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#1 wigan_gamer
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Inconsistent. I have noticed some games get penalised for certain things, and then other games not get penalised for the very same problem. The reviews are also pretty poor occasionally in the way the ratings are given, they say a 5/10 for example and read more like a 2/3 out of 10, or a few others I found read more like a 6/7 out of 10.

Are the reviews meant to be deadly serious on this website? Or am I just reading them too critically?

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They are inconsistent because there are multiple reviewers. If you wanted consistency, then you need a single reviewer, but that is difficult for one person to review every game that comes out so...... plus they are, for the most part opinions.

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The score is pointless. You have to read the whole review to get an idea of the game, which even then is not enough to decide.

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The score is pointless. You have to read the whole review to get an idea of the game, which even then is not enough to decide.

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Did you not read what I said? I said reading the review is not matching up to the score given in some reviews I read...
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[QUOTE="6_Dead_360s"]

The score is pointless. You have to read the whole review to get an idea of the game, which even then is not enough to decide.

wigan_gamer

Did you not read what I said? I said reading the review is not matching up to the score given in some reviews I read...

I wasn't responding to you. I was giving my opinion on game reviews in general.

Yes, the reviews are inconsistent, but that's to be expected when multiple people are doing them.

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with "but its just not worth the effort" being the bottom line for the epic mickey review, it seems to me that mcshea wanted to rate it lower than the "fair" raiting of 6. i try not to put too much emphasis on the numerical scores though.
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with "but its just not worth the effort" being the bottom line for the epic mickey review, it seems to me that mcshea wanted to rate it lower than the "fair" raiting of 6. i try not to put too much emphasis on the numerical scores though.LoG-Sacrament
It just bugs me when I see a review that reads like an "X" and they rate it a "Y" and its like 2/3 points difference which is huge. I don't really listen to review scores though either, it just bugs me haha. I am used to reviews correlating to to the score given.
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They seem fine to me. I'm usually able to get the info I need from them to help me figure out if it's a game I'd like to get.
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Gamespot reviews are pretty critical...except when it comes to shooters. :|
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Most of the times I agree with the score.

The only time I disagreed was with the 8,5 given to ff13 (imo a bit high) and the 9.0 to Mass Effect 2 (which deservs a 9,5 minimum).

The reasons it may be inconsistent...multiple reviewers = multiple personalities. Also, no1 is perfect. As you review a game you'll focus on your own certain things. For example, if I find that a character in a game has a low development score, I'll point that out as a flaw, whereas other person couldn't care less about it.

I think they do have some "critical" points that need to be reviewed like graphics, gameplay and such, but there is a lot of freedom to a videogame journalist for reviewing and adding a score. The best thing you can do is to look it up in several websites and compare notes.

Or easier: use metacritic. 50 reviewers can't be wrong....or can they? :P

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They seem fine to me. I'm usually able to get the info I need from them to help me figure out if it's a game I'd like to get.Archangel3371
Sure they give information about the game well enough, and are generally well written. It is just the scores don't match up with the review sometimes.
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They seem fine to me. I'm usually able to get the info I need from them to help me figure out if it's a game I'd like to get.Archangel3371

As much as I enjoy reading the writing of the reviewers on GS, they aren't spot-on. They give too much praise to games that have a ****load of problems to begin with (Halo Reach, Call Of Duty: Black Ops, Grand Theft Auto IV). To them, if it doesn't have any of those names slapped on the box, it's not worth the time or the patience. And that angers me, because there are some decent, wonderful games that don't have those names on it, yet still get judged if they aren't coming from a company like Rockstar Games or Activision. They get unnoticed and unplayed in time, while the ones I mentioned stay played for a long time and you know what? That sickens me. Even Final Fantasy XIII got a high score when it is bugged with a myraid of problems that need to be solved. As least Kevin got it right with Final Fantasy XIV...

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[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]They seem fine to me. I'm usually able to get the info I need from them to help me figure out if it's a game I'd like to get.Metamania

As much as I enjoy reading the writing of the reviewers on GS, they aren't spot-on. They give too much praise to games that have a ****load of problems to begin with (Halo Reach, Call Of Duty: Black Ops, Grand Theft Auto IV). To them, if it doesn't have any of those names slapped on the box, it's not worth the time or the patience. And that angers me, because there are some decent, wonderful games that don't have those names on it, yet still get judged if they aren't coming from a company like Rockstar Games or Activision. They get unnoticed and unplayed in time, while the ones I mentioned stay played for a long time and you know what? That sickens me. Even Final Fantasy XIII got a high score when it is bugged with a myraid of problems that need to be solved. As least Kevin got it right with Final Fantasy XIV...

