-3 days we apparently are going to get a reveal for bayonetta, likely that bayonetta 1 and possibly bayonetta 2 are coming to steam.

I honestly would buy a konami game if they had platinum develop another mgs rising game.

But yeah, overall crawl is a beat em up or hack and slash though it has some range options when you're the monster (arrows and slime balls and stuff), however at it's core it's those prior genres, it being a rogue-lite doesn't really change that fact, much like how yakuza 5 having driving doesn't stop it from being a beat em up/hack n' slash rpg.

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@dorog1995 said:

@putaspongeon: unfortunately Dead Genres aren't becoming Better:

No body risks making Beat'em up Games.(even if they do they make a hybrid of it with other genres like Open Worlds/RPGS. eg, Batman and Yakuza)

3D fighting games are somehow dying.Virtua Fighter and Soulcalibur are dead in this generation,Dead Or Alive has become more a DLC shop for Team Ninja than a Real Fighting Game.Tekken takes 2-3 years to get a Console Port.

Hack'n Slash Genre is also getting replaced by inferior DarkSouls clones.

I mean let's be honest, the best fighting games are blazblue and guilty gear, also you can always play virtua fighter in yakuza games :P

Soul Calibur was pretty good but I still prefer games like the king of fighters and marvel vs capcom that aim for more offensive and movement.

Honestly the only bad dark souls clone is lords of the fallen and they could improve that with their upcoming second game. Nioh was arguably better than dark souls.

I personally like bloodborne more than dark souls as well.

I don't see yakuza having rpg elements a deal breaker, if anything it's improving on the genre. We also have shenmue 3 becoming a reality.

The current and upcoming games offer A LOT of diversity of gameplay, last generation lacked this and it was a bunch of 3rd person cover shooters for the most part. I am upset that god of war isn't a hack and slash really anything but beyond that I'm pretty happy with the games lineup. I would like a bayonetta 3 though and a folklore remaster/reboot or something though.

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I hear you,

When I talk to my friends about this I always like to bring up movies, in the movie industry their are currently some of the best writers and directors of our time.

More recently (in the past decade) in the gaming industry the same thing is happening. The ever changing new generation of game developers are constantly testing the boundaries. As well as some of the most solid solo campaign story lines! We're talking story lines so rich in story telling that it immerses and captivates the gamer.

What a time to be alive

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@fenderkiller17 said:

I hear you,

When I talk to my friends about this I always like to bring up movies, in the movie industry their are currently some of the best writers and directors of our time.

More recently (in the past decade) in the gaming industry the same thing is happening. The ever changing new generation of game developers are constantly testing the boundaries. As well as some of the most solid solo campaign story lines! Were talking story lines so rich in story telling that it immerses and captivates the gamer.

What a time to be alive

Yeah, I mainly wanted to just compile a decent but nowhere near exhaustive list for the people who don't have games to play, while also to kind of destroy the notion that some people have that this generation is anywhere near bad or underwhelming.

Heck even if you factor out stories, there are games that are just great gameplay experiences that are both long and others that are just great for quick spurts of couch co op and stuff.

I'm heavily impressed with this generation and timespan.

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@putaspongeon: Well said, Couldn't agree more.

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I have also noticed that developers are doing away with the grey and brown that dominated last gen. Games are much more colorful now than they were before, and we have a plethora of gaming devices to suit our needs, including the Xbox One Elite controller. I have fully converted myself into a dual analog pad gamer, when I used to be something of a southpaw (due to N64 and Dreamcast titles), and now I don't need a HOTAS to enjoy most space combat games. Dead genres like 6DoF (six degrees of freedom) shooters are also coming back and I couldn't be happier.

