How can you rate a game 10/10?

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#1 madvicker
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I don't suppose I am the only one to go through player reviews of games and found a tenner in there somewhere. I don't know bout you but in my opinion no game should ever get a 10 as there is no game yet and maybe not ever that wil be "perfect" which is what GameSpot describes a ten as. Anyways, anyone else care to voice their opinion on this issue?
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#2 nopalversion
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Sometimes a game is so close to being perfect that it doesn't matter anymore. In those cases, you have to recognize it's near-perfection by giving it a 10. Once in a blue moon, a game might come along that is so cool-looking, so addictive, so rewarding to play and so long-lasting that it deserves a 10, just for showingpeople that it can be done. I wouldn't have any qualms awarding a 10 to games such as the first instalments of Soul Calibur, Civilization, Mario 64, Street Fighter II, Grim Fandango and possibly R-Type.

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#3 NaiKoN9293
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well, nothing is ever going to be perfect. If I were a reviewer I would probably never give a game a 10. But as a personal opinion I would gave my three favourite games 10s, but not as a reviewer
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#4 Dagamemonkey
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There are no perfect games out there. Though there are games that go above and beyond the standard of average or above average games and they just stand out from all the rest.

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#5 Koba123
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I rated a single game 10. just to show that i like that game the best from my rated games list. If i rate several BETTER games, then i will change the 10 i gave...
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#6 foxhound_fox
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It is all based on opinion. I think games can be perfect, so that is why I give them 10's. If I cannot see any way to improve them then they are perfect in my eyes. Gamespot has renamed its 10 from "perfect" to "prime" so if they do give a 10 out it won't mean "perfect" anymore, it will mean "the best possible game available at the moment."
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#7 P47Rotgut
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I would probably only give a 10 to games that are not only really good but ground breaking. I would give metroid prime a 10 because they did an excellent job of converting the series to 3D while maintaining the same feel and gameplay. Same for a game like Mario 64.

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#8 RK-Mara
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I used to never rate games 10/10, but then I just got loads of 9.5 games, but some of them were still better than others, so I changed some ratings to 10 to show, which are the best of the best for me. For me 10/10 doesn't mean perfect anymore. Just like if a movie gets five stars, it doesn't mean it's perfect.
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#9 P47Rotgut
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I do agree that some people give a 10 too easily.
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#10 -INKling-
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This may sound a bit obvious but every scale has to have a top and a bottom. I think that if it is the best game around then it's worthy of a 10. Saying, "I would never rate a game as 10/10" makes any scale you are trying to use pretty meaningless.

It might be more difficult to achieve a 10 when it is a 100 hundred point scale like the old Gamespot system but it shouldn't be unobtainable.
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#11 Anofalye
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What is the point of having a result no game achieve ever?

10 = best game on the market for that type/style of game; not perfect.

If you don't use it, might as well make a rating of /9.5, since anyway no game can score higher. 10 = best game on the market.

Anyone never using the best score is either shy or not considering the issue properly. There is no points in having no games at all get the highest score. 1 game at least deserve it. Now, if you grants it to another, maybe it is time to re-adapt your old score...as a new champion arrive in town.

I am far more afraid of peoples who can't give credits where it is due, then to peoples who give it too easily. Praises are just as important as rants; if not more.

EDIT: I have 1 game, and only 1, which got a score of 10...I wouldn be afraid to have more, but likely only 1 per category...now defining these categories would be personnal. :P

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#12 madvicker
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Thanks guys for the feedback. I think I would also have to agree with two of those comments, one that it is relatively ok if it is your personal opinion to give a game a ten although as a reviewer it should be regarded as unacceptable. And two that even people giving personal opinions give out tens far too easily sometimes.

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#13 foxhound_fox
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Thanks guys for the feedback. I think I would also have to agree with two of those comments, one that it is relatively ok if it is your personal opinion to give a game a ten although as a reviewer it should be regarded as unacceptable. And two that even people giving personal opinions give out tens far too easily sometimes.madvicker

The reviewer has the right to an opinion as well. If they feel they want to give the game a 10 they can, how is it "unacceptable?"

And what is wrong with giving out 10's? What if some games are better than 9.5?
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#14 OneWingedAngeI
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a 10 does not = perfect, if you look at the actual meaning, prime, it is just a superb game, not a perfect one. a game which has so many positives that the imperfections do not detract from it in a meaningful way.
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#15 gamingqueen
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if mgs1 on the ps1 had better graphics I'd definitlyhave given it a ten.
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#16 shinian
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I see a 10 out of 10 as a score for the definetly best game in particular genre. Now I'm playing Daxter for PSP and I would easly gave it a 10/10.
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#17 madvicker
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I admit I have not seen the change from "perfect" to "prime" but if you think about it GamSpot probably changed it for the exact same reasons that i brought up in this topic i.e. that no game can be realistically be regarded as perfect.
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#18 UpInFlames
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Reviewers should absolutely give out 10's. The scale ranges from 1-10, not 1-9.5. If a score is never used, it becomes arbitrary and useless. I think that gamers simply need to chill out regarding scores and even reviews in general.

