Here is the biggest problem of western gamers

I bought the game named dragon ages origins. I bought it because it seems people like the game. And I'm very disappointed with this terrible combat. How I got damage when an enemy swings a sword at the air? How can I deal with mage enemies who use curse spell and ice spell to weaken my characters while I have zero healing thing that can cure those? Why my characters move so slow? Why there is no way to dodge? There must be a way to avoid a threat in the combat. But there is not.

Ok. so this is not having action game elements. but what else I got? A terrible strategy settings? Like my characters get damaging and losing its health but they stand still and do the same way that is not very effective. And I can't even make a command to avoid or run.

Sometimes a character dies immediately and I don't see what's going on. The game don't even have a clear explanation of happenings in the combat.

How could people love this terrible game? Combat is most important part of a game. because in the combat, I can fight, I can control things, I can sense a fear, get thrilled.

When I played Skyrim, I felt the same way. The character moves super slow, the combat is terribly boring, no way to dodge so face a huge threat to die, because no way to avoid the auto execution cut scene.

But people love these games. Because of THE STORIES. THE CHARACTERS. I searched google once about this, people saying the way of less gameplay more story is better. It seems many people love watching stories more than playing things.

I don't say Nintendo or other Asian games are better than everything. Especially these days. But at least they are trying to make the combat fun. More deep, like feeling weights of things in gravity, more speed, more thrilled way.

Thank you for reading this pointless topic. I just can't stand when I see a high score of something that I really hate.

there's your problem.

if you'd have used it a few more times to check out some gameplay videos and read some reviews before you bought dragon age you'd have found it's a real time / turn based rpg in that you can pause combat and give directions to your team mid combat. you don't control every swing and block. and that clearly isn't your cup of tea so you could've saved your money, found a game that did tickle your fancy and be sat enjoying that right now instead of making self confessed pointless topics on a gaming board. ah well, live and learn

It's a more strategic RPG, less action; you don't see it, but there are "dice rolls" occurring behind the scenes that are actually calculating how much damage your character takes, whether you dodge or not, whether you resist an elemental attack or not, and so forth.

It allows for more world development, character interaction, exploration, and other things. It puts less emphasis on learning the often incredibly-complex mechanics of some games and allows you to really immerse yourself into a game's world.

All games have advantages and disadvantages, positives and negatives. Nothing is perfect, and not everyone will be happy all the time. It is important to respect a developers choice and to ask yourself "Is this approach right for this game?" instead of simply saying "This could be better" like an ass.

And what games are great to you?

I bet TS is into Troll Games :D

I didn't like dragon age origins or skyrim either.

How are Japanese style of RPGs more engaging? That the characters scream the name of the attack each time you use it? Besides The Dark Souls series I have no clue what games you are even refering to that does this better from the Asian market.

The later Dragon Age games was made more action-oriented, they sucked.

I don't like rpg games either. I find them too slow, boring. But doing research and reading reviews helps a lot.

Dragon Age Origins and Skyrim *do* have mediocre combat. Try playing better RPGs.

Combat is awful at the start, though it gets marginally better later on. Still a random mess, but manageable.

they are better RPGs, what they are not is better is action-RPGs.

If you want "better" action-RPGs then yeah there are better options that might go light with the RPG aspect, but offer up more action.

There are also Japanese options which aren't my cup of tea, but they are very very heavy on "wow-factor" and have lots of pretty lights and lots and lots and lots of floating numbers which seems to give the impression they are exciting to some people.

I recommend:

Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
Divinity 2: The Dragon Knight Saga

Ummm I'm sure there are others but that's about it off the top of my head, especially Dragon's Dogma.

I agree that Skyrim has bad combat, it feels like the characters are too stiff. One thing I think Japanese RPGs do well is simulate a fluid body mechanic, Zelda often achieved this very well.

The ideal that action should be pushed into everything is just bad and have done a good deal of harm to RPG. Not just Western RPG but Japanese RPG like Dragon Dogma (one of the worse combat in a RPG).

@wiouds: to be fair, the market is over saturated with rpg games. I would argue that not everything needs to have strong rpg elements, like many games have today.

The problem is the ideal that power up system means a game is a RPG. It just allows a large range of games falling into it.

@wiouds: indeed.

DAO is one of the best games ever made, unfortunate to see you hate it. You are just not into this sort of game, maybe you enjoy fast paced action games like devil may cry genre or action rpgs like KH and tales of. I recommend you give DA2 a shot, that game is 'hated' by Dragon Age fans but it has the most fun battle system.

You should cite examples of games that does what you want.

I loved the combat but I enjoy the micro-managing. IMO it's at its best when on the highest difficulty and you just pause every half-a-second to issue orders and see what's going on.

I wish I hadn't played it 4 times so I could play it again.

I would not count on the thread starter to come back any time soon :D

But there are no problems with western games, the problem tho is the asian games is mostly made towards the asian population.