just watched uncensored manhunt 2 footage - ban was correct

I saw it too and it seemed to be on-par with the original game, so I disagree. I've seen worse stuff in games like Gears of War, The Darkness, and Ninja Gaiden II, to be honest.

I've seen worse stuff in games like Gears of War.UpInFlames

I just watched and I think its more violent/sadistic than the first one. Still the ESRB should've placed a warning sticker on the front box cover or something instead of slapping an AO rating. I think the reason is kids get their hands on M rated games easily, and the imcompotence of some parents, clerks to check for ID's caused this. Gears of War was violent, but unlike this video it didn't show you the worst way possible to kill an enemy. Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyLxDLB15mc

I cannot wait for there to be a PC Director's Cut that is distributed digitally. I refuse to pay for a game that isn't Manhunt 2.foxhound_fox

While it sucks that the game got more censored down than the original Manhunt, it doesn't change the notion that having these scenes fully uncensored wouldn't make up for other shortcomings of the game. I still bought the Wii version, and had fun with it, but the difference that would've been given from having the executions fully uncensored would've been relatively minor in the grand scheme of things regarding the actual game's quality, IMHO.

And thats why people that havn't played the game shouldn't be judging it. Sure they blurred out the executions which if you're playing on the Wii, you can't see 95% of the execution anyway because you're watching the corner of the screen to nail the Wii mote movements. So the time you stop watching that, the execution is over.

Besides, yeah they took out the executions, but left in game content which is worse than the executions. There's a scene taken right out of Hostel, where you're going through a basement and people are tied to chairs/tables and are being tortured and killed when they scream their heads off. But thats acceptable to the ESRB right?

Did it make you want to run out and kill people? Did it scar you for life? No? Then, why should a game designed for a mature audience be banned?

If you want to live in a little happy bradybunch world full of fluffy, happy thingswhere everything is dictated to you, be my guest. But keep me out of it.

I watched the movie yesterday, and wow...That wasn't that bad. There are army movies worser than that. Most of the attacks he made only squirt out blood and you can barely see the gory guts coming out.

The ban was stupid. It shouldn't have receieved an AO. An AO rating is like a beyond R rating movie.

What I was wondering though is how can Rockstar come up with many ways to kill someone. xP

And thats why people that havn't played the game shouldn't be judging it. Sure they blurred out the executions which if you're playing on the Wii, you can't see 95% of the execution anyway because you're watching the corner of the screen to nail the Wii mote movements. So the time you stop watching that, the execution is over.

strayzilla

It's not as offputting in that regard, though the censoring is indeed more extreme than the PS2 version.

Did it make you want to run out and kill people? Did it scar you for life? No? Then, why should a game designed for a mature audience be banned?

If you want to live in a little happy bradybunch world full of fluffy, happy thingswhere everything is dictated to you, be my guest. But keep me out of it.

EdgecrusherAza

This game didn't make me kill anyone, though ironically the Brady Bunch has nearly pushed me to the edge. After watching the episode where Marsha got her nose broken I started throwing footballs in the faces of as many pretty girls as I could find.

While it sucks that the game got more censored down than the original Manhunt, it doesn't change the notion that having these scenes fully uncensored wouldn't make up for other shortcomings of the game. I still bought the Wii version, and had fun with it, but the difference that would've been given from having the executions fully uncensored would've been relatively minor in the grand scheme of things regarding the actual game's quality, IMHO.Skylock00

While I agree that it can't make up for the other shortcommings, I kind of get the feeling you might be downplaying the significance of the executions. I think that they can substantially impact one's enjoyment of the game as the executions are an integral part of the game as they basically act as a pay-off for the player's patience and risk-taking. After skulking in the shadows for fairly long stretches of time and waiting for your chance, it's extremely satisfying to watch the stylish execution scenes. It was without a doubt one of the elements that caused the Wii version to be marked down by Kevin.

While I agree that it can't make up for the other shortcommings, I kind of get the feeling you might be downplaying the significance of the executions. I think that they can substantially impact one's enjoyment of the game as the executions are an integral part of the game as they basically act as a pay-off for the player's patience and risk-taking. After skulking in the shadows for fairly long stretches of time and waiting for your chance, it's extremely satisfying to watch the stylish execution scenes. It was without a doubt one of the elements that caused the Wii version to be marked down by Kevin.UpInFlames

The reason why it feels like I'm downplaying the executions is because at the end of the day, they ultimately feel very hollow to the design of the game, the payback you get for the executions is relatively short lived both from a visual standpoint and from an actual tactical standpoint (gaining health back from the executions is a nice touch). Having them uncensored wouldn't change this fact in the slightest as far as I can tell, which is why I don't feel as upset about it.