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to me this gen has only really got going in the past 12 months. after a couple of years in the wilderness with relative slim pickings when it came to great games it feels like the industry has finally got its shit together and started to collectively raise the bar. the remastered / definitive edition "release for the sake of a release / cash-in" phase seems to be on the wane, the "must make everything open world" mindset is hopefully dwindling and there's tons of great games either out right now or on the horizon. too many to play at the moment, which is amazing.

the difficulty in comparing gens for me is my taste as a gamer is constantly evolving, my tolerance for certain mechanics or a lack of more accomplished ones decreases significantly as time passes, my cynicism grows and my appetite for certain game styles ebbs and flows. but as good as this gen is proving to be i'd still say that there are certain games from last gen that haven't been overshadowed by equivalents this gen just yet for me:

gears trilogy

mario galaxy

orange box

halo 3 / reach

crysis / warhead

r6 las vegas 1/2

black flag

stalker trilogy

all provided experiences that have yet to be toppled for me. but this gen has still provided some amazing experiences so far. and that's even with me limiting myself to just a console whereas previously i'd always been a pc gamer first, consolite second. so regardless, the future is bright

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@putaspongeon: You can see it for however you like. But it's worth noting I don't come up with these genre-terms; but as stated it's a terminology based around the Double Dragon Template. And that's what makes a Beat Em' Up into its own bracket. Otherwise they'd all be called Fighting games which would be massively misleading.

Destructoid covered a great article on Beat Em' Ups a while back, and sadly can't find a link but it's worth reading if you can find it. Had a ton of research into it and the fundamentals on what makes a Beat Em' Up, what it is. If I recall the article was made in response to Guacamelee being considered a Beat Em' Up. And for all logic, the closest thing to a Beat Em' Up that's termed differently is most MetroidVania games like Guacamelee.

Having up close melee combat is only a part of what makes a Beat Em' Up, a Beat Em' Up. But if you think otherwise that's fine, the know of what is and what isn't is more vague now than it ever has been.

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I don't agree at all.

To me this gen to me just feels like a more broken version of last gen. There have been a few solid titles, but most everything else just seems like an inferior version of what was done last time, only with more screwing over of the consumer, with more and more broken releases, micro-transactions, and DLC.

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Well this gen took a long time before it got any traction after the very long Wii/WiiU/PS3/360 gen that saw DLC, microtransaction become a thing.

A lot of game during that gen were really not that great because of it.

This gen had the remaster thing going on which didn't help at all.

But on PS4 since Bloodborne came out, it really became fun and interesting.

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Yeah I feel that they are as well.

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@putaspongeon: You can see it for however you like. But it's worth noting I don't come up with these genre-terms; but as stated it's a terminology based around the Double Dragon Template. And that's what makes a Beat Em' Up into its own bracket. Otherwise they'd all be called Fighting games which would be massively misleading.

Destructoid covered a great article on Beat Em' Ups a while back, and sadly can't find a link but it's worth reading if you can find it. Had a ton of research into it and the fundamentals on what makes a Beat Em' Up, what it is. If I recall the article was made in response to Guacamelee being considered a Beat Em' Up. And for all logic, the closest thing to a Beat Em' Up that's termed differently is most MetroidVania games like Guacamelee.

Having up close melee combat is only a part of what makes a Beat Em' Up, a Beat Em' Up. But if you think otherwise that's fine, the know of what is and what isn't is more vague now than it ever has been.

You aren't using the correct genre terms though.

Fighting games isn't really as much a genre as much as a whole umbrella term that makes up games of all times, it's like trying to define something as action instead of an fps or hack and slash.

Realistically there no court to decide what all these video game terms are so there is a lot of chaos in a way, for example people call rogue-lite games rogue-like even though they are two distinctly different types of games.

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Games always get better, PS2 games look amateur stuff compared to PS3 best games, PS4 probably will have a similar relation to PS3 in the future.

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#22  Edited By PutASpongeOn
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I don't agree at all.

To me this gen to me just feels like a more broken version of last gen. There have been a few solid titles, but most everything else just seems like an inferior version of what was done last time, only with more screwing over of the consumer, with more and more broken releases, micro-transactions, and DLC.

Read the list, this gen objectively has more quantity of quality over last gen and it's not even close to over yet. Also honestly the best games of this gen are better by miles than the best games of last gen.

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@putaspongeon: I don't like repeating myself. But the genre terms are up for debate usually but hold because they stop people buying a game they'd enjoy over something entirely different.

