Interesting Sega Genesis information

Did you know that the model 1 and model 2 were more different than just mere design? Well, to start off, the Model 1 looks more awesome, it claims to be high definition graphics, which in some ways its true. It has head-phone jack (woot stereo sound), and you can play it loud without anyone hearing, this can be used more than just hearing the music, think ripping. But, that is not my point exactly, the real point is the sound quality is better on the first model, WHOA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H7YjButgo8 Go to 7:00 and you will find out :). If you dont notice the difference, well I think your not really listening at all. I have tried this myself, I could tell just by the way it felt, that the model 1 was better.

They should of never went with the model 2, I bet the Sega Genesis would of done much better if they would of stayed with the original, its so much more appealing.

Now, should I get the av cables, I go them for my model 2, but it creates this vertical scanlines on the background, which is uglier than the fog, if that is the right word. I wish there was a comparison I could see.

Sorry, the Mega Drive 2 model is better. Only those who think the Model 1 is cooler still think it's better.

It doesn't matter what that video claims, the Model 2 has higher quality video output and A/V stereo sound, whereas Model 1 could only give stereo sound through the earphones jack.

(All) Sega Mega Drive 1/Genesis models suffered from faulty RF Out ports and RF switches. Old Mega Drive 1 RF switches would have to be wriggled in the RF Out port to obtain a clear enough signal. The picture often had scanlines, ghosts and static onscreen.

Unlike the Mega Drive 1/Genesis, the Mega Drive 2 had a much better RF system that displayed a stronger and clearer signal.

The A/V in the model 2 port is now one custom multi-out port for picture and sound. This port had stereo sound capability built-in, unlike the model 1 digital port's support for mono sound only - stereo sound coming from the headphone jack.

Contrary to popular belief, the model 2 console is not missing the Z80 chip.

The model 2 is in fact the better-built, most durable model.

yeah but if you have any sega compilation disc for modern consoles the audio/stereo quality is better but it doesnt feel nostalgic though

Interesting this is.

(All) Sega Mega Drive 1/Genesis models suffered from faulty RF Out ports and RF switches. Old Mega Drive 1 RF switches would have to be wriggled in the RF Out port to obtain a clear enough signal. The picture often had scanlines, ghosts and static onscreen.

Unlike the Mega Drive 1/Genesis, the Mega Drive 2 had a much better RF system that displayed a stronger and clearer signal.

The A/V in the model 2 port is now one custom multi-out port for picture and sound. This port had stereo sound capability built-in, unlike the model 1 digital port's support for mono sound only - stereo sound coming from the headphone jack.

Contrary to popular belief, the model 2 console is not missing the Z80 chip.

The model 2 is in fact the better-built, most durable model.

Panzer_Zwei

Did you even watch the video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFXCnEEAppo&feature=related More proof

And come on, there is no way that the model 1 was less durable, it has not moving parts, its basically just as durable.... I heard the whole I dropped my psp, it broke so easily, and guess what. I am pretty sure they made those stories up, because I did it, nothing happened. And I was on a bike >_>, kids can break anything

(All) Sega Mega Drive 1/Genesis models suffered from faulty RF Out ports and RF switches. Old Mega Drive 1 RF switches would have to be wriggled in the RF Out port to obtain a clear enough signal. The picture often had scanlines, ghosts and static onscreen.

Unlike the Mega Drive 1/Genesis, the Mega Drive 2 had a much better RF system that displayed a stronger and clearer signal.

The A/V in the model 2 port is now one custom multi-out port for picture and sound. This port had stereo sound capability built-in, unlike the model 1 digital port's support for mono sound only - stereo sound coming from the headphone jack.

Contrary to popular belief, the model 2 console is not missing the Z80 chip.

The model 2 is in fact the better-built, most durable model.

Ok, first of all, you didnt list a source, so that is a claim that needs support, and since I have a model 1, that works just fine. I think you are wrong, either you ignorant, your lying, or I am that cool8). I never even said anything about the z80 chip.

Did you even read the specs? Those don't lie and can't be altered.

