Last gen games that are better than their current gen counterparts.

I was disappointed with how Ninja Gaiden fell apart. Ninja Gaiden Black might still be the best action sword fighting game of all time, the only other I could think of would be Bayonetta. Anyway, Ninja Gaiden 2 was a completely unbalanced mess that frequently strung out less content in ways that felt counter intuitive to the strengths of the game, ala having ranged only fights in a game where the close quarters combat was really great, and a story that was not only bad but completely in your face. 

Resident Evil 4 poops on anything with the RE name these days.

splinter cell double agent, holy hell the one on xbox was a completely different and superior game to the 360 version. it actually felt like a sequel to chaos theory vs the downgrade and emphasis on combat. theres a few other but i cant think of them right now

splinter cell double agent, holy hell the one on xbox was a completely different and superior game to the 360 version. it actually felt like a sequel to chaos theory vs the downgrade and emphasis on combat. theres a few other but i cant think of them right now

Djmaster214

Way too many list. WAYYY too many. 

The only current generation game that's better than its last generation counterpart that I can think of is Shin Megami Tensei IV, which is probably the best RPG Atlus has ever put out.

The Resident Evil and Splinter Cell series's obvioulsy, but also San Andreas.

san andreas > gta 4

The Resident Evil and Splinter Cell series's obvioulsy, but also San Andreas.

RageQuitter69

san andreas > gta 4

drekula2

yes this one.

Very surprised I'm the first to name Devil May Cry, namely DMC3, for painfully obvious reasons.

In some cases, that's freaking obvious.

For example...

The following Final Fantasy games...

FFI, FFII, FFIII, FFIV, FFV, FFVI, FFVII, FFIX, and FFX > FFVIII, FFXI, FFXII, FFXIII and its sequels.

Enough said.

I would WRPG as a whole. Lately they been removing the role playing from them and replaying with interactive story and pretending to be the character through moral and dialog picks.

I would WRPG as a whole. Lately they been removing the role playing from them and replaying with interactive story and pretending to be the character through moral and dialog picks.

wiouds

I would WRPG as a whole. Lately they been removing the role playing from them and replaying with interactive story and pretending to be the character through moral and dialog picks.

wiouds

Awesome post on so many levels.

[QUOTE="wiouds"]

I would WRPG as a whole. Lately they been removing the role playing from them and replaying with interactive story and pretending to be the character through moral and dialog picks.

El_Zo1212o

He's a joke account. But he's semi-right: WRPG dialogues are worse. They went from this

To this:

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="wiouds"]

I would WRPG as a whole. Lately they been removing the role playing from them and replaying with interactive story and pretending to be the character through moral and dialog picks.

ReddestSkies

He's a joke account. But he's semi-right: WRPG dialogues are worse. They went from this

To this:

Need a console example. Generations are irrelevant to PC gaming.El_Zo1212o

The dumbing down of the WRPG genre coincides with its arrival on consoles. It's essentially been stagnating since then, dialogue-wise for the most part. A before/after pic comparison can only be made with games that came out before the Xbox 1.

[QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] What was a WRPG last gen?El_Zo1212o

He's a joke account. But he's semi-right: WRPG dialogues are worse. They went from this

To this:

I measure PC games using the generation system as well. After is no official ruling for what a gaming generation encapsulates.

In the KotoR I had option to control my characters role within a class. The problem is that I lost that in ME2. ME2 had only two choices that affect your characters role and one was very limited.

My problem is that this gen seems to push the moral and dialog picks while taking out how I can role play my character. You can have a good RPG even if the main character is premade and there are not dialog or moral picks. Many new WRPG seem to be taking out a large amount of out of combat skill that does not about chatting with a NPC, crafting, or unlocking.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="ReddestSkies"]

He's a joke account. But he's semi-right: WRPG dialogues are worse. They went from this

 

To this:

 

wiouds

I measure PC games using the generation system as well. After is no official ruling for what a gaming generation encapsulates.

In the KotoR I had option to control my characters role within a class. The problem is that I lost that in ME2. ME2 had only two choices that affect your characters role and one was very limited.