Now you're telling me Fighting games isn't a genre. . . Well, not sure why you think that. . A small search will find you this, just put "Fighting games" into a search engine-

A fighting game is a video game genre in which the player controls an on-screen character and engages in close combat with an opponent, which can be either an AI or controlled by another player. The fight matches typically consist of several rounds and take place in an arena, while each character has widely differing abilities but each is relatively viable to choice. Players must master techniques such as blocking, counter-attacking, and chaining attacks together into "combos". Since the early 1990s, most fighting games allow the player to execute Special Attacks by performing specific input combinations. The fighting game genre is related to but distinct from Beat em' Ups.

Just don't go to a Street Fighter dedicated Forum saying stuff like "Fighting games isn't really as much a genre as much as a whole umbrella term", they'll rip right into you lol.

Again I don't make this stuff up, and yeah Rouge-Lite is the genre name I should have used for The Binding of Isaac. That one is actually on me. And fully know it's my error xD

For the record I don't even really like a lot of these genre terminologies but it stops me buying games like Crawl when I'm looking for something closer to Dragon's Crown. Which is what this debate in your thread started with.

I remain dissatisfied this generation with a lack of top quality Beat Em' Ups. Though I'm sure it will only be a matter of time_

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#24  Edited By deactivated-5e90a3763ea91
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In reality, this gen is probably about the same as the last gen. You lose something, you gain something. You gain something, you lose something.

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@putaspongeon said:
@spike6958 said:

I don't agree at all.

To me this gen to me just feels like a more broken version of last gen. There have been a few solid titles, but most everything else just seems like an inferior version of what was done last time, only with more screwing over of the consumer, with more and more broken releases, micro-transactions, and DLC.

Read the list, this gen objectively has more quantity of quality over last gen and it's not even close to over yet. Also honestly the best games of this gen are better by miles than the best games of last gen.

Quality over quantity can only go so far. When 90% of the generations games fall into one or more of the three categories I mentioned, just 10% of the games been worthwhile simply isn't enough to class this as the best generation, not even close. Last gen had far more consistent quality, even if the best of last gen aren't as good as the best of this.

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I think this gen is rather piss to be honest but truthfully I wasnt thrilled with last gen either. 6th gen was the bomb.

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@putaspongeon: I don't like repeating myself. But the genre terms are up for debate usually but hold because they stop people buying a game they'd enjoy over something entirely different.

Now you're telling me Fighting games isn't a genre. . . Well, not sure why you think that. . A small search will find you this, just put "Fighting games" into a search engine-

A fighting game is a video game genre in which the player controls an on-screen character and engages in close combat with an opponent, which can be either an AI or controlled by another player. The fight matches typically consist of several rounds and take place in an arena, while each character has widely differing abilities but each is relatively viable to choice. Players must master techniques such as blocking, counter-attacking, and chaining attacks together into "combos". Since the early 1990s, most fighting games allow the player to execute Special Attacks by performing specific input combinations. The fighting game genre is related to but distinct from Beat em' Ups.

Just don't go to a Street Fighter dedicated Forum saying stuff like "Fighting games isn't really as much a genre as much as a whole umbrella term", they'll rip right into you lol.

Again I don't make this stuff up, and yeah Rouge-Lite is the genre name I should have used for The Binding of Isaac. That one is actually on me. And fully know it's my error xD

For the record I don't even really like a lot of these genre terminologies but it stops me buying games like Crawl when I'm looking for something closer to Dragon's Crown. Which is what this debate in your thread started with.

I remain dissatisfied this generation with a lack of top quality Beat Em' Ups. Though I'm sure it will only be a matter of time_

Rogue-Lite is only one aspect of a game though, it's why steam has multiple tabs.

Rogue involves the mapping and all that and not really the type of gameplay. A beat em up can be rogue-like/lite, just the same as say a shooter can be.

I would suggest Crawl if you have friends to couch co op with though, it's a fun game to just pick up and play a few rounds with friends, same with games like brawlhalla (free on steam) and towerfall ascension.

The Binding of Isaac is not a beat em up though, it's more like a twin stick shooter rogue-lite.