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#19 King9999
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I think games should be able to get a 10 out of 10, but 10 should not imply that the game is "perfect." Maybe numerical scores should not be used...at least with letter grades, people understand that you can earn an A+, but it doesn't mean you scored 100%.
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#20 foxhound_fox
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I admit I have not seen the change from "perfect" to "prime" but if you think about it GamSpot probably changed it for the exact same reasons that i brought up in this topic i.e. that no game can be realistically be regarded as perfect.madvicker

But what is wrong with calling a game "perfect?" Especially in regards to "for it's time." So what if a game 10 years from now isn't as "perfect" as it was when it came out... that is the point, standards will always be changing and games will always be improving (hopefully).

Why exactly do you think calling a game "perfect" is an issue?
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#21 gamingqueen
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To me a perfect game is a game which you can't complain about and you can't imagine anything being added to it or taken from it.
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#22 madvicker
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[QUOTE="King9999"]I think games should be able to get a 10 out of 10, but 10 should not imply that the game is "perfect." Maybe numerical scores should not be used...at least with letter grades, people understand that you can earn an A+, but it doesn't mean you scored 100%.

Good point about the lettering. Although I still think that no game should get 10/10. Which implies 100%. Although with the new rating system going in 0.5 steps, it's a bit more difficult to be precise about a game. Especially good games.
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#23 ocdog45
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no game ca nbe a 10/10, thats why the old system was just better. a 9/10 is jsut, but not a 10/10
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#24 madvicker
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no game ca nbe a 10/10, thats why the old system was just better. a 9/10 is jsut, but not a 10/10ocdog45
I see you share the same idea that I have about no game being perfect and the old rating system being better. Thank you.

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#26 OneWingedAngeI
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[QUOTE="ocdog45"]no game ca nbe a 10/10, thats why the old system was just better. a 9/10 is jsut, but not a 10/10madvicker

I see you share the same idea that I have about no game being perfect and the old rating system being better. Thank you.

you aren't grasping the concept of a 10 when you keep using the term "perfect". that is not what the score implies. as i said before it implies that the game is of extremely high quality in almost all areas, and any negative aspects that do exist are not overwhelming enough to discredit the game in any way.

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#27 King9999
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[QUOTE="madvicker"]

[QUOTE="ocdog45"]no game ca nbe a 10/10, thats why the old system was just better. a 9/10 is jsut, but not a 10/10OneWingedAngeI

I see you share the same idea that I have about no game being perfect and the old rating system being better. Thank you.

you aren't grasping the concept of a 10 when you keep using the term "perfect". that is not what the score implies. as i said before it implies that the game is of extremely high quality in almost all areas, and any negative aspects that do exist are not overwhelming enough to discredit the game in any way.

You see, that's why I suggested that numerical scores should be replaced with letter grades.
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#28 foxhound_fox
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The TC still has not suggested to "why" he believes that a game shouldn't be rated "10/10" or "perfect."
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#29 kori911
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There can never be a "Perfect game", because everyone's definition of perfect is different. If I liked Big Rigs a lot, and really enjoyed all of the game-play aspects then I might give it a 10. But others will see the game differently and therefor make their on conclusion. Game scores are completely subjective, and are not set in stone as the end of all discussion.
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#30 LordAndrew
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Everyone will have different standards. While I don't feel a game can be "perfect" a 10.0 score is definitely attainable.

A 10.0 game may not be perfect, because every game will have some sort of flaw, but if a game's flaws are so minor that you can overlook them and recognize the game as being as good as a game could be, that's a 10.

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#31 madvicker
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A perfect can not be given simply because no game is perfect. A 10 may be given by a casual gamer but for a reviewer to give a 10 it is unacceptable as he/she has to be completely unbiased and look for every conceivable fault in a game. However even casual gamers sometimes give too many 10's. For instance I remember looking at someones profie page and seeing about 15 10 ratings on it out of about 30 or 40 odd games.
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#32 foxhound_fox
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A perfect can not be given simply because no game is perfect. A 10 may be given by a casual gamer but for a reviewer to give a 10 it is unacceptable as he/she has to be completely unbiased and look for every conceivable fault in a game. However even casual gamers sometimes give too many 10's. For instance I remember looking at someones profie page and seeing about 15 10 ratings on it out of about 30 or 40 odd games.madvicker

Then what is the point in having a 10 on the scale if no one can use it? Just like I and many have said, "perfect" doesn't imply the game is actually "perfect" but it is so good that no other game available at the time the game was released/reviewed is better than it. And the score is not the most important part of the review, it is the text, the reasons "why" the game got the score.