You claimed the z80 is missing the model 2, well if you turn off the z80 chip in an emulator, you get no sound.... and did you watch the unbias video? What it is, is the model 1 has better bass. If you use av, your whole arguement goes out of the window.

yeah but if you have any sega compilation disc for modern consoles the audio/stereo quality is better but it doesnt feel nostalgic though

bigM10231

Yeah, but this is between the two consoles, oh man non-sequitor, and HOLY CRAP there is supposed to be a comma before but, grammer nazi ftw!

Ok, seriously, thats true that if you own it on other consoles, its just not the same, even though the video is better, which is why I want to stay with rf on my model 1.

You claimed the z80 is missing the model 2, well if you turn off the z80 chip in an emulator, you get no sound.... and did you watch the unbias video? What it is, is the model 1 has better bass.

SegaGenesisfan

The Model 2 was higher quality and also cost less to manufacture. The thought that SEGA would've done better sticking with Model 1 is just another fan-based fantasy.

People had to open the Model 1 do some soldering and mod the system to get less static video. Is that your idea of a better built system?

So your whole arguement is based off of specs that mean nothing? Amazing, guess what, without the z80, you get no sound. If you watch the video comparisons, notice the sound is better on one, they are not the same. One is basically better (model 1). I can not believe that someone is argueing with their only piece of evidence is the specs, which means nothing.

So your whole arguement is based off of specs that mean nothing? Amazing, guess what, without the z80, you get no sound. If you watch the video comparisons, notice the sound is better on one, they are not the same. One is basically better (model 1). I can not believe that someone is argueing with their only piece of evidence is the specs, which means nothing.

SegaGenesisfan

But let me undertsand myself. You come up with a video about guys arguing about something that was already debated to death and done for years ago. and you think you made some antonishing discorevy. Genius!

And the Z80 could've been replaced, but it is necessary to boot Master System games, that's why the statement that the Model 2 does has it, unlike Model 3. This rumous spread originally from the fact that the Mega Adapter

And BTW I don't need to watch videos to see how those system perform. I have Mega Drive 1 and 2 models from all three regions and a Nomad. I've already tested their graphical and sound capabilities.

He did not watch the videos

Dude, I never even mentioned the z80, or the specs, they have the same hardware. Just one is different for some reason. Headphone jacks were an awesome idea, first of all, I have an mono tv, so its awesome. Second of all, I can play games without hearing anyone, or anyone hearing what I hear. Third of all, playing music with headphones is always going to sound better. Fourth, listen to the video, its very obvious, specs dont matter.

Also, I obviously did not discover this, I can tell you just wanted to argue, so I am going to stop, because I am pretty sure you were just trying to troll.

THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MODEL 3! The specs are virtually the same, thats why I am sayying they do not matter.

Model 1 doesn't have a custom multi-out port for picture and sound, but whatever, lets say that specs don't matter. Then let me ask you something without bashing. Do you actually own a Mega Drive system or do you just play games on emulators?

I'm asking this because if I go and plug a Mega Drive model 1 as and then a Mega Drive model 2 all of what I've stated becomes clear. That's the realty, but you're basically telling me that this is not. So tell me can you confirm this youself? Have you actually tested both models systems side-side yourself and not in youtube videos? Cause you're basically telling me my senses are failing me.

And trust me I've already heard all of the geek arguments in the world about this:

Bu, bu, but it you do the S-Video mod for the Model 1 it destroys Model 2 picture quality!!1 But listen! the zig zag on X and Y games sounds clearer, just listen to the bass!

I've always just rolled my eyes at such statements.

From what you're saying it seems the Model 1 is better fit for you for your own personal reasons. However that doesn't change the quality of the Model 2.

And for what is worth, I also like the Model 1 better and it obviously has more collectible value. But it's not better to Model 2 mate.

Yeah, I got to admit, I am being a bit of a "fanboy" person:P, but I still need to do this . i own both, I bought one after seeing the video to confirm it. And I did it again before this, this time I noticed the graphics are better too, no way can I mistake that, the sounds are also better. I am using rf on both, but the rf on the model 1 looks about as good as the av cables on the model 2 in some cases, because for some reason I get these vertical lines. Now, by any chance are you using pal? I bought the model 2 first, because I thought it was the better one, but now I just bought a model 1, and man did I miss out ;(. There is no way I can mistake it, I did it over and over, and there is no way my eyes can be deceiving me. Plus, you are sayying megadrive, so something tells me they might be different over there. So, we have been argueing about nothing. As far as I know, pal uses 50 htz, while ntsc uses 60 htz?

