Is anyone here actually a fan of Tomb Raider?

The older games were hardcore.. Crystal Dynamics Tom Raiders are generic crap wrapped in nice graphics and that's it!

This is one series whos popularity I could never fully understand. I mean, I understand the appeal of Lara Croft's appearance, but the actual games themselves, why would someone want to play them? The PSX games were clunky, buggy, drab, and just plain boring. And anything that came out after that is mediocre at best. Someone please explain why a person would ever be willing to consistantly drop $50 on this low-end franchise everytime a new game comes out? Who are these people? I want to see if they actually exist.Conjuration

Im the same I don't get it, its to boring uninspired and drab, I think the only reason people like is coz of her/it's body. I remember when a sequel was released and fans were complaining about not being able to look down her cleavage to well.

[QUOTE="Conjuration"]This is one series whos popularity I could never fully understand. I mean, I understand the appeal of Lara Croft's appearance, but the actual games themselves, why would someone want to play them? The PSX games were clunky, buggy, drab, and just plain boring. And anything that came out after that is mediocre at best. Someone please explain why a person would ever be willing to consistantly drop $50 on this low-end franchise everytime a new game comes out? Who are these people? I want to see if they actually exist.vongroove

Im the same I don't get it, its to boring uninspired and drab, I think the only reason people like is coz ofher/it's body. I remember when a sequel was released and fans were complaining about not being able tolook down her cleavage to well.

BTW if you happend to have played the older games you'd know that Lara looked almost like a guy. There was plenty of things to do and the game was thousand times more challenging than it is now.

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[QUOTE="Conjuration"]This is one series whos popularity I could never fully understand. I mean, I understand the appeal of Lara Croft's appearance, but the actual games themselves, why would someone want to play them? The PSX games were clunky, buggy, drab, and just plain boring. And anything that came out after that is mediocre at best. Someone please explain why a person would ever be willing to consistantly drop $50 on this low-end franchise everytime a new game comes out? Who are these people? I want to see if they actually exist.gamingqueen

Im the same I don't get it, its to boring uninspired and drab, I think the only reason people like is coz ofher/it's body. I remember when a sequel was released and fans were complaining about not being able tolook down her cleavage to well.

BTW if you happend to have played the older games you'd know that Lara looked almost like a guy. There was plenty of things to do and the game was thousand times more challenging than it is now.

Indeed the older games were much more challenging than they are now. Lara's boobs have little to no appeal to many of those who play and like the game unless they are a horny teenage boy. The game made one use their brain a thing it would seem some have no wish to do. Those who find it drab and boring most likely couldn't play the game.

You are wrong, the games were awesome until Angel of Darkness. Legend sucks I'll give that to you but I really can't understand how you wouldn't appreciate Tomb Raider Anniversary.magic_dragon

Legends not bad, but it was good because it paved the way for Anniversary, which revitalized the franchise.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"][QUOTE="vongroove"]

[QUOTE="Conjuration"]This is one series whos popularity I could never fully understand. I mean, I understand the appeal of Lara Croft's appearance, but the actual games themselves, why would someone want to play them? The PSX games were clunky, buggy, drab, and just plain boring. And anything that came out after that is mediocre at best. Someone please explain why a person would ever be willing to consistantly drop $50 on this low-end franchise everytime a new game comes out? Who are these people? I want to see if they actually exist.joemancoe

Im the same I don't get it, its to boring uninspired and drab, I think the only reason people like is coz ofher/it's body. I remember when a sequel was released and fans were complaining about not being able tolook down her cleavage to well.

BTW if you happend to have played the older games you'd know that Lara looked almost like a guy. There was plenty of things to do and the game was thousand times more challenging than it is now.

Indeed the older games were much more challenging than they are now. Lara's boobs have little to no appeal to many of those who play and like the game unless they are a horny teenage boy. The game made one use their brain a thing it would seem some have no wish to do. Those who find it drab and boring most likely couldn't play the game.

LOL You make pulling levers and inserting "Stone X" into "Slot X" sound like such a stimulating brain activity. The only thing that made this game any sort of challenge at all was the terrible controls.

Nope, never was a fan of the Tomb Raider series..WSGRandomPerson

In my opinion, the first 4 games were fantastic. The games took an age to complete, had tons of brilliant secrets, and really clever puzzles. For those of us who had the patience to play the game, the exploration aspect was one of the series' strengths.

TR4 was probably my favourite as the setting was what I believe to be the essence of TR, with the pyramids etc. I prefered the levels which were deep underground in boobie-trapped tombs (as opposed to the City levels in TR3). At the time, they were also pretty scary too. Settings like the sunken ship and tombs with mummies chasing you from their sarcophagi, twinned with the spooky understated music made them all the more great.