My problem is that this gen seems to push the moral and dialog picks while taking out how I can role play my character. You can have a good RPG even if the main character is premade and there are not dialog or moral picks. Many new WRPG seem to be taking out a large amount of out of combat skill that does not about chatting with a NPC, crafting, or unlocking.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Need a console example. Generations are irrelevant to PC gaming.ReddestSkies

The dumbing down of the WRPG genre coincides with its arrival on consoles. It's essentially been stagnating since then, dialogue-wise for the most part. A before/after pic comparison can only be made with games that came out before the Xbox 1.

[QUOTE="wiouds"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Need a console example. Generations are irrelevant to PC gaming.El_Zo1212o

I measure PC games using the generation system as well. After is no official ruling for what a gaming generation encapsulates.

In the KotoR I had option to control my characters role within a class. The problem is that I lost that in ME2. ME2 had only two choices that affect your characters role and one was very limited.

My problem is that this gen seems to push the moral and dialog picks while taking out how I can role play my character. You can have a good RPG even if the main character is premade and there are not dialog or moral picks. Many new WRPG seem to be taking out a large amount of out of combat skill that does not about chatting with a NPC, crafting, or unlocking.

That is just an example. I blame the game developer. It not the only games that happen to. I am just saying as it seems that WRPG have gotten worse this gen and I do add PC game into the generation talks. As I said before My problem is that many WRPG seem to relay on pretending the character while  removing how you can role play your character.

Splinter cell conviction was a great game. Just becaue it was different than the older games doesn't mean it wasn't a great game, just like Dead Space 1 vs. Dead Space 2. I also wouldn't say that DMC is a good example, just cause DMC 3 may have been the best doesn't mean 4 and "5" weren't really good games. Both critic and consumer (for the most part) enjoyed those games.

As for the topic, Resident Evil is the only one I can think of. Surprised no one said Halo.

• Resident Evil Remake
• Resident Evil 4
• Metroid Prime
• Metroid Prime 2
• Prince of Persia Sands of Time
• Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
• Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
• Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
• Battlefield 2 and 2142
• Rainbow Six Raven Shield
• Devil May Cry 3
• Silent Hill 2 and 3
• Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
• Fire Emblem Path of Radiance

Honestly a lot of games from last gen had weaker successors.

• Resident Evil Remake
• Resident Evil 4
• Metroid Prime
• Metroid Prime 2
• Prince of Persia Sands of Time
• Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
• Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
• Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
• Battlefield 2 and 2142
• Rainbow Six Raven Shield
• Devil May Cry 3
• Silent Hill 2 and 3
• Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
• Fire Emblem Path of Radiance

Honestly a lot of games from last gen had weaker successors.

jg4xchamp

Splinter cell conviction was a great game. Just becaue it was different than the older games doesn't mean it wasn't a great game, just like Dead Space 1 vs. Dead Space 2. I also wouldn't say that DMC is a good example, just cause DMC 3 may have been the best doesn't mean 4 and "5" weren't really good games. Both critic and consumer (for the most part) enjoyed those games.

As for the topic, Resident Evil is the only one I can think of. Surprised no one said Halo.

firefox59

The thing is, people cannot and will not accept change. They prefer the older styles to their favorite franchises. Me, on the other hand, I try to find at least ONE GOOD THING about the next game in itself while playing it, but even that one redeeming quality won't save it fully. Splinter Cell Conviction was the first game I played in the franchise and immediately fell in love with it. People, since then, on the boards, have told me to play the older games. I don't know if I ever will...I even tried Double Agent and I couldn't get into it as much as I wanted to, which leads me to my next point - even if the older games may be better for some people, it may not be better for other folks like me.

Splinter cell conviction was a great game. Just becaue it was different than the older games doesn't mean it wasn't a great game, just like Dead Space 1 vs. Dead Space 2. I also wouldn't say that DMC is a good example, just cause DMC 3 may have been the best doesn't mean 4 and "5" weren't really good games. Both critic and consumer (for the most part) enjoyed those games.

 

As for the topic, Resident Evil is the only one I can think of. Surprised no one said Halo.

firefox59

Silent Hill, Splinter Cell, Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, Alien versus Predator, Ninja Gaiden, Final Fantasy, etc etc.

[QUOTE="firefox59"]

Splinter cell conviction was a great game. Just becaue it was different than the older games doesn't mean it wasn't a great game, just like Dead Space 1 vs. Dead Space 2. I also wouldn't say that DMC is a good example, just cause DMC 3 may have been the best doesn't mean 4 and "5" weren't really good games. Both critic and consumer (for the most part) enjoyed those games.