This too.... I feel CoD black ops should definately not be a 9 on PC, full of bugs, its a disaster. Plus its the recycled gameplay from the previous 2 games with little change... ratings should decrease if a game gets released time and time again. Not saying it should get slated but still it should be a big negative.
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[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]They seem fine to me. I'm usually able to get the info I need from them to help me figure out if it's a game I'd like to get.Metamania

As much as I enjoy reading the writing of the reviewers on GS, they aren't spot-on. They give too much praise to games that have a ****load of problems to begin with (Halo Reach, Call Of Duty: Black Ops, Grand Theft Auto IV). To them, if it doesn't have any of those names slapped on the box, it's not worth the time or the patience. And that angers me, because there are some decent, wonderful games that don't have those names on it, yet still get judged if they aren't coming from a company like Rockstar Games or Activision. They get unnoticed and unplayed in time, while the ones I mentioned stay played for a long time and you know what? That sickens me. Even Final Fantasy XIII got a high score when it is bugged with a myraid of problems that need to be solved. As least Kevin got it right with Final Fantasy XIV...

Well I've played all those games, except for FFXIV and found their reviews to be pretty much spot-on for me. Personally I'd give Halo Reach a 10 and Black Ops a 9.5 so for me their reviews work quite nicely.
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[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]They seem fine to me. I'm usually able to get the info I need from them to help me figure out if it's a game I'd like to get.Archangel3371

As much as I enjoy reading the writing of the reviewers on GS, they aren't spot-on. They give too much praise to games that have a ****load of problems to begin with (Halo Reach, Call Of Duty: Black Ops, Grand Theft Auto IV). To them, if it doesn't have any of those names slapped on the box, it's not worth the time or the patience. And that angers me, because there are some decent, wonderful games that don't have those names on it, yet still get judged if they aren't coming from a company like Rockstar Games or Activision. They get unnoticed and unplayed in time, while the ones I mentioned stay played for a long time and you know what? That sickens me. Even Final Fantasy XIII got a high score when it is bugged with a myraid of problems that need to be solved. As least Kevin got it right with Final Fantasy XIV...

Well I've played all those games, except for FFXIV and found their reviews to be pretty much spot-on for me. Personally I'd give Halo Reach a 10 and Black Ops a 9.5 so for me their reviews work quite nicely.

It's all a matter of taste, I suppose, but there's just so many problems for both games combined...

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[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]They seem fine to me. I'm usually able to get the info I need from them to help me figure out if it's a game I'd like to get.Metamania

As much as I enjoy reading the writing of the reviewers on GS, they aren't spot-on. They give too much praise to games that have a ****load of problems to begin with (Halo Reach, Call Of Duty: Black Ops, Grand Theft Auto IV). To them, if it doesn't have any of those names slapped on the box, it's not worth the time or the patience. And that angers me, because there are some decent, wonderful games that don't have those names on it, yet still get judged if they aren't coming from a company like Rockstar Games or Activision. They get unnoticed and unplayed in time, while the ones I mentioned stay played for a long time and you know what? That sickens me. Even Final Fantasy XIII got a high score when it is bugged with a myraid of problems that need to be solved. As least Kevin got it right with Final Fantasy XIV...

So you assume that that games that GS (and many other reviewers and gamers) liked that you didn't got unfairly positive reviews due to the company making them? Have you considered the possibility that their tastes simply differ from yours?

As for your complaint about good games going unnoticed and unplayed, I hate to break it to you, but reviewers have minimal impact on people's purchasing choices. Sticking to 2010, games like Vanquish, Enslaved, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Sin and Punishment, Resonance of Fate, and Bayonetta got extremely positive reviews, but few bought them.

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[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]They seem fine to me. I'm usually able to get the info I need from them to help me figure out if it's a game I'd like to get.CarnageHeart

As much as I enjoy reading the writing of the reviewers on GS, they aren't spot-on. They give too much praise to games that have a ****load of problems to begin with (Halo Reach, Call Of Duty: Black Ops, Grand Theft Auto IV). To them, if it doesn't have any of those names slapped on the box, it's not worth the time or the patience. And that angers me, because there are some decent, wonderful games that don't have those names on it, yet still get judged if they aren't coming from a company like Rockstar Games or Activision. They get unnoticed and unplayed in time, while the ones I mentioned stay played for a long time and you know what? That sickens me. Even Final Fantasy XIII got a high score when it is bugged with a myraid of problems that need to be solved. As least Kevin got it right with Final Fantasy XIV...

So you assume that that games that GS (and many other reviewers and gamers) liked that you didn't got unfairly positive reviews due to the company making them? Have you considered the possibility that their tastes simply differ from yours?