The newer games (Legend, Anniversary) are great fun to play, but a hell of a lot shorter. This is mostly due to the fact most players need to have a hand pop up on the screen to let them know they are next to a secret door, for example. Much of the older games had me stuck for ages, with no clues, until I discovered a missed block or key somewhere. So the exploration has gone, and they just don't feel the same.

It's understandable, I guess.

So to answer your question, yes, but more of an old school TR fan!

In my opinion, the first 4 games were fantastic. The games took an age to complete, had tons of brilliant secrets, and really clever puzzles. For those of us who had the patience to play the game, the exploration aspect was one of the series' strengths.

TR4 was probably my favourite as the setting was what I believe to be the essence of TR, with the pyramids etc. I prefered the levels which were deep underground in boobie-trapped tombs (as opposed to the City levels in TR3). At the time, they were also pretty scary too. Settings like the sunken ship and tombs with mummies chasing you from their sarcophagi, twinned with the spooky understated music made them all the more great.

The newer games (Legend, Anniversary) are great fun to play, but a hell of a lot shorter. This is mostly due to the fact most players need to have a hand pop up on the screen to let them know they are next to a secret door, for example. Much of the older games had me stuck for ages, with no clues, until I discovered a missed block or key somewhere. So the exploration has gone, and they just don't feel the same.

It's understandable, I guess.

So to answer your question, yes, but more of an old school TR fan!

ukguvnor

TR1 was really amazing despite its admittedly clunky controls (it wasn't the first 3D platformer, but it was a really early one), but the sequels were bad. TR1 left a lot of room for improvement but the only improvement the series saw on the PS1 was the rounding of Lara's breasts.

The Crystal Dynamics games remind me of the pre-RE4 RE games. Shinier textures but they haven't really done much to improve the historical weaknesses of the series (the combat system springs to mind).

TR1 was really amazing despite its admittedly clunky controls (it wasn't the first 3D platformer, but it was a really early one), but the sequels were bad. TR1 left a lot of room for improvement but the only improvement the series saw on the PS1 was the rounding of Lara's breasts.

The Crystal Dynamics games remind me of the pre-RE4 RE games. Shinier textures but they haven't really done much to improve the historical weaknesses of the series (the combat system springs to mind).

CarnageHeart

Tomb Raider still remains one of the only games to actually make me jump.
(The parts where the bear suddenly pounces at you and the bit were I realised I was swimming with a crocodile!)

Not a big fan though.

My thoughts, someone elses words: Zero Punctuation Tomb Raider review

"Like a cow in a shopping trolley."

[QUOTE="Conjuration"]This is one series whos popularity I could never fully understand. I mean, I understand the appeal of Lara Croft's appearance, but the actual games themselves, why would someone want to play them? The PSX games were clunky, buggy, drab, and just plain boring. And anything that came out after that is mediocre at best. Someone please explain why a person would ever be willing to consistantly drop $50 on this low-end franchise everytime a new game comes out? Who are these people? I want to see if they actually exist.vongroove

Im the same I don't get it, its to boring uninspired and drab, I think the only reason people like is coz of her/it's body. I remember when a sequel was released and fans were complaining about not being able to look down her cleavage to well.

well what alot of people find boring other people find atmospheric, my favourite game of all time is Shenmue which alot of people would find boring for me it was the most involving game i have ever played

Deus Ex is another one of favourite games, again which had average gameplay but it was about the atmosphere

the original Tomb raider for me is probably is in my top ten games of all time simply because the feelings i got from entering a HUGE chamber knowing you were hundred of meters underground, the scale was amazing and the Egyptian ghostliness of the areas you explored.

It was the feeling you were the first person here in hundreds of years and isolation, similiar to the feeling that Metroid games evokes

Plus the scaling and platforming while formulaic was very satisfying evoking similar feelings of prince of persia had in the past and in the remakes

I mean for me i consider it a better game than say Gears of War even though i am aware that gears of war has much better gameplay, its all about emotion and atmosphere that defines the best games

I own every Tomb Raider Game expect for Chronicles :x... that game is hard to find. But yea, I've been a fan since it was released on the Playstation.2ndWonder

I have it and beat it twice... You'd wet ur pants if you played the labyrinth level! and gallows tree manthose levels were crap!

Anyways, any person who enjoys playing videogames for the purpose of gaming,agrees that old TR games are better than than thetrashy, generic new ones made by CD.

I never played the old PS1 TRs, so I can't comment on them. But I am currently playing TR Anniversary and I'm enjoying it alot. It reminds me of the Prince of Persia series and Ico, which are some of my all time favorite games. Its not quite as good as POP or Ico, but it is close. And it is definitely better than other games that try similar gameplay elements like Bloodrayne and Batman Begins.

