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Tales of Destiny 2
Star Ocean: second story
Saiyuki: Journey West
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Shadow Tower is pretty terrible. I'm a HUGE King's Field fan, probably like the biggest ever. Shadow Tower is often compared to King's Field, and I thought it was crap on a disc.
And someone said Shadow Tower is the successor to King's Field? Uhhh, wouldn't King's Field successor be King's Field II and King's Field: The Ancient City?
Shadow Tower is pretty terrible. I'm a HUGE King's Field fan, probably like the biggest ever. Shadow Tower is often compared to King's Field, and I thought it was crap on a disc.
And someone said Shadow Tower is the successor to King's Field? Uhhh, wouldn't King's Field successor be King's Field II and King's Field: The Ancient City?
Emerald_Warrior
Shadow Tower is pretty terrible. I'm a HUGE King's Field fan, probably like the biggest ever. Shadow Tower is often compared to King's Field, and I thought it was crap on a disc.
And someone said Shadow Tower is the successor to King's Field? Uhhh, wouldn't King's Field successor be King's Field II and King's Field: The Ancient City?
Emerald_Warrior
Shadow Tower is a great game, and its the bridge between the King's Field series and the Demon's Souls games.
It has a lot in common with the King's Field games as far as design goes, but at the same time there are a lot of new gameplay ideas thrown into the mix, and a lot of those gameplay ideas don't reappear in a From Software game untill the much later Demon's Souls, not King's Field : The Ancient City. The way you spend SP, the way you level up, your character stats, active blocking, to name a few that made the cut to Demon's Souls almost completely unchanged.
I'd also say that the general art design and atmosphere in Shadow Tower shows the direction From Software wanted to go. Shadow Tower is pretty grim and in some placed downright unsettling, while the later Kings Field: TAC goes back to a more traditional, albeit depressing, medieval setting.
So in my opinion, yes Shadow Tower is a successor to King's Field, and a forerunner to Demon's Souls. And its a good game in it's own right.
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Shadow Tower is pretty terrible. I'm a HUGE King's Field fan, probably like the biggest ever. Shadow Tower is often compared to King's Field, and I thought it was crap on a disc.
And someone said Shadow Tower is the successor to King's Field? Uhhh, wouldn't King's Field successor be King's Field II and King's Field: The Ancient City?
evilross
Shadow Tower is a great game, and its the bridge between the King's Field series and the Demon's Souls games.
It has a lot in common with the King's Field games as far as design goes, but at the same time there are a lot of new gameplay ideas thrown into the mix, and a lot of those gameplay ideas don't reappear in a From Software game untill the much later Demon's Souls, not King's Field : The Ancient City. The way you spend SP, the way you level up, your character stats, active blocking, to name a few made the cut to Demon's Souls almost completely unchanged.
I'd also say that the general art design and atmosphere in Shadow Tower shows the direction From Software wanted to go. Shadow Tower is pretty grim and in some placed downright unsettling, while the later Kings Field: TAC goes back to a more traditional, albeit depressing, medieval setting.
So in my opinion, yes Shadow Tower is a successor to King's Field, and a forerunner to Demon's Souls. And its a good game in it's own right.
I don't disagree with most of your points. But Shadow Tower, which isn't a direct-sequel to King's Field came out in 1999. King's Field: The Ancient City, which is a direct sequel, came out in 2002. So not only is it a direct-sequel, but it came out AFTER Shadow Tower. I think what you're trying to say is that Shadow Tower is the precursor to Demon's Soul, not that it's the successor to King's Field. Which I wouldn't disagree with. Shadow Tower is a lot different than King's Field, which is why I didn't like it.
id pick saga frontier anyday of the week. sigh... sometimes i feel im the only one that ever loved that game.frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]
Shadow Tower is pretty terrible. I'm a HUGE King's Field fan, probably like the biggest ever. Shadow Tower is often compared to King's Field, and I thought it was crap on a disc.
And someone said Shadow Tower is the successor to King's Field? Uhhh, wouldn't King's Field successor be King's Field II and King's Field: The Ancient City?
Emerald_Warrior
Shadow Tower is a great game, and its the bridge between the King's Field series and the Demon's Souls games.