Perhaps if the design of the game caused the executions to feel more...connected to the actual game experience in a larger sense, I would've been more upset about what has happened to the censoring of the execution scenes. Ultimately, I never felt that the executions were something that I really wanted to strive to get after so long, because the payback was so miniscule to me, especially because there was no real incentive to go for higher level executions with different weapons aside from seeing a different animation, or getting more health back.

It just felt like everything else in the game overall...just sort of disconnected with the rest of the experience, not having any real impact or deep connection with everything else around it, IMHO.

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]I've seen worse stuff in games like Gears of War.foxhound_fox

Hmm. I can see why it was banned now that I have watched that vid.

Its pretty brutal.

Hmm. I can see why it was banned now that I have watched that vid.

Its pretty brutal.

VinnoT

But it's pretty cool too. I love all that gore. I don't see why they would ban a game because of gore. Actually, no game should be banned, they all should be given a rating. I mean, even if it was 25years+, I'd still get the game, but banning a game is the stupidest thing ever :/ If some people don't like all that gore, then they shouldn't play it end of.

Wow, do some of you guys honestly find the GeoW chainsawing is equivalent toanything on thatManhunt 2 uncensored link? I mean, in terms of realism, and being super sadistic? I could care less cause w/e its aAVERAGEgame and I wouldnt buy itso by all means let the publicget theirhands on it, buty'all must be pretty desensitized to violenceto not notice a huge difference in how its being depicted. Just, wow... wacky_sashimi

With few exceptions, killing someone with a chainsaw in GeoW seems to render a more brutal, violent image than what is shown in Manhunt 2. Yes, Manhunt 2 has a level of brutality to it, but that's kind of the point behind the game and the characters, so there's relevency to the design.

That video was pretty boring to me. I was yawning about 1 minute through.

Recently I watched SAW, Dawn of the Dead, and friday the 13th. I've seen a million people hacked to bits in other games, and especially movies. Whats so special about manhunt? On Sopranos the other day, you know, the critically acclaimed award winning show on HBO, I saw a guy get shot 6 times in the chest, then thrown in a ditch. In another episode, they beat some guy to death with a baseball bat. And those were REAL actors, not a bunch of polygons. And i'm supposed to get up in arms about this? It looks more comical than anything.

Why the fuss? I just don't get it

[QUOTE="wacky_sashimi"]Wow, do some of you guys honestly find the GeoW chainsawing is equivalent toanything on thatManhunt 2 uncensored link? I mean, in terms of realism, and being super sadistic? I could care less cause w/e its aAVERAGEgame and I wouldnt buy itso by all means let the publicget theirhands on it, buty'all must be pretty desensitized to violenceto not notice a huge difference in how its being depicted. Just, wow... Skylock00

With few exceptions, killing someone with a chainsaw in GeoW seems to render a more brutal, violent image than what is shown in Manhunt 2. Yes, Manhunt 2 has a level of brutality to it, but that's kind of the point behind the game and the characters, so there's relevency to the design.

There is no way GOW equates to manhunt 2. A chainsaw kill in Gears is actually quite cartoony and comical, despite the blood spray. When you watch the manhunt video with the character stabbing someone in the chest and then stabbing him in the eyes while hes dying, thats just sadistic

There is no way GOW equates to manhunt 2. A chainsaw kill in Gears is actually quite cartoony and comical, despite the blood spray. When you watch the manhunt video with the character stabbing someone in the chest and then stabbing him in the eyes while hes dying, thats just sadistic

vitriolboy

lol

Stabbing someone in the eye = bad

Running a chansaw through someones chest = good!

Ahhh, i get it now!

There is no way GOW equates to manhunt 2. A chainsaw kill in Gears is actually quite cartoony and comical, despite the blood spray. When you watch the manhunt video with the character stabbing someone in the chest and then stabbing him in the eyes while hes dying, thats just sadisticvitriolboy

Wow, do some of you guys honestly find the GeoW chainsawing is equivalent toanything on thatManhunt 2 uncensored link? I mean, in terms of realism, and being super sadistic? I could care less cause w/e its aAVERAGEgame and I wouldnt buy itso by all means let the publicget theirhands on it, buty'all must be pretty desensitized to violenceto not notice a huge difference in how its being depicted. Just, wow...wacky_sashimi

Yeah, because the chainsawing and curbstomping in Gears of War is anything but realistic and sadistic, right? Seriously, if I really have to sit here and explain to you how Gears of War is worse than Manhunt in terms of the violence being more graphic then I honestly don't know what to say.