I tried out TR when I found TR Legend in a bargain bin. It wasn't the greatest game I ever played, but it was better than a lot of games out there. I liked the environmental puzzles, but I agree with above posters who noted that the combat and motorcycle sequences are not partically well done. The combat in Anniversary seems better. I like the way the animals jump out at you unexpectedly. Anyway, Legend was good enough to get me to ask for Anniversary for Christmas. And Anniversary is a great game so far. So I am happy to be playing it.

As for Laura's attributes -- they are definitely not the reason I play TR. In fact, they are the reason I stayed away from the TR series for so long. I used to assume that that was all the TR series had going for it. Luckily, Legend got good enough reviews that I decided to take a chance on it when I found it in the bargain bin. So count me in as a fan a Tomb Raider.

[QUOTE="ukguvnor"]


In my opinion, the first 4 games were fantastic. The games took an age to complete, had tons of brilliant secrets, and really clever puzzles. For those of us who had the patience to play the game, the exploration aspect was one of the series' strengths.

TR4 was probably my favourite as the setting was what I believe to be the essence of TR, with the pyramids etc. I prefered the levels which were deep underground in boobie-trapped tombs (as opposed to the City levels in TR3). At the time, they were also pretty scary too. Settings like the sunken ship and tombs with mummies chasing you from their sarcophagi, twinned with the spooky understated music made them all the more great.

The newer games (Legend, Anniversary) are great fun to play, but a hell of a lot shorter. This is mostly due to the fact most players need to have a hand pop up on the screen to let them know they are next to a secret door, for example. Much of the older games had me stuck for ages, with no clues, until I discovered a missed block or key somewhere. So the exploration has gone, and they just don't feel the same.

It's understandable, I guess.

So to answer your question, yes, but more of an old school TR fan!

Ectomy

I think TR4 was the longest too, it certainly felt that way.

Yeah I guess you could say I'm a fan of Tomb Raider. I really enjoyed the first two games then for some reason I just kind of never got around to playing any of the games after that. When TR: Legends came out I picked up a copy for the 360 and really enjoyed it. I'd like to get TR: Anniversary.Archangel3371

I'm in the exact same boat as you. I want to play Anniversary but for some reason I haven't picked it up yet. I think i skipped TR 3 and 4 because I started getting into the Legacy of Kain series and enjoyed the vampire theme over the big chested rich girl theme (my taste in porn is the other way around)

• Tomb Raider 1 - 1996 - Incredible game. Really the game responsible for getting me back into gaming and the one that got me to buy a Playstation.....even over Resident Evil.
• Tomb Raider 2 - 1997 - Also an amazing game. Basically just more of the same, but with added vehicles and bigger levels.
• Tomb Raider 3 - 1998 - This is where it started to fall apart. Half the levels were brilliant TR classics, the other half were just forgettable, stupid, and generic levels that didn't really mesh with the TR vibe. Also, by this point the controls should have been overhauled. As well as the camera. Little did anyone know, this would take almost a decade and a developer switch to accomplish.
• Tomb Raider 4 through Angel Of Darkness - 1999/2004 - Should have never existed. Useless.
• Tomb Raider Legend - 2006 - The game that made TR relevent again. Controls and Camera finally fixed, and puzzles and platforming modernized. Combat still isn't too hot, but combat shouldn't be the focus of TR anyway.
• Tomb Raider Anniversary - 2007- Remake of the original game with TR Legend's engine.

Both TR Legend and Anniversary are underrated in my opinion.

I really enjoyed Legend, after not caring at all for the series since the first game. I have Anniversary, Wii version, but haven't got to try it yet, too much of a backlog. Oblivion beckons.SteelAttack

I'm playing Anniversary for Wii right now. It's good, but I liked Legend better.

I loved Tomb Raider 2. But IMHO that was the last good TR. And that came out in 98 I think.

[QUOTE="SteelAttack"]I really enjoyed Legend, after not caring at all for the series since the first game. I have Anniversary, Wii version, but haven't got to try it yet, too much of a backlog. Oblivion beckons.Heathcliff

I'm playing Anniversary for Wii right now. It's good, but I liked Legend better.

I really dislike the level disighn in Legend. Far to easy for a TR game.

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[QUOTE="SteelAttack"]I really enjoyed Legend, after not caring at all for the series since the first game. I have Anniversary, Wii version, but haven't got to try it yet, too much of a backlog. Oblivion beckons.Coyo7e

I'm playing Anniversary for Wii right now. It's good, but I liked Legend better.

I really dislike the level disighn in Legend. Far to easy for a TR game.

Legend was designed more like a standard adventure game with simple platforming just to get from point A to B and move the story along. Whereas TR1 and TR2 were designed to be more about the hardcore exploration than story.