As for your complaint about good games going unnoticed and unplayed, I hate to break it to you, but reviewers have minimal impact on people's purchasing choices. Sticking to 2010, games like Vanquish, Enslaved, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Sin and Punishment, Resonance of Fate, and Bayonetta got extremely positive reviews, but few bought them.

I'm not assuming anything. With some series, like Call Of Duty, it's pretty much the same thing. They make improvements here and there, but leave it the same game that everyone remembers and plays. While keeping the gameplay basics that made it successful is a good thing, it has to be a step up from its previous incarnation. Call Of Duty, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't do anything new to the series and I don't think Halo did either. People thought that Halo was such a revolution to the first-person shooting genre. Why? Because there's dual-handed weapons for the first-time? Previous FPS games, such as Goldeneye, had that. Because it had a badass like Master Chief? That's been done to death in games before too! I have considered other people's tastes, yes, but I share their taste for shooters, but Call Of Duty and Halo, the ones that get overhyped and overrated anyway, don't do it for me. But other people won't give a damn how bad the game is and will just play it anyway, just because it's either cool or they need to be part of a trend.

As far as your latter comments go, few bought them because the media gave little attention to them. Vanquish, Enslaved, Kirby's Epic Yarn, etc - I'm sure all are good games and they should be highlighted more as standouts, because they are something different and a breath of fresh air. Problem goes back to what you said - it all has to do with sales. That's how sequels get made in the first place; as long as people buy it, developers will continue to make them. I've seen this happen for a lot of series, small or big, but I doubt those games will receive sequels, no matter how well-polished they turned out to be and that's a damn shame. So even if the reviews are glowing for those games, developers don't care about them - they only care about the money rolling in. If something is that successful, everyone will obviously copy it because it garners the money.

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[QUOTE="Archangel3371"]They seem fine to me. I'm usually able to get the info I need from them to help me figure out if it's a game I'd like to get.wigan_gamer
Sure they give information about the game well enough, and are generally well written. It is just the scores don't match up with the review sometimes.

thats the biggest thing for me. if a review gives me a good idea of the game, then its done its job. there are reviews i dont agree with in terms of evaluation that i still find to be good write ups. i dont think the CoD games are good and certainly not worthy of the 9+ reviews they get everywhere. still, i can read a positive review that spends the majority of the text talking about absurd gameplay situations and distant online deathmatches with little hint at the historical context or any sort of statement on war. i wouldnt agree with the evaluation, but id have a good idea of the game nonetheless.
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[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

As much as I enjoy reading the writing of the reviewers on GS, they aren't spot-on. They give too much praise to games that have a ****load of problems to begin with (Halo Reach, Call Of Duty: Black Ops, Grand Theft Auto IV). To them, if it doesn't have any of those names slapped on the box, it's not worth the time or the patience. And that angers me, because there are some decent, wonderful games that don't have those names on it, yet still get judged if they aren't coming from a company like Rockstar Games or Activision. They get unnoticed and unplayed in time, while the ones I mentioned stay played for a long time and you know what? That sickens me. Even Final Fantasy XIII got a high score when it is bugged with a myraid of problems that need to be solved. As least Kevin got it right with Final Fantasy XIV...

Metamania

So you assume that that games that GS (and many other reviewers and gamers) liked that you didn't got unfairly positive reviews due to the company making them? Have you considered the possibility that their tastes simply differ from yours?

As for your complaint about good games going unnoticed and unplayed, I hate to break it to you, but reviewers have minimal impact on people's purchasing choices. Sticking to 2010, games like Vanquish, Enslaved, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Sin and Punishment, Resonance of Fate, and Bayonetta got extremely positive reviews, but few bought them.

I'm not assuming anything. With some series, like Call Of Duty, it's pretty much the same thing. They make improvements here and there, but leave it the same game that everyone remembers and plays. While keeping the gameplay basics that made it successful is a good thing, it has to be a step up from its previous incarnation. Call Of Duty, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't do anything new to the series and I don't think Halo did either. People thought that Halo was such a revolution to the first-person shooting genre. Why? Because there's dual-handed weapons for the first-time? Previous FPS games, such as Goldeneye, had that. Because it had a badass like Master Chief? That's been done to death in games before too! I have considered other people's tastes, yes, but I share their taste for shooters, but Call Of Duty and Halo, the ones that get overhyped and overrated anyway, don't do it for me. But other people won't give a damn how bad the game is and will just play it anyway, just because it's either cool or they need to be part of a trend.