Now, I am thinking of getting av cables, but to be honest, the model 1 looks pretty good, there is that foggy stuff, but its only in the background, so how big of a difference would av give me anyways (then again it does improve sound too). I wish you would of gave me input on this one.

I have a lot of Mega Drive systems because I just used to buy them whenever I saw one in good condition. I used to have more but here is what I have now:

For model 1 I have:

2 NTSC-J systems

3 PAL systems

1 "Genesis" system

For Model 2:

2 NTSC-J systems

2 PAL systems

1 "Genesis" system

And I also have a NOMAD.

For my experiece the difference in quality between the RF and AV signal between models is highly noticeable in all regional models. However I haven't seen a system where this is not the case. If you compare the SFC picture quality with RF and AV cables, it clearly looks better with AV cables.

So the real compiron is between both models in AV cables, and from my part I can tell you that the signal is noticeable sharper on model 2. There's no mistake in it. I personally cannot believe that an RF output can offer the same sharper image than AV cables.

Oh, and I also don't get any vertical lines whatsoever. I do have another totally different problem with my 34" Sony Wega TV. It doesn't matter what region system or cables I use on that TV. It just won't show colour picture. Not even for the Nomad. Every single other game system I've tried on it looks perfect, except the MD series.

All I can guess is that It could also be your TV tha could play a big significance in this. If your TV is older and smaller, for some reason older games would look better on it. I remember one of my friends had this small yellow TV, and all games always looked better and more colourful than in my better TV set.

Yeah, it might be all in the tv, I do know if I play a sega genesis on a hd telivision, its gonna look like crap. I am using a small mono tv, old style stuff. So maybe its because model 1 is more compatilbe with older tv's. Just like how my xbox360 sucks on my SD tv. So maybe the model 2 works better on stereo tvs, which makes since, since at that point enough people had stereo. Thats why the SNES came out working in stereo right from the start.

Model 2 sucks on sd, which means, I wasted so much money ;(, why did I think the model 2 looked better in the first place, I mean the model 1 says High Definition graphics right on it. I am going to get av cables, that way I wont have to switch inputs to play SNES, just turn on the snes, and it goes straight to it.

Your using a more up to date telivision.

Yeah, some people also say that games look better on emulators on PC monitor but I disagree.

They do look more colourful, but the graphics look kind of "square" That's the best term I came come up with.

Like you can notice every pixel and it stops looking natural. I just don't like that look.

Yup, so true, I think that is why when I first downloaded games (funny how it just led me to be a legitimate retro-gamer), I played Donkey Kong Country on the Wii (when my bro still had it), beat it, but I did not feel like I actually beat it. I think you got it right on the dot, it feels too square. I mean I can play terminator 2 arcade on mame, but it does not feel natural, almost too sharp. Plus the controllers also make the system, try playing Half life on the ps2... It just does not feel right. And, I like having the cartridge, you can show it off easier (though I have no one to show off to).

Plus the joy of fixing SNES batteries :), I just fixed Super Mario World 2 days ago, which is awesome, because when I originally tried to fix it, I broke the metal thing that connected the save battery :(, and that was like the beginning of summer. But, I just retried, I put the little metal thing in a way that it connected the save battery to the board. WOOT, it works 100%,

and I think to myself...

Yeah, some people also say that games look better on emulators on PC monitor but I disagree.

They do look more colourful, but the graphics look kind of "square" That's the best term I came come up with.

Like you can notice every pixel and it stops looking natural. I just don't like that look.

Panzer_Zwei

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Yeah, some people also say that games look better on emulators on PC monitor but I disagree.

They do look more colourful, but the graphics look kind of "square" That's the best term I came come up with.

Like you can notice every pixel and it stops looking natural. I just don't like that look.

GulliversTravel

At the beginning because I had to, in order to play different region games, but then I liked to collect them. While at first the cartridges were different only in shape, eventually they became region locked on the inside, and you either needed an US Game Genie and hence a US system to play Japanese games, so I just bought both systems and was done with it.