It has a lot in common with the King's Field games as far as design goes, but at the same time there are a lot of new gameplay ideas thrown into the mix, and a lot of those gameplay ideas don't reappear in a From Software game untill the much later Demon's Souls, not King's Field : The Ancient City. The way you spend SP, the way you level up, your character stats, active blocking, to name a few made the cut to Demon's Souls almost completely unchanged.
I'd also say that the general art design and atmosphere in Shadow Tower shows the direction From Software wanted to go. Shadow Tower is pretty grim and in some placed downright unsettling, while the later Kings Field: TAC goes back to a more traditional, albeit depressing, medieval setting.
So in my opinion, yes Shadow Tower is a successor to King's Field, and a forerunner to Demon's Souls. And its a good game in it's own right.
I don't disagree with most of your points. But Shadow Tower, which isn't a direct-sequel to King's Field came out in 1999. King's Field: The Ancient City, which is a direct sequel, came out in 2002. So not only is it a direct-sequel, but it came out AFTER Shadow Tower. I think what you're trying to say is that Shadow Tower is the precursor to Demon's Soul, not that it's the successor to King's Field. Which I wouldn't disagree with. Shadow Tower is a lot different than King's Field, which is why I didn't like it.
Yea, thats what I was saying pretty much, I wasn't calling it a sequel, but a successor. Shadow Tower was made after King's Field II (US), but before Eternal Ring and King's Field : The Ancient City.
Eternal Ring kind of went no where. Not a bad game, in my opinion, but the gameplay direction that From Software used for that game was dropped completely. King's Field: The Ancient City played almost just like the other two US released KF games, with more in common with the first King's Field game... the tight, interconnected, passageways... not really much open areas or NPC interaction.
When Demon's Souls was released, it really harkened back to Shadow Tower, not the King's Field games. It's just do similar in character design, attributes, leveling, skills, art, and atmosphere it almost seems like a direct "next gen" reboot in some ways.
Dark Souls, however, in my opinion, makes a really interesting blend. It still uses the Shadow Tower basic gameplay that Demon's Souls built on, but the game world in Dark Souls feels much more like a King's Field game. Everything is interconnected, shortcuts open up to places far away... you know what I'm saying.
Its just realy cool to me to have been able to actually have been there to play all these really great games as they were released, and now, over 15 years later, sit around and look at how the RPG's that From Software have made evolved over time.
[QUOTE="evilross"]
[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]
Shadow Tower is pretty terrible. I'm a HUGE King's Field fan, probably like the biggest ever. Shadow Tower is often compared to King's Field, and I thought it was crap on a disc.
And someone said Shadow Tower is the successor to King's Field? Uhhh, wouldn't King's Field successor be King's Field II and King's Field: The Ancient City?
Emerald_Warrior
Shadow Tower is a great game, and its the bridge between the King's Field series and the Demon's Souls games.
It has a lot in common with the King's Field games as far as design goes, but at the same time there are a lot of new gameplay ideas thrown into the mix, and a lot of those gameplay ideas don't reappear in a From Software game untill the much later Demon's Souls, not King's Field : The Ancient City. The way you spend SP, the way you level up, your character stats, active blocking, to name a few made the cut to Demon's Souls almost completely unchanged.
I'd also say that the general art design and atmosphere in Shadow Tower shows the direction From Software wanted to go. Shadow Tower is pretty grim and in some placed downright unsettling, while the later Kings Field: TAC goes back to a more traditional, albeit depressing, medieval setting.
So in my opinion, yes Shadow Tower is a successor to King's Field, and a forerunner to Demon's Souls. And its a good game in it's own right.
I don't disagree with most of your points. But Shadow Tower, which isn't a direct-sequel to King's Field came out in 1999. King's Field: The Ancient City, which is a direct sequel, came out in 2002. So not only is it a direct-sequel, but it came out AFTER Shadow Tower. I think what you're trying to say is that Shadow Tower is the precursor to Demon's Soul, not that it's the successor to King's Field. Which I wouldn't disagree with. Shadow Tower is a lot different than King's Field, which is why I didn't like it.
I think we are pretty much on the same page. I'm not saying Shadow Tower is the sequel to King's Field, but the successor to the series, at least in part. Shadow Tower was released before both Eternal Ring and The Ancient City. Shodow Tower clearly has roots from King's Field, but is very different. Demon's Souls clearly has roots in Shadow Tower, but in turn it is different as well.
Shadow Tower was kind of like a bridge game... moving on from one idea to the next. It just seemed to take a very long time for the whole thing to come full circle.
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