As far as your latter comments go, few bought them because the media gave little attention to them. Vanquish, Enslaved, Kirby's Epic Yarn, etc - I'm sure all are good games and they should be highlighted more as standouts, because they are something different and a breath of fresh air. Problem goes back to what you said - it all has to do with sales. That's how sequels get made in the first place; as long as people buy it, developers will continue to make them. I've seen this happen for a lot of series, small or big, but I doubt those games will receive sequels, no matter how well-polished they turned out to be and that's a damn shame. So even if the reviews are glowing for those games, developers don't care about them - they only care about the money rolling in. If something is that successful, everyone will obviously copy it because it garners the money.

See that's the thing though I don't play the games because I think they're cool or to be part of a trend nor do I simply not care if they're bad or not I play them because I find them to be great games.
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Even Final Fantasy XIII got a high score when it is bugged with a myraid of problems that need to be solved. As least Kevin got it right with Final Fantasy XIV...Metamania
All I can get out of this is that when GS gives a game a score higher than you would have given it, they have an alternative agenda, or are showing favoritism. But when they score a game in a range you agree with, they are "getting it right". They should give the games the scores they think they deserve based on their own hands on play time, and I think you should appreciate that even when you disagree with them. I sure don't want them pandering to my tastes exclusively, yet that seems to be exactly what you want, unless you're simply wording it wrong here.
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I don't see the point on relying on one review source anyways, think a responsible consumer should take the many reviews into account to know if a game is right for them. Plus, don't just look at scores without reading the substance of a review, read what the game does right, what it does wrong, you may like what it does right and not care about the things reviewers criticize it for.
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its all pretty subjective anyway.
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I have considered other people's tastes, yes, but I share their taste for shooters, but Call Of Duty and Halo, the ones that get overhyped and overrated anyway, don't do it for me. But other people won't give a damn how bad the game is and will just play it anyway, just because it's either cool or they need to be part of a trend.Metamania
This one grinds my grits too. So if people play games that are by your standards overhyped and overrated, they are only playing them to be cool or trendy? That's an amazingly close minded and dismissive thing to say. I know you're going to respond and say it's not what you meant, but well, there it is. That's the worst kind of internet elitism.

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its all pretty subjective anyway. Allicrombie
yeah I realise this is the case and the reason I find some scores baffling. However if a review doesn't read like the score given, that isn't really subjective its more of the fact that there is a fault either in the review or the score.
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[QUOTE="Metamania"]I have considered other people's tastes, yes, but I share their taste for shooters, but Call Of Duty and Halo, the ones that get overhyped and overrated anyway, don't do it for me. But other people won't give a damn how bad the game is and will just play it anyway, just because it's either cool or they need to be part of a trend.AndromedasWake

This one grinds my grits too. So if people play games that are by your standards overhyped and overrated, they are only playing them to be cool or trendy? That's an amazingly close minded and dismissive thing to say. I know you're going to respond and say it's not what you meant, but well, there it is. That's the worst kind of internet elitism.

Yeah I am used to this kind of thinking as I use sputnik (music website) a lot, and they are very pretentious. But how can any reviewer for the PC say that blops is a 9/10??? It is barely playable for thousands , including myself. I mean they penalise some games for bugs and such, but then in CoD blops they haven't and it is the most buggy and worst playing game I have bought.
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They're made by different people so I expect them to be inconsistent... And I agree on the CoD part. They gave 8.5 for the PC version of MW2 (which was PERFECT) and they gave 9.0 to the PC port of Black Ops which was STUTTERING. Couldn't figure it out myself, but who cares about GS' opinion anyway.
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Gamespot's reviews come close to what I would rate games I've played. More than one person is reviewing, so opinions will always differ. They still do better than other review websites IMHO.

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Or easier: use GameRankings. 50 reviewers can't be wrong....or can they? :P

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I'm sure there's guidelines in place for the reviewers, but I think a good solution may be to have one person write the review, but then have the whole staff put a number on said review, based on the information provided. Some reviewers, for instance, will dock a FPS 2 whole points for having a short campaign, while another will only dock a half a point for the same flaw. Of course, since not everyone on the staff will have played the game by review time, the reviewer's subjective opinion can sway people one way or another, but they can still do what us readers do: read the review and kind of picture what kind of score we'd give the game based on the information provided. Not perfect, but I still think the average scores will reflect more closely to where the game should be rated, especially since the staff should at least have an inkling of how their coworkers judge the games they're rating.

I know that's what the user score does, but at least you're getting an average of "professional" opinions and not just fanboys and haters.

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Can you give an example of this inconsistency? I find that Gamespot is pretty much in line with the rest of the gaming journalists in what works and what doesn't in games, and have the scores to match. If however you find that there is a problem with a certain review, I'm sure that the writer would be happy to answer any concerns you have with it.