Also, Manhunt is a GREAT game and Manhunt 2 is a GOOD game.

[QUOTE="Skylock00"]

[QUOTE="wacky_sashimi"]Wow, do some of you guys honestly find the GeoW chainsawing is equivalent toanything on thatManhunt 2 uncensored link? I mean, in terms of realism, and being super sadistic? I could care less cause w/e its aAVERAGEgame and I wouldnt buy itso by all means let the publicget theirhands on it, buty'all must be pretty desensitized to violenceto not notice a huge difference in how its being depicted. Just, wow... vitriolboy

With few exceptions, killing someone with a chainsaw in GeoW seems to render a more brutal, violent image than what is shown in Manhunt 2. Yes, Manhunt 2 has a level of brutality to it, but that's kind of the point behind the game and the characters, so there's relevency to the design.

There is no way GOW equates to manhunt 2. A chainsaw kill in Gears is actually quite cartoony and comical, despite the blood spray. When you watch the manhunt video with the character stabbing someone in the chest and then stabbing him in the eyes while hes dying, thats just sadistic

I actually agree, but I don't think the game should have been banned. It should have been handled diligently by the retailers and responsible parents.

The act in which the violence is committed, is far worse than in GeOW. I don't think it's as black and white as saying, chainsaw kill=good; manhunt kill=bad, or vice-versa.

I just watched and I think its more violent/sadistic than the first one. Still the ESRB should've placed a warning sticker on the front box cover or something instead of slapping an AO rating. I think the reason is kids get their hands on M rated games easily, and the imcompotence of some parents, clerks to check for ID's caused this. Gears of War was violent, but unlike this video it didn't show you the worst way possible to kill an enemy. Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyLxDLB15mc

D3s7rUc71oN

Nice find there...I watched the whole thing. I have to admit, some of those kills are really brutal and bloody, but did they have to censor EVERY kill? Some of them didn't even have blood in them...

I wouldn't of censored any of the kills though, they weren't violent enough for that imo.

I just watched and I think its more violent/sadistic than the first one. Still the ESRB should've placed a warning sticker on the front box cover or something instead of slapping an AO rating. I think the reason is kids get their hands on M rated games easily, and the imcompotence of some parents, clerks to check for ID's caused this. Gears of War was violent, but unlike this video it didn't show you the worst way possible to kill an enemy. Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyLxDLB15mc

D3s7rUc71oN

The guy at 1:30 in got 'manholed'.

Look at those ninja gaiden screenshots up there

look at this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7lhXFsLMyWg

Now look at manhunt 2

If you really think theres a huge difference between the three, you need to have your head examined. I'd say that the biggest difference is that the graphics in manhunt 2 are so old and terrible, I dont know how anyone could take it seriously. It reminds me of the complaints behind the slaughterhouse game for the sega genesis.

Holy Wall 'O Textwacky_sashimi

How does me being in the minority matter in any way? Desentisized? Please don't use that lame excuse around me because, quite frankly, I'm sick of it.

You say that you don't think playing Manhunt is dangerous, but then you turn around and talk about newspaper clippings and whatnot. Why does it matter? In the end, they're both works of fiction. Yes, one is about killing earth-dwelling humanoid creatures and the other about killing gang members--there's no denying that Manhunt is thematically a lot more rooted in the real-world--but if you take a look at the depiction of violence itself - Gears of War is more graphic than Manhunt.

To me the video is over the top sick and sadistic...you have to be pretty cold blooded not to be disturbed by that.

Manhunt and it's sequel is where the line for violence should be drawn...obviously each kill may not be as graphic as an individual fatality in Mortal Kombat or a kill in Gears/RE4; it's the atmosphere created by the savage, nonchalant killing that crosses the line. If a serial killer could make a game, manhunt would be the result.

I just watched and I think its more violent/sadistic than the first one. Still the ESRB should've placed a warning sticker on the front box cover or something instead of slapping an AO rating. I think the reason is kids get their hands on M rated games easily, and the imcompotence of some parents, clerks to check for ID's caused this. Gears of War was violent, but unlike this video it didn't show you the worst way possible to kill an enemy. Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyLxDLB15mc

D3s7rUc71oN

Wow. That is pretty violent.. At least Sony and Nintendo has stepped up and decided to allow AO rated games on their systems..

No need to jest, or condescend with the reply. Just don't quote what I wrote, or would thatbe too difficult,would readers not be able to put2 and 2 together? I don't see how I was using desensitized as an 'excuse' or a cop-out or something to that affect, but whatever, you misunderstood. Obviously my whole commentjust went in one ear and out the other so we'll just leave it at that. People will interpret things differently, some people will agree with me, others with you... I see theres nothing here to argue.

