Jeff's Termination Discussion Thread - Please Keep ALL Related Discussion Here

This isn't quite an 'official' thread, but it will make things much cleaner on the GGD board if we focus our discussion to a single thread. I can't make this stickied, but I don't have any doubts regarding it staying alive due to user posts and such.

Also, to keep things from getting out of hand, let's not resort to talks regarding to things like board invasions, account suicides, and the such. This is something that has struck us all in a deep way, and letting the emotions get too out of hand isn't going to make things any easier for us all.

Thanks for your understanding.

Can you tell us how much of the stuff we are hearing is true...or are they going to make a newsline about it soon.

I got too emotional last night and vowed never to come back to GameSpot. For one thing, I won't be coming here for the reviews, but rather the community. That is one thing I like about GameSpot.

I feel bad for Jeff, but I know that he'll do just fine. As for what has transpired over the last 24 hours or so, I find it outrageous. Although, I did find some much needed hilarity in the player reviews for Kayne & Lynch -- Ugh, it's hard to think about that game. I know for many (myself included), the credibilty of GameSpot and reviews in general, have very little meaning.

Firing Jeff is like Gamespot running over a bunch of puppies and kittens with a hummer.Nightingale27

I lol'd

But seriously, this sucks.

Can you tell us how much of the stuff we are hearing is true...or are they going to make a newsline about it soon.Lorindol

So I can't really say much more about the matter, other than yes, Jeff is no longer with Gamespot, and I don't know when they'll make any sort of official announcement on the matter.

[QUOTE="Lorindol"]Can you tell us how much of the stuff we are hearing is true...or are they going to make a newsline about it soon.Skylock00

So I can't really say much more about the matter, other than yes, Jeff is no longer with Gamespot, and I don't know when they'll make any sort of official announcement on the matter.

thanks for the reply

[QUOTE="Lorindol"]Can you tell us how much of the stuff we are hearing is true...or are they going to make a newsline about it soon.Skylock00

So I can't really say much more about the matter, other than yes, Jeff is no longer with Gamespot, and I don't know when they'll make any sort of official announcement on the matter.

You Mods must be having a rough 24 hours. I know JustPlainLucas lost his cool in the off-topic board, but apologized afterwards.

[QUOTE="Lorindol"]Can you tell us how much of the stuff we are hearing is true...or are they going to make a newsline about it soon.Skylock00

So I can't really say much more about the matter, other than yes, Jeff is no longer with Gamespot, and I don't know when they'll make any sort of official announcement on the matter.

thanks, that was what I wanted to know. it's pretty sad though.

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[QUOTE="Lorindol"]Can you tell us how much of the stuff we are hearing is true...or are they going to make a newsline about it soon.Lanezy

So I can't really say much more about the matter, other than yes, Jeff is no longer with Gamespot, and I don't know when they'll make any sort of official announcement on the matter.

You Mods must be having a rough 24 hours. I know JustPlainLucas lost his cool in the off-topic board, but apologized afterwards.

Wait, JustPlaintLuces did what?

You Mods must be having a rough 24 hours. I know JustPlainLucas lost his cool in the off-topic board, but apologized afterwards.

Lanezy

All it does is give the moderators more work, when we have nothing to do with the situation, and in several cases feel just as upset as you guys about it.

I read some more info about this from other sources. But it looks like the Eidos thing is true but there's also something deeper.

It looks like the recent management change is the catalyst.

i missed the Freak of Of JustPlaneLucas, But if he looses it, then this is something big,

I do know from the few Editor blogs i have read there all scared or really saddend by this

Your company should be ashamed, Skylock. Rumors such as these tend to be true. It's outrageous, and hopefully GS feels the effect in a loss of traffic because of it.BlackdogGT

I don't work directly for Gamespot or CNet other than being a community moderator. I have no control or say over /anything/ with the company, and I'm not even a paid employee or anything.

Skylock, do you think the admins will approve this topic? I think they've said that they want all Jeff talk to be limited to the thread in the OT board.

