I want to know more about the console Shin Megami Tensei series. Where to start?

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#1 eccentric_view
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The ones for PS2 I suppose. I've played Persona 3 and Persona 4 which have social sim-like aspects to them. I know the others don't have that. But what are the others? Turn-based RPGs, Strategy RPGs, or action rpgs? I've heard that one is like a, to quote, "mature Pokemon game" And which is the first game to start with? They all have different titles. Which is the main series? The Persona series is a spin-off right? What other game?
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#2 jasonharris48
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Lol at the mature Pokemon part (considering the MegaTen series was around years before Pokemon). I say give SMT3: Nocturne (part of the man series) a go as well as Digital Devil Saga 1,2. The ones I listed are turn based RPGs (SMT 3 if kind of heavy when it comes to dungeon crawling elemenst as well the Digital Devil Saga titles) You can find them at a reasonable price on amazon.

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Those are all turn-based? I saw some gameplay vids on youtube but I still can't get a good feel for it, since I didn't want any spoilers. In P3 and P4 you have Personas that battle for you, so it's the same here? Also is there a list for the series? So if Nocturne is number 3, what are digital devil saga? Devil Summoner?
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Those are all turn-based? I saw some gameplay vids on youtube but I still can't get a good feel for it, since I didn't want any spoilers. In P3 and P4 you have Personas that battle for you, so it's the same here? Also is there a list for the series? So if Nocturne is number 3, what are digital devil saga? Devil Summoner? eccentric_view
There are only 3 main titles so far. Part 1 is on the SNes as well as part 2. 3 is of course of the PS2. There isn't a part 4 at the moment but Strange Journey is treated as a main title by the devs. All of them are turned based RPGs that have heavy dungeon crawling elements. Also for the combat instead having persona's you recuit demons to fight along side you. As for the Digital Devil titles and etc they are spins offs (they're only title SMT titles because Atlus figured they pick up more sells in the west). In Japan the Digitaal saga titels are simply known as DDS not SMT:DDS. There is also a SRPG series known as the Majin Tense series (only out in Japan on the SNES) the spritail sucessor SMT: Devil Survivor is out on the DS in both the West and East. Here is a list of every Megaten titles that came out overseas:

  1. Shin Megami Tensei 3 Nocturne-PS2 (turn based RPG with heavy dungeon crawling elements
  2. Digital Devil Saga 1,2-PS2 (turn based
  3. Devil Summoner 1,2-PS2 (action RPGs)
  4. Persona 3 (Fes, portable)- PS2,PSP (turn based, features dating sim elements and also dungeon crawler elements)
  5. Persona 4 -PS2 (same description as Persona 3)
  6. Persona 1- PSX,PSP (played in first person perspective similar to first two MegaTen titles, turned based system summon persona some what similar t P3,P4 and heavy on the dungeon crawler elements)
  7. Demi Kids-GBA (never played it so I can't describe it)
  8. SMT: Devil Survivor-DS (SRPG

I think that's all of them and I will provide vids of gameplay.

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#5 jasonharris48
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These are MegaTen titles available on consoles (I won't list Persoan 3,4 since you've played them)

SMT Nocturne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QsWJkl12GM

Digital Devil Saga 1,2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHJbE_kfybs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynzL2TnEDec

Devil Summoner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWOt3Vmr8bM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3di0Qb-4jo

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Alright thanks! Lastly I was wondering, are there different difficulty settings like Easy and Normal in Atlus's other games, similar to P3 and P4? Or are they always difficult games?
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#7 DJChuy
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Nocturne only has normal and hard difficulty setting. I think it's the same for Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 (it's been a while since I played DDS).

They are difficult, especially if you're a newcomer, but since you've played Persona, it shouldn't be that difficult for you. A lot of the battle features you've seen in Persona like weakness, strengths, extra turn, etc are also implemented in Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga...just with slight modifications. Once you get a hang of the combat system, the game shouldn't give you that much of a problem.

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#8 Fredrick2003x
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Well it would be nice to start at the first one, which I think was Playstation 1 and later remade for the Playstation Portable.

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#9 LightTheWay
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The PS2 SMT games all are similar to P3/P4 with a few differences in the battle systems:

Nocturne: no social links. Instead of collecting/fusing then equipping personas on your main character like you do in P3/P4, you capture/fuse demons and they become your party members . Post apocalyptic/dark setting.

Digital Devil Saga: no persona collecting/fusing. Uses a party upgrade system similar to the FFX sphere system. Post apocalyptic/dark setting.

Devil Summoner: uses a real time battle system instead of a turn-based battle system. You capture/fuse demons who become party members. Historical (Early 1900s)/light hearted setting.


As for difficulty...since you already played thru P3/P4 the rest of the games will be easier for you. They all use the same spells/abilities. Demon handling in Nocturne and Devil Summoner is the same as persona handling in P3/P4.

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Don't start with SMT: Lucifer Call/Nocturne like me :lol:
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#11 xWoW_Rougex
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I've only played Persona 3 and Nocture and the difficulty between these two are day and night. Persona 3 have lots of save points but I remember that Nocture had way too few save points espcially considering it's random battle encounters filled with mamudo trigger happy demons.

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#12 ge0rgieboy
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devil survivor for DS (or emulator for PC) is one of my best experiences on portable consoles so far. biblical refferences, tension feeling, nice dialogues, addictive gameplay; it's just so cool :D
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#13 Temporius
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I've only played Persona 3 and Nocture and the difficulty between these two are day and night. Persona 3 have lots of save points but I remember that Nocture had way too few save points espcially considering it's random battle encounters filled with mamudo trigger happy demons.

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Agreed. Even worse if they get the first turn. This problem has not vanished in the easier Strange Journey either, where I can distinctly remember getting ambushed in sector A (starting area) and getting a game over from an unlucky hit from hama while at level 60. As for where to go, any of the other games would be fine.
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#14 Solori
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Ehhh…If you already played P3 and P4 there's no reason you couldn't play Nocturne. The only reason anyone would die easily and repeatedly in Nocturne during the regular random encounters is if they didn't know how to set up their party properly. People who played Nocturne as their first SMT game would have this problem. Since you played P3 and P4 you shouldn't have that problem. You should already have a really good understanding of which abilities are most useful in SMT games so you should be able to put together a proper party. I'm not saying you will never be killed in a random enemy encounter in Nocturne, afterall the enemies do get lucky every now and then, but if you set your party up correctly it should be a very rare occurrence.

If you are that concerned with difficulty level go with Devil Summoner. It's not the best SMT game out there, but it is the easiest.

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#15 eccentric_view
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Oh man so there's no option for "Easy" like with Persona 3 and 4? That sucks. I'll pass.

Then how about the first Persona game on PSP? I've heard nothing but bad things about it, but if at least they give the option for Easy then I wouldn't mind starting the series and seeing how much they've improved, even if story-wise they're not related.

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#16 QuistisTrepe_
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While I would easily call Nocturne the greatest console RPG ever made, I wouldn't recommend it for newbies. The amount of stuff to account for can be overwhelming. Digital Devil Saga is a bit more conventional, by SMT standards anyway. As for Persona, I'd recommend playing the first two before playing P3 and P4. People who play them in reverse tend to be underwhelmed by P1 and P2.