Kinect: $149.99 including Kinect Adventures. Slim Arcade $199 Aug 3rd!

Ridiculous pricing, won't be going anywhere near that.

Ridiculous pricing, won't be going anywhere near that.

Beamish1990

[QUOTE="Beamish1990"]

Ridiculous pricing, won't be going anywhere near that.

alexwatchtower

Kinect for $150 is definitely a bad thing. It's also confirmation that Kinect isn't intended for Xbox 360 owners, it's being pushed as a "Wii-too" for gullible parents.

$299 doesn't include the 360 all of us use, it's the gimped arcade model. The "hard drive" included is 4gb, which is just barely large enough to hold the OS and a couple XBLA games. The "game" that's included is a party game collection, again, something that absolutely isn't intended for the 360 core market.

So, yes, absolutely, the pricing is a bad thing.

microsoft are such sons of *****es! I waited two months for E3 to make sure if they would release a cheap Slim. They dont. I buy a crappy arcade that cant even download Shadow complex on my usb without breaking my internet, and a month later they announce a Arcade Slim.

****s!

[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"][QUOTE="Beamish1990"]

Ridiculous pricing, won't be going anywhere near that.

Dire_Weasel

Kinect for $150 is definitely a bad thing. It's also confirmation that Kinect isn't intended for Xbox 360 owners, it's being pushed as a "Wii-too" for gullible parents.

$299 doesn't include the 360 all of us use, it's the gimped arcade model. The "hard drive" included is 4gb, which is just barely large enough to hold the OS and a couple XBLA games. The "game" that's included is a party game collection, again, something that absolutely isn't intended for the 360 core market.

So, yes, absolutely, the pricing is a bad thing.

Let's all tone down the rhetoric. There is no need for these threads to get nasty. I think Kinect has potential, but I don't think the launch lineup is meeting that potential at all. rragnaar

PS: Except I would like some clarification on you locking my other thread. A post listing "official" pricing and a thread that's trying to discuss how it works/can work should be merged together? I'm confused. Why would you want to bring that discussion in here? Not to mention that thread was made last night and this news broke today, so I don't understand how you want me to physically do that.

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]Let's all tone down the rhetoric. There is no need for these threads to get nasty. I think Kinect has potential, but I don't think the launch lineup is meeting that potential at all. alexwatchtower

PS: Except I would like some clarification on you locking my other thread. A post listing pricing and a thread that's trying to discuss how it works/can work should be merged together? I'm confused. Why would you want to bring that discussion in here? I don't understand.

[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"][QUOTE="rragnaar"]Let's all tone down the rhetoric. There is no need for these threads to get nasty. I think Kinect has potential, but I don't think the launch lineup is meeting that potential at all. rragnaar

PS: Except I would like some clarification on you locking my other thread. A post listing pricing and a thread that's trying to discuss how it works/can work should be merged together? I'm confused. Why would you want to bring that discussion in here? I don't understand.

I dont know much about the 360 can you guys help with these basic questions?

do BOTH Xbox slims (regular and arcade) have an internal flash memory of 4GB?

if I don't go online and get an SLIM arcade is the 4GB interal flash memory enough for many game saves ?

can a slim 250GB HD be added to an arcade slim later on?

are there lower capacity slim HD's ?

whats the price of the 250GB HD alone (i can't find a price online)

is it possible to download patches through a computer, transfer them to the 360 via usb then run them?

thanks so much if you can clear these issues up

I dont know much about the 360 can you guys help with these basic questions?

do BOTH Xbox slims (regular and arcade) have an internal flash memory of 4GB?

if I don't go online and get an SLIM arcade is the 4GB interal flash memory enough for many game saves ?

can a slim 250GB HD be added to an arcade slim later on?

are there lower capacity slim HD's ?

whats the price of the 250GB HD alone (i can't find a price online)

is it possible to download patches through a computer, transfer them to the 360 via usb then run them?

thanks so much if you can clear these issues up

smchacko

If the 4GB flash memory is on the mother board I would assume so. However I'm not sure why it would matter if the 250GB has the additional 4GB or not.