Skylock, do you think the admins will approve this topic? I think they've said that they want all Jeff talk to be limited to the thread in the OT board.

dog64

Finally a mod who isn't out there blocking the floodgate of Jeff advocate threads.Username289

We aren't trying to stop anyone from talking about this, at all, just keep it organized and focused.

Your company should be ashamed, Skylock. Rumors such as these tend to be true. It's outrageous, and hopefully GS feels the effect in a loss of traffic because of it.BlackdogGT

His company? Slylock doesn't get paid. He volunteers.

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Skylock, do you think the admins will approve this topic? I think they've said that they want all Jeff talk to be limited to the thread in the OT board.

Skylock00

That's good. I think we needed a new topic anyway because the one in OT is getting too flooded. I don't know it'll be allowed to reach 10,000 posts or what.

I can't quite make up my mind.

Option A: Watching the deleted video review (once again, thanks YouTube) I've been wondering: what if this is just a dirty trick to give Gamespot visibilty by giving the gaming community something to talk about?

Yet, this is a pretty cynical thing to think, so I won't.

Option B: Jeff has some guts. I mean, he's been in the gaming industry for a decade, he knew what he was running into for bashing a game like Kake & Leech. yet he decided to do it anyway. How brave was that? IF and I stress IF this is the case, he's going to be my favouite reviewer on IGN or whoever hires him next.

One thing I'm 101% sure: Kate & Lucy: Dead Men is not going to sell much. Everybody is going to hate it for what happened. they should have swallowed their 6.0, now they're going to lose their money. MONEY. MONEY. MONEY.

Just wondering Skylock, you don't have to answer. But are you thinking about leaving Gamespot after this and not posting here anymore?

I'm considering it especially if all the people I discuss with here leave as well.

The forums won't be the same that's for sure.

[QUOTE="BlackdogGT"]Your company should be ashamed, Skylock. Rumors such as these tend to be true. It's outrageous, and hopefully GS feels the effect in a loss of traffic because of it.Skylock00

I don't work directly for Gamespot or CNet other than being a community moderator. I have no control or say over /anything/ with the company, and I'm not even a paid employee or anything.

Apologies to you then, Sky. I rarely visit the forums here, so I'm not up to speed on the roles of the moderators and their ties to Gamespot. My opinion remains, though. Don't take my post as a flame directed at you or an attempt to garner attention. I've read up on the story via 1up and Kotaku, though I visit this site on a regular and daily basis. I trust(ed) this site, subscribe to the Hotspot poscast, and generally enjoy all of the content. But the negatives of this issue greatly outweigh the positives. And that's why I'm done with CNET based websites. Shame, really.

ONe things for sure: Kayne & Lynche: Dead Men is probably the most hated game here on GameSpot.Lanezy

Yes, and that saddens me. Neither Io Interactive nor their game deserves this. Just like Jeff and all of the guys at GameSpot, they've been pushed into becoming the key players of something that's out of their control.

[QUOTE="Lanezy"]ONe things for sure: Kayne & Lynche: Dead Men is probably the most hated game here on GameSpot.UpInFlames

Yes, and that saddens me. Neither Io Interactive nor their game deserves this. Just like Jeff and all of the guys at GameSpot, they've been pushed into becoming the key players of something that's out of their control.

Yeah, stop the hate on Kane & Lynch. IO Interactive are great, they made the game and have nothing to do with any of this crap. They also made two of my favorite last-gen games: Hitman 2 and Freedom Fighters.

Hate Eidos all you want, but don't take it out on the developers, who had nothing to do with their corporate corruption.

Just wondering Skylock, you don't have to answer. But are you thinking about leaving Gamespot after this and not posting here anymore?

I'm considering it especially if all the people I discuss with here leave as well.

The forums won't be the same that's for sure.