The Japanese Model 1 for example is the most beutiful of all Mega Drive systems with it's big awesome "16-BIT" golden logo on the front. It's video output is actually looser and it's a bit inferior to the US one, but that one ruined it by having the "GENESIS" logo on the front and hence a smaller less-imponent 16-bit logo.

[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Yeah, some people also say that games look better on emulators on PC monitor but I disagree.

They do look more colourful, but the graphics look kind of "square" That's the best term I came come up with.

Like you can notice every pixel and it stops looking natural. I just don't like that look.

Panzer_Zwei

At the beginning because I had to, in order to play different region games, but then I liked to collect them. While at first the cartridges were different only in shape, eventually they became region locked on the inside, and you either needed an US Game Genie and hence a US system to play Japanese games, so I just bought both systems and was done with it.

The Japanese Model 1 for example is the most beutiful of all Mega Drive systems with it's big awesome "16-BIT" golden logo on the front. It's video output is actually looser and it's a bit inferior to the US one, but that one ruined it by having the "GENESIS" logo on the front and hence a smaller less-imponent 16-bit logo.

Naaa, Sega Genesis is High Defintion, Megadrie is not... But, hold on they are the same design, just different colors for the buttons. I think the red and blue colors on the megadrive make it look too much like a toy. Besides the Sega Genesis is biblical, why do you think it sold better in the States? And the Sega Genesis has the Sega Genesis logo, plus 16 bit, I do not care about the gold, but I guess the 16 bit is bigger, so its more in y face! It is preference, I personally think the American one looks more like serious business than the megadrive does, and I think thats pretty much why it sold better in the US.

Oh, I think today is the day I get the original Toejam and Earl in the case, with manuel, and of course the cartridge . What makes it even better, is using the headphone jack so I can listen to it as loud as I want, IN STEREO! Keep in mind I have a mono tv, so this is so cool. Then to make it better, I found out it has a random level generator, man this is going to be so awesome.

(All) Sega Mega Drive 1/Genesis models suffered from faulty RF Out ports and RF switches. Old Mega Drive 1 RF switches would have to be wriggled in the RF Out port to obtain a clear enough signal. The picture often had scanlines, ghosts and static onscreen.

Unlike the Mega Drive 1/Genesis, the Mega Drive 2 had a much better RF system that displayed a stronger and clearer signal.

The A/V in the model 2 port is now one custom multi-out port for picture and sound. This port had stereo sound capability built-in, unlike the model 1 digital port's support for mono sound only - stereo sound coming from the headphone jack.

Contrary to popular belief, the model 2 console is not missing the Z80 chip.

The model 2 is in fact the better-built, most durable model.

Panzer_Zwei

"RF Out"? The Mega Drive 1 supported both composite video and RGB and had a DIN-connector. Whoever would want to use the RF adapter? RF is crap.

The Mega Drive 2 feels and looks cheaper/uglier, lacks the headphone jack and has worse sound - after some more browsing I found this too. Of course the first model is cooler!

The system performed better in Europe actually. Here it was the most popular system, above the Super Famicom.

Many of its late games like Alien Soldier and Rockman Mega World were only released in Europe because the system was still popular.

But come on, "GENESIS" was a terrible name, and it forced SEGA to change the name of many of it's peripherals:

Mega-CD = SEGA CD Mega Adapter = SEGA Power Base Adapter Multi-Mega = SEGA CDX etc.

Mega Drive is the official name of the system worldwide except in North America (USA/Mexico/Canada), and it would have been there too if it wasn't for some name copyright issues. Even in South America the system is called Mega Drive.

The system was intimately associated with the "Mega" term. I still find the "GENESIS" name weird and ufitting. I mean, even the system fans were called MegaDrivers. While in North America they didn't even had a official term.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

(All) Sega Mega Drive 1/Genesis models suffered from faulty RF Out ports and RF switches. Old Mega Drive 1 RF switches would have to be wriggled in the RF Out port to obtain a clear enough signal. The picture often had scanlines, ghosts and static onscreen.

Unlike the Mega Drive 1/Genesis, the Mega Drive 2 had a much better RF system that displayed a stronger and clearer signal.

The A/V in the model 2 port is now one custom multi-out port for picture and sound. This port had stereo sound capability built-in, unlike the model 1 digital port's support for mono sound only - stereo sound coming from the headphone jack.