Yes, 4GB of flash memory should be more than sufficient for game saves

Since the 250GB of the Slim is swappable I would assume you can still add a hard drive to the Arcade considering that's the model that's been used the entire generation and MS makes quite a bit of money from selling them. So yes, just not confirmed "officially"since the unit was just announced today.

Again, there has not been any official talk about slim hard drive sizes. Perhaps there will be a cheaper alternative in between the Arcade Kinect and 250GB Kinect , because I'm getting that's what you are hoping for. Maybe a 80-100GB for $50 that you can add on? We will find out soon I'm sure. Since I don't have a 360 at the moment either, and I know I probably would want more than 4GB but don't necessarily need 250GB, I would love to see an 80GB for $50 so I could go ahead and pre-order the Arcade/Kinect bundle. Excellent question which should be cleared up in the next couple of weeks.

....your last question, I have no idea but I am curious why you are asking that one. Is it because you won't have an online connection period in your home or where you plan on using it? Because even without the subscription to Xbox Live, you can still download patches and other things for free with the Arcade. Maybe someone else can help you there because I honestly do not know.

Let's all tone down the rhetoric. There is no need for these threads to get nasty. I think Kinect has potential, but I don't think the launch lineup is meeting that potential at all. rragnaar

Let's all tone down the rhetoric. There is no need for these threads to get nasty. I think Kinect has potential, but I don't think the launch lineup is meeting that potential at all. rragnaar

I see the other thread was locked, which is too bad.

I was trying to make a point about the Kinect interface being inherently flawed because of its lack of buttons and haptic feedback of any sort.

Someone had mentioned that "You can use a controller with Kinect", but so far, no games have been even hinted to use that control scheme. Everything we've seen is strictly voice and motion capture.

I suppose a hybrid is possible, where you hold the controller, possibly in one hand, but that sounds awkward and definitely isn't part of the "Kinect vision". Kinect's slogan is "You are the controller", not "You are the controler and you have to hold another controller awkwardly in one hand".

The pricing for Kinect is about what I would expect. I think that Microsoft hit a good price point for the new Arcade model that includes WiFi, 4GB HDD and the new thinner model. Both Kinect and the Arcade skew are directly targeting the casual enthusiasts and I think the price point is just right. One might argue about the lack of hard drive space but I doubt that the people who purchase that model will be installing games to the HDD like most of us do. They will most likely be playing directly from the discs.

I see the other thread was locked, which is too bad.

I was trying to make a point about the Kinect interface being inherently flawed because of its lack of buttons and haptic feedback of any sort.

Someone had mentioned that "You can use a controller with Kinect", but so far, no games have been even hinted to use that control scheme. Everything we've seen is strictly voice and motion capture.

I suppose a hybrid is possible, where you hold the controller, possibly in one hand, but that sounds awkward and definitely isn't part of the "Kinect vision". Kinect's slogan is "You are the controller", not "You are the controler and you have to hold another controller awkwardly in one hand".

Dire_Weasel

It was me, and it was in the opening post....

-which if you would have read it before replying-

....would have seen that's what the thread was about, how Kinect may bridge the gap between casual and hardcore games, and what the FIFA example was showing. Don't mean to come down on you so hard, but I did take some time writing that one and think it's a great topic for discussion so it was dissapointing to see no one was really reading it before replying.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure they have mentioned that you can use the controller with Kinect. Why would holding the S Controller in your hand like you always have be "awkard"?

Edit: Ironically, a day after I write that and the thread gets locked we go ahead and apparently get "confirmation" of this: Kinect will have core games this fall.

PS: Hey mods can I re-open a discussion about this now? I have a lot of informative and interesting things to say about it.

Kinect is still advertised as a "Controller-free" experience right on the front page of the 360's official site.

Core 360 games will use Kinect this fall? Sorry, which ones?

Holding an s-controller in one hand seems awkward to me, especially if you're also supposed to be dancing and jumping around like the games demoed at E3.

Kinect is still advertised as a "Controller-free" experience right on the front page of the 360's official site.

Core 360 games will use Kinect this fall? Sorry, which ones?

Holding an s-controller in one hand seems awkward to me, especially if you're also supposed to be dancing and jumping around like the games demoed at E3.