ASK_Story

Personally I don't think leaving Gamespot or cancelling your total access is going to help any. You're just taking away your extra privileges on the site for something that really doesn't affect you. We may all be upset about Jeff being fired, as am I, but it's not causing me to leave. And Gamespot isn't going to suffer much even if many more people unsubscribe. This site gets many new visitors everyday. Some of them will subscribe, notknowing about Jeff or who we was, and then Cnet/Gamespot will get their subscription money back.

But everyone do what your conscience tells you.

Just wondering Skylock, you don't have to answer. But are you thinking about leaving Gamespot after this and not posting here anymore?

I'm considering it especially if all the people I discuss with here leave as well.

The forums won't be the same that's for sure.

ASK_Story

I'm still not sure what I'll do, but leaving GS isn't out of the question, as much as I don't like to say it.

Have the mods given serious consideration to quitting over this? It's a horrible example of credibility and integrity lost (or in this case sacrificed on the altar of marketing) and I am suprised to think that anyone whose ability to make ends meat isn't affected by quiting would choose to stay?

Do you choose to remain a moderater on these boards because you believe in the company that you are serving? Or do you simply enjoy doing it enough that it outweighs what taking a stand would cost you personally?

This isn't meant as a flame though obviously its pointed. I'm just curious to hear why you would continue to moderate and in turn provide a free service to a company that has done what they have done to an employee of 10 years for the reasons that appear to have occured.

Good luck to all of those unfairly tainted by this throughout CNet's affiliates. This probably sucks more than it does for Jeff at this point since he at least has the benefit of being a martyr in this mess.

[QUOTE="Lanezy"]ONe things for sure: Kayne & Lynche: Dead Men is probably the most hated game here on GameSpot.UpInFlames

Yes, and that saddens me. Neither Io Interactive nor their game deserves this. Just like Jeff and all of the guys at GameSpot, they've been pushed into becoming the key players of something that's out of their control.

Two words: Sold out.

I'm sorry, but if Gamespot supports this virus that's infected the gaming industry, I refuse to read you're reviews. And to top that all off, you guys fearfully locked at least 10 legible posts about your own loyal users complaining. Goodbye.

Do you choose to remain a moderater on these boards because you believe in the company that you are serving? Or do you simply enjoy doing it enough that it outweighs what taking a stand would cost you personally?

bpenticuff

So really, my incentive to stay will weigh more on the community side of things than anything else.

Two words: Sold out.

I'm sorry, but if Gamespot supports this virus that's infected the gaming industry, I refuse to read you're reviews. And to top that all off, you guys fearfully locked at least 10 legible posts about your own loyal users complaining. Goodbye.

Darkryu44

We want to simply keep discussion focused in one thread, that's all, because it's much better for everyone than 10 separate threads on the same topic.

check out my new sig.

I am seriously pissed about this though. I joined Gamespot about a two years ago, but have come here every day since. If the reviews turn fake, I might put a bullet in my head, or something to that effect.

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Just wondering Skylock, you don't have to answer. But are you thinking about leaving Gamespot after this and not posting here anymore?

I'm considering it especially if all the people I discuss with here leave as well.

The forums won't be the same that's for sure.

Skylock00

I'm still not sure what I'll do, but leaving GS isn't out of the question, as much as I don't like to say it.

I understand.

All I'll say is if you leave than I'll probably end up leaving as well. Because when long time mods who contributed so much to this forum start leaving than the heart and soul of this forum is dead if you ask me.

So I wonder if Jeff is getting another job at a mag or another site? Not to mention all the other GS staff, Tim T. and anyone else.

This Ghost bat also ponders these questions:

If everyone leaves, how will we still stay unified?

Where will we go?

I just canceled my total access account. Not really because I'll miss Jeff all that much (nothing personal, he was a good reviewer), but because I can't trust a site that's going to put advertising and making money from it, over giving honest reviews, even if it means a game with a lot of hype about it gets shot down out of the gate.

Gamespot used to be the site FOR gamers, BY gamers...now it's the site FOR gamers, BY coporate suits and advertisers!

I've noticed that Gamespot has been sliding downhill ever since Rich left...On the Spot has become more or less a "maybe we'll have a show this week, maybe we won't".