I like both, but I do prefer the style of the old games. That's why Anniversary is great. It has the more modern controls mixed with TR1's hardcore exploration.

The Games are basically puzzle-adventure; i.e. not for those who do not enjoy exploration and puzzle solving - it takes patience, encouragement, and a fair dose of curiousity to enjoy the Tomb Raider games. Adventure like that was just great; I own 1-4 and Legend, and personally favor number 4 and Legend.

The only true fault to Legend was the shortness and the storyline with Lara's sister which was very poor in my regards. Otherwise the game was A+ and I think everyone knows it - a few more levels and it would have been fine.

Still I would not have picked the games up for their $50 - I bought one for my brother (number II) and was dismayed when he said he didn't even want it (mostly because he would have to get me something in return); I kept the game, and mopstly enjoyed myself before I eventually got frustrated with it and let someone else have it.

In fact I don't think I would have ever picked the game up again (which I did just last week for less than $2 in near mint condition at Gamers), but eventually found myself with an eBay account where a person can now find the games for $5.00 on the average - which in the end makes it very accessible. #1 has it's problems (graphically speaking), but I really enjoyed number 3 and especially number 4. Legend blew me away but in the end was just very short and I don't think that the mansion made up for it. (Reallym though, one more level and I would have been fairly satisfied - they threw a lot of ground into the individual levels; like Peru and Russia)

The Games are basically puzzle-adventure; i.e. not for those who do not enjoy exploration and puzzle solving - it takes patience, encouragement, and a fair dose of curiousity to enjoy the Tomb Raider games. Adventure like that was just great; I own 1-4 and Legend, and personally favor number 4 and Legend.

The only true fault to Legend was the shortness and the storyline with Lara's sister which was very poor in my regards. Otherwise the game was A+ and I think everyone knows it - a few more levels and it would have been fine.

Still I would not have picked the games up for their $50 - I bought one for my brother (number II) and was dismayed when he said he didn't even want it (mostly because he would have to get me something in return); I kept the game, and mopstly enjoyed myself before I eventually got frustrated with it and let someone else have it.

In fact I don't think I would have ever picked the game up again (which I did just last week for less than $2 in near mint condition at Gamers), but eventually found myself with an eBay account where a person can now find the games for $5.00 on the average - which in the end makes it very accessible. #1 has it's problems (graphically speaking), but I really enjoyed number 3 and especially number 4. Legend blew me away but in the end was just very short and I don't think that the mansion made up for it. (Reallym though, one more level and I would have been fairly satisfied - they threw a lot of ground into the individual levels; like Peru and Russia)

Bill77aeiou

Her mother and not her sister? Russia? Khazakistan you mean?Play the game before posting!

Graphically seaking? sorry but the game istwelve years old and was impressive graphic-wise back in the day. The second and third were more challenging and the 4th was hard for any newcomers! The games were for hardcore audience as simple as that!

I used to be a fan back in the days of the first game (when I was a young man). I mean wow a woman as a main character in a game, it was unheard of.

Credit where credit is due!

RIP Core Design!

I used to be a fan back in the days of the first game (when I was a young man). I mean wow a woman as a main character in a game, it was unheard of.

Credit where credit is due!

RIP Core Design!

zeus_gb

Actually, I have fonder memories of other Core Design games, such Heimdal and Wolfchild. I admired Tomb Raider for it's complete freedom of movement, but I really hated all that back and forth. Still, good game.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"][QUOTE="vongroove"]

[QUOTE="Conjuration"]This is one series whos popularity I could never fully understand. I mean, I understand the appeal of Lara Croft's appearance, but the actual games themselves, why would someone want to play them? The PSX games were clunky, buggy, drab, and just plain boring. And anything that came out after that is mediocre at best. Someone please explain why a person would ever be willing to consistantly drop $50 on this low-end franchise everytime a new game comes out? Who are these people? I want to see if they actually exist.joemancoe

Im the same I don't get it, its to boring uninspired and drab, I think the only reason people like is coz ofher/it's body. I remember when a sequel was released and fans were complaining about not being able tolook down her cleavage to well.

BTW if you happend to have played the older games you'd know that Lara looked almost like a guy. There was plenty of things to do and the game was thousand times more challenging than it is now.

Indeed the older games were much more challenging than they are now. Lara's boobs have little to no appeal to many of those who play and like the game unless they are a horny teenage boy. The game made one use their brain a thing it would seem some have no wish to do. Those who find it drab and boring most likely couldn't play the game.

I remember completing TR1-2, they are drab and boring but because of the hype I kept playing but they were just dull, dull, dull oh and did I say dull, it's nothing to do with not being able to play the game...