Dire_Weasel

Kinect by itself is a controller-free experience. But we are talking about the combination here which is not. And I didn't say that they would be available this fall, that was the name of the title of whoever made that thread I was linking to.

but dude....seriously.... why do you purposely bring up the most horrible way of implementing this technology while totally ignoring the best ways?

Yes there can be bad/awkward ways of doing it but there canalso be great/intuitive ways of doing it and I'm sure most developers would want to achieve the latter. Common sense no? You can hold the S controller with both hands also and still access Kinect functions. One hand dual shock control is a Move thing.

With what I am talking about you can hold it with both hands, one hand, standing up, on your couch, not hold it at all. There's a million different combinations in which you can do this, and each one can be implemented in an intuitive way that makes sense for each particular aspect of a game in combination with Kinect. Like I said, read my inital FIFA example if you really are interesting in seeing how it can work.

The points you bring up are just perfect examples of how Kinect should NOT be implemented, and guess what....it won't be done in that way, thank God.

But there is no law or rule that says Kinect must be used in this one way the entire time. Developers can do whatever they imagine with it.

I think we can agree to disagree on Kinect. You see potential there which I am cynically simply not seeing.

I'm going to have wait until some games are announced that take greater advantage of the real-time motion capture, which I've already admitted is very impressive technology. So far, the launch games do not appeal to me. I'll end with that.

[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"][QUOTE="rragnaar"]Let's all tone down the rhetoric. There is no need for these threads to get nasty. I think Kinect has potential, but I don't think the launch lineup is meeting that potential at all. rragnaar

PS: Except I would like some clarification on you locking my other thread. A post listing pricing and a thread that's trying to discuss how it works/can work should be merged together? I'm confused. Why would you want to bring that discussion in here? I don't understand.

[QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"]

I see the other thread was locked, which is too bad.

I was trying to make a point about the Kinect interface being inherently flawed because of its lack of buttons and haptic feedback of any sort.

Someone had mentioned that "You can use a controller with Kinect", but so far, no games have been even hinted to use that control scheme. Everything we've seen is strictly voice and motion capture.

I suppose a hybrid is possible, where you hold the controller, possibly in one hand, but that sounds awkward and definitely isn't part of the "Kinect vision". Kinect's slogan is "You are the controller", not "You are the controler and you have to hold another controller awkwardly in one hand".

alexwatchtower

It was me, and it was in the opening post....

-which if you would have read it before replying-

....would have seen that's what the thread was about, how Kinect may bridge the gap between casual and hardcore games, and what the FIFA example was showing. Don't mean to come down on you so hard, but I did take some time writing that one and think it's a great topic for discussion so it was dissapointing to see no one was really reading it before replying.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure they have mentioned that you can use the controller with Kinect. Why would holding the S Controller in your hand like you always have be "awkard"?

Edit: Ironically, a day after I write that and the thread gets locked we go ahead and apparently get "confirmation" of this: Kinect will have core games this fall.

PS: Hey mods can I re-open a discussion about this now? I have a lot of informative and interesting things to say about it.

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="alexwatchtower"] Agreed.

PS: Except I would like some clarification on you locking my other thread. A post listing pricing and a thread that's trying to discuss how it works/can work should be merged together? I'm confused. Why would you want to bring that discussion in here? I don't understand.

RainbowRobot

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. The problem was that there were two threads discussing the same thing.

If people want a motion system, they will buy a Wii, because the Kinect is the same price. Kinect = fail at this price.RainbowRobot

[QUOTE="RainbowRobot"]If people want a motion system, they will buy a Wii, because the Kinect is the same price. Kinect = fail at this price.CarnageHeart

I think you and I fall in that category, to a degree, seeing how we both have children that would really find Kinectimals and the other compilation of mini games to be a real treat, especially with other family members(and friends) that are the same age. Perhaps I am a bit more optimistic to the entire Kinect concept but I also understand that at this time Kinect is not something that is going to fit in my personal gaming tastes. What I don't understand is why Kinect is something that dedicated enthusiasts, such as ourselves, take as a personal slap in the face when developers announce they are going to take steps to integrate Kinect into - for lack of a better word - "hardcore" games.