As for the topic, Resident Evil is the only one I can think of. Surprised no one said Halo.

Metamania

The thing is, people cannot and will not accept change. They prefer the older styles to their favorite franchises. Me, on the other hand, I try to find at least ONE GOOD THING about the next game in itself while playing it, but even that one redeeming quality won't save it fully. Splinter Cell Conviction was the first game I played in the franchise and immediately fell in love with it. People, since then, on the boards, have told me to play the older games. I don't know if I ever will...I even tried Double Agent and I couldn't get into it as much as I wanted to, which leads me to my next point - even if the older games may be better for some people, it may not be better for other folks like me.

[QUOTE="firefox59"]

Splinter cell conviction was a great game. Just becaue it was different than the older games doesn't mean it wasn't a great game, just like Dead Space 1 vs. Dead Space 2. I also wouldn't say that DMC is a good example, just cause DMC 3 may have been the best doesn't mean 4 and "5" weren't really good games. Both critic and consumer (for the most part) enjoyed those games.

 

As for the topic, Resident Evil is the only one I can think of. Surprised no one said Halo.

RageQuitter69

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

• Resident Evil Remake
• Resident Evil 4
• Metroid Prime
• Metroid Prime 2
• Prince of Persia Sands of Time
• Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
• Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
• Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
• Battlefield 2 and 2142
• Rainbow Six Raven Shield
• Devil May Cry 3
• Silent Hill 2 and 3
• Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
• Fire Emblem Path of Radiance

Honestly a lot of games from last gen had weaker successors.

El_Zo1212o

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

• Resident Evil Remake
• Resident Evil 4
• Metroid Prime
• Metroid Prime 2
• Prince of Persia Sands of Time
• Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
• Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
• Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
• Battlefield 2 and 2142
• Rainbow Six Raven Shield
• Devil May Cry 3
• Silent Hill 2 and 3
• Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
• Fire Emblem Path of Radiance

Honestly a lot of games from last gen had weaker successors.

jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="RageQuitter69"][QUOTE="firefox59"]

Splinter cell conviction was a great game. Just becaue it was different than the older games doesn't mean it wasn't a great game, just like Dead Space 1 vs. Dead Space 2. I also wouldn't say that DMC is a good example, just cause DMC 3 may have been the best doesn't mean 4 and "5" weren't really good games. Both critic and consumer (for the most part) enjoyed those games.

 

As for the topic, Resident Evil is the only one I can think of. Surprised no one said Halo.

firefox59

If Conviction was released for a different series other than the Splinter Cell series, then opinions would be different, unlike Resident Evil 5, which is just garbage what ever way you look at it. You said there were plenty of great stealth games this gen, list them all then?

[QUOTE="firefox59"][QUOTE="RageQuitter69"] The people who think that Splinter Cell Crapviction is great do not understand, the developers turned a stealth series into a third person shooter series and now the stealth genre is dying.RageQuitter69

If Conviction was released for a different series other than the Splinter Cell series, then opinions would be different, unlike Resident Evil 5, which is just garbage what ever way you look at it. You said there were plenty of great stealth games this gen, list them all then?

[QUOTE="firefox59"]

Splinter cell conviction was a great game. Just becaue it was different than the older games doesn't mean it wasn't a great game, just like Dead Space 1 vs. Dead Space 2. I also wouldn't say that DMC is a good example, just cause DMC 3 may have been the best doesn't mean 4 and "5" weren't really good games. Both critic and consumer (for the most part) enjoyed those games.

As for the topic, Resident Evil is the only one I can think of. Surprised no one said Halo.

RageQuitter69

I've played every Splinter Cell and Conviction is tied for my favorite, the other being Chaos Theory.

The Deniable Ops portion of Conviction is actually one of the best stealth experiences ever made, period.

san andreas > gta 4

drekula2

Final Fantasy X, X-2 and XII > Final Fantasy XIII

God of War II > God of War: Ascension

[QUOTE="firefox59"]

Splinter cell conviction was a great game. Just becaue it was different than the older games doesn't mean it wasn't a great game, just like Dead Space 1 vs. Dead Space 2. I also wouldn't say that DMC is a good example, just cause DMC 3 may have been the best doesn't mean 4 and "5" weren't really good games. Both critic and consumer (for the most part) enjoyed those games.