Contrary to popular belief, the model 2 console is not missing the Z80 chip.

The model 2 is in fact the better-built, most durable model.

doubutsuteki

"RF Out"? The Mega Drive 1 supported both composite video and RGB and had a DIN-connector. Whoever would want to use the RF adapter? RF is crap.

The Mega Drive 2 feels and looks cheaper/uglier, lacks the headphone jack and has worse sound - after some more browsing I found this too. Of course the first model is cooler!

However still with the AV cables the MD model 2 as a stronger video signal. And you still won't be able to get stereo sound from there, whatever you do. You can only get stereo sound from the hearphone jacket.

Also from what I understand many of the late Model 2 PCBs (don't know what revision) changed the Zilog Z84C00 with a compatible custom SEGA 315-5676 chip.

So your whole arguement is based off of specs that mean nothing? Amazing, guess what, without the z80, you get no sound. If you watch the video comparisons, notice the sound is better on one, they are not the same. One is basically better (model 1). I can not believe that someone is argueing with their only piece of evidence is the specs, which means nothing.

SegaGenesisfan

Thanks for the information, like knowing it was not just all American, I don't get whats wrong with Genesis, I mean megadrive just sounds like a computer, and the name definately looses its meaning in time. However, Genesis will never loose its meaning, in fact the longer time goes by, it becomes increasingly more relevent. It was the beginning of true sixteen bit awesomeness. Its mostly preference, but are you challenging my god given right to call the amazing sixten bit hardware , the Genesis?

and to the guy above, dude, you missed the debate, its too late for you dude, we already resolved it, so read our post. We have moved on

JUST BEAT, na Just beat it, drr dr dr dr DRRR, DR dr DR DR. Showin them out funky, who is wrong, or right. It does not matter who is wrong, or right. So BEAT IT, just BEAT IT.:P

i always preferred model 2. It has a sleeker design imo and sounds better to me. It also lookers better to me with add ons. The only thing I like about model 1 over 2 is the fact that I think it sounds like it has a little more bass to it. Of course I can always adjust the base from my sound system so that doesn't bother me. I don't need the headphone jack because I have a converter I can plug the audio cables into that allows me to use it on things with headphone jacks.

However still with the AV cables the MD model 2 as a stronger video signal. And you still won't be able to get stereo sound from there, whatever you do. You can only get stereo sound from the hearphone jacket.

Also from what I understand many of the late Model 2 PCBs (don't know what revision) changed the Zilog Z84C00 with a compatible custom SEGA 315-5676 chip.

I dont know dude, his evidence is even stronger than mine, I mean you listened to the sound samples right? Which one do you think sounded better?

Have you ever thought about just simply hooking the speakers up to the jack?

i always preferred model 2. It has a sleeker design imo and sounds better to me. It also lookers better to me with add ons. The only thing I like about model 1 over 2 is the fact that I think it sounds like it has a little more bass to it. Of course I can always adjust the base from my sound system so that doesn't bother me. I don't need the headphone jack because I have a converter I can plug the audio cables into that allows me to use it on things with headphone jacks.

unknown37

Nothing you can do about the picture being better on the model 1, keep in mind it depends on the tv I think. I think model 1 has a way more sleek design, there is no contest, it says 16 bits like in your face, and it claims to be high definition. which I consider it because I think games back then were far better than a lot of games now.

Now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeHUQAnzpF0 :P

[QUOTE="unknown37"]

i always preferred model 2. It has a sleeker design imo and sounds better to me. It also lookers better to me with add ons. The only thing I like about model 1 over 2 is the fact that I think it sounds like it has a little more bass to it. Of course I can always adjust the base from my sound system so that doesn't bother me. I don't need the headphone jack because I have a converter I can plug the audio cables into that allows me to use it on things with headphone jacks.

SegaGenesisfan

Nothing you can do about the picture being better on the model 1, keep in mind it depends on the tv I think. I think model 1 has a way more sleek design, there is no contest, it says 16 bits like in your face, and it claims to be high definition. which I consider it because I think games back then were far better than a lot of games now.

Now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeHUQAnzpF0 :P

Yes:D, yeah shortly afterwards I found out your just the person asking about sega genesis games, but it still is funny.