I see potential with Kinect but I am also not without my reservations. I was concerned about the pricing and games(current and future) but I have to take into consideration that Kinect is just now coming to market and Microsoft is going after the same consumer as Nintendo which means there is going to be many offerings that will not appeal to me but will be applicable to my children, wife and relatives that don't play very much. Sure, I have relatives that play the Wii but Nintendo's online service is just not very good making interaction with them virtually difficult and an inconvenience.

Alexwatchtower

hey, thanks for answering those questions

So what if they are arguing? What do you think forums are for; compliments, rainbows and flowers? Let people breath.RainbowRobot

Seriously, is there anything these guys won't lock threads for; it's like walking a mindfield and is getting boring.RainbowRobot

Edit: Ironically, a day after I write that and the thread gets locked we go ahead and apparently get "confirmation" of this: Kinect will have core games this fall.

PS: Hey mods can I re-open a discussion about this now? I have a lot of informative and interesting things to say about it.

alexwatchtower

Why not post your thoughts in here? What I was suggesting was that this thread could be a sort of official Kinect thread. As you may have noticed with the Street Fighter thread, it is almost an umbrella thread for all things to do with Capcom fighting games. A thread can be about more than one thing at once, and typically the best ones around here are ones that are run by a person who is passionate about the thread and keeping it up to date with the latest info.

I wasn't trying to stifle your posts, I was trying to give you a 'one-stop-shop' for all things Kinect where you could share your thoughts and the latest news.

I won't be buying it at $150 but I think the $299 bundle is a great deal. 4gb is good amount of memory to start off with. That plus a 16gb USB device will be more than enough for a lot of people.

I've had a 360 since about 2007, game saves for 20+ games, an xbox original download, about 5 gb in DLC, and about 10 XBLA titles and I still had 2 gb free on my 20 gigger without a USB drive. With USB I've got more space than I think i'll ever fill up. The 16gb actually offers more space than a 20gb HDD, which has about 7gb that you can never access.

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[QUOTE="RainbowRobot"]Seriously, is there anything these guys won't lock threads for; it's like walking a mindfield and is getting boring.rragnaar

Edit: Ironically, a day after I write that and the thread gets locked we go ahead and apparently get "confirmation" of this: Kinect will have core games this fall.

PS: Hey mods can I re-open a discussion about this now? I have a lot of informative and interesting things to say about it.

alexwatchtower

Why not post your thoughts in here? What I was suggesting was that this thread could be a sort of official Kinect thread. As you may have noticed with the Street Fighter thread, it is almost an umbrella thread for all things to do with Capcom fighting games. A thread can be about more than one thing at once, and typically the best ones around here are ones that are run by a person who is passionate about the thread and keeping it up to date with the latest info.

I wasn't trying to stifle your posts, I was trying to give you a 'one-stop-shop' for all things Kinect where you could share your thoughts and the latest news.

And I understood your reasoning behind it, you are just doing your job. I just happened to disagree that they were the same topics. I don't see why you would want us to discuss things such as how the platform works, speculation, and what it can do for gaming in this, when we should be discussing price. Shouldn't a thread also be about staying on topic? It almost sounds like you are saying everythign about Kinect should just be in one thread.

Again, I agree with you after spending a couple of days that things are slow in this forum(8 years ago it was the busiest forum on Gamespot and I have not been on here since), and an official topic would be better for this forum, I just didn't think this one or that one could become that. I would not mind making an official topic about Kinect, but I still believe breaking "OFFICIAL" pricing news always deserved their own thread.

Anyway, if it's ok with you and no one else does it beforehand I would like to eventually create such a "official" thread on here when I have a bit of time to put it all together, and there's more official info to add.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking that that thread be re-opened. What's done is done and people were not staying on topping anyway. But the TOS says one should never re-open a topic that was closed by a moderator, and I just want to make sure that doing either an "official" thread and or re-using some of the points and info in that thread in another topic would not constitute a break of TOS and cause it to be re-closed.

PS: We can continue to discuss this in private if you wish, but I never got a response from you after your initial explanation.