You know what I think a large part of this is? People saying it's that bad just because the ESRB does. The ESRB is clearly inconsistent with its ratings. Lots of games that contained enough M-rated violence received Ts, and vice versa. Anyone remember the first Halo? Where the hell was all the blood in that game? I honestly can't figure out why it was rated M. I remember buying Oblivion for the 360 when it first came out, and I was seeing all sorts of gruesome and grizzly things in the game. And look what happened? It got rerated. I'm not going to pull a GTA: SA example here, because it's not a fair example to make.

I just made a blog post about my feelingsof having played this game with the censored executions. Without having to cut and paste, I will pretty much just summarize what I've said. Basically, there is nothing in Manhunt 2 that is worse than in Manhunt 1. ESRB had no problems giving Manhunt an M rating, but all of a sudden are having a problem with Manhunt 2? It seems like they are now having to walk on eggshells thanks to Jack Thompson and the rest of those pro-censorship nutballs out there, so they overreacted, and now Rockstar has overreacted as a result and has censored too much.

If you've played both games, then you have a right to say what you think should be banned, or should not be banned. Please don't just say you agree with the ban because ESRB said so. You need to keep this fact in mind. Our games are being unfairly singled out. They can make really bloodly, gorey and grizzly movies in the theatres, and if the MPAA has problems with a few scenes, they'll just remove it and put them in an unrated DVD, which to my knowledge has no sales restrictions to minors. Where are our unrated video games?

I've been saying this ever since Manhunt 2 received the AO. Our industry is not respected like the movie industry is. People need to come to grips that it's time for an AO market or an unrated market. This censorship cannot continue this way, or it's going to tighten on the developers. Soon, exploding headshots will no longer be acceptable. We really need to start thinking for ourselves instead of having our minds made up by what the government for a ratings board tells us.

[QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]

I just watched and I think its more violent/sadistic than the first one. Still the ESRB should've placed a warning sticker on the front box cover or something instead of slapping an AO rating. I think the reason is kids get their hands on M rated games easily, and the imcompotence of some parents, clerks to check for ID's caused this. Gears of War was violent, but unlike this video it didn't show you the worst way possible to kill an enemy. Here's the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyLxDLB15mc

Quadrifoglio

Wow. That is pretty violent.. At least Sony and Nintendo has stepped up and decided to allow AO rated games on their systems..

Huh? When did that happen? :?

Wow. That is pretty violent.. At least Sony and Nintendo has stepped up and decided to allow AO rated games on their systems..

Quadrifoglio

No need to jest, or condescend with the reply. Just don't quote what I wrote, or would thatbe too difficult,would readers not be able to put2 and 2 together?

wacky_sashimi

I didn't bother reading your previous reply, because it didn't seem like you put any effort making it into something that's easy for other posters to read over, making it difficult to effectively understand what your point is. If you want people to take your posts seriously, make it seem like you're taking your own posts seriously in the first place.

[QUOTE="Skylock00"]

[QUOTE="wacky_sashimi"]Wow, do some of you guys honestly find the GeoW chainsawing is equivalent toanything on thatManhunt 2 uncensored link? I mean, in terms of realism, and being super sadistic? I could care less cause w/e its aAVERAGEgame and I wouldnt buy itso by all means let the publicget theirhands on it, buty'all must be pretty desensitized to violenceto not notice a huge difference in how its being depicted. Just, wow... vitriolboy

With few exceptions, killing someone with a chainsaw in GeoW seems to render a more brutal, violent image than what is shown in Manhunt 2. Yes, Manhunt 2 has a level of brutality to it, but that's kind of the point behind the game and the characters, so there's relevency to the design.

There is no way GOW equates to manhunt 2. A chainsaw kill in Gears is actually quite cartoony and comical, despite the blood spray. When you watch the manhunt video with the character stabbing someone in the chest and then stabbing him in the eyes while hes dying, thats just sadistic

I disagree completely. There's nothing cartoonish or comical about the gore in Gears. You can Run up to someone and grind them into pieces, with very vivid animations and sounds. You can shoot an arrow to penetrate into someone's body, then blow them apart. Not to mention that your human character can be killed in such ways as well. Gears is a very dark game, and in that sense it is comparable to games like Manhunt.

That being said, I don't support any kind of censorship of a developer's product.Whether or not the game crosses the line is a decision that families and individuals can make on their own, but it simply isn't a decision that Politicians, lawyers, or organizations such as the ESRB should be able to make FOR you. These organizations shouldn't be able to tell amature, grown audience what they can and cannot handle. People have the right to be as sadistic as they want to be.