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I think a lot of AAA games are devolving a lot in ways, but there are still so many, that the great ones still shine, like Witcher 3 or DOOM or DS3. What I have been loving since getting a pc (2013) is the burgeoning of indie games. I play those more than most AAA games these days. Hotline Miami, Broforce, Party Hard, Hyper Light Drifter, Starbound, Shadow Tactics, etc etc etc.

I think overall, games keep getting better.

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@putaspongeon: I agree and disagree.

Some games are good and with the advancement in tech, Gaming has become better in some areas.

But in other areas like innovation and keeping certain genres alive i strongly disagree.

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@Jacanuk said:

@putaspongeon: I agree and disagree.

Some games are good and with the advancement in tech, Gaming has become better in some areas.

But in other areas like innovation and keeping certain genres alive i strongly disagree.

Idk, I felt like outside of certain cases last generation was extremely weak, yes ps2 gen and stuff was super impressive but ps3/xbox 360? Not so much. PS4 is a return to form I'd say and has great smaller games as well. I mean this is the gen that had stuff like witcher 3 and rocket league. Also even though it's not quite as good as it used to be, grid based games are kind of doing decently. Disgaea 5, Banner Saga series, Chroma Squad, etc etc.

That's a good game btw, Chroma Squad, consider maybe playing it (pc)

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@hillelslovak said:

I think a lot of AAA games are devolving a lot in ways, but there are still so many, that the great ones still shine, like Witcher 3 or DOOM or DS3. What I have been loving since getting a pc (2013) is the burgeoning of indie games. I play those more than most AAA games these days. Hotline Miami, Broforce, Party Hard, Hyper Light Drifter, Starbound, Shadow Tactics, etc etc etc.

I think overall, games keep getting better.

I'd argue the opposite, I say that 7th gen (ps3/xbox 360/wii) was the generation of de-evolution and that this gen is making things better again. I mean the likes of watch dogs 1, mafia 3, and homeland the revolution or whatever it was would have been passed off as good games last gen by gaming media and people and would have sold like hotcakes. Take a look at the games getting attention recently:

Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Resident Evil 7, Nioh, Nier Automata, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc etc.

Anyway like I said to the other guy, try out Chroma Squad, also of course Crawl. Then there is stuff like enter the gungeon, LiSA, and Undertale

I think this is the generation of Japan gaming companies making their return and generic AAA games waning away. Also of indies.

I feel like this generation out of any, good games are getting what they deserve, with only certain games falling through the cracks like The Evil Within.

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@putaspongeon said:
@hillelslovak said:

I think a lot of AAA games are devolving a lot in ways, but there are still so many, that the great ones still shine, like Witcher 3 or DOOM or DS3. What I have been loving since getting a pc (2013) is the burgeoning of indie games. I play those more than most AAA games these days. Hotline Miami, Broforce, Party Hard, Hyper Light Drifter, Starbound, Shadow Tactics, etc etc etc.

I think overall, games keep getting better.

I'd argue the opposite, I say that 7th gen (ps3/xbox 360/wii) was the generation of de-evolution and that this gen is making things better again. I mean the likes of watch dogs 1, mafia 3, and homeland the revolution or whatever it was would have been passed off as good games last gen by gaming media and people and would have sold like hotcakes. Take a look at the games getting attention recently:

Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Resident Evil 7, Nioh, Nier Automata, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc etc.

Anyway like I said to the other guy, try out Chroma Squad, also of course Crawl. Then there is stuff like enter the gungeon, LiSA, and Undertale

I think this is the generation of Japan gaming companies making their return and generic AAA games waning away. Also of indies.

I feel like this generation out of any, good games are getting what they deserve, with only certain games falling through the cracks like The Evil Within.

With devolution, I meant in a lot of mechanical ways, the games have devolved. Things like rpgs with less and less skills and attributes to utilize (F04, ME Andromeda, etc), Games giving you a cursor that points to every objective whilst holding your hand, more and more games coming rushed and unfinished. Things like that.