As for the topic, Resident Evil is the only one I can think of. Surprised no one said Halo.

RageQuitter69

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up a second.

You are saying that Conviction is the cause of the "stealth genre dying" Since WHEN? You make it sound like once Conviction turned into what you called a "third-person shooter" series, the stealth genre just withered and died so fast.

Such BS. If you aren't into Conviction whatsoever, there are PLENTY of other stealth games to keep you occupied out there. Mark Of The Ninja, the Assassin's Creed series, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, the Metal Gear Solid series, and so on. Can you explain how in the unholy f*** has the stealth genre "died" when there are PLENTY of stealth games out there to be discovered and played? You are simply, IMO and WADR, a bit too narrow-minded and have tunnel vision about the whole subject. If I were you,l I'd wake up and play what else is out there instead of complaining about a dead horse.

Grammaton-Cleric is correct - the Deniale Ops campaign, in Conviction, is one of the best stealth experiences to offer and the campaign in itself also offers lots and lots of stealth. There are moments where you are forced to kill as part of the storyline, but I've watched Youtube vidoes of players ghosting through all the missions without having to touch a single enemy. Do you still call that a "TPS"? I don't think so. You only call it a TPS because you played it to the point of where you MAKE IT LIKE ONE. That was a choice implemented by the developer and allowed you to use it as your will. Splinter Cell Conviction, by all means, is a stealth game. You just have to not see it as a TPS and play it without killing and I'll also argue that you can still kill people without ever being detected. IMO, that also counts as stealth as well.

Quite frankly, this is a dying issue that needs to let go in the end. All of us will simply have to agree to disagree and move on. Either you like the game or you don't. It's really simple as that. So go ahead, continue to bitch and cry about the series. I'll be moving with Blacklist and maybe someday, I'll definitely go back and play the rest of the series once I find the means and the time for it. Maybe then I can see where you are coming from at that point in time, but until then, since you hate Conviction with the utmost passion, stay away from it and play other stealth games that have that element of stealth that you prefer, like Mark Of The Ninja....which by the way is an EXCELLENT game.

Not just last gen. Even current gen games from 2005 - 2007 play better than their current updates. Devs have streamlined and dumbed down a lot of games or tried to hard for realism over the past 5 years. I know Bioshock is current gen, but after playing through Infinite, I was super disappointed with how linear and dumbed down the gameplay mechanics were.Uncharted 2 compared to Uncharted 3 is another good example of utter disappointment.

Games like Mass Effect 2 compared to Mass Effect 3, ending drama aside. Sure they improved the core gameplay but they added unnecessary 'realistic' features like a weight limit that deters from just picking your guns and having fun. San Andreas compared to GTA 4 is an example of fixing things that didn't need fixing and adding 'realism' that takes away from the fu factor..

I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually preferred the over-the-top nature of Red Dead Revolver to Red Dead Redemption.

The Prince of Persia Sands of Time trilogy is better than The Forgotten Sands.

San Andreas is better than GTA IV.

Splinter Cell games used to be a lot better with their stealth.

• Spiderman 2
• Ratchet and Clank 2
• Ratchet and Clank 3

Yeah, pretty much.

Many games nowadays are simplified which ended up ruining them, IMO.

[QUOTE="firefox59"]

Splinter cell conviction was a great game. Just becaue it was different than the older games doesn't mean it wasn't a great game, just like Dead Space 1 vs. Dead Space 2. I also wouldn't say that DMC is a good example, just cause DMC 3 may have been the best doesn't mean 4 and "5" weren't really good games. Both critic and consumer (for the most part) enjoyed those games.

 

As for the topic, Resident Evil is the only one I can think of. Surprised no one said Halo.

Metamania

The thing is, people cannot and will not accept change. They prefer the older styles to their favorite franchises. Me, on the other hand, I try to find at least ONE GOOD THING about the next game in itself while playing it, but even that one redeeming quality won't save it fully. Splinter Cell Conviction was the first game I played in the franchise and immediately fell in love with it. People, since then, on the boards, have told me to play the older games. I don't know if I ever will...I even tried Double Agent and I couldn't get into it as much as I wanted to, which leads me to my next point - even if the older games may be better for some people, it may not be better for other folks like me.