And what is the difference between a "casual gamer" and a "reviewer" giving a game a 10?
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#33 _Tobli_
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This is why they changed it from perfect to prime. There can't be a perfect, but it is a 10/10 scale. When a game is about as good as it's going to get (based on the standards of the time) it's a definite 10 in my book.

Regular users are a bit too easy on the 10's though

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#34 madvicker
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When I said casual gamer I meant someone just giving a game a rating on the fly. i.e. someone who does not want to or does not have the time to write why they gave the game a ten. Which brings me back to the point the the 0.5 difference is too vague.

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#35 OneWingedAngeI
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A perfect can not be given simply because no game is perfect. A 10 may be given by a casual gamer but for a reviewer to give a 10 it is unacceptable as he/she has to be completely unbiased and look for every conceivable fault in a game. However even casual gamers sometimes give too many 10's. For instance I remember looking at someones profie page and seeing about 15 10 ratings on it out of about 30 or 40 odd games.madvicker

ITS NOT PERFECT

ITS NOT PERFECT

ITS NOT PERFECT

ITS NOT PERFECT

ITS NOT PERFECT

ITS NOT PERFECT

ITS NOT PERFECT

say it with me.... P R I M E. PR-IME. PRIME!!! you did it!!!

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#36 madvicker
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@OneWingedAngel I can see you like to follow the thread closely. I was asked to explain why I would not give a perfect if you would care to read previous comments.
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#37 foxhound_fox
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@OneWingedAngel I can see you like to follow the thread closely. I was asked to explain why I would not give a perfect if you would care to read previous comments.madvicker

But you just said: "because no game is perfect." That is purely subjective. Like I already said, I see some games as perfect, as non-improvable. That is my opinion. You still haven't said why you think no game can be rated as "perfect."
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#38 madvicker
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Perfect fo me means that the game cannot be made better in anyway and is completely engaging in everyway and there are no flaws, bugs, etc whatsoever.
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#39 LordAndrew
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When I said casual gamer I meant someone just giving a game a rating on the fly. i.e. someone who does not want to or does not have the time to write why they gave the game a ten. Which brings me back to the point the the 0.5 difference is too vague.madvicker

There's no exact science to scoring games. Just give it whatever score you want.

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#40 LordAndrew
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Perfect fo me means that the game cannot be made better in anyway and is completely engaging in everyway and there are no flaws, bugs, etc whatsoever.madvicker

That's more or less what we've all been saying. Perhaps you just haven't found a game fits that descripiton.

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#41 madvicker
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Maybe but before there are any more questions about my opinions and before this turns into an argument. I shall not answer any more questions but merely comment on other peoples opinions which is what i asked for in the first place.
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#42 foxhound_fox
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Perfect fo me means that the game cannot be made better in anyway and is completely engaging in everyway and there are no flaws, bugs, etc whatsoever.madvicker

Alright, now apply the "standards for the time" factor into that and ask yourself again, can a game be perfect?

Just because a game has bugs doesn't mean they couldn't be overlooked when the game is heavily engaging and/or groundbreaking. All games have bugs and sometimes, games have so few bugs that they are either un-noticeable or so trivial that you tend to completely ignore them when you are having so much fun playing them.

What I seem to get from your argument is you are trying to draw a line connecting a subjective analysis with an objective analysis of a game. Because a game may have flaws, no matter how much you enjoy the game or how trivial they actually are, the game can never be "perfect."

I myself disagree. For certain games, released when they were, some flaws could easily be overlooked because gaming technology was just developing, especially in the case of the PS/N64 when developers were still experimenting with new things in 3D that they've never done before. A game being perfect is completely subjective, just like a review.

From what I understand based upon your argument, is you seem to play games objectively, looking for the flaws and attempting them to bring them out into the light even though you may still have an incredible amount of fun playing them.

I say, play games to enjoy them and stop caring about the scores they get. Perfect Dark and Goldeneye 007 were absolutely amazing and groundbreaking console FPS's back in the day and now when you play them, it is hard to understand why you liked them so much because they have aged heavily compared to the console shooters of today.

A review can never be completely objective... but if someone ever decides to make one, it wouldn't be able to be given a numerical score because that would be giving an opinion of what you think the game deserves. Unless of course a generally accepted grading scale is designed and agreed upon by everyone... but even then, with new ideas that come along, you would have to modify that scale to adapt those new ideas into the grading system. It would be overly time consuming and would be misrepresenting the community that is reviewing the game.

Opinions are important. Without them, we wouldn't know whether or not we will like a game. Professional reviewers are allowed to express their opinions in a review as are the general public. It helps us decide whose opinion we agree with the most when we play the game ourselves... because our taste in games is an opinion.
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#43 BobbyTurkalino
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a 10 does not = perfect, if you look at the actual meaning, prime, it is just a superb game, not a perfect one. a game which has so many positives that the imperfections do not detract from it in a meaningful way.OneWingedAngeI

That's a very good and reasonable answer. I agree with it completely.