OK, well thanks for partonizing me on forum eticate, and general grammar knowledge. Next time I'll break up my paragraphs, and make little double space indentations as well, mm? They're still words though, and its legible; you shouldsee my handwriting, terrifying stuff.Not my problem if you have difficulty reading sentences that are all on top of eachother, Ido it all the time when I read, ya know,novels. It doesnt completely discredit what I wrote though, and since you didnt even read it at all, I don't even know why you bothered replying with something thats not really constructive at all.But theres always those grammar/spellchecker people on any forum, unfortunately.And as I mentioned already,people will intepret things differently and I can accept that, thats why I sort of killed the arguement with my last post. Yay!

oh yeah and in regards to spacing, for somereason once I click submit, in the transition it squashes some of my words together; I don't know why, just some odd variable with my laptop and this forum interface.

Apparently games are rated on how the violence is presented, because Gears is deffinately just as brutal with the chainsawing, but it presents it as more of ha ha your dead. Manhunt 2 presents it as splat,gore,decapitationyour dead.

I just made a blog post about my feelingsof having played this game with the censored executions. Without having to cut and paste, I will pretty much just summarize what I've said. Basically, there is nothing in Manhunt 2 that is worse than in Manhunt 1. ESRB had no problems giving Manhunt an M rating, but all of a sudden are having a problem with Manhunt 2? It seems like they are now having to walk on eggshells thanks to Jack Thompson and the rest of those pro-censorship nutballs out there, so they overreacted, and now Rockstar has overreacted as a result and has censored too much.

If you've played both games, then you have a right to say what you think should be banned, or should not be banned. Please don't just say you agree with the ban because ESRB said so. You need to keep this fact in mind. Our games are being unfairly singled out. They can make really bloodly, gorey and grizzly movies in the theatres, and if the MPAA has problems with a few scenes, they'll just remove it and put them in an unrated DVD, which to my knowledge has no sales restrictions to minors. Where are our unrated video games?

JustPlainLucas

I fear you are getting way too deep for this forum. Many of these kids just don't understand, or they don't have the mental power to form their own opinion on the matter. I hate to go off on a tangent, but this is exactly why people like George Bush are still comfortably in power. Too many people are willing to just blindly follow the ESRB without looking at the facts and asking questions. And they'll continue to play right into the Jack Thompson's hands with these bogus ratings until we, as a community, decide that we've had enough.

This is the only industry that pumps billions upon billions of dollars into the world economy and receives absolutely no respect. An industry that rivals Hollywood, and we have almost no say in how we are regulated. It's rediculous, and ultimately quite laughable.

[QUOTE="Skylock00"]

[QUOTE="wacky_sashimi"]Wow, do some of you guys honestly find the GeoW chainsawing is equivalent toanything on thatManhunt 2 uncensored link? I mean, in terms of realism, and being super sadistic? I could care less cause w/e its aAVERAGEgame and I wouldnt buy itso by all means let the publicget theirhands on it, buty'all must be pretty desensitized to violenceto not notice a huge difference in how its being depicted. Just, wow... vitriolboy

With few exceptions, killing someone with a chainsaw in GeoW seems to render a more brutal, violent image than what is shown in Manhunt 2. Yes, Manhunt 2 has a level of brutality to it, but that's kind of the point behind the game and the characters, so there's relevency to the design.

There is no way GOW equates to manhunt 2. A chainsaw kill in Gears is actually quite cartoony and comical, despite the blood spray. When you watch the manhunt video with the character stabbing someone in the chest and then stabbing him in the eyes while hes dying, thats just sadistic

I agree completely.The Gears gore isclearly exaggerated and less disturbing than that Manhunt video. In my opinion.

No need to jest, or condescend with the reply. Just don't quote what I wrote, or would thatbe too difficult,would readers not be able to put2 and 2 together? I don't see how I was using desensitized as an 'excuse' or a cop-out or something to that affect, but whatever, you misunderstood. Obviously my whole commentjust went in one ear and out the other so we'll just leave it at that. People will interpret things differently, some people will agree with me, others with you... I see theres nothing here to argue.wacky_sashimi

The "Holy Wall 'O Text" comment was partly a joke, partly a subtle suggestion to make your posts more legible - it's not just forum etiquette, but rules as well. Also, please use the quote feature because when a thread gets crowded, it's hard to tell who is replying to whom. All of these things simply make the forums easier to navigate and read through.

People interpret pretty much everything differently, that's why people get together to discuss and debate, and try to present each other with facts and opinions. If you wish to discontinue our talk, that's certainly your prerogative.