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@putaspongeon: I already have The Binding of Isaac, and don't think I called it a Beat Em' Up. I simply compared it to Crawl. Have four versions of the amazing game. And to me anyway it's best dubbed as a Rouge-lite game. However it gives me massive Bomber-Man vibes which from what I know was always considered an Arcade-Strategy game in my ol Arcade.

All my friends tend to play on PS4 or 3DS so P.C. options is a no for coop, but thank you for suggesting games. I'm probably going to look back into River City Ransom: Underground and see if it's past Beta yet :)

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@RSM-HQ said:

@putaspongeon: I already have The Binding of Isaac, and don't think I called it a Beat Em' Up. I simply compared it to Crawl. Have four versions of the amazing game. And to me anyway it's best dubbed as a Rouge-lite game. However it gives me massive Bomber-Man vibes which from what I know was always considered an Arcade-Strategy game in my ol Arcade.

All my friends tend to play on PS4 or 3DS so P.C. options is a no for coop, but thank you for suggesting games. I'm probably going to look back into River City Ransom: Underground and see if it's past Beta yet :)

I'm saying that rogue-lite on describes one aspect of a game and that a game can be beat em up and rogue lite, much like Crawl is.

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#35  Edited By PutASpongeOn
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@hillelslovak said:
@putaspongeon said:
@hillelslovak said:

I think a lot of AAA games are devolving a lot in ways, but there are still so many, that the great ones still shine, like Witcher 3 or DOOM or DS3. What I have been loving since getting a pc (2013) is the burgeoning of indie games. I play those more than most AAA games these days. Hotline Miami, Broforce, Party Hard, Hyper Light Drifter, Starbound, Shadow Tactics, etc etc etc.

I think overall, games keep getting better.

I'd argue the opposite, I say that 7th gen (ps3/xbox 360/wii) was the generation of de-evolution and that this gen is making things better again. I mean the likes of watch dogs 1, mafia 3, and homeland the revolution or whatever it was would have been passed off as good games last gen by gaming media and people and would have sold like hotcakes. Take a look at the games getting attention recently:

Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Resident Evil 7, Nioh, Nier Automata, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc etc.

Anyway like I said to the other guy, try out Chroma Squad, also of course Crawl. Then there is stuff like enter the gungeon, LiSA, and Undertale

I think this is the generation of Japan gaming companies making their return and generic AAA games waning away. Also of indies.

I feel like this generation out of any, good games are getting what they deserve, with only certain games falling through the cracks like The Evil Within.

With devolution, I meant in a lot of mechanical ways, the games have devolved. Things like rpgs with less and less skills and attributes to utilize (F04, ME Andromeda, etc), Games giving you a cursor that points to every objective whilst holding your hand, more and more games coming rushed and unfinished. Things like that.

In fallout's defense, bethesda has never made a good fallout game. Black Isles made fallout 1 and 2 and Obsidian made Fallout New Vegas. These also happen to be the ones that are actually decent rpgs.

I don't know where all these unfinished games you are talking about are comign from, but yeah the people in bioware who used to have talent are almost entirely gone, it's only bioware in name post ea purchase.

I haven't regretted a game purchase this entire gen, just stop buying stuff like watch dogs I guess and buy more stuff like yakuza, gravity rush, alienation, the evil within, rocket league, etc etc.

I feel like you're hitting on final fantasy 15 for "incomplete" though, which is not really the case, they wanted to flesh things out more so they kept working on it post launch for free, that's a positive thing.

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I didn't like Witcher 3. Uncharted 4 was same old stuff. Rise of the Tomb Raider Sucked in comparison to the previous game. MGSV added micro transactions. Resident Evil 7 was turned into a first person game. I hate first person games. FromSoft fucked up invasions in DS3. I'm sick of Day 1 patches and broken launch games. EA messed up the Star War Battlefront franchise. Personally this is my least favorite gen. So far I don't like this generation at all.

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Yeah, improvements are made as years go by and I must admit I am amazed with the graphics and the concepts of the new games of this generation. Unlike before, I used to play Sonic underground and Mario Bros. in the family computer but now, even android phones can be downloaded with